0:00:20 > 0:00:21Good morning.
0:00:21 > 0:00:23One of the real problems with Brexit is that it
0:00:23 > 0:00:26stifles debate about so much else - not enough these days
0:00:26 > 0:00:28on health, taxes, inequality, defence and the rest.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31Well, today we're going to focus on an issue which is coming
0:00:31 > 0:00:33up again and again all over this morning's papers -
0:00:33 > 0:00:41the state of our schools, and the debt burden on students.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50Damian Hinds may not be a household name -
0:00:50 > 0:00:55except possibly around his own kitchen table - but he's the new
0:00:55 > 0:00:59Education Secretary in charge of English schools and universities.
0:00:59 > 0:01:03A big job, lots of questions - first TV interview.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06And, from Leeds, where there's a big Labour summit going on,
0:01:06 > 0:01:09the Shadow Education Secretary Angela Rayner,
0:01:09 > 0:01:14like Hinds, spoken of by some as a future leader.
0:01:14 > 0:01:16What, no Brexit?
0:01:16 > 0:01:19You know us better than that.
0:01:19 > 0:01:22Guy Verhofstadt is the European Parliament's main man on the talks
0:01:22 > 0:01:28and he's got some blood-curdling warnings for the British side.
0:01:28 > 0:01:30And Jeremy Irons has been telling me why his current
0:01:30 > 0:01:36stage role is a warning to all successful actors.
0:01:36 > 0:01:40There is an awful lot of rubbish about that we are asked to do which
0:01:40 > 0:01:49pays us enormous amounts of money, and it's very easy to opt for that.
0:01:50 > 0:01:50And to review this morning's news, Joanna Cherry, the SNP's
0:01:50 > 0:01:52And to review this morning's news, Joanna Cherry, the SNP's
0:01:52 > 0:01:52Home Affairs spokeswoman in Westminster and Camilla Tominey,
0:01:52 > 0:01:55Home Affairs spokeswoman in Westminster and Camilla Tominey,
0:01:59 > 0:02:01political editor of the Sunday Express.
0:02:01 > 0:02:02All that and more coming up soon.
0:02:02 > 0:02:03First, the news with Chris Mason.
0:02:03 > 0:02:04First, the news with Chris Mason.
0:02:04 > 0:02:05Good morning.
0:02:05 > 0:02:07President Trump has criticised the FBI for missing the signals
0:02:07 > 0:02:08about Wednesday's school shooting.
0:02:08 > 0:02:12In a tweet, he said the agency was spending too much time trying
0:02:12 > 0:02:13to prove his presidential campaign colluded with Russia.
0:02:13 > 0:02:16Survivors of the Florida shooting, in which 17 people died,
0:02:16 > 0:02:20have taken part in a rally calling for tighter gun controls.
0:02:20 > 0:02:24The husband of the murdered MP Jo Cox has resigned from two
0:02:24 > 0:02:26charities he set up in her memory after allegations of sexual
0:02:26 > 0:02:29harassment were made public.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32Mr Cox denies assaulting a woman at Harvard University in 2015,
0:02:32 > 0:02:34but admits to "inappropriate" behaviour while working
0:02:34 > 0:02:37for Save The Children.
0:02:37 > 0:02:41He has left posts at More In Common and the Jo Cox Foundation
0:02:41 > 0:02:47after the Mail On Sunday published the claims.
0:02:47 > 0:02:49The new Education Secretary says higher Government subsidies
0:02:49 > 0:02:51could help fund more expensive degree courses such as science
0:02:51 > 0:02:53and engineering, allowing universities to charge less
0:02:53 > 0:02:55for humanities courses.
0:02:55 > 0:02:58Damian Hinds said the idea would be included in a review
0:02:58 > 0:03:01of university funding.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04It's likely the review will also consider cutting or freezing tuition
0:03:04 > 0:03:07fees, as well as at reducing interest rates on loan repayments.
0:03:07 > 0:03:11In a report published today, the Commons Treasury Committee
0:03:11 > 0:03:19called the interest rates on loans "punitive" and "unjustifiable".
0:03:19 > 0:03:22It's the Baftas tonight, and nearly 200 British stars have launched
0:03:22 > 0:03:25a fund to help end harassment and abuse of women in the workplace.
0:03:25 > 0:03:28Stars attending the ceremony are also pledging to wear black
0:03:28 > 0:03:29in support of the campaign.
0:03:29 > 0:03:31Kate Winslet, Emma Thompson and Dame Kristin Scott Thomas,
0:03:31 > 0:03:34are among those who donated to the fund.
0:03:34 > 0:03:35Emma Watson gave £1 million.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38Keira Knightley and Tom Hiddleston have each given £10,000.
0:03:38 > 0:03:39Keira Knightley and Tom Hiddleston have each given £10,000.
0:03:39 > 0:03:45Keira Knightley and Tom Hiddleston have each given £10,000.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48At the Winter Olympics in South Korea, Britain's James Woods
0:03:48 > 0:03:50narrowly missed out on a medal in the men's ski
0:03:50 > 0:03:53slopestyle this morning.
0:03:53 > 0:03:56Team GB is celebrating its most successful day at a Winter Games,
0:03:56 > 0:03:59with three medals for female athletes.
0:03:59 > 0:04:02Lizzy Yarnold retained her gold medal from 2014 in the skeleton,
0:04:02 > 0:04:07and there were bronzes for her team-mate Laura Deas and
0:04:07 > 0:04:08the skier Izzy Atkin.
0:04:08 > 0:04:11And if you're wondering how our BBC commentary team keep their composure
0:04:11 > 0:04:13on days like yesterday, the answer is...
0:04:13 > 0:04:16..they don't.
0:04:16 > 0:04:19Yarnold wins gold again!
0:04:19 > 0:04:20Yes!
0:04:20 > 0:04:22(EXCITED SHOUTING).
0:04:22 > 0:04:30Laura Deas has won bronze as well!
0:04:32 > 0:04:37Not quite the very essence of call, calm and collected! I think a chair
0:04:37 > 0:04:38went flying at one stage!
0:04:38 > 0:04:43That's all from me.
0:04:43 > 0:04:45The next news on BBC One is at 12pm.
0:04:45 > 0:04:46Back to you, Andrew.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49Thank you.
0:04:49 > 0:04:53And there is Lizzy Yarnold on the front pages, it is the time of year
0:04:53 > 0:04:57we all pretend to understand what is going on at the Winter Olympics. A
0:04:57 > 0:05:02great achievement by her. Also the story about Jeremy Corbyn and the
0:05:02 > 0:05:06Czech agent, this has been comprehensively denied as lies and
0:05:06 > 0:05:10rubbish by all of the politicians concerned and it does seem, reading
0:05:10 > 0:05:14through it, fairly thin. The Sunday Times there has got Carey Mulligan,
0:05:14 > 0:05:17one of the actors campaigning against sexual harassment in the
0:05:17 > 0:05:30workplace but also a very, very important
0:05:36 > 0:05:38interview we will talk more about with Damian Hinds, he is on the
0:05:38 > 0:05:40programme talking about tuition fees, grammar schools, faith and
0:05:40 > 0:05:43much more in the education system. We have the political editor of the
0:05:43 > 0:05:45Sunday express here and her story about Theresa May's speech in
0:05:45 > 0:05:47Munich, Brexit pledge, no going back. We will be talking more about
0:05:47 > 0:05:50that. There is Lizzy Yarnold again. The Observer has a different kind of
0:05:50 > 0:05:52story, Lizzy Yarnold again but also shock figures on the dire state of
0:05:52 > 0:05:54Britain's prisons, they say overcrowded, overfunded, drug
0:05:54 > 0:05:59infested and violent, R Britton's rhythms on the edge? And finally the
0:05:59 > 0:06:04Mail on Sunday interview there with Jo Cox's widower, a very sad story
0:06:04 > 0:06:08given what that man has gone through, whatever else it is it is a
0:06:08 > 0:06:13sad story for him. Let's turn to did a's papers and start with Theresa
0:06:13 > 0:06:17May add to her speech in Munich? Interesting speech in Munich because
0:06:17 > 0:06:22it was a game of two Haas, she had preprepared what she was calling the
0:06:22 > 0:06:26first of this road map to Brexit, laying out what Britain would like
0:06:26 > 0:06:32to collaborate
0:06:32 > 0:06:34to collaborate with and what we want to Divergent with in Europe... And I
0:06:34 > 0:06:37should say, Camilla, you were there in the room? Snowy Munich, got home
0:06:37 > 0:06:39later than planned because the heavens opened and it snowed heavily
0:06:39 > 0:06:43but I was there, took a photograph of Christine Lagarde from the
0:06:43 > 0:06:47balcony in snub to the speech and walked out halfway through, she
0:06:47 > 0:06:51probably did not like what she was hearing. Neither did some of the
0:06:51 > 0:06:55delegates in the crowd so our splash is not only Mrs May's vision for our
0:06:55 > 0:06:58security arrangements in the future but also the fact she had to combat
0:06:58 > 0:07:02a number of quite hostile questions from delegate essentially saying, if
0:07:02 > 0:07:07you want
0:07:07 > 0:07:10you want such a deep and special partnership with us and we are so
0:07:10 > 0:07:13great, why have you left in the first place? Another delegate asking
0:07:13 > 0:07:15why they did not have another second referendum because in Europe when
0:07:15 > 0:07:18there were disagreements over the constitution, make them vote again.
