0:00:08 > 0:00:12Good morning! Just sometimes when you make a speech, you don't
0:00:12 > 0:00:16actually want a very loud reaction afterwards. So it was with Theresa
0:00:16 > 0:00:20May and Brexit this week. Cries of outrage from the Tory critics?
0:00:20 > 0:00:25Barely a cheap. Howls of derision from Brussels? No, not really. Was
0:00:25 > 0:00:30it that nobody was quite sure what she meant? Was it simply that
0:00:30 > 0:00:34audience was hypnotised, like the rest of the country, by the endless
0:00:34 > 0:00:39tumbling snow?
0:00:50 > 0:00:52Later, we'll hear from the Prime Minister herself
0:00:52 > 0:00:55in her first and only interview since the speech.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57And we'll get reaction from Ireland's Foreign Minister
0:00:57 > 0:01:01and Deputy Prime Minister, Simon Coveney.
0:01:01 > 0:01:04As well as, closer to home, former Tory leader and keen
0:01:04 > 0:01:09Brexiteer Iain Duncan Smith, and the prominent Remainer
0:01:09 > 0:01:16and former Labour Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20And if you're in need of some musical healing after that,
0:01:20 > 0:01:21playing us out live this morning,
0:01:21 > 0:01:29the Swedish folk band First Aid Kit.
0:01:32 > 0:01:39# Why do I do this to myself? #
0:01:39 > 0:01:43What are the papers looking like this morning?
0:01:43 > 0:01:46I'm joined today by the LBC presenter Iain Dale
0:01:46 > 0:01:48and Helen Lewis, deputy editor of the New Statesman.
0:01:48 > 0:01:49All that after the news,
0:01:49 > 0:01:52read for us this morning by Tina Daheley.
0:01:52 > 0:01:54Good morning.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56Donald Trump is threatening to impose additional taxes
0:01:56 > 0:02:01on cars imported to America from Europe.
0:02:01 > 0:02:03The US President tweeted, saying he would "apply a tax"
0:02:03 > 0:02:05to address what he called a "big trade imbalance".
0:02:05 > 0:02:08The row over tariffs began on Thursday when Mr Trump announced
0:02:08 > 0:02:11an increase in taxes on steel and aluminium imports.
0:02:11 > 0:02:13The EU responded by threatening to increase charges
0:02:13 > 0:02:17on some American products.
0:02:17 > 0:02:19Snow and ice continue to cause widespread disruption
0:02:19 > 0:02:22across the UK despite temperatures slowly rising.
0:02:22 > 0:02:23Many rail lines remain blocked,
0:02:23 > 0:02:27and drivers have been warned to expect delays.
0:02:27 > 0:02:30Two yellow warnings remain in place, covering much of the UK,
0:02:30 > 0:02:32while 16 flood warnings have been issued
0:02:32 > 0:02:35for the south-west and north-east of England.
0:02:35 > 0:02:38MPs have made public a damning independent review
0:02:38 > 0:02:40given to the board of the construction giant Carillion,
0:02:40 > 0:02:42four months before it collapsed.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45The report said that the firm had been "aggressively managed"
0:02:45 > 0:02:47to make its balance sheet look better than it was.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50The chairman of the Commons Work and Pensions Committee, Frank Field,
0:02:50 > 0:02:52said the document showed "gross failings of corporate governance
0:02:52 > 0:02:57and accounting" at the company.
0:02:57 > 0:02:59The Housing Secretary, Sajid Javid, has hit out at so-called "nimby"
0:02:59 > 0:03:03councils which don't build enough new homes in their local areas.
0:03:03 > 0:03:05Mr Javid said authorities in England risk
0:03:05 > 0:03:08losing their planning powers if they don't comply,
0:03:08 > 0:03:11and that he would be "breathing down their necks"
0:03:11 > 0:03:13to ensure targets were met.
0:03:13 > 0:03:15The Government will announce an overhaul of planning rules
0:03:15 > 0:03:19in England tomorrow in an attempt to increase house-building.
0:03:19 > 0:03:23Polls have opened in Italy to elect a new government.
0:03:23 > 0:03:25Observers suggest an alliance of right-wing parties
0:03:25 > 0:03:29organised by the former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi
0:03:29 > 0:03:30will emerge as the largest bloc
0:03:30 > 0:03:33but fall short of a parliamentary majority.
0:03:33 > 0:03:36Pubs in England and Wales will be able to stay open late
0:03:36 > 0:03:39on the weekend of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding.
0:03:39 > 0:03:41The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, said bars would be allowed
0:03:41 > 0:03:43to serve until 1am, rather than 11pm,
0:03:43 > 0:03:49on Friday 18th and Saturday 19th May.
0:03:49 > 0:03:57That's all from me. Back to you, Andrew.
0:03:57 > 0:04:03We have just heard that the German SBD has voted in favour of a grand
0:04:03 > 0:04:07coalition, and therefore, in effect, Germany does have a government. And
0:04:07 > 0:04:11so to the papers. As usual, the observer has an interesting story
0:04:11 > 0:04:17about the economic cost of the snow, £1 billion a day, building sites not
0:04:17 > 0:04:20working, shops empty, a significant hit on the quarterly figures, they
0:04:20 > 0:04:25say. They have also got one of the critics of the speech, one of
0:04:25 > 0:04:27relatively few critics of the Theresa May speech, Michael
0:04:27 > 0:04:33Heseltine writing in the paper as well. The Mail on Sunday has a
0:04:33 > 0:04:36report about Boris Johnson and dirty tricks, described by Number Ten as
0:04:36 > 0:04:41an old-fashioned Anglo-Saxon word I cannot regale you with! The Sunday
0:04:41 > 0:04:46Telegraph has a story about BBC stars complaining over their taxes.
0:04:46 > 0:04:51These service companies and so forth. And also a story about the
0:04:51 > 0:04:55abolition of rules when Brexit happens. And finally, in the Sunday
0:04:55 > 0:05:00Times, a story about internet giants profiting from pop-up brothels. A
0:05:00 > 0:05:03lot of stories attacking internet companies these days in the
0:05:03 > 0:05:07newspapers, and inside the paper Lord Hall of the BBC is joining in,
0:05:07 > 0:05:12talking about social cohesion around Netflix, Amazon and all that. But
0:05:12 > 0:05:17we're going to start with Theresa May's big speech, Iain Dale, and
0:05:17 > 0:05:21what is odd is the lack of front-page stories.Which means it
0:05:21 > 0:05:26is job done for the Prime Minister. A couple of editorials in the papers
0:05:26 > 0:05:30are quite revealing, because the Mail on Sunday, not a huge fan of
0:05:30 > 0:05:33Theresa May normally, they conclude their editorial with the words, she
0:05:33 > 0:05:37has brought a divided Cabinet together, as he deserves support so
0:05:37 > 0:05:43the hard work of getting the best possible deal can begin. The
0:05:43 > 0:05:47observer slightly different, there is that she will make Britain a
0:05:47 > 0:05:51poorer, meaner place. Well, you could argue poorer, but I'm not sure
0:05:51 > 0:05:55of the logic around me now. But there are not huge numbers of Tory
0:05:55 > 0:05:59critics coming out today, even anonymously.A big operation by
0:05:59 > 0:06:04Number Ten.Before the speech, they got a lot of people onside, Jacob
0:06:04 > 0:06:08Rees-Mogg's reaction was incredibly positive, which I was surprised
0:06:08 > 0:06:13that, and even Nicky Morgan, one of the main critics, was in favour. The
0:06:13 > 0:06:17only grandee that the observer can drag out isn't Michael Heseltine,
0:06:17 > 0:06:21who has been critical, but he is about the only one.John Major in
0:06:21 > 0:06:27the Mail on Sunday, he made a very strong anti-Brexit speech before
0:06:27 > 0:06:32Theresa May, but he's mainly focusing on the Irish border today.