0:07:18 > 0:07:22She was unequivocal and quite state from unlike in her response in
0:07:22 > 0:07:25saying, no, we don't keep on voting under Whig at the answer that we
0:07:25 > 0:07:31want, there will be no second referendum, we are leaving the ECJ,
0:07:31 > 0:07:34so, yes, I think probably Manna from Heaven for the Brexiteers of the
0:07:34 > 0:07:40party.You were watching, Nicola Sturgeon was presumably watching on
0:07:40 > 0:07:45a television set, Joanna?Indeed, the first Minister said that Theresa
0:07:45 > 0:07:48May put party before country when it comes to national security in an
0:07:48 > 0:07:52interview with the Sunday Herald in Scotland. She is absolutely right
0:07:52 > 0:07:56about that. Probably why Christine Lagarde left, or got bored with the
0:07:56 > 0:08:00speech, because there was absolutely no detail, all aspirational stuff
0:08:00 > 0:08:03from Theresa May but the time has come for detail to be given on how
0:08:03 > 0:08:08we are to have this important, lasting relationship on security. It
0:08:08 > 0:08:14is that Boris
0:08:24 > 0:08:26Johnson's speech this week, a complete lack of any detail and any
0:08:26 > 0:08:29engagement with how we are going to move forward, and interestingly no
0:08:29 > 0:08:31reference whatsoever to these economic assessments that I and
0:08:31 > 0:08:33other MPs have seen which very much tally with the picture painted by
0:08:33 > 0:08:35the Scottish Government in a document they published last
0:08:35 > 0:08:38month...Job losses?Brexit in any scenario means a massive hit in GDP
0:08:38 > 0:08:40across the UK and job losses.We will get more details soon because
0:08:40 > 0:08:44there is this great Chequers summit and we promised they will come out
0:08:44 > 0:08:47and tell us almost everything, not quite everything?They should do but
0:08:47 > 0:08:51equally when you look at Boris he was there to create a vision and
0:08:51 > 0:08:55often he creates the collar around it and not necessarily the details.
0:08:55 > 0:08:59The time for vision has passed, it is the time for detail now. We have
0:08:59 > 0:09:09to reach a
0:09:09 > 0:09:11to reach a deal by October, we have to set out our store for the
0:09:11 > 0:09:14parameters of the deal in March, April, and none of the speeches we
0:09:14 > 0:09:17have had so far have put any meat on the bones whatsoever.Let's do some
0:09:17 > 0:09:20more politics, Henry Bolton was on the show last week, I said to him,
0:09:20 > 0:09:22are you still in love with your girlfriend, he basically said he
0:09:22 > 0:09:25was, I thought, that is probably over for him as Ukip leader, and so
0:09:25 > 0:09:30it has proved, he has been Ukippered, according to the Mail On
0:09:30 > 0:09:36Sunday.They have become a party of irrelevance. The Conservative party
0:09:36 > 0:09:40is determined to take Britain over the cliff edges of the problem for
0:09:40 > 0:09:45Ukip if they are no longer relevant. Let's turn out to Damian Hinds Comey
0:09:45 > 0:09:48is relevant, he is Education Secretary and is given an
0:09:48 > 0:09:52interesting interview to the Sunday Times, not as interesting as the a
0:09:52 > 0:09:56few -- the interview he will shortly get on that chair!Just a rehearsal
0:09:56 > 0:10:00for your interview, Andrew! He is pointing at things need to change
0:10:00 > 0:10:03with tuition fees and university education on the whole, some
0:10:03 > 0:10:07interesting proposals which will be music to the ears of parents and
0:10:07 > 0:10:10grandparents who are perhaps struggling with the idea of fees and
0:10:10 > 0:10:14how much it costs to stand at child University, and the notion that
0:10:14 > 0:10:17there is an idea that university students spend too much time there,
0:10:17 > 0:10:26people doing an hour a
0:10:26 > 0:10:28people doing an hour a week of classes could perhaps condense it
0:10:28 > 0:10:30into a couple of years, so he is talking about sandwich courses,
0:10:30 > 0:10:32commuter causes whereby children live at home and commute locally to
0:10:32 > 0:10:35a university to study. He is also taking on this mantle that Theresa
0:10:35 > 0:10:39May introduced during the election campaign of an alternative to
0:10:39 > 0:10:43university and saying that children should be encouraged where necessary
0:10:43 > 0:10:47to take technical education that is not necessarily a degree...This
0:10:47 > 0:10:50country is resistant to that kind of vocational training having the
0:10:50 > 0:10:54status it has on the continent, Germany, Holland and other Places?
0:10:54 > 0:10:59It is a problem because parents are thinking children must go to
0:10:59 > 0:11:01university otherwise they will fail in life, and if there is an
0:11:01 > 0:11:04alternative narrative and alternative training with
0:11:04 > 0:11:09comparative esteem, that is a good thing. An interesting part of the
0:11:09 > 0:11:13piece is that he is making his approach teacher centric, he does
0:11:13 > 0:11:18not want to anger the teaching unions, which has not been easy for
0:11:18 > 0:11:21previous Conservative Education Secretary.How different is the
0:11:21 > 0:11:25debate in Scotland, Joanna?Totally different, what Damian Hinds is
0:11:25 > 0:11:28coming up against is the reality that students league university in
0:11:28 > 0:11:33England with a massive debt burden, facing a house crisis and stagnant
0:11:33 > 0:11:37wages under the Tories. In Scotland we don't have university tuition
0:11:37 > 0:11:47fees, students do not base that, they leave
0:11:47 > 0:11:49they leave university with a degree without huge debt, the SNP
0:11:49 > 0:11:51Government has built more affordable housing, over 30,000 affordable
0:11:51 > 0:11:53homes, more to be built in the future, and my colleagues are
0:11:53 > 0:11:55pushing for a living wage across Scotland as well.Let's turn to
0:11:55 > 0:12:01foreign affairs and President Donald Trump and this extraordinary
0:12:01 > 0:12:05investigation by special prosecutor Robert Mueller, he has now indicted
0:12:05 > 0:12:09a series of well-connected Russians as being involved and overnight, of
0:12:09 > 0:12:15course, sitting in the Oval Office bedroom, he has been tweeting again.
0:12:15 > 0:12:20Naturally, yes, as he consumes a big Mac and some diet Coke! He has been
0:12:20 > 0:12:23tweeting and has basically said, let's keep in mind that he has
0:12:23 > 0:12:28courted a lot of criticism this week because of his Republican alliances
0:12:28 > 0:12:33with the gun lobby, he has blamed the FBI for missing signals from the
0:12:33 > 0:12:37Florida gun shooting last week, saying, this is not acceptable, they
0:12:37 > 0:12:42are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the
0:12:42 > 0:12:45current campaign, there is no pollution, get back to the basics
0:12:45 > 0:12:49and make us all proud. There may well be genuine criticism
0:12:49 > 0:12:52in the FBI not taking seriously complaints about this boy from the
0:12:52 > 0:12:56past, classmates were being sent WhatsApp messages suggesting he
0:12:56 > 0:12:59wanted to kill people, we were discussing this backstage, Joanna,
0:12:59 > 0:13:02saying there must be lots of troubled youngsters in America
0:13:02 > 0:13:11making
0:13:18 > 0:13:21such claims about guns, but to bring the FBI into it in this regard and
0:13:21 > 0:13:24openly criticise them...If there is blatant political advantage, he is
0:13:24 > 0:13:25using the senseless murder of innocent young people do his own
0:13:25 > 0:13:28political advantage to try to diss the FBI because he does not like
0:13:28 > 0:13:30their investigation. There is a story here in the Sunday Mirror that
0:13:30 > 0:13:33just 47 miles from the Florida massacred there is a huge gun show
0:13:33 > 0:13:35going on over the weekend offering free entry to children. There are
0:13:35 > 0:13:37troubled teenagers the world over but the difference is that in
0:13:37 > 0:13:40America they can get hold of as much guns and ammunition as they want.
0:13:40 > 0:13:45That is what Trump should focus on. What is he going to do about that?
0:13:45 > 0:13:46Am I right in saying
0:13:46 > 0:13:47What is he going to do about that? Am I right in saying there were
0:13:47 > 0:13:50suggestions this kid was mentally disturbed and one of the changes
0:13:50 > 0:13:53that the administration in America has made is to make it easier for
0:13:53 > 0:13:58people with those mental histories to get guns?Which is insane. I
0:13:58 > 0:14:02think Brits find it in saying you could walk into a shop and buy a
0:14:02 > 0:14:05semiautomatic weapon anyway. Obviously Trump was rightly
0:14:05 > 0:14:08condemned last week for talking about mental health issues but not
0:14:08 > 0:14:12seemingly making the correlation between the fact that at the end of
0:14:12 > 0:14:17the day Republican campaign is largely propped up by the NRA.This
0:14:17 > 0:14:20tweet is just so typical of Trump, no statesman-like behaviour
0:14:20 > 0:14:25whatsoever.Can we quickly point out the Oxfam UN story is carrying on
0:14:25 > 0:14:29all the way through today's papers? A colleague of mine has pointed out
0:14:29 > 0:14:34the fact that the UN now is facing its own abuse scandal, apparently
0:14:34 > 0:14:38612 outgoing cases in the last year alone, incidents involving 201I
0:14:38 > 0:14:42think complaints of abuse against children with seven claiming their
0:14:42 > 0:14:45abuser has left them pregnant. The tip of the iceberg is a phrase that
0:14:45 > 0:14:51springs to mind.And quickly, the supersonic teetering?This is
0:14:51 > 0:14:55fantastic, three medals for the UK yesterday, all young women
0:14:55 > 0:14:58participating in what I consider to be absolutely terrifying sport! But
0:14:58 > 0:15:02shining in them and we can only applaud them, it is great for women
0:15:02 > 0:15:06in sport to see the medals coming from female athletes.Very nice to
0:15:06 > 0:15:13end on a good story, thank you both very much indeed.
0:15:13 > 0:15:15As we've been hearing, the indictment of a group
0:15:15 > 0:15:17of well-connected Russians for attempting to subvert the US
0:15:17 > 0:15:18Presidential Election, takes President Trump
0:15:18 > 0:15:19into new territory.
0:15:19 > 0:15:21I'm joined now by somebody who has spent many years
0:15:21 > 0:15:24following this story - Luke Harding, the Guardian's former
0:15:24 > 0:15:26Russia correspondent and author of "Collusion: How Russia Helped
0:15:26 > 0:15:28Donald Trump Win The White House."
0:15:28 > 0:15:35Do we actually know that Russia helped Donald Trump to win the White
0:15:35 > 0:15:38I think after Friday we can be pretty certain matters the case.
0:15:38 > 0:15:43What the indictment revealed was a full-blown espionage operation
0:15:43 > 0:15:47involving Russian operatives going to America, paying operatives to
0:15:47 > 0:15:52dress up as Hillary Clinton. Extraordinary stuff but there are
0:15:52 > 0:15:56two defences that Donald Trump has been mounting yesterday and today.
0:15:56 > 0:15:59One is that this happened well before he announced he was going to
0:15:59 > 0:16:04run for the presidency, Virgo it can't really be about him, and
0:16:04 > 0:16:07secondly that Mueller has found no evidence that had actually changed
0:16:07 > 0:16:12the election resultedThe time I doesn't run in Donald Trump's favour
0:16:12 > 0:16:16because bearing in mind his first visitors every Moscow was back in
0:16:16 > 0:16:221987 and he has been a target/ off cultivation and seen as somebody who
0:16:22 > 0:16:27could disrupt the political system and damaging delegitimise...They
0:16:27 > 0:16:32spotted early on as a provocative figure in American politics?Rehab a
0:16:32 > 0:16:36kind of characteristics they were interested in. They were looking for
0:16:36 > 0:16:40people who were vain, ambitious, narcissistic and contains all of
0:16:40 > 0:16:43those boxes.They could no have known he was going to run for
0:16:43 > 0:16:48president or was it just a lucky guess?They saw him as a candidate
0:16:48 > 0:16:53of chaos, and I think they thought that Hillary Clinton would win but
0:16:53 > 0:16:56it would undermine her and be a stone in her shoe although it
0:16:56 > 0:17:00through the presidency and, of course, he got across the line and
0:17:00 > 0:17:04he refuses to acknowledge the role Russia has played. Leases it is a
0:17:04 > 0:17:08hoax, fake news, Democrats, and what he hasn't acknowledged even now is
0:17:08 > 0:17:13that this is a major attack on American democracy.Mueller has not
0:17:13 > 0:17:18yet proved collusion, he has not proved that the Trump campaign was
0:17:18 > 0:17:21actively in knowingly involved in this. Can you update us on why we
0:17:21 > 0:17:25are going amiss complicate it, multisided investigation? Is getting
0:17:25 > 0:17:29near to the White House?I think the players are in the White House
0:17:29 > 0:17:33garden. Trunk and see them in the Oval Office and you can tell from
0:17:33 > 0:17:37his nervous tweeting that he is a nervous guy. The gunfire is there
0:17:37 > 0:17:40and that is why he has been waging this campaign against Mueller and
0:17:40 > 0:17:45the FBI. Bearing in mind, four people have been arrested already,
0:17:45 > 0:17:50two have admitted lying to the FBI. That there was no collusion on
0:17:50 > 0:17:53Friday does not mean there will be no collusion in the future and I
0:17:53 > 0:17:57think this could be the beginning of what will end in disaster for Donald
0:17:57 > 0:18:00Trump.A lot of people who were supporters of Hillary Clinton and
0:18:00 > 0:18:04others will hope this will end up in impeachment for Donald Trump and
0:18:04 > 0:18:08that is the end of the Trump presidency but that, of course,
0:18:08 > 0:18:14gives us the presidency of Mr p. Two so I think we some way of that and
0:18:14 > 0:18:21everyone thinking of Watergate but this is... Him a tough this out and
0:18:21 > 0:18:28serve his full term. What we have learnt is about the porous and is of
0:18:28 > 0:18:35western democracy and there are questions about... How porous we
0:18:35 > 0:18:40are?Yes, and whether the Russians interfered on Brexit did we don't
0:18:40 > 0:18:44have a Robert Muller but I think the government is terrified to ask these
0:18:44 > 0:18:48questions.Fascinating, and thank you for talking to us.
0:18:48 > 0:18:50And so to the weather.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52It's that rather wonderful time of year, when across much
0:18:52 > 0:18:54of the country anyway, it suddenly feels like Spring.
0:18:54 > 0:18:57Lots of startled looking people staring up at the sky and wondering
0:18:57 > 0:18:59what that bright yellow thing is.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02But I bet there's bound to be one last blast of frigid horror
0:19:02 > 0:19:03before we get there.
0:19:03 > 0:19:05Sarah Keith-Lucas is in the weather studio.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12You have hit the nail on the head. It is felt quite springlike but
0:19:12 > 0:19:14don't get used to it. Things are going to turn colder through the
0:19:14 > 0:19:19week. Today is not a bad day with a lot of dry weather on the cards. The
0:19:19 > 0:19:24best of the sunshine towards the east, some rain in the west later,
0:19:24 > 0:19:27courtesy of this front approaching from the Atlantic. We have high
0:19:27 > 0:19:30pressure holding on across continental Europe, keeping a lot of
0:19:30 > 0:19:34dry and bright weather towards eastern parts of the country, so for
0:19:34 > 0:19:37Kent, Norfolk, right up towards northern and eastern Scotland, some
0:19:37 > 0:19:43sunshine and even under the cloud further west for England and Wales,
0:19:43 > 0:19:45if you brighter spells. Northern Ireland sees rain through the
0:19:45 > 0:19:48afternoon but it is mild, temperatures for many of us in
0:19:48 > 0:19:53double figures. Overnight the patchy rain work ceased with so much of the
0:19:53 > 0:19:56country having a damp and cloudy night but under that cloud it won't
0:19:56 > 0:20:05be cold so a frost free start to Monday. More cloud than over recent
0:20:05 > 0:20:08days with outbreaks of rain towards eastern parts where is further west
0:20:08 > 0:20:13it should brighten up. Some glimpses of sunshine for North Wales,
0:20:13 > 0:20:18Northern Ireland, where temperatures could reach around 13. Colder
0:20:18 > 0:20:20towards the east. That theme continues with the colder air moving
0:20:20 > 0:20:23across much of the country as we head through the latter part of the
0:20:23 > 0:20:25weekend.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32Not spring yet.
0:20:32 > 0:20:34Labour's hierarchy has gathered this weekend in Leeds to talk
0:20:34 > 0:20:36about a wide range of policies.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38We've already been talking about changes to Government policy
0:20:38 > 0:20:40when it comes to student fees - something, presumably,
0:20:40 > 0:20:41Labour welcomes.
0:20:41 > 0:20:42Or maybe not?
0:20:42 > 0:20:44Angela Rayner, the Shadow Education Secretary joins me.
0:20:44 > 0:20:46You will have seen the reports that the Government is reopening the
0:20:46 > 0:20:50whole issue of student fees. To you welcome mat?We have had three
0:20:50 > 0:20:55announcements of reviews in the last 12 months and eight years of the
0:20:55 > 0:20:58Conservatives that have damaged education and totally decimated our
0:20:58 > 0:21:02further education infrastructure, so another review really isn't going to
0:21:02 > 0:21:06solve the problem of the hike in interest rates which this government
0:21:06 > 0:21:11has done, and the tripling of tuition fees. Most students have
0:21:11 > 0:21:13said that the removal of maintenance grants is one of the biggest
0:21:13 > 0:21:17barriers to them at university at the moment and the Government have
0:21:17 > 0:21:21said nothing on that.Are there more children from disadvantaged
0:21:21 > 0:21:25backgrounds going to universities after tuition fees arrived or not?