0:06:32 > 0:06:35A crashingly banal thing, we cannot take peace for granted, this is
0:06:35 > 0:06:39within the lifetime of people who were still alive when the problems
0:06:39 > 0:06:43were there. There are two ways of looking at the speech, either so
0:06:43 > 0:06:46excellent it shut down all possible criticism, or it kicked the can
0:06:46 > 0:06:49further down the road, and is therefore put off the arguments
0:06:49 > 0:06:55further. I think there was a slight element of low expectations, and
0:06:55 > 0:06:58when she started talking about data protection regulation is, I began to
0:06:58 > 0:07:02question by life choices in joining political journalism! But there was
0:07:02 > 0:07:06some meat in it, talking about the agencies we will stay in.She was
0:07:06 > 0:07:10clear we will not get the same access to European markets after
0:07:10 > 0:07:14Brexit, so this exact same benefits phrase has gone, and she was clear
0:07:14 > 0:07:17we will be paying in money, and there will be lots of areas in which
0:07:17 > 0:07:23the European court will still have some effect on British life.In a
0:07:23 > 0:07:26sense, this was the speech she should have delivered a year ago,
0:07:26 > 0:07:30because a lot of the more hardline Eurosceptics would not have
0:07:30 > 0:07:33swallowed this, particularly those things you have just mentioned.So
0:07:33 > 0:07:38why have they been so quiet this morning and yesterday? Is it
0:07:38 > 0:07:41because, perhaps, they realise their best chance of getting Brexit done
0:07:41 > 0:07:45and the deal signed is to keep Theresa May there, get her to do it,
0:07:45 > 0:07:49and then, after that, they can move her to one side and put in one of
0:07:49 > 0:07:52them and get the real divergent spreads it they have wanted?There
0:07:52 > 0:07:59is something in that.-- divergences Brexit.There are lots of people
0:07:59 > 0:08:04ready and willing to take over, but no king or queen over the water, as
0:08:04 > 0:08:09there was with Heseltine in Margaret Thatcher's day. I do not think they
0:08:09 > 0:08:13could come to an agreement on who the best rival should be.The speech
0:08:13 > 0:08:17did set out how we would have these powers but we might not use them
0:08:17 > 0:08:22immediately, so it was an offer to another Prime Minister pulling us
0:08:22 > 0:08:26further back.If she is sane, this is my view, we will not diverged
0:08:26 > 0:08:31very much, you can relax, they now know this is only as long as she is
0:08:31 > 0:08:36Prime Minister. Prime Minister Rees-Mogg or Prime Minister Gove
0:08:36 > 0:08:41would take a very different view, and that will affect their attitude
0:08:41 > 0:08:46to the negotiations. A week is a long time in politics, and ten days
0:08:46 > 0:08:48ago the summit at checkers happened, and we were told they had agreed
0:08:48 > 0:08:54there would be regulatory divergent. When you listened to Theresa May's
0:08:54 > 0:08:59speech, there was not of that, either it was the Boris Johnson
0:08:59 > 0:09:05briefing immediately afterthat, or Ollie Robinson, the chief Sherpa,
0:09:05 > 0:09:08had influenced her to roll back on it.Another big story which directly
0:09:08 > 0:09:14affects this one, Donald Trump and his blast against the EU and cars,
0:09:14 > 0:09:19quite protectionist blast overnight, and you have a tweet.As ever, we
0:09:19 > 0:09:23just comment on his tweets, if the EU wants to increase their further
0:09:23 > 0:09:27massive tariffs and barriers on US companies, we will simply add a tax
0:09:27 > 0:09:32on their cars. This is the politics of the gut, not the politics of the
0:09:32 > 0:09:36brain, and I suppose this is what we are used to with Donald Trump, but
0:09:36 > 0:09:41having imposed these tariffs on steel, he is clearly thinking about
0:09:41 > 0:09:45doing it in other areas.Old you could play this two ways when it
0:09:45 > 0:09:53comes to Brexit. You could say, what a crazy time to be trying to do free
0:09:53 > 0:09:58trade deals with China and the US president being increasingly
0:09:58 > 0:10:01protectionist, or you could say, better to be outside the EU bloc if
0:10:01 > 0:10:07the Americans are going to treat the EU this way.The EU is a big trading
0:10:07 > 0:10:12bloc, and we will necessarily be a smaller one, but in Jeremy Corbyn's
0:10:12 > 0:10:16speech on Monday, he talked about a customs union, and he was talking
0:10:16 > 0:10:21about the problems of chlorinated chicken...Why are we so obsessed
0:10:21 > 0:10:27about that?It is horrible, we don't want to eat it!What's to be bullied
0:10:27 > 0:10:29in the United States? They won't even notice the difference.A strong
0:10:29 > 0:10:37defence of American food!And other big story overnight, what the
0:10:37 > 0:10:41Conservatives are doing about housing. Go back if I had £1 for
0:10:41 > 0:10:44every time the Conservatives had promised a housing revolution, I
0:10:44 > 0:10:49would be a lot richer than I am now. They are talking by building a
0:10:49 > 0:10:52corridor between Oxford and Cambridge, new towns, and they want
0:10:52 > 0:10:55to relax planning rules. The question is whether they will allow
0:10:55 > 0:10:58councils to build themselves, whether there is the will to do so,
0:10:58 > 0:11:04and there is a problem with
0:11:04 > 0:11:07and there is a problem with taking on nimbies, because another word for
0:11:07 > 0:11:12nimbies is Tory voters. Homeowners largely vote Tory.Let's talk a bit
0:11:12 > 0:11:17more about culture wars in politics, Ian has raised the bar when it comes
0:11:17 > 0:11:21to male grooming on this programme with that jacket!Very kind, I
0:11:21 > 0:11:27didn't dare wear the trousers! This is a story about someone who has
0:11:27 > 0:11:35been appointed as a quality is adviser by the Labour shadow
0:11:35 > 0:11:38qualities minister, and it does look slightly strange when you look at
0:11:38 > 0:11:41some of the things she has said in the past, but the Mail on Sunday has
0:11:41 > 0:11:49got hold of some tweet she sent to friends of the cells in 2010, 2012,
0:11:49 > 0:11:54which look terrible out of context. We have all done that, so I have got
0:11:54 > 0:11:58a bit of sympathy with her on that front, but in this interview in the
0:11:58 > 0:12:06Mail on Sunday magazine, she says this - I practice witchcraft, it is
0:12:06 > 0:12:09something I have always been attracted to, and I like it because
0:12:09 > 0:12:16it is female centric.And she also goes, and I am black, voodoo is more
0:12:16 > 0:12:20my culture than Christianity. And she says, I don't understand how you
0:12:20 > 0:12:24can be conservative and gay, all Conservatives are racist. I would
0:12:24 > 0:12:28love to have a meeting with her to explain how you can be gay and
0:12:28 > 0:12:34Conservative.I find it a very worrying story, because it seemed
0:12:34 > 0:12:38she has been appointed purely on the basis of her identity, which is
0:12:38 > 0:12:42quite offensive to the qualities agenda. Being a woman does not make
0:12:42 > 0:12:48you an expert on feminism. So it does feel like a very tokenistic
0:12:48 > 0:12:52appointment.OK, now, I want to keep moving to some of the foreign
0:12:52 > 0:12:56stories as well, I'm afraid, a very big day in foreign news, and I'm
0:12:56 > 0:13:00going to go to Italy next, because overnight we will get the Italian
0:13:00 > 0:13:06election results, they are voting today, I think.Yes.There is a real
0:13:06 > 0:13:11possibility of the anti-Brussels, anti-immigration five Star Movement
0:13:11 > 0:13:17beginning to move towards power.It is quite difficult to work out
0:13:17 > 0:13:20whether they will be able to get power, they have always said they
0:13:20 > 0:13:25wouldn't enter into coalitions, but they have a 31-year-old leader who
0:13:25 > 0:13:29was softening on that a little bit. The biggest block will be the one
0:13:29 > 0:13:36that is effectively led by Silvio Berlusconi, but he cannot become
0:13:36 > 0:13:51Prime Minister, for Bongo Bongo Land -- Bongo Bongo reasons. If the right
0:13:51 > 0:13:54in Italy does as well as everyone says, effectively, it means that
0:13:54 > 0:13:58Britain will be the only country where the hard left is really on the
0:13:58 > 0:14:03march. You look across all of Europe, and it is the right that are
0:14:03 > 0:14:07doing it.If the Five Star Movement took power, which is possible, it
0:14:07 > 0:14:13would be a much bigger blow to Brussels than Brexit. Huge to
0:14:13 > 0:14:17have...I don't mean to boast against the relative importance of
0:14:17 > 0:14:24Italy in the European project... Italy was there at the start.
0:14:24 > 0:14:29Reading about Italian politics can cheer you up about British politics.
0:14:29 > 0:14:32Let's talk about Chinese politics, tomorrow the Chinese Communist Party
0:14:32 > 0:14:37is go to tear up the rules about how long President Xi can carry on being
0:14:37 > 0:14:43president.This piece in the Sunday Times makes the point that some of
0:14:43 > 0:14:47the reforms to transition China towards democracy have been put off,
0:14:47 > 0:14:50because it said that someone could only be in power for ten years, and
0:14:50 > 0:14:57there is or is it Trump tweet for something, and private comments from
0:14:57 > 0:15:01Trump saying, wouldn't it be great if America did this too? We are in
0:15:01 > 0:15:04an age where people are incredibly authoritarian, Berlusconi is another
0:15:04 > 0:15:09one, they come back like zombies, they will not leave public life,
0:15:09 > 0:15:12Vladimir Putin switched around between being Prime Minister and
0:15:12 > 0:15:17present. A return to the age of strong men in politics.What fun!
0:15:17 > 0:15:20There has been a lot of discussion about Cabinet ministers and their
0:15:20 > 0:15:24favourite childhood books, I need to ask what your favourite book is,
0:15:24 > 0:15:29Ian.Philip Hammond, the Chancellor, you would have thought he might have
0:15:29 > 0:15:34used this as an opportunity to appear a little bit more human -
0:15:34 > 0:15:411980-4 by George Orwell was his favourite childhood book! -- 1984.I
0:15:41 > 0:15:48would recommend the works of Terry Pratchett!Thank you both very much
0:15:48 > 0:15:52indeed, and so to the weather, which as Mauro less elbowed aside the rest
0:15:52 > 0:15:53of the news this week.
0:15:53 > 0:15:56I didn't see much of it myself, spending most of the week hiding
0:15:56 > 0:15:58in the pub, self-medicating with cooking whisky.
0:15:58 > 0:16:00But it was really hard trying to get home afterwards.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03Well, this might infuriate some of you further north, but it's
0:16:03 > 0:16:05feeling positively spring-like here in London this morning,
0:16:05 > 0:16:13so over to Chris Fawkes in the weather studio.
0:16:14 > 0:16:27Not much snow left in the capital, and it is more what has fallen
0:16:27 > 0:16:31that's causing the problems.Take this for example, south Wales
0:16:31 > 0:16:35weather watchers spotted what looks to be a greater buried in one of the
0:16:35 > 0:16:42snowdrifts and there is more snow to come today but it won't cause
0:16:42 > 0:16:46significant problems, it's more what is on the ground. This perhaps
0:16:46 > 0:16:50turning more of a wintry mix across coastal areas, rain and sleet mixed
0:16:50 > 0:16:55in, where was further south it's mainly rain showers for south-west
0:16:55 > 0:17:00England. This rain affecting eastern areas of Kent, Suffolk and Norfolk.
0:17:00 > 0:17:00Overnight
0:17:00 > 0:17:02areas of Kent, Suffolk and Norfolk. Overnight that area of rain fills
0:17:02 > 0:17:06out into the North Sea before pushing back into the cold air,
0:17:06 > 0:17:09heading into Scotland. We will see the rain increasingly turn to snow
0:17:09 > 0:17:14again here. It will be a chilly night but not as cold as it has been
0:17:14 > 0:17:19in recent nights. Still cold enough for pockets of frost in rural areas.
0:17:19 > 0:17:24It is more snow that is forecast for Scotland, particularly in the hills
0:17:24 > 0:17:29on Monday. Rain for south-west England and with temperatures rising
0:17:29 > 0:17:36the thaw set in place. The beast from the east is turning less
0:17:36 > 0:17:40beastly but for some of us there is a bit more snow to come.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43beastly but for some of us there is a bit more snow to come. That is
0:17:43 > 0:17:46what you call a north-south divide.
0:17:46 > 0:17:49One of the big issues tackled in Theresa May's speech
0:17:49 > 0:17:50was, of course, the Irish border.
0:17:50 > 0:17:53So what does her solution look like from the Republic?
0:17:53 > 0:17:55The Tanaiste, Simon Coveney - Ireland's Deputy Prime Minister
0:17:55 > 0:17:57and Foreign Minister - joins us now from Cork.
0:17:57 > 0:18:01Welcome. Can I ask you first of all what you made of the Irish border
0:18:01 > 0:18:09part of Theresa May's speech?I mean we certainly welcome the fact that
0:18:09 > 0:18:12she was very definitive in terms of her continuing commitment to the
0:18:12 > 0:18:15Good Friday Agreement, which of course is the foundation stone for
0:18:15 > 0:18:21the peace process in Northern Ireland. We also welcome the fact
0:18:21 > 0:18:25that she renewed her commitment to the agreement that was made
0:18:25 > 0:18:31politically before Christmas in the joint paper between the UK and the
0:18:31 > 0:18:35EU, but beyond that she hasn't really gone into any more detail
0:18:35 > 0:18:39than we have already heard in terms of how she's going to solve the
0:18:39 > 0:18:44problem of maintaining a largely invisible border on the island of
0:18:44 > 0:18:47Ireland, which she referred to essentially in terms of detail was
0:18:47 > 0:18:55the basis of two papers published last summer which talked about a
0:18:55 > 0:18:59customs union partnership and also talked about the streamlined customs
0:18:59 > 0:19:03arrangements, those being the two options she wants to explore
0:19:03 > 0:19:09further. And of course she didn't refer to the detailed...She did
0:19:09 > 0:19:13give some detail, she said 80% of small businesses will be ignored
0:19:13 > 0:19:16completely and the 20% of the really big companies with very high value
0:19:16 > 0:19:20goods crossing the border can be dealt with electronically. Doesn't
0:19:20 > 0:19:27that make some kind of sense?This is the mistake I think is made in
0:19:27 > 0:19:29Britain all the time, when someone definitively says something will be
0:19:29 > 0:19:35the case from the British government, people assume that is
0:19:35 > 0:19:40the negotiated outcome. Of course it's not. I'm not sure the European
0:19:40 > 0:19:46Union will be able to support a situation whereby 80% of companies
0:19:46 > 0:19:52that trade north-south and South north will protect the integrity of
0:19:52 > 0:19:57the EU single market which will be a big problem for the negotiating
0:19:57 > 0:20:01team. Whilst we will explore and looked all of the proposed British
0:20:01 > 0:20:05solutions, they are essentially starting point in negotiations as
0:20:05 > 0:20:11opposed to an end point. Our responsibility in Ireland is to work
0:20:11 > 0:20:15with Britain... Give me a second, our responsibility is to work
0:20:15 > 0:20:19positively with Britain to try to explore solutions but if we cannot
0:20:19 > 0:20:24agree on solutions of course what we have is the backstop, which is a
0:20:24 > 0:20:27commitment by the British government to maintain full alignment with the
0:20:27 > 0:20:32rules of the customs union and single market.You know that
0:20:32 > 0:20:34backstop is completely unacceptable to the British government because it
0:20:34 > 0:20:40looks like an attempt by the EU and by Dublin to effectively appropriate
0:20:40 > 0:20:46Northern Ireland as part of the EU system. You have suggested that if
0:20:46 > 0:20:50you don't get what you want, it could be the Irish side that splits
0:20:50 > 0:20:54up the hard border. The British government have been clear, under no
0:20:54 > 0:21:01circumstances will be put up a hard border. Are there
0:21:02 > 0:21:05border. Are there circumstances that Ireland would put up a hard border?
0:21:05 > 0:21:09I haven't said that so don't put words in my mouth. Theresa May was
0:21:09 > 0:21:12clear the British government understand how the single market
0:21:12 > 0:21:17works. It was Britain probably more than any other country that helped
0:21:17 > 0:21:21design the single market in terms of how it functions today so everybody
0:21:21 > 0:21:24understands it is part of the negotiation, that this isn't a
0:21:24 > 0:21:29question of either side wanting to put up orders. If you have to
0:21:29 > 0:21:33protect functioning single market, the same weight as Britain wants to
0:21:33 > 0:21:37protect its own single market, you have to understand that if goods
0:21:37 > 0:21:41move from one customs union to another than there needs to be some
0:21:41 > 0:21:44checks, unless there is some mechanism that's negotiated and put
0:21:44 > 0:21:48in place that prevents that. The British government, whether people
0:21:48 > 0:21:53want to accept it or not, committed clearly in December to end showing
0:21:53 > 0:22:02that if there wasn't a political agreement on option A or B, then the
0:22:02 > 0:22:06default position which was agreed to reassure everybody in Northern
0:22:06 > 0:22:10Ireland and people living on both sides of the border and the many
0:22:10 > 0:22:16companies that
0:22:16 > 0:22:27companies that trade on an all-Ireland basis,... We
0:22:28 > 0:22:31all-Ireland basis,... We want with the British negotiators to get a
0:22:31 > 0:22:35better solution that applies to all of the UK so that Ireland's trade
0:22:35 > 0:22:39with Britain east-west and north-south can be maintained as it
0:22:39 > 0:22:45is today. It is a 65 billion euros trade relationship, there are
0:22:45 > 0:22:50200,000 jobs in Ireland dependent on that, and 40,000 companies in the
0:22:50 > 0:22:54UK.Another thing Theresa May said was from now on this very difficult
0:22:54 > 0:23:01issue of the border would be solved jointly by London, Dublin and
0:23:01 > 0:23:04Brussels, in some kind of tripartite system where you settle down and try
0:23:04 > 0:23:10to work it out. Is that going to happen?We are already talking
0:23:10 > 0:23:17together so the negotiating team and task force has already mapped out
0:23:17 > 0:23:21areas of cooperation linked to the Good Friday Agreement and there are
0:23:21 > 0:23:26hundreds of those. I have a very good relationship with Karen
0:23:26 > 0:23:29Bradley, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and with many of
0:23:29 > 0:23:33the British Cabinet members, who we have already met and discussed many
0:23:33 > 0:23:37of these issues with, but the formal negotiations have to be between the
0:23:37 > 0:23:42British government and the EU as a whole. Of course there will be a lot
0:23:42 > 0:23:45of Irish import in that but it doesn't mean these issues will be
0:23:45 > 0:23:51easily solved because they won't.