0:21:25 > 0:21:30There are more students per se going into university but we also know
0:21:30 > 0:21:33that more students and in particular the disadvantaged students are
0:21:33 > 0:21:39leaving university with over £50,000 of debt so, actually, more students
0:21:39 > 0:21:43are leaving university not getting into the jobs that they want and
0:21:43 > 0:21:47being saddled with debt for many years, and the system is completely
0:21:47 > 0:21:50unsustainable. The Government, frankly, are not leading on this,
0:21:50 > 0:21:53they are being led by the Treasury select committee and the opposition
0:21:53 > 0:21:57who have a vision for the future, which will ensure we have the skills
0:21:57 > 0:22:02we require in our economy and that further education gets the parity of
0:22:02 > 0:22:04esteem you spoke about earlier in the programme instead of the cuts
0:22:04 > 0:22:07they face because we know we need higher education and further
0:22:07 > 0:22:13education in this country to ensure our economy grows in the future.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16There is a suggested in these interviews that different kinds of
0:22:16 > 0:22:22university courses will be more or less expensive, that humanities,
0:22:22 > 0:22:25history, English, social sciences, would be cheaper than sciences or
0:22:25 > 0:22:30maths. What do you think about that? We are told we need sciences or
0:22:30 > 0:22:34maths and so therefore to make bows to Chris Morris when flies in the
0:22:34 > 0:22:39face what the economy is going to need in future and part of our
0:22:39 > 0:22:43industrial strategy we need to make sure we get students on those
0:22:43 > 0:22:50courses. Many of those are subsidised by other courses so it is
0:22:50 > 0:22:53going to cause more chaos in the sector. What we've said is that by
0:22:53 > 0:22:57ensuring we directly fund universities, by making sure their
0:22:57 > 0:23:01money comes straight from the state and corporation tax, is that
0:23:01 > 0:23:04universities would have the money to have a world-class university
0:23:04 > 0:23:09system.Last time we you said you said you had brought along a very
0:23:09 > 0:23:14big abacus to wipe out -- work-out the cost of wiping out all student
0:23:14 > 0:23:18that. Is that still an aspiration for your party?Jeremy said he would
0:23:18 > 0:23:22look about what we have outlined is a clear vision for an education
0:23:22 > 0:23:25service which is important because it will be free from the point of
0:23:25 > 0:23:29use from cradle to grave. The economy faces real challenges in the
0:23:29 > 0:23:33future and our businesses do. We have to make sure we have the skills
0:23:33 > 0:23:38in the economy to go forward and that means making sure people can
0:23:38 > 0:23:41retrain, go to university, get higher education as well as further
0:23:41 > 0:23:44education and, of course, the technical skills we need for the
0:23:44 > 0:23:48economy of the future. We have a vision for that but unfortunately
0:23:48 > 0:23:52the Conservatives have been managing decline, take our eye off the ball
0:23:52 > 0:23:55and we had eight years of an unsustainable Tory failure on
0:23:55 > 0:24:01education.Might be the case that £100 billion to wipe out all student
0:24:01 > 0:24:05debt is not the priority given all the challenges you face if you come
0:24:05 > 0:24:09into government soon.Like today I have outlined the fact that our
0:24:09 > 0:24:12schools are not currently the safest for our young people and children
0:24:12 > 0:24:16because the Government have still not proposed to put sprinklers in
0:24:16 > 0:24:21schools. We have flammable cladding on schools, asbestos in schools, so
0:24:21 > 0:24:25we've been prioritising making sure that our school children are safe,
0:24:25 > 0:24:29our classrooms have the funding on the qualified teachers in order to
0:24:29 > 0:24:32deliver on our skills and future of her economy so our priority has been
0:24:32 > 0:24:38to make sure we get those students into education and we can provide
0:24:38 > 0:24:42the future workers and the economy our future needs.A lot of people
0:24:42 > 0:24:46will agree with you about sprinklers in schools, for instance. Presumably
0:24:46 > 0:24:50you are worried about the possibility of a Grenfell Tower
0:24:50 > 0:24:53happening in a British school. I must ask how much this is going to
0:24:53 > 0:24:57cost and if this new money you are going to put in? You will have to
0:24:57 > 0:25:00rip up a lot of school buildings and remove walls and put in new
0:25:00 > 0:25:05cladding. It is quite a big operation.National Audit Office
0:25:05 > 0:25:09said schools moved around 14 billion and the Government has only
0:25:09 > 0:25:12earmarked around 4 billion. We said that his capital investment and we
0:25:12 > 0:25:16would borrow to make sure that investment is in our schools so we
0:25:16 > 0:25:20will put 13.8 billion into making sure our schools are up to a good
0:25:20 > 0:25:23standard and that is what our children deserve. We can't have
0:25:23 > 0:25:27children in unsafe school environments. Many schools, their
0:25:27 > 0:25:31building is falling apart, they are not fit for purpose. We have
0:25:31 > 0:25:35Portakabins where children are in temporary classrooms. That has to
0:25:35 > 0:25:39stop and we need to invest in education.You are the Leeds for
0:25:39 > 0:25:43this policy summit and people have seen some fairly extraordinary
0:25:43 > 0:25:45scenes on state whether factionalism bubbling inside the party broke
0:25:45 > 0:25:51down. Do you think the scene where the female chair of the national
0:25:51 > 0:25:57policy forum was shut up by a male colleague was a disgraceful one?I
0:25:57 > 0:26:01have known Katrina for many years as a former colleague and she won't be
0:26:01 > 0:26:05shut up by anyone, she is a fabulous colleague. We have robust debates in
0:26:05 > 0:26:09the Labour movement and we have had a fantastic policy forum where we
0:26:09 > 0:26:13have debated and toured about the issues we face of the country and
0:26:13 > 0:26:17unlike the Conservative conference, which looks like a wake, ours is
0:26:17 > 0:26:21lively and about making sure we have the responsibility to.It is
0:26:21 > 0:26:25certainly lively. Katrina wandered about to be taken on the new chair
0:26:25 > 0:26:28and that was stopped because the wrong candidate was going to wind it
0:26:28 > 0:26:33up is that right?My understanding was that the notification for chair
0:26:33 > 0:26:38had not been given enough time so therefore it was not enough -- not a
0:26:38 > 0:26:43question of whether we have a chair but about making sure the maximum
0:26:43 > 0:26:46delegation of Cameron Yates was able to take place so my understanding
0:26:46 > 0:26:51was completely different to that. Lucy Parr, one of your colleagues,
0:26:51 > 0:26:56said it was bullying and smut of old school control free Querrey, not new
0:26:56 > 0:27:04politics. She is right, isn't she? -- smacked of old school... Two is
0:27:04 > 0:27:07the bad conference in September, it was about government in waiting, we
0:27:07 > 0:27:10have the answers but the future of our economy and the future of
0:27:10 > 0:27:17Britain and we are focusing on that and not internal fighting.
0:27:17 > 0:27:20One question, 20,000 Labour Party members of Britain to you saying
0:27:20 > 0:27:24they want a proper discussion about the party's policy on Brexit. Are
0:27:24 > 0:27:29you going to carry on not listening to them?We are always discussing
0:27:29 > 0:27:33Brexit and we will be discussing today as part of our international
0:27:33 > 0:27:37commission at the Forum. We always discuss Brexit and it is something,
0:27:37 > 0:27:41as you know, you don't do a programme where it is not discussed
0:27:41 > 0:27:45and that the Labour Party it is constantly discussed at every level.
0:27:45 > 0:27:49We do discuss it constantly. Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary,
0:27:49 > 0:27:52thank you for joining us.
0:27:52 > 0:27:54Long Day's Journey Into Night has been described by director
0:27:54 > 0:27:56Richard Eyre as "the saddest play ever written".
0:27:56 > 0:27:58In his current production, however, it's also strangely uplifting.
0:27:58 > 0:28:00Eugene O'Neill's American masterpiece sees Jeremy Irons back
0:28:00 > 0:28:01on the London stage.
0:28:01 > 0:28:04He plays a successful actor married to a morphine addict, played
0:28:04 > 0:28:05by freshly Oscar-nominated Lesley Manville.
0:28:05 > 0:28:09Well, I caught up with both actors and asked why they think this is one
0:28:09 > 0:28:10of the greatest plays ever written.
0:28:10 > 0:28:12I knew you didn't mean to humiliate me.
0:28:12 > 0:28:15I knew that was the way you had to do everything.
0:28:15 > 0:28:18I was grateful, and touched.
0:28:18 > 0:28:22I knew buying that car was a hard thing for you to do,
0:28:22 > 0:28:26and it proved how much you loved me.
0:28:26 > 0:28:28In your way.
0:28:28 > 0:28:31Especially when you couldn't really believe it would do me any good.
0:28:31 > 0:28:34Mary, dear Mary...
0:28:34 > 0:28:38For the love of God, for my sake and the boys' sakes,
0:28:38 > 0:28:44and your own, won't you stop now?
0:28:44 > 0:28:47Yes, maybe it is sad, I think it's also probably the best
0:28:47 > 0:28:51American play in the canon, and what divides it, for me,
0:28:51 > 0:28:55from most of the plays is that it was not written
0:28:55 > 0:28:58for money, it was not written to be a successful play.
0:28:58 > 0:29:03It was written cathartically over some years by Eugene O'Neill.
0:29:03 > 0:29:05So it's very much about his own family?
0:29:05 > 0:29:06Absolutely.
0:29:06 > 0:29:08I think it's the greatest play I've ever done,
0:29:08 > 0:29:12and I've done some stonkingly good plays by huge writers,
0:29:12 > 0:29:16you know - Chekhov, Ibsen, Shakespeare, Johnson.
0:29:16 > 0:29:18For me, the play has a resonance.
0:29:18 > 0:29:21It's...
0:29:21 > 0:29:24It's very good to relate to it, it's about a family and these deep
0:29:24 > 0:29:29things that they all have in their own closets.
0:29:29 > 0:29:33And then, right after we were married, there
0:29:33 > 0:29:36was the scandal of the woman who'd been your mistress suing you.
0:29:36 > 0:29:39From then on, all my old friends either pitied me or cut me dead.
0:29:39 > 0:29:44Old man Tyrone, like Eugene's own father, was a very,
0:29:44 > 0:29:46very successful actor, but I was thinking slightly
0:29:46 > 0:29:49of you because there is something that happens to him,
0:29:49 > 0:29:53it must be every actor's ultimate nightmare -
0:29:53 > 0:29:56he has one fantastic role which earns him huge amounts
0:29:56 > 0:29:58of money, and he can never get away from it.
0:29:58 > 0:29:59Mmm.
0:29:59 > 0:30:02It's like being in a superhero film for the rest of your life.