0:23:54 > 0:23:55easily solved because they won't. It is a very complex thing for Britain
0:23:55 > 0:23:58to leave the European Union. There are 45 years of agreements and
0:23:58 > 0:24:03negotiations that are result of UK membership of the EU and it will not
0:24:03 > 0:24:07be taken apart easily. On top of that Good Friday Agreement and
0:24:07 > 0:24:11complex and fragile peace process, this is a significant responsibility
0:24:11 > 0:24:15for the British government and I'm glad the Prime Minister made that
0:24:15 > 0:24:19clear during her speech. I think it's important to say we welcome her
0:24:19 > 0:24:23speech by and large. There's a lot more detail than we have previously
0:24:23 > 0:24:27seen but essentially what she is outlining is that the British
0:24:27 > 0:24:31approach will be to look for some kind of hybrid model between the
0:24:31 > 0:24:36kind of FTA the EU has with Canada today and the kind of market access
0:24:36 > 0:24:40Norway has into the single market today. Now that we at least know
0:24:40 > 0:24:44that, we can negotiate accordingly. And it is surely in your interests
0:24:44 > 0:24:48to make sure that kind of deal happens. Sir John Major is quoted in
0:24:48 > 0:24:56the British press quoting himself the Irish Central bank saying a
0:24:56 > 0:25:00difficult Brexit deal would cost the Irish economy 40,000 jobs and over a
0:25:00 > 0:25:06decade shrink the Irish economy by 3% so you have a real stake in this
0:25:06 > 0:25:12game, don't you?We do. Brexit was not the choice of the Irish people,
0:25:12 > 0:25:17it was the choice of British people so there is a responsibility on
0:25:17 > 0:25:21Britain to ensure the impact of Brexit on its neighbours is also
0:25:21 > 0:25:27managed, but of course, Ireland has said from the outset here is the
0:25:27 > 0:25:31result of Brexit for us in terms of what we want is the closest possible
0:25:31 > 0:25:37relationship between Ireland and the UK and between the EU and the UK. We
0:25:37 > 0:25:41need to be realistic, when a country leaves the European Union and state
0:25:41 > 0:25:45they will leave the single market and customs union as well, you
0:25:45 > 0:25:50cannot expect to hold onto all of the benefits of EU membership.
0:25:50 > 0:25:56Indeed, we are out of time I'm afraid.
0:25:58 > 0:26:01afraid. Simon Coveney, thank you for joining us from Cork.
0:26:01 > 0:26:03After Theresa May's speech at the Mansion House,
0:26:03 > 0:26:06she made her way back through a blizzard to Downing
0:26:06 > 0:26:08Street, where I sat down to talk with her about
0:26:08 > 0:26:11it. Most people don't really follow the Brexit detail -
0:26:11 > 0:26:12I pointed out to her -
0:26:12 > 0:26:15so for non-experts, what was new in what she was saying?
0:26:15 > 0:26:18Yes, what I was doing in his speech was setting out an ambitious vision
0:26:18 > 0:26:21of the future economic partnership that we want the UK to have with
0:26:21 > 0:26:29the European Union once we've left.
0:26:30 > 0:26:31And it was a vision that was ambitious,
0:26:31 > 0:26:34but it was also practically based, and therefore a credible vision.
0:26:34 > 0:26:37It goes beyond anything that the European Union has done
0:26:37 > 0:26:39before in free trade agreements, because it's very broad,
0:26:39 > 0:26:41so it was covering issues like industrial goods,
0:26:41 > 0:26:42like cars, but also financial services,
0:26:42 > 0:26:43energy, transport, law, science, agriculture, fisheries.
0:26:43 > 0:26:45So it was setting out that ambitious vision,
0:26:45 > 0:26:50but also speaking to people here in the UK and saying...
0:26:50 > 0:26:52Quite bluntly, you're quite blunt.
0:26:52 > 0:26:55Well, I was being straight with people, I think it's important
0:26:55 > 0:26:56to be straight with people.
0:26:56 > 0:27:00But there's also one of the messages behind the speech, I think,
0:27:00 > 0:27:05was to say to people, as I think most members
0:27:05 > 0:27:07of the public feel, that the time for arguing either side
0:27:07 > 0:27:10of the referendum has gone.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13Actually, this was about setting out an ambition for our future.
0:27:13 > 0:27:17And also saying to the European Union, the 27 and also
0:27:17 > 0:27:21the European Commission, we've set out what we want,
0:27:21 > 0:27:26we've set out where we think we can have this ambitious relationship
0:27:26 > 0:27:29that's good for prosperity on both sides - let's get on with it.
0:27:29 > 0:27:32And now it's crunch time, and in the course of the speech,
0:27:32 > 0:27:35I thought you buried a couple of the famous sayings that have
0:27:35 > 0:27:36dogged the Brexit talks.
0:27:36 > 0:27:38Liam Fox's terribly cheerful assertion, "This is going to be
0:27:38 > 0:27:40the easiest negotiation in human history."
0:27:40 > 0:27:42It's not been like that, has it?
0:27:42 > 0:27:44Well, in one sense, we are doing a very simple thing,
0:27:44 > 0:27:47we are leaving the European Union.
0:27:47 > 0:27:49In another sense, of course, having been a member
0:27:49 > 0:27:52of the EU for over 40 years, there is a complexity
0:27:52 > 0:27:55to the relationship that we've developed, and what I was setting
0:27:55 > 0:27:58out in the speech today was showing how, in a very practical way,
0:27:58 > 0:28:02we can move forward on parts of those relationships.
0:28:02 > 0:28:06So for example, if somebody is building cars here in the UK,
0:28:06 > 0:28:08they're probably using parts that have come from parts
0:28:08 > 0:28:10of the European Union...
0:28:10 > 0:28:15And they go back and forth the whole time.
0:28:15 > 0:28:17And I was saying, we recognise that, because we recognise
0:28:17 > 0:28:19the importance of people's jobs.
0:28:19 > 0:28:22What I set out today was a way we can continue to trade that
0:28:22 > 0:28:24ensures we maintain those jobs, maintain that prosperity.
0:28:24 > 0:28:26But it's certainly not easy.
0:28:26 > 0:28:28The other thing that I thought you buried,
0:28:28 > 0:28:30finally, was that this, in terms of access to European
0:28:30 > 0:28:34markets, this will deliver the exact same benefits as we have now,
0:28:34 > 0:28:37which was something that David Davis said, and then later
0:28:37 > 0:28:40on you rather backed up - so you've changed your mind on that.
0:28:40 > 0:28:43No, we're very clear that in terms of the benefit of being able
0:28:43 > 0:28:46to trade with the European Union, yes, we do want to be able
0:28:46 > 0:28:47to continue to do that.
0:28:47 > 0:28:53But the access won't be as good, will it?
0:28:53 > 0:28:56Well, there were some areas where we've looked at the issue
0:28:56 > 0:28:57of the single market, we're coming out
0:28:57 > 0:28:58of the single market.
0:28:58 > 0:29:01Being a member of the single market is an intrinsic part
0:29:01 > 0:29:03of being a member of the EU so...
0:29:03 > 0:29:05But you say, "Our access to each other's markets will be
0:29:05 > 0:29:08less than it is now."
0:29:08 > 0:29:11Yes, and I set out in the speech also a couple of areas
0:29:11 > 0:29:16where that will be the case.
0:29:16 > 0:29:18Actually, one of them might be of particular
0:29:18 > 0:29:19interest to you, Andrew,
0:29:19 > 0:29:21because it's about broadcasting, because there are certain rules that
0:29:21 > 0:29:24follow from being a member of the EU, and what I said is,
0:29:24 > 0:29:28let's face it, you know, there are lots of people
0:29:28 > 0:29:30in the member states of the European Union who actually
0:29:30 > 0:29:32like to switch on and watch the BBC.
0:29:32 > 0:29:33Hear, hear!
0:29:33 > 0:29:35Let's make sure we can continue to do that.
0:29:35 > 0:29:39Let me therefore move a little bit away from the BBC and broadcasting
0:29:39 > 0:29:42and ask you about the other big one, which is the City - and passporting.
0:29:42 > 0:29:44Now, again and again, Philip Hammond, your Chancellor,
0:29:44 > 0:29:46has said that passporting is really important to be City,
0:29:46 > 0:29:49it's absolutely crucial, and that we could not accept a deal
0:29:49 > 0:29:52if we did not have proper access for the City,
0:29:52 > 0:29:54and yet in his speech, you effectively bury passporting,
0:29:54 > 0:29:55you say it's not going to happen.
0:29:55 > 0:29:58What I said in the speech is that we recognise
0:29:58 > 0:30:01that passporting is, again, part of being a member
0:30:01 > 0:30:03of the single market, which is part of being
0:30:03 > 0:30:04a member of the EU.
0:30:04 > 0:30:07We're coming out of the EU, we won't be a member of the single
0:30:07 > 0:30:08market in the future.
0:30:08 > 0:30:11But what we are looking at, what I set out in the speech
0:30:11 > 0:30:14is a new relationship on financial services based on this concept
0:30:14 > 0:30:18of mutual recognition, of agreement on regulations.
0:30:18 > 0:30:22One of the key things in financial services is the regulatory standards
0:30:22 > 0:30:26that banks and others are abiding by, cos that's in the interests
0:30:26 > 0:30:31of consumers, the interests of individuals and businesses.
0:30:31 > 0:30:35And, actually, if we look at the way we can achieve the ability
0:30:35 > 0:30:38for our banks to still be operating, still be providing the huge
0:30:38 > 0:30:42financial support that they do to other countries and business...
0:30:42 > 0:30:46Very important for our economy, 40% of our exports to the EU
0:30:46 > 0:30:51are in services, banking and financial services.
0:30:51 > 0:30:53A lot of bankers will be quite horrified
0:30:53 > 0:30:55that passporting is now officially off the table.
0:30:55 > 0:30:59You've got a new idea - to put it into the free trade deal.
0:30:59 > 0:31:01How many trade deals have included financial services in the past?
0:31:01 > 0:31:03Well, there's quite a few
0:31:03 > 0:31:06that have financial services commitments in them.
0:31:06 > 0:31:09The one that had the most breadth of financial services in it
0:31:09 > 0:31:11was the trade deal that the EU were negotiating
0:31:11 > 0:31:13with the United States. Which failed, yeah.
0:31:13 > 0:31:15For other reasons.
0:31:15 > 0:31:17Financial services are referenced in, for example,
0:31:17 > 0:31:20the deal with Canada.
0:31:20 > 0:31:23Yes, we want to go further, yes, but that is a recognition
0:31:23 > 0:31:25of the very important role that the City of London plays,
0:31:25 > 0:31:28not just for the UK, but actually for the rest
0:31:28 > 0:31:30of the European Union.
0:31:30 > 0:31:35If you look at the significant sums of money businesses in, you know,
0:31:35 > 0:31:37the EU 27, in those countries, actually raise
0:31:37 > 0:31:41through the City of London, it matters to them as well.
0:31:41 > 0:31:43But if we were to accept passporting, we'd just be
0:31:43 > 0:31:47a rule taker, we do have to abide by the rules that were being set
0:31:47 > 0:31:49elsewhere, and given the importance of financial stability,
0:31:49 > 0:31:52of ensuring the City of London, we can't just take the same rules
0:31:52 > 0:31:56without any say in them.
0:31:56 > 0:31:59A lot of bankers, and a lot of big financial services company
0:31:59 > 0:32:01say that without passporting they will have to move
0:32:01 > 0:32:04the centre of their operations onto the European continent -
0:32:04 > 0:32:06what is your message to them today?
0:32:06 > 0:32:09My message to them is that what we are looking to develop
0:32:09 > 0:32:13is a relationship that means that they can stay here in the UK
0:32:13 > 0:32:17as part of the City of London, that they will be continuing
0:32:17 > 0:32:22to provide their services across the European Union,
0:32:22 > 0:32:25but they will know, given the sums of money involved,
0:32:25 > 0:32:27given the importance of financial stability, given the risk that,
0:32:27 > 0:32:30actually, the UK bears as a result of having the City here,
0:32:30 > 0:32:32that it's important that we do that on the basis
0:32:32 > 0:32:35of recognised regulatory standards, but we can't just accept rules
0:32:35 > 0:32:41that are made elsewhere without us having a say in them.
0:32:41 > 0:32:43It's never happened before, this kind of deal,
0:32:43 > 0:32:46this is a new deal that you're starting off from now
0:32:46 > 0:32:49to try and negotiate for the first time, so they're taking a risk
0:32:49 > 0:32:51if they stay here, in their view.
0:32:51 > 0:32:54Can I ask about an area which is, perhaps, easier?
0:32:54 > 0:32:55Can I ask where regulatory divergence, doing things
0:32:55 > 0:32:58differently, is going to benefit Britain and benefit British jobs?
0:32:58 > 0:33:00Where should we look?
0:33:00 > 0:33:03Yes, well, we can look at a number of areas of where we are aiming
0:33:03 > 0:33:06to do things differently in the past from the way
0:33:06 > 0:33:09that they have been as a member... One will do.
0:33:09 > 0:33:12Well, I was just going to come onto one - don't you worry, Andrew!
0:33:12 > 0:33:16But I wanted also to say that this is EU of regulations is important,
0:33:16 > 0:33:19because there will be some areas, actually, where it's important,
0:33:19 > 0:33:21like the car manufacturing we would talking about,
0:33:21 > 0:33:24where being able to operate on the same basis is important
0:33:24 > 0:33:26for that business, that supply chain,
0:33:26 > 0:33:28and the links of the supply chain.
0:33:28 > 0:33:31But if you look at, for example, fisheries,
0:33:31 > 0:33:34and we're going to come out of the Common Fisheries Policy.
0:33:34 > 0:33:36If you're going to look at agriculture, I think there's
0:33:36 > 0:33:38a lot we can be doing there.
0:33:38 > 0:33:42We want to maintain our high environmental
0:33:42 > 0:33:48and animal welfare standards but, you know, actually look to say,
0:33:48 > 0:33:51as I put in my speech, we want a fairer allocation of,
0:33:51 > 0:33:52you know, waters to UK fishermen.
0:33:52 > 0:33:54Agriculture is, I think, 0.7% of the British economy.
0:33:54 > 0:33:56Even if we do things better,
0:33:56 > 0:33:59it's not go to make a huge difference to the whole country.
0:33:59 > 0:34:01It will to farmers, obviously.
0:34:01 > 0:34:03Let's turn to the big central area, which is manufacturing and goods,
0:34:03 > 0:34:07and in that, again and again, in this speech, you have said
0:34:07 > 0:34:10we are going to stay very closely aligned to EU regulations,
0:34:10 > 0:34:13EU standards going forward.
0:34:13 > 0:34:15For how long would we remain in line?
0:34:15 > 0:34:17Well, decisions will be for Parliament to take,
0:34:17 > 0:34:19because people voted for the UK to take back control
0:34:19 > 0:34:22of its own laws, and so it will be for Parliament.
0:34:22 > 0:34:26But what I said in the speech is, and I think this is why I described
0:34:26 > 0:34:29the speech as being practically based, what I said in the speech
0:34:29 > 0:34:32is if you look at industrial goods, if you look at manufacturing,
0:34:32 > 0:34:35there are many links that have been made
0:34:35 > 0:34:38- the supply chains across the UK and other countries in Europe -
0:34:38 > 0:34:42and what's important is that, if you're making a car, for example,
0:34:42 > 0:34:45you want to know that you're making it at a standard
0:34:45 > 0:34:48that you can sell in the UK and into the European Union.
0:34:48 > 0:34:50So there will be areas where maintaining those standards...