0:30:02 > 0:30:03That's right.
0:30:03 > 0:30:06I think it speaks to all actors, because there's an awful lot
0:30:06 > 0:30:09of rubbish about that we're asked to do which pays us enormous amounts
0:30:09 > 0:30:15of money, and it's very easy to opt for that.
0:30:15 > 0:30:20And you see this man, Tyrone, looking back and thinking,
0:30:20 > 0:30:23"I would've done without all this worldly wealth if I could be proud
0:30:23 > 0:30:28of what I'd done in my career."
0:30:28 > 0:30:31And your character, Lesley, Mary Tyrone, you come
0:30:31 > 0:30:34onto the set and you're shaking, and you don't stop shaking
0:30:34 > 0:30:39all the way through the play because you are a dope fiend,
0:30:39 > 0:30:41again based on Eugene O'Neill's own mother.
0:30:41 > 0:30:45Well, Mary's had a rather tragic and lonely life.
0:30:45 > 0:30:49I mean, she's married very young this glamorous actor.
0:30:49 > 0:30:52She's a rather pious girl, religious upbringing,
0:30:52 > 0:30:55dreams of being a nun, and then she falls in love
0:30:55 > 0:30:58with James and imagines she's going to have this
0:30:58 > 0:31:01marvellous, wonderful life.
0:31:01 > 0:31:06And, in fact, it's a very lonely life.
0:31:06 > 0:31:11He's pursued his work and she's had to travel with him all the time,
0:31:11 > 0:31:17and she's been left in hotel rooms night after night.
0:31:17 > 0:31:19And she loses a child as well, so it's basically mother's
0:31:19 > 0:31:25little helper, she's given some morphine or...
0:31:25 > 0:31:31And of course she gets hooked, she gets hooked on it.
0:31:31 > 0:31:33And, final question, I suppose, about it is whether you feel there's
0:31:33 > 0:31:35any hope or redemption here at all?
0:31:35 > 0:31:36Oh, God, yes.
0:31:36 > 0:31:38I think that's the wonderful thing about it.
0:31:38 > 0:31:40I think the extraordinary thing about this play
0:31:40 > 0:31:46is you leave, as an audience...
0:31:46 > 0:31:47I was quite uplifted, actually.
0:31:47 > 0:31:48That's right, strangely cathartic.
0:31:48 > 0:31:51Whether it be on the simple level of, "My family's difficult,
0:31:51 > 0:31:52but it ain't that difficult!"
0:31:52 > 0:31:54Or indeed just watching and thinking, God, the human spirit,
0:31:54 > 0:31:57how it fights through the suffering that we all have in life.
0:31:57 > 0:32:00I think what you see in our production as well
0:32:00 > 0:32:03is that this isn't just a family that's at loggerheads with each
0:32:03 > 0:32:05other, they actually, you can see that they love each other.
0:32:05 > 0:32:08They rip each other to pieces but at the same time
0:32:08 > 0:32:10they really know each other and they love each other.
0:32:10 > 0:32:13Very much like my own dear family!
0:32:13 > 0:32:16Tyrone and Mary have a lot of love for each other,
0:32:16 > 0:32:19and I think that what we show in the production as well is you get
0:32:19 > 0:32:24glimpses of what their life would've been like when they were younger,
0:32:24 > 0:32:26and how hot they were for each other.
0:32:26 > 0:32:31So you've been nominated for Best Supporting Actress
0:32:31 > 0:32:34in Phantom Thread, which I greatly enjoyed but is one of the weirdest
0:32:34 > 0:32:36films I have ever seen!
0:32:36 > 0:32:41Explain a little bit about it?
0:32:41 > 0:32:45Well, it's quite a simple story, really.
0:32:45 > 0:32:48It's about a brother and sister who run a London
0:32:48 > 0:32:49couture house in the 50s.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51They're very co-dependent, very locked into each other
0:32:51 > 0:32:55and each other's lives.
0:32:55 > 0:32:58And he has had a sequence of lovers and muses in his life that come
0:32:58 > 0:33:01and go, and his sister Cyril, which I play, deals with them
0:33:01 > 0:33:04and deals with him.
0:33:06 > 0:33:08No, don't turn it on me, I don't want your cloud...
0:33:08 > 0:33:09Oh, shut up, Cyril.
0:33:09 > 0:33:11And you can shut right up.
0:33:11 > 0:33:12Don't pick a fight with me.
0:33:12 > 0:33:14You certainly won't come out alive.
0:33:14 > 0:33:17I'll go right through you, and it will be you who ends up
0:33:17 > 0:33:22on the floor, understood?
0:33:22 > 0:33:25And Daniel Day-Lewis chose it as his final film, he said.
0:33:25 > 0:33:26You didn't know that when you started filming?
0:33:26 > 0:33:29No, and I don't think he knew it, either.
0:33:29 > 0:33:32I don't think he came to it thinking, "I'm choosing this film
0:33:32 > 0:33:34because it will be my final film."
0:33:34 > 0:33:36I think it was a decision he came to subsequently.
0:33:36 > 0:33:37What, working with you?
0:33:37 > 0:33:39Thought, "I'm never going to do this again!"
0:33:39 > 0:33:42That's it, end of story!
0:33:42 > 0:33:46He's famously a method actor - did he come on to set every time
0:33:46 > 0:33:49you saw him with a needle in his mouth, looking like a scary,
0:33:49 > 0:33:52controlling couturier?
0:33:52 > 0:33:55He came onto set as the character, and that's what he...
0:33:55 > 0:34:03Yikes! ..likes to do.
0:34:06 > 0:34:08And, listen, whatever gets you through the night,
0:34:08 > 0:34:10and gets your performance on the screen, so be it.
0:34:10 > 0:34:13It's not how I work, it's not how lots of other actors work,
0:34:13 > 0:34:16but it's how he works, and, you know, who are we to rib it?
0:34:16 > 0:34:18Three Oscars, he's not done badly.
0:34:18 > 0:34:19That's pretty all right, isn't it?
0:34:19 > 0:34:20Yes.
0:34:20 > 0:34:23OK, well, listen, very, very good luck in Los Angeles.
0:34:23 > 0:34:24Thanks a lot for talking to us.
0:34:24 > 0:34:25Thank you. Thanks, Andrew.
0:34:25 > 0:34:28And Long Day's Journey Into Night is at Wyndham's Theatre in London
0:34:28 > 0:34:32until 7th April.
0:34:32 > 0:34:33Guy Verhofstadt, former Belgian Prime Minister,
0:34:33 > 0:34:36is now in charge of the Brexit talks for the European Parliament.
0:34:36 > 0:34:39He's a hate figure for many Leavers - Nigel Farage, for instance,
0:34:39 > 0:34:41called his appointment a "declaration of war"
0:34:41 > 0:34:42against Britain.
0:34:42 > 0:34:45This week I went to meet him in Brussels, and asked
0:34:45 > 0:34:47whether the EU actually wants a free trade deal with Britain.
0:34:47 > 0:34:50What we want as the European Parliament is an association
0:34:50 > 0:34:53agreement, and in this association agreement there will be a free-trade
0:34:53 > 0:34:56deal inside, because we think that the future relationship with Britain
0:34:56 > 0:35:00needs to be broader than only trade and economics.
0:35:00 > 0:35:03So, you do want a free trade agreement as part of
0:35:03 > 0:35:05that?
0:35:05 > 0:35:05Exactly.
0:35:05 > 0:35:07So there should be no real problem in achieving that,
0:35:07 > 0:35:09given that our regulations are pretty much similar?
0:35:09 > 0:35:10Maybe I can...
0:35:10 > 0:35:12Maybe I rectify a little bit.
0:35:12 > 0:35:14We want, in fact, more than free trade.
0:35:14 > 0:35:17We should like to have, for example, Britain still in the single market,
0:35:17 > 0:35:24Britain a member of the European Economic Area, Britain a member of
0:35:24 > 0:35:25the customs union, and so on.
0:35:25 > 0:35:27The trouble with your vision is, it's
0:35:27 > 0:35:29basically Britain staying inside the EU but without a vote.
0:35:29 > 0:35:31That's more the question about transition, what
0:35:31 > 0:35:33you're talking about.
0:35:33 > 0:35:36Let's talk about transition.
0:35:36 > 0:35:44They will talk about transition - I hope so - in the coming weeks.
0:35:53 > 0:35:55And transition is mainly the continuation of what we call
0:35:55 > 0:35:58the existing rules, the existing policies, without having a say,
0:35:58 > 0:36:00that's true, because Britain, in the transition, will not be
0:36:00 > 0:36:02longer present in the European Parliament, the European Commission,
0:36:02 > 0:36:04the European Court of Justice and the European Council.
0:36:04 > 0:36:07Boris Johnson says that it would be intolerable and undemocratic for us
0:36:07 > 0:36:10to have to accept new rules, new changes to the rules,
0:36:10 > 0:36:12without even being in the room while they are made.
0:36:12 > 0:36:15We have not decided for Britain to leave and we have not...
0:36:15 > 0:36:17It is Britain who have requested the transition period.
0:36:17 > 0:36:19It is not we who ask for it.
0:36:19 > 0:36:21In effect, your answer is "tough".
0:36:21 > 0:36:22Why it's tough?
0:36:22 > 0:36:24It's normal, when there is a transition, so we are not
0:36:24 > 0:36:25against the transition.
0:36:25 > 0:36:28I think the transition is even necessary, because you need a period
0:36:28 > 0:36:32necessary to discuss and to negotiate a future
0:36:32 > 0:36:34relationship but it's normal that in a transition,
0:36:34 > 0:36:36you simply continue with the existing rules
0:36:36 > 0:36:39and the existing policies.
0:36:39 > 0:36:42A big problem at the moment in the transition talks is about
0:36:42 > 0:36:43the free movement of people.
0:36:43 > 0:36:46Theresa May says that it's not the same for somebody to come
0:36:46 > 0:36:48from the continent of Europe and settle in Britain
0:36:48 > 0:36:50during the transition period, already knowing that Britain
0:36:50 > 0:36:53is leaving the EU.
0:36:53 > 0:36:55That's a different life choice, if you like,
0:36:55 > 0:36:58from somebody who joined before we decided to leave.
0:36:58 > 0:37:01So why should people coming during the transition period have
0:37:01 > 0:37:03all the rights of people who came before?
0:37:03 > 0:37:05Because transition is simply the continuation of the existing
0:37:05 > 0:37:07situation, and what we...
0:37:07 > 0:37:09That's a bureaucratic answer.
0:37:09 > 0:37:11No, that's not a bureaucratic answer.
0:37:11 > 0:37:14I will give you the answer.
0:37:14 > 0:37:17It's not acceptable for us that rules will continue without change
0:37:17 > 0:37:24for financial services, for goods, for whatever other
0:37:24 > 0:37:27business, and only for the citizens, their situation will change.
0:37:27 > 0:37:29That is penalising citizens.
0:37:29 > 0:37:30Why should everything continue for services,
0:37:30 > 0:37:33for goods, for imports, exports and only for the citizens,
0:37:33 > 0:37:41they will be worse off?
0:37:50 > 0:37:52That is for us not acceptable.
0:37:52 > 0:37:54We even do not want to talk about it.
0:37:54 > 0:37:56But they know what the situation is.
0:37:56 > 0:37:58They know Britain is leaving, and they still want to...
0:37:58 > 0:37:59But Britain asked for a transition.
0:37:59 > 0:38:02Britain needs a period from now on, let's say,
0:38:02 > 0:38:04until the end of 2020, to prepare itself,
0:38:04 > 0:38:05so then it's normal.
0:38:05 > 0:38:07But the rights and duties will be the same in transition.
0:38:07 > 0:38:10That counts also for the UK nationals living on the continent.
0:38:10 > 0:38:12Theresa May says her position is a red line.
0:38:12 > 0:38:15You are absolutely the same, "Our position is a red line".
0:38:15 > 0:38:22There is no meeting of minds on this.
0:38:22 > 0:38:24It is possible the entire transition period will fail.
0:38:24 > 0:38:25What happens then?
0:38:25 > 0:38:27If there is no transition, then you have automatically
0:38:27 > 0:38:30the withdrawal of Britain on the 29th of March of next year.
0:38:30 > 0:38:33What the British government can do is that they prepare the new system
0:38:33 > 0:38:35for after 2020 but they cannot seriously say, "Look,
0:38:35 > 0:38:38all the rules and stays in place, only for the citizens
0:38:38 > 0:38:41there is a new situation".
0:38:41 > 0:38:43That is not fair on citizens.
0:38:43 > 0:38:46Let's move, if we can, to the end state, the final agreement.
0:38:46 > 0:38:48It goes fast!
0:38:48 > 0:38:53In your interview, it goes fast, but in reality it will take years.
0:38:53 > 0:38:56Is it at all possible that by the time that we formally leave,
0:38:56 > 0:38:59in March next year, there will be a free trade agreement?
0:38:59 > 0:39:01Is that possible?
0:39:01 > 0:39:04I think what is possible by the 29th of March of next year,
0:39:04 > 0:39:07if everybody agrees with it - British Parliament,
0:39:07 > 0:39:10European Parliament - will be the withdrawal agreement.
0:39:10 > 0:39:13Inside that withdrawal agreement, also, an agreement
0:39:13 > 0:39:17on the transition, a transition, for example, of two years, the end
0:39:17 > 0:39:22of 2020 or the beginning of 2021, and the third thing that will be
0:39:22 > 0:39:27possible is an annex, a political declaration, describing,
0:39:27 > 0:39:30more or less in detail, I should say...
0:39:30 > 0:39:31What the free trade...
0:39:31 > 0:39:34What the future relationship will be.
0:39:34 > 0:39:38And then we will use the transition period to clarify this
0:39:38 > 0:39:45political declaration in an international agreement.
0:39:45 > 0:39:47So, those are the three things - withdrawal agreement,
0:39:47 > 0:39:50inside the withdrawal agreement the transition, a deal
0:39:50 > 0:39:53on transition, and an annex and political declaration describing
0:39:53 > 0:39:58in detail already - because everybody has an interest
0:39:58 > 0:40:00to do that in detail, not to have misunderstandings
0:40:00 > 0:40:01afterwards...
0:40:01 > 0:40:05Describing that future relationship.
0:40:05 > 0:40:08It's fairly clear - it's not completely clear yet to us -
0:40:08 > 0:40:14what Theresa May is going to ask for.
0:40:14 > 0:40:17David Davis described it to me as Canada plus, plus, plus.
0:40:17 > 0:40:19What he meant by that was a free trade deal, no tariffs,
0:40:19 > 0:40:22no nontariff barriers for goods, cars and so forth, but and special
0:40:22 > 0:40:30agreements on things like financial services.
0:40:30 > 0:40:32That's what they're going to ask for.
0:40:32 > 0:40:34And, again, is that not reasonable, to do that kind
0:40:34 > 0:40:35of special bespoke agreement?
0:40:35 > 0:40:38Yeah, but that will not be the outcome of this negotiation.
0:40:38 > 0:40:39That cannot be the outcome.
0:40:39 > 0:40:40Why not?
0:40:40 > 0:40:41No, the outcome will be...
0:40:41 > 0:40:43There can be not a type of saying, "Oh, this
0:40:43 > 0:40:46is interesting, that we like.
0:40:46 > 0:40:51This is not interesting for us, we dislike it, we don't want it".
0:40:51 > 0:40:53What will be in that part of the association
0:40:53 > 0:40:57agreement, we will see.
0:40:57 > 0:40:58Financial passports will not be there any more
0:40:58 > 0:41:00because that's the actual system.
0:41:00 > 0:41:08You need to be part of the single market to have that.
0:41:08 > 0:41:11So that will be a far more difficult negotiation than simply to say, "Oh,
0:41:11 > 0:41:13we like financial services, so we put it in.
0:41:13 > 0:41:16We don't like this sector and we put it out".
0:41:16 > 0:41:18That will be for the future.
0:41:18 > 0:41:20That will be not now.
0:41:20 > 0:41:22There are disagreements on the European side,
0:41:22 > 0:41:24the continental side, as well, about this.
0:41:24 > 0:41:26The Italian prime minister said, for instance, it would be
0:41:26 > 0:41:29unthinkable not to have financial services as part of the agreement.
0:41:29 > 0:41:32Yeah, but that's...
0:41:32 > 0:41:35There will be, certainly, something about financial services
0:41:35 > 0:41:37but there will be also something about regulatory equivalence
0:41:37 > 0:41:45because what we don't want is that with this whole agreement,
0:41:47 > 0:41:52we establish a type of financial centre that is competing
0:41:52 > 0:41:58with the continent, not in a serious way, by every time lowering taxes,
0:41:58 > 0:42:02lowering the type of rules, so that we create a competitive
0:42:02 > 0:42:05disadvantage for...
0:42:05 > 0:42:07You're worried about a race to the bottom.
0:42:07 > 0:42:10We want a level playing field for that.
0:42:10 > 0:42:17So that's the key in all this.
0:42:17 > 0:42:20There has to be a level playing field in this and no
0:42:20 > 0:42:22competitive advantage, neither for the Europeans and not
0:42:22 > 0:42:28for the British side.
0:42:28 > 0:42:32There are a lot of people in Britain who want to divert in some areas
0:42:32 > 0:42:33and carry on converging in others.
0:42:33 > 0:42:35But that's what you allowed for Japan, that's what
0:42:35 > 0:42:36you allowed for Canada.
0:42:36 > 0:42:38Yeah, but there is a big difference.
0:42:38 > 0:42:40With the Japan trade agreement and with the Canadian trade
0:42:40 > 0:42:44agreement, what we tried to do is to converge, while what Britain
0:42:44 > 0:42:44is asking for is...
0:42:44 > 0:42:46They are allowed to carry on diverging, aren't they?
0:42:46 > 0:42:49Is a request for divergences in a number of fields.
0:42:49 > 0:42:57And that we don't want.
0:43:00 > 0:43:02We understand that, OK, Britain wants to diverge
0:43:02 > 0:43:04in a number of fields and regain their sovereignty
0:43:04 > 0:43:06but they have to take then, also, the consequences of it.
0:43:06 > 0:43:08If you divert, it will be...
0:43:08 > 0:43:09It sounds a little punitive.
0:43:09 > 0:43:10No, it's not punitive.
0:43:10 > 0:43:11It's normal.
0:43:11 > 0:43:18It's your decision.
0:43:18 > 0:43:20Is a decision of the British people to go out and to like divergences
0:43:20 > 0:43:24and that's the big difference.
0:43:24 > 0:43:26So, I'm Theresa May now, or I'm Boris Johnson now,
0:43:26 > 0:43:29and I come to you and I say, "Canada plus, plus, plus".
0:43:29 > 0:43:30You say, "No chance".
0:43:30 > 0:43:31Is that right?
0:43:31 > 0:43:32I'm not saying that.