0:34:50 > 0:34:56Now, we might do it sometimes in a different way from the EU,
0:34:56 > 0:34:59sometimes it might be exactly the same, sometimes
0:34:59 > 0:35:02we'll achieve the same outcome but do it in a different way.
0:35:02 > 0:35:05Isn't this the centre of the problem, however,
0:35:05 > 0:35:09that you've got, which is that you want to stay aligned
0:35:09 > 0:35:11in all these regulatory areas, and you say we're not going to
0:35:11 > 0:35:14have a race to the bottom, we're going to do things
0:35:14 > 0:35:18at least as well as we do them now, and in the same way that you do
0:35:18 > 0:35:23them, and presumably in the future, if they change their laws,
0:35:23 > 0:35:25them, and presumably in the future, if they change their rules,
0:35:25 > 0:35:27you will change our rules accordingly in order
0:35:27 > 0:35:30to keep that market access, but you can't bind your successors?
0:35:30 > 0:35:35No - crucially, Parliament will be able to take decisions
0:35:35 > 0:35:38about the rules that are set, so in the circumstances, say,
0:35:38 > 0:35:40in which the EU changed a particular rule,
0:35:40 > 0:35:42there'd be a decision for us to take.
0:35:42 > 0:35:44Did we accept it in the future or not?
0:35:44 > 0:35:46But if we didn't accept it, there'd be an arbitration mechanism,
0:35:46 > 0:35:48an independent arbitration mechanism, so people would
0:35:48 > 0:35:50look at it and say, actually, you know what,
0:35:50 > 0:35:53if the UK doesn't accept that, does it make any difference
0:35:53 > 0:35:54to the trading relationship?
0:35:54 > 0:35:57And they might say no, it doesn't, so there's no consequence.
0:35:57 > 0:36:00They might say yes, it does, and so there would be a consequence.
0:36:00 > 0:36:02So you're saying we might lose market access -
0:36:02 > 0:36:07the more we diverge, the more market access we might lose in the future.
0:36:07 > 0:36:11There'd be a decision to be taken, but the point is it would be
0:36:11 > 0:36:14here in the UK that Parliament, if you like, the UK people
0:36:14 > 0:36:16through Parliament, would be taking a decision and balancing
0:36:16 > 0:36:19the interests there between keeping the same rule
0:36:19 > 0:36:21or changing for the future.
0:36:21 > 0:36:25And, you know, as we look at markets around the world,
0:36:25 > 0:36:29what we want to do is to ensure that, yes, we are able to
0:36:29 > 0:36:32trade well with the European Union, but we can also trade well
0:36:32 > 0:36:36with countries around the rest of the world.
0:36:36 > 0:36:41If you look at markets elsewhere, this is very important.
0:36:41 > 0:36:44If you're somebody like James Dyson, a very keen Brexiteer,
0:36:44 > 0:36:46a great British entrepreneur and inventor, he's had lots
0:36:46 > 0:36:49and lots of trouble with EU rules on the energy use
0:36:49 > 0:36:52of vacuum cleaners.
0:36:52 > 0:36:55He thought Brexit was going to let him leap free of all of this -
0:36:55 > 0:36:56off with the manacles!
0:36:56 > 0:36:59But your vision seems to be absolutely not that -
0:36:59 > 0:37:05we will stay closely aligned to those rules.
0:37:05 > 0:37:07A lot of manufacturers, a lot of pro-Brexit people
0:37:07 > 0:37:08will be very disappointed.
0:37:08 > 0:37:10No, there's a lot of areas in manufacturing where people
0:37:10 > 0:37:13are actively saying to us that they want to maintain
0:37:13 > 0:37:14the same standards.
0:37:14 > 0:37:17But what we're doing by coming out of the European Union
0:37:17 > 0:37:19is giving us the choice. So there will be some areas...
0:37:19 > 0:37:22In any trade agreement, when two countries or when the EU
0:37:22 > 0:37:25with another country is sitting down to say, "These are the terms
0:37:25 > 0:37:28on which we will trade with each other, sell products to each other,"
0:37:28 > 0:37:30they agree certain rules that they're going to operate on.
0:37:30 > 0:37:32So there will be commitments made, probably in areas
0:37:32 > 0:37:35like fair competition - we believe in fair competition,
0:37:35 > 0:37:37we want to make sure competition for our businesses in Europe
0:37:37 > 0:37:39is going to be fair in the future.
0:37:39 > 0:37:41But then we also look at other issues, saying,
0:37:41 > 0:37:43"Where does it make sense for our businesses,
0:37:43 > 0:37:46for European businesses, for people and their jobs
0:37:46 > 0:37:50to keep the same standards?"
0:37:50 > 0:37:53"Where is it right for us to say, actually, we'll have the same
0:37:53 > 0:37:55outcome in standards, but we might get at it
0:37:55 > 0:37:59in a different way, achieve it in a different way?"
0:37:59 > 0:38:01"Where actually do we think, no, we should diverge,
0:38:01 > 0:38:03we should have a difference?"
0:38:03 > 0:38:06This may be getting complicated for people watching,
0:38:06 > 0:38:09so let me try and sum up where I think we are.
0:38:09 > 0:38:13There are some areas where we will lose access,
0:38:13 > 0:38:15and we've talked about passporting.
0:38:15 > 0:38:17There are other areas where you think diverging
0:38:17 > 0:38:20is going to be very good for Britain, and you've cited fisheries
0:38:20 > 0:38:22and farming, and there's other areas where we will stay
0:38:22 > 0:38:24quite closely aligned.
0:38:24 > 0:38:26Manufacturing and cars in particular, you mentioned.
0:38:26 > 0:38:28So those, as it were, three different areas.
0:38:28 > 0:38:31That is why the EU talks about cherry picking.
0:38:31 > 0:38:34No, well, first of all, if I can just sort of on the three areas,
0:38:34 > 0:38:37actually, we would look inside each of those areas
0:38:37 > 0:38:40as to what is right for the future.
0:38:40 > 0:38:42And on financial services, we are looking to ensure
0:38:42 > 0:38:45we get that good trade arrangement.
0:38:45 > 0:38:48We're just doing it in a different way.
0:38:48 > 0:38:49This is what's important.
0:38:49 > 0:38:52That's the ambition I was setting out today.
0:38:52 > 0:38:55But as regards to this reference you've made to cherry picking...
0:38:55 > 0:38:58You gave a very rigorous defence of cherry picking in your speech,
0:38:58 > 0:39:00you said yes to cherry picking, lots of cherries,
0:39:00 > 0:39:04cherries all over the place.
0:39:04 > 0:39:07What I said was, if you look at what Europe does today,
0:39:07 > 0:39:12if you look at the European Union today, it has different trade
0:39:12 > 0:39:14agreements with different countries around the world.
0:39:14 > 0:39:17Each of those is different, so if you're, say, looking
0:39:17 > 0:39:19at what suits your particular economies and putting that
0:39:19 > 0:39:21into a trade agreement is cherry picking, then they're cherry
0:39:21 > 0:39:23picking in every trade agreement they put forward.
0:39:23 > 0:39:26But on this particular issue, I mean they may be bluffing,
0:39:26 > 0:39:28but at the moment they sound absolutely steely,
0:39:28 > 0:39:32absolutely unyielding.
0:39:32 > 0:39:35You know all the Barnier and Tusk and other quotes.
0:39:35 > 0:39:37But forgetting them, I mean John Major himself has said
0:39:37 > 0:39:40the chances of getting this kind of deal, the cherry picking kind
0:39:40 > 0:39:42of deal, is somewhere between zero and zilch.
0:39:42 > 0:39:44This is an ambitious deal, but what I've put forward
0:39:44 > 0:39:46is credible because it's based on practicality.
0:39:46 > 0:39:49But it also recognises what the European Union,
0:39:49 > 0:39:52the 27 themselves said at the beginning of this
0:39:52 > 0:39:54process when they set guidelines, because they talked
0:39:54 > 0:39:57about an ambitious and wide-ranging relationship for the future,
0:39:57 > 0:40:02and that's what I believe is in the interests of people.
0:40:02 > 0:40:06People often talk about the UK and the EU and what we are negotiating.
0:40:06 > 0:40:09What lies underneath this is people and their futures,
0:40:09 > 0:40:12and that's what I was setting out in my speech.
0:40:12 > 0:40:15An ambitious, credible vision that is also a vision
0:40:15 > 0:40:17for Britain once we have left the European Union,
0:40:17 > 0:40:21because Brexit isn't just an end in itself.
0:40:21 > 0:40:24Actually, it's about the sort of country we are going
0:40:24 > 0:40:25to be in the future.
0:40:25 > 0:40:28There's been a lot of controversy about the border issue in Ireland.
0:40:28 > 0:40:31During the referendum campaign, you said, "If you pulled out
0:40:31 > 0:40:34of the EU and came out of free movement, then how could
0:40:34 > 0:40:36you have a situation where there was an open border
0:40:36 > 0:40:40with a country that was in the EU and had access to free movement?"
0:40:40 > 0:40:42How does your speech help solve that?
0:40:42 > 0:40:45Well, it sets out some ways, particularly on the issue
0:40:45 > 0:40:50of customs across the border, in which we can resolve that.
0:40:50 > 0:40:53I'm pleased to say that the Taoiseach, when I met him
0:40:53 > 0:40:55recently, has agreed that the UK and Irish governments
0:40:55 > 0:40:58and the commission can sit down and look in more detail
0:40:58 > 0:41:00at the proposals we have put forward.
0:41:00 > 0:41:03What I also set out in my speech, what we've been talking
0:41:03 > 0:41:05about on regulatory standards, is also another important element
0:41:05 > 0:41:11of that issue of the movement of trade across borders.
0:41:11 > 0:41:15But you say very clearly in that part of the speech that those
0:41:15 > 0:41:19new regulatory standards - which would remain at least as high
0:41:19 > 0:41:22as the EU's - would constrain our ability to lower regulatory
0:41:22 > 0:41:24standards for industrial goods,
0:41:24 > 0:41:26so you accept your model for the Irish border
0:41:26 > 0:41:30does tie the hands of industry if they want to diverge from the EU?
0:41:30 > 0:41:33I think we're talking about slightly different elements to this.
0:41:33 > 0:41:35Sorry about this, because it is a complicated subject,
0:41:35 > 0:41:38but there are various elements of ensuring that we don't
0:41:38 > 0:41:40have a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland.
0:41:40 > 0:41:43Part of it is the customs arrangements, part of it is
0:41:43 > 0:41:45the standards we abide by.
0:41:45 > 0:41:49What I'm saying on the standards is that it will be, we will be looking
0:41:49 > 0:41:53to say where does it make sense, in a practical sense,
0:41:53 > 0:41:56because it's important for people
0:41:56 > 0:41:59- for their jobs and prosperity, for our country's prosperity -
0:41:59 > 0:42:02where does it make sense for us to say actually we will abide
0:42:02 > 0:42:04by these standards? But don't just...
0:42:04 > 0:42:06Can I just add this point because it's quite important?
0:42:06 > 0:42:09We talk about EU standards, but actually often what we are
0:42:09 > 0:42:12talking about is not EU standards, it's not European standards,
0:42:12 > 0:42:20it's international standards.
0:42:20 > 0:42:24Because many of these things are developed
0:42:24 > 0:42:25in an international market,
0:42:25 > 0:42:27so we would be ensuring we are actually meeting standards
0:42:27 > 0:42:29that enable us to trade elsewhere.
0:42:29 > 0:42:32And do you think that the borderline between Islington and Camden
0:42:32 > 0:42:33is a very useful comparison of the Irish border?
0:42:33 > 0:42:36I think the Irish border is something which we
0:42:36 > 0:42:37are all committed.
0:42:37 > 0:42:39We're committed, the Irish government, all of the parties
0:42:39 > 0:42:41in Northern Ireland, to making sure there is no hard border
0:42:41 > 0:42:44for the future, and that's why I'm pleased that with the commission
0:42:44 > 0:42:47and the Irish government, we will be able to sit down
0:42:47 > 0:42:50and, in a very much more detailed sense, say what the proposals
0:42:50 > 0:42:52are that we put forward, how would they work,
0:42:52 > 0:42:54let's see which is the best option for the future.
0:42:54 > 0:42:57Boris Johnson thinks there might have to be a hard border.
0:42:57 > 0:43:00No, Boris is absolutely clear that there won't be a hard border.
0:43:00 > 0:43:02That's what he wrote in his letter to you.
0:43:02 > 0:43:04He's clear that there won't be hard border
0:43:04 > 0:43:07between Northern Ireland and Ireland, and we are working to that.
0:43:07 > 0:43:10We have got proposals as to how we can achieve that.
0:43:10 > 0:43:13Now we are going to be able to sit down and talk with others
0:43:13 > 0:43:14about how we do that.
0:43:14 > 0:43:17That's part of my message in this speech overall was that we have
0:43:17 > 0:43:23set out our ideas for the future, for this ambitious relationship.
0:43:23 > 0:43:26Let's actually get on and start the negotiations, start sitting down
0:43:26 > 0:43:30and talking in detail about it.
0:43:30 > 0:43:33We've covered quite a lot of different areas already,
0:43:33 > 0:43:35but let me ask about another really important one,
0:43:35 > 0:43:39which is about migration and free movement of people.
0:43:39 > 0:43:42In the speech, you said, "UK citizens will still want to work
0:43:42 > 0:43:44and study in EU countries, just as EU citizens will want
0:43:44 > 0:43:46to do the same here."
0:43:46 > 0:43:49"We are open to discussing how to facilitate these valuable links."
0:43:49 > 0:43:51What does that mean?
0:43:51 > 0:43:54It means that we will, when we come out of the European Union, be able
0:43:54 > 0:43:56to set our own immigration rules.
0:43:56 > 0:43:59That was one of the reasons many people voted to come out
0:43:59 > 0:44:01of the European Union.
0:44:01 > 0:44:04But what we are not going to be doing is saying that nobody
0:44:04 > 0:44:08from the EU is ever going to be able to come to the UK.
0:44:08 > 0:44:09So easy movement, perhaps?
0:44:09 > 0:44:12No, that's a phrase that's been used by the Labour Party, I think,
0:44:12 > 0:44:14to try and fudge their approach between free movement
0:44:14 > 0:44:16and other sorts of immigration.
0:44:16 > 0:44:20You're trying to fudge it too, aren't you, from what you said?
0:44:20 > 0:44:23No, the important thing is we will set of rules
0:44:23 > 0:44:25for who can come into the country.
0:44:25 > 0:44:27That's what many people voted for.
0:44:27 > 0:44:31That was an element for a lot of people in the reason
0:44:31 > 0:44:34why they voted for Brexit, but what we are saying is that
0:44:34 > 0:44:37actually we are going to want to ensure that people from the UK
0:44:37 > 0:44:43can still go abroad to the other 27 members of the EU and vice versa.
0:44:43 > 0:44:47How?That's what we will be negotiating.
0:44:47 > 0:44:50We will be setting out our immigration rules.
0:44:50 > 0:44:54We will negotiate with the EU, because obviously we want to look
0:44:54 > 0:44:58at what happens to UK citizens as well as what happens
0:44:58 > 0:45:00to EU citizens.All right.
0:45:00 > 0:45:03You said, the hard fact is the EU law and the decisions
0:45:03 > 0:45:06of the European Court of Justice will continue to affect us,
0:45:06 > 0:45:08and you give lots of different examples of that.
0:45:08 > 0:45:10Lots of people thought that, by leaving the EU,
0:45:10 > 0:45:12we were going way away from the ECJ.
0:45:12 > 0:45:14It's going to carry on being involved deeply
0:45:14 > 0:45:16in British life, is it not? No, it's not.
0:45:16 > 0:45:18The jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice
0:45:18 > 0:45:21in the United Kingdom will end. That is an important part.
0:45:21 > 0:45:23You're right, lots of people were also very concerned
0:45:23 > 0:45:25when they voted about this issue of who makes our laws
0:45:25 > 0:45:30and whose courts do people go to.
0:45:30 > 0:45:35The jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in the UK will end,
0:45:35 > 0:45:39but there will be some circumstances in which the ECJ will
0:45:39 > 0:45:43continue to have an effect.
0:45:43 > 0:45:45Let me give you an example, not from the UK but elsewhere.
0:45:45 > 0:45:48The United States agreed... I'd prefer one from the UK, really.
0:45:48 > 0:45:51No, this is a practical example of something that's happened,
0:45:51 > 0:45:55Andrew, which I think helps to show what I'm talking about.
0:45:55 > 0:45:58The United States made an agreement with the EU
0:45:58 > 0:46:01about the exchange of data, sharing of data.
0:46:01 > 0:46:04The European Court of Justice said - because they determine for the EU
0:46:04 > 0:46:09whether that's lawful - said it wasn't.
0:46:09 > 0:46:12So it would be the same for us in lots of ways.
0:46:12 > 0:46:14It affected the overall agreement.