0:43:32 > 0:43:35Everything is depending on the red lines of the British side.
0:43:35 > 0:43:38I say the single market is the best solution for the British industry
0:43:38 > 0:43:40and the British economy but the British government doesn't
0:43:40 > 0:43:46want that, because the red line is no freedom of movement of people.
0:43:46 > 0:43:49I say the second-best option for is a customs
0:43:49 > 0:43:51union but Britain says, "No, it's not possible
0:43:51 > 0:43:54because we want to regain more competence on trade policies."
0:43:54 > 0:43:56My third proposal is, "OK, let's look, then, maybe,
0:43:56 > 0:43:59into one or other association agreements," and maybe
0:43:59 > 0:44:01there will be, also, opposition by the British
0:44:01 > 0:44:03government, saying, "Yeah, but that implies the role
0:44:03 > 0:44:06of the European Court of Justice, and we don't like the European Court
0:44:06 > 0:44:13of Justice," so a lot depends not on the European side.
0:44:13 > 0:44:16A lot depends on the red lines that are put on the table by the British.
0:44:16 > 0:44:19Is there a big difference between you and Michel Barnier
0:44:19 > 0:44:21on any of this or do you think alike?
0:44:21 > 0:44:23No, the specificity of the European Parliament is that
0:44:23 > 0:44:28we're going to be very keen on the issue of the citizens'
0:44:28 > 0:44:32rights and we are very worried, I can tell you,
0:44:32 > 0:44:34and if you will give me the opportunity to say that
0:44:34 > 0:44:42to the British public, very worried about this.
0:44:43 > 0:44:46It's going to be a bureaucratic nightmare in the system for the EU
0:44:46 > 0:44:48citizens living in Britain and for the UK nationals
0:44:48 > 0:44:54living on the continent.
0:44:54 > 0:44:57We want a system for the EU citizens for the future which is very simple.
0:44:57 > 0:44:59A simple declaration by them has to be sufficient to continue
0:44:59 > 0:45:01to have their rights.
0:45:01 > 0:45:03Can I ask what happens if, perhaps over this issue,
0:45:03 > 0:45:06the European Parliament votes down the deal or the British Parliament
0:45:06 > 0:45:07votes down the deal?
0:45:07 > 0:45:11What happens if the deal is voted down?
0:45:11 > 0:45:15Then there is a Brexit on the 29th of March without any arrangement.
0:45:15 > 0:45:19That is what is happening.
0:45:19 > 0:45:21But I presume, if that is happening...
0:45:21 > 0:45:23I presume...
0:45:23 > 0:45:27I have only a small experience as a politician in Belgium
0:45:27 > 0:45:30and in Europe, so not in Britain, but I presume that if that is
0:45:30 > 0:45:34happening, for example, the UK Parliament voting down
0:45:34 > 0:45:37the deal, there will be, I presume, a crisis in British politics,
0:45:37 > 0:45:42I presume maybe an election, maybe after that election
0:45:42 > 0:45:46a new government and maybe a new position of that
0:45:46 > 0:45:48new government on Brexit.
0:45:48 > 0:45:49So I call it...
0:45:49 > 0:45:50That is precisely what I'm asking about.
0:45:50 > 0:45:52May I call it like that, unknown territory?
0:45:52 > 0:45:53That's unknown territory.
0:45:53 > 0:45:54Unknown territory.
0:45:54 > 0:45:57Mr Verhofstadt, thanks very much for talking to us.
0:45:57 > 0:45:59Thank you.
0:45:59 > 0:46:02So, as promised, in his first television interview
0:46:02 > 0:46:04since taking the job, the man responsible for English
0:46:04 > 0:46:10schools and universities, Education Secretary Damian Hinds.
0:46:10 > 0:46:15Welcome. I ask you first of all about this new review on university
0:46:15 > 0:46:19tuition fees? Is everything on the table?We've got a very strong
0:46:19 > 0:46:22higher education sector in this country and the system has been in
0:46:22 > 0:46:26place since 2012 and has been very effective in making sure Al
0:46:26 > 0:46:32universities are properly funded.So why rivulet?But also it has been
0:46:32 > 0:46:37fair in the split and cost between taxpayer and students and there are
0:46:37 > 0:46:40more disadvantaged students going to university. To address your question
0:46:40 > 0:46:45of why review, when the system was brought in it was not anticipated
0:46:45 > 0:46:49that so many universities and courses would all have the same fee
0:46:49 > 0:46:53for their course. There has not been as much variety that has come into
0:46:53 > 0:46:58the system as we would have expected and wanted, so I think it's right to
0:46:58 > 0:47:03ask questions about that and see what can be done to stimulate that
0:47:03 > 0:47:08diversity.Is it true that as a result of this, some courses, for
0:47:08 > 0:47:13instance the humanities, English and other things, could become cheaper?
0:47:13 > 0:47:16I don't think politicians are going to be setting the costs of all
0:47:16 > 0:47:21different courses for all forms of education. All subjects have great
0:47:21 > 0:47:27value and great worth. What we need to look at is the different aspects
0:47:27 > 0:47:32of it, so the cost to put on the course, the value to the student and
0:47:32 > 0:47:40also the value to our society as a whole and to our economy there are
0:47:40 > 0:47:43some subjects in higher education and technical education where we
0:47:43 > 0:47:47will need more of those coming forward in the future because of the
0:47:47 > 0:47:51changes and new challenges in the world economy.I am puzzled. You
0:47:51 > 0:47:54look at this and what are the universities do as a result of the
0:47:54 > 0:47:57review? How do these things change if it is not the Government imposing
0:47:57 > 0:48:02any change?Would be wrong to pre-empt the review. There will be
0:48:02 > 0:48:06an independent panel that will look at these aspects, how students
0:48:06 > 0:48:10decide where to study, what the costs are to put on those causes and
0:48:10 > 0:48:13looking at some of the subjects we need for the future. They will make
0:48:13 > 0:48:18recommendations on the Government will then act to dropIf you are a
0:48:18 > 0:48:23student, a prospective student or the parent of a student, you will be
0:48:23 > 0:48:25very interested in the tuition fees. Is it possible as a result of this
0:48:25 > 0:48:29but you will look again at the very high interest rates on the maximum
0:48:29 > 0:48:34cost of tuition fees, the maximum price tax, and how students get to
0:48:34 > 0:48:39pay them back? Are those things on the table?You talk about the
0:48:39 > 0:48:44maximum price target it up there are some causes when £9,250 in fees is a
0:48:44 > 0:48:48good deal indeed and what the interest the dozens makes the skin
0:48:48 > 0:48:53more progressive. That means people who may cause of money in their 20s
0:48:53 > 0:48:58and 30s will contribute more others. Are these things being reviewed not?
0:48:58 > 0:49:02The independent panel will look at this and Government will respond but
0:49:02 > 0:49:05the panel can look at these different aspects. The Treasury
0:49:05 > 0:49:08select committee report the distance, makes the point that we
0:49:08 > 0:49:10shouldn't think about student debt in quite the same way as another
0:49:10 > 0:49:16debt. We need to think about the way these things come across to
0:49:16 > 0:49:18students.Things like the interest rate might change as a result of
0:49:18 > 0:49:25this review?We can't pre-empt that. I said might.You can't look at one
0:49:25 > 0:49:29aspect of the system in isolation.I am trying to discover whether this
0:49:29 > 0:49:35is a real review which is actually going to change things or not.It is
0:49:35 > 0:49:40a real review.Things will change? We are looking to make sure there is
0:49:40 > 0:49:43the variety and choice in higher education that would be students
0:49:43 > 0:49:47have full visibility of those options and also that they know
0:49:47 > 0:49:51about the progress of elements that are there.So, for instance, does
0:49:51 > 0:49:54the review cover alternatives to the current system of paying for
0:49:54 > 0:50:00students at University? Would recover, for instance, a different
0:50:00 > 0:50:03kind of graduate tax? Would be possibly attacks people have
0:50:03 > 0:50:08suggested on all graduates, a modest tax, to pay for universities? Is
0:50:08 > 0:50:16that on the table?Right now we have a hybrid scheme. It has elements of
0:50:16 > 0:50:19a Labour scheme and a graduate contribution scheme. Already you
0:50:19 > 0:50:23don't pay anything if you are not earning over £21,000, which will
0:50:23 > 0:50:28soon go up to £25,000, so it is a hybrid system but will the review
0:50:28 > 0:50:33look at alternatives? Absolutely, because this is a review not only
0:50:33 > 0:50:36about higher education and universities but about tertiary
0:50:36 > 0:50:40education as a whole and that includes nonuniversity roots and we
0:50:40 > 0:50:45are already making big reforms.So it is possible? To spot we need to
0:50:45 > 0:50:49look at how that works after 2018. It is possible the tuition fees
0:50:49 > 0:50:55could end as a result of this review?We think it is right with
0:50:55 > 0:50:58you but from university education you should benefit and that is what
0:50:58 > 0:51:01the system does. What we're doing in the review is looking at how that
0:51:01 > 0:51:06system works, making sure there are alternatives, that there is more
0:51:06 > 0:51:09variety, and that could include lower cost ways of delivering
0:51:09 > 0:51:12education which might be shorter courses, which also means less time
0:51:12 > 0:51:17out of the labour market, more opportunities to work, to study
0:51:17 > 0:51:22while you work, and so wantedAre you looking again at maintenance
0:51:22 > 0:51:27grants? For a lot of poorer students that is the real issue. They end
0:51:27 > 0:51:31with their £56,000 debt, of which roughly speaking half as the grant
0:51:31 > 0:51:35to pay for a roof over their head, eating while they are at university.
0:51:35 > 0:51:40That is a lot of money and many people think that is a real
0:51:40 > 0:51:42disincentive to many students staying on at university and
0:51:42 > 0:51:44therefore you should look at bringing that maintenance grants,
0:51:44 > 0:51:50not loans.Having maintenance loans has meant students can get access to
0:51:50 > 0:51:55more money to help with the cost of living.And more debt. To spot we
0:51:55 > 0:51:58must remember that when we talk about these large numbers, and I can
0:51:58 > 0:52:03appreciate the concerns that people have, a lot of people will never pay
0:52:03 > 0:52:08off at full amount of money. That is a deliberate feature of the system -
0:52:08 > 0:52:12that if you don't earn over soon-to-be £25,000 you won't pay
0:52:12 > 0:52:15back at all and if you get to the end of the 30 years without it all
0:52:15 > 0:52:19being paid off it is written off. Are you looking at maintenance
0:52:19 > 0:52:25grants again or not?The review is looking at all aspects of tertiary
0:52:25 > 0:52:29funding.Santi Mina, the universities minister, said that as
0:52:29 > 0:52:35he speaks to students he could feel his pain.It depends what you mean
0:52:35 > 0:52:40by feel their pain. When you are looking at a large figure in terms
0:52:40 > 0:52:44of an accumulated financial liability leave university, of
0:52:44 > 0:52:48course I can understand why that could feel difficult. We need to
0:52:48 > 0:52:51make sure that even the current system people are aware that you are
0:52:51 > 0:52:55not going to be repaying unless you meet a certain threshold but the
0:52:55 > 0:52:59whole point of this is to look at all of these elements in the system,
0:52:59 > 0:53:02to make sure there is variety and choice and to make sure the system
0:53:02 > 0:53:07itself it can be and there is value for money for everybody.Labour
0:53:07 > 0:53:12would bring that maintenance grants. This feels like tinkering.It is and
0:53:12 > 0:53:17what you said. This is a full look at the whole of tertiary education,
0:53:17 > 0:53:19at the university sector but also the technical end and the
0:53:19 > 0:53:23alternatives to university, including things like degree
0:53:23 > 0:53:28apprenticeships but the whole variety in technical education.You
0:53:28 > 0:53:31went to a Roman Catholic grammar school. Theresa May was very, very
0:53:31 > 0:53:35clear at the start of a Premiership that she wanted new grammar schools
0:53:35 > 0:53:39to restart. Will that happen under your watch?What we are looking at
0:53:39 > 0:53:44is the existing grammar schools and schools in general whether Mr Mather
0:53:44 > 0:53:47parents are providing a good education and there is need in the
0:53:47 > 0:53:52area, can expand to take on more... At is that what I am asking.I
0:53:52 > 0:53:58appreciate that but what we are looking at... What I'm looking at it
0:53:58 > 0:54:01out for selective schools those same options to expand other as for
0:54:01 > 0:54:06others.You are not going to reopen the issue about opening new grammar
0:54:06 > 0:54:09schools? You once said you wanted a selective school in every
0:54:09 > 0:54:13conurbation or small-town. That is not going to happen. New grammar
0:54:13 > 0:54:17schools are not going to be reopened on your watch quest forThat is not
0:54:17 > 0:54:19what we're doing. We're talking about being able expand existing
0:54:19 > 0:54:26schools.Why not?Are already quite a few selective grammar schools of
0:54:26 > 0:54:31the country but a small minority of the total, 21 thousand 500 schools
0:54:31 > 0:54:38in the country, there are about 60 selective. We have a variety in
0:54:38 > 0:54:41terms of Free Schools, academies, maintained schools, comprehensives,
0:54:41 > 0:54:45and they all have a place.You still haven't told me why you are not
0:54:45 > 0:54:48going to bring back new grammar schools to adoptI am focused on
0:54:48 > 0:54:53making sure we have good schools available in all places. There are
0:54:53 > 0:54:57some parts of the country would have an established sister with selective
0:54:57 > 0:54:59education and in those places schools should be able to expand if
0:54:59 > 0:55:05there is need parental demand that they are providing good education.
0:55:05 > 0:55:09You are planning to make it easier for children to take -- for parents
0:55:09 > 0:55:13take their children out of sex education lessons, no?There was
0:55:13 > 0:55:16already an established right to do that. We're bringing relationship
0:55:16 > 0:55:20education in primary school and relations about sex education in
0:55:20 > 0:55:24secondary schools and those will be in all schools and it will be
0:55:24 > 0:55:26compulsory to have them in all schools but there is an established
0:55:26 > 0:55:31right which will continue for parents to be able to withdraw their
0:55:31 > 0:55:35children from the sex education bit of relationships and sex education,
0:55:35 > 0:55:40not in the science curriculum but in relationships and sex education that
0:55:40 > 0:55:42right exists and will continue and that was made absolutely clear when
0:55:42 > 0:55:47the legislation was going through Parliament.Again, my simple
0:55:47 > 0:55:51question is, why? You look at today's rampages and all the issues
0:55:51 > 0:55:58over the treatment of women and Me Too, and relationships are at the
0:55:58 > 0:56:03core of what has gone wrong and a lot of our country of -- culture.
0:56:03 > 0:56:08Should be mandatory for children to learn the basics of this at school?
0:56:08 > 0:56:13There are many pressures. In a way it is the best time to be young but
0:56:13 > 0:56:15there are new presenters of the interest in cyber bullying and that
0:56:15 > 0:56:19is why we are bringing in the relationship education in primary
0:56:19 > 0:56:23school and relationship and sex education in secondary.Schools
0:56:23 > 0:56:27around the country are facing really severe budget problems, as you know.
0:56:27 > 0:56:31Parents are being asked to pay for books and all sorts of things. We
0:56:31 > 0:56:36went to a primary school in your own constituency and we talked to a
0:56:36 > 0:56:40woman called Victoria Grainger whose six-year-old son is there and she
0:56:40 > 0:56:43said they are losing teaching assistants for primary one and two
0:56:43 > 0:56:48every afternoon. She said losing these teaching assistants has made a
0:56:48 > 0:56:52real difference to the children. The teachers don't have time to pay the
0:56:52 > 0:56:56same attention to them as before and they are relying on parents to step
0:56:56 > 0:57:01in to make sure they don't lose out too much. "I am apolitical but I am
0:57:01 > 0:57:05concerned about the way things are going". What is your message to her?
0:57:05 > 0:57:09I pay tribute to everyone who works in our schools does that incredible
0:57:09 > 0:57:13job that you outlined. There was more money going into schools than
0:57:13 > 0:57:17before, £41 billion, going to be rising to 43.5 billion over the next
0:57:17 > 0:57:22couple of years. Funding will be held in real terms over that period.
0:57:22 > 0:57:27We've found an extra £1.3 billion to be able to do that but there are
0:57:27 > 0:57:31cost pressures, I do recognise that, and that is why we are working
0:57:31 > 0:57:37harder than ever with schools to help them on of questions.It is
0:57:37 > 0:57:41said that the biggest problem on your table is the retention and
0:57:41 > 0:57:43recruitment of teachers. The number of teachers leaving the profession
0:57:43 > 0:57:47has been going up and it is hard to get teachers into teacher training
0:57:47 > 0:57:51colleges, Bertie % down this year. Wires that happening?There are
0:57:51 > 0:57:55still more teachers John Miller Professor Manly Beach, 32,000 last
0:57:55 > 0:58:02years, and more teachers in schools than they're worth.
0:58:02 > 0:58:04than they're worth. A lot of teachers have that vocation to go
0:58:04 > 0:58:10into teaching but one of the top destinations for top graduates at
0:58:10 > 0:58:14University...Nearly 5% of teachers are leaving which is a new rate. I
0:58:14 > 0:58:18are wondering why.You are right that we need to do more on
0:58:18 > 0:58:22recruitment and retention. I know workload is a significant issue for
0:58:22 > 0:58:27teachers and I'm determined to do everything we can.I must we want
0:58:27 > 0:58:31one last thing, the university strikes are coming up quite soon and
0:58:31 > 0:58:34lots of students will lose education as a result. Should they get a
0:58:34 > 0:58:39rebate because they have lost education?Nobody wants to see the
0:58:39 > 0:58:41sort of disruption we are talking about and I do hope this dispute
0:58:41 > 0:58:46will be resolved and that is the outcome we want to. But if it isn't,
0:58:46 > 0:58:51you know, we've been talking about the student finance system. Students
0:58:51 > 0:58:53take out loans to invest in themselves and their education and
0:58:53 > 0:58:58they have rights as consumers...The university should pay them back some
0:58:58 > 0:59:02money if they don't get some education?Universities are
0:59:02 > 0:59:05autonomous institution that this is the them to take these decisions but
0:59:05 > 0:59:10I would expect that that would be taken into account topDamian Green
0:59:10 > 0:59:13whoa Hinds, thank you for talking to us.
0:59:13 > 0:59:17Now a look at what's coming up straight after this programme.
0:59:17 > 0:59:21Join us from Leicester where as the UK and the US talk about what to do
0:59:21 > 0:59:25about the jihadi beagles we asked, should all those who come back from
0:59:25 > 0:59:28Islamic State be punished? And should state schools be able to
0:59:28 > 0:59:30restrict their faith to one religion?
0:59:30 > 0:59:31That's all for this week.
0:59:31 > 0:59:34Until next Sunday, goodbye.