0:46:14 > 0:46:17So that's not saying the ECJ can reach into the United Kingdom,
0:46:17 > 0:46:20it won't be able to, but obviously it has a role
0:46:20 > 0:46:22for people who will be living in the remaining countries
0:46:22 > 0:46:24in the European Union, and for the governments
0:46:24 > 0:46:27who are making those decisions in those countries.
0:46:27 > 0:46:29Whenever we finally leave, we are going to see
0:46:29 > 0:46:34things very, very differently.
0:46:34 > 0:46:37Can you give people a picture of how different life will be for
0:46:37 > 0:46:39businesspeople once we have left?
0:46:39 > 0:46:42Well, I think the important thing for businesspeople once we have left
0:46:42 > 0:46:45is that we will be ensuring that they are able to operate not
0:46:45 > 0:46:47just in a good relationship with the European Union,
0:46:47 > 0:46:49continuing to trade there, but actually trading around the rest
0:46:49 > 0:46:52of the world as well.
0:46:52 > 0:46:54But crucially, of course, it isn't just about Brexit.
0:46:54 > 0:46:57The future for businesses in the UK is about our industrial strategy,
0:46:57 > 0:46:59the balanced approach we're taking to our economy.
0:46:59 > 0:47:01Ensuring our young people have the technical skills
0:47:01 > 0:47:03for the jobs of the future.
0:47:03 > 0:47:07One of the problems we have had over the last 12 months or so is that
0:47:07 > 0:47:10Brexit has completely swamped all other political debate.
0:47:10 > 0:47:13You have got a big announcement on housing, for instance, coming out
0:47:13 > 0:47:17this weekend and a lot of people look at that and say it's all right,
0:47:17 > 0:47:19it's very interesting but it's really fiddling at the edges.
0:47:19 > 0:47:21It's not going to solve the fundamental problem
0:47:21 > 0:47:23we have in this country of not nearly enough houses.
0:47:23 > 0:47:26Well we do have a real problem in this country,
0:47:26 > 0:47:27we need to build more homes.
0:47:27 > 0:47:30We need to ensure - there are too many people in the UK
0:47:30 > 0:47:33today, particularly young people, who fear that they're never
0:47:33 > 0:47:35going to be able to own a place of their own.
0:47:35 > 0:47:38What I'm doing on Monday is setting out how we are
0:47:38 > 0:47:39rewriting the rule book
0:47:39 > 0:47:41in terms of planning so that we are saying to councils,
0:47:41 > 0:47:43you've got to take local communities into account,
0:47:43 > 0:47:46you've got to make sure you have a proper plan
0:47:46 > 0:47:47for your local area.
0:47:47 > 0:47:49If you don't have it, the Government will intervene.
0:47:49 > 0:47:52We're ensuring that we won't see so much money being spent
0:47:52 > 0:47:55on expensive consultants by setting the number of homes on a national
0:47:55 > 0:47:56framework, national calculating the number of homes needed
0:47:56 > 0:47:59in each area.
0:47:59 > 0:48:03Also, what we as a government are going to do, is release more public
0:48:03 > 0:48:07sector land for homes and make sure, actually as we do so,
0:48:07 > 0:48:08some of those homes
0:48:08 > 0:48:10are affordable for key people like nurses working
0:48:10 > 0:48:13in our public services.
0:48:13 > 0:48:17You are going to face in the House of Commons quite
0:48:17 > 0:48:19a serious challenge, as you know, about
0:48:19 > 0:48:21the customs union.
0:48:21 > 0:48:22What happens if the House of Commons vote down,
0:48:22 > 0:48:24votes through that amendment on the customs union?
0:48:24 > 0:48:28If the House of Commons tries to tie your hands, what would you do?
0:48:28 > 0:48:30First of all obviously we will be having a discussion with members
0:48:30 > 0:48:33in the House of Commons because what I have set out today,
0:48:33 > 0:48:36in terms of the future customs arrangement of the EU,
0:48:36 > 0:48:38I think is what most people actually want to see.
0:48:38 > 0:48:42Because what I think is of concern for a lot of people is making sure
0:48:42 > 0:48:45we have that trade across the border that is as frictionless as possible.
0:48:45 > 0:48:47I've put forward proposals in the customs arrangements that
0:48:47 > 0:48:50I believe will actually...
0:48:50 > 0:48:52They are determined to vote you down.
0:48:52 > 0:48:55Is this a motion of confidence, as far as you're concerned?
0:48:55 > 0:48:59If they vote you down, you couldn't stay as Prime Minister, could you?
0:48:59 > 0:49:04What we're doing in looking at the customs issue, as we go
0:49:04 > 0:49:06through these various bills are going through Parliament,
0:49:06 > 0:49:09is saying what's the right customs arrangement for the UK to have
0:49:09 > 0:49:12with the EU in future that ensures we can have tariff-free
0:49:12 > 0:49:18and as frictionless trade as possible across the border?
0:49:18 > 0:49:21We need to do that in any case but of course we need
0:49:21 > 0:49:23to do that for the border between Northern
0:49:23 > 0:49:24Ireland and Ireland.
0:49:24 > 0:49:27What I've set out today is a customs arrangement that achieves that.
0:49:27 > 0:49:30Now I want to get on with discussing it with the European Commission.
0:49:30 > 0:49:31Very final question.
0:49:31 > 0:49:33Are there any circumstances in which you walk away
0:49:33 > 0:49:35from these negotiations?
0:49:35 > 0:49:39I've said before that no deal is better than a bad deal but I'm
0:49:39 > 0:49:42confident we can get a good deal and get the right deal
0:49:42 > 0:49:43for the British people.
0:49:43 > 0:49:45I'm confident about that because the EU themselves have said
0:49:45 > 0:49:47they want an ambitious and wide-ranging relationship
0:49:47 > 0:49:50with us in the future and I'm confident that if we...
0:49:50 > 0:49:53I set five tests, and if we look at our future prosperity
0:49:53 > 0:49:56and security in the UK and in the other 27 countries,
0:49:56 > 0:50:00actually the right deal for us will be the right deal for them too,
0:50:00 > 0:50:02and it will be the right deal for our people.
0:50:02 > 0:50:04Prime Minister, thank you very much for talking to us.
0:50:04 > 0:50:09Thank you.
0:50:09 > 0:50:11Listening to that, the arch Remainer and former
0:50:11 > 0:50:12Labour Cabinet minister Lord Mandelson, and the leading
0:50:12 > 0:50:20Brexiteer, one-time Tory leader, Iain Duncan Smith.
0:50:21 > 0:50:25The week ago, Peter Mandelson, it looked as if Theresa May was facing
0:50:25 > 0:50:28a serious challenge in the Commons on the customs union which might
0:50:28 > 0:50:35have blown a hole through her entire strategy. Has this speech removed
0:50:35 > 0:50:38most of that threat?No, because it's raised a whole series of
0:50:38 > 0:50:42questions about how she's going to arrive at the destination she has
0:50:42 > 0:50:45described and I think she has described the destination better
0:50:45 > 0:50:50than she's ever done before, but she posits two leaps of faith about how
0:50:50 > 0:50:55she's going to get there. The European Union is going to accept
0:50:55 > 0:51:01not only that we will cherry pick sectors in goods trade but according
0:51:01 > 0:51:07to her interview parts of sectors as well. I think that's possible, but
0:51:07 > 0:51:10the EU has already said it's not going to accept that, and the second
0:51:10 > 0:51:16leap of faith is that when it comes to regulations we are going to look
0:51:16 > 0:51:19for mutual recognition, not alignment, but mutual recognition
0:51:19 > 0:51:23which we are then going to be free to diverged from further down the
0:51:23 > 0:51:29course. I don't believe the EU will accept that.As a past commissioner
0:51:29 > 0:51:37yourself, when they say we will not put up with bits, you don't think
0:51:37 > 0:51:41they are bluffing?They are basing this on the legal basis of the
0:51:41 > 0:51:44single market, the rules and established trade policies of the
0:51:44 > 0:51:49European Union and that's why what Theresa May is doing is trying to
0:51:49 > 0:51:54dance on the head of a pin that simply doesn't exist.Sounds very
0:51:54 > 0:51:59painful indeed.It would be very painful for the country as a result.
0:51:59 > 0:52:04Iain Duncan Smith, what's gone on with the Brexiteers after this
0:52:04 > 0:52:09speech? She said we will lose access to the single market, we will be
0:52:09 > 0:52:14paying in, and there are areas the European Court of Justice will still
0:52:14 > 0:52:18be effective, and yet no criticism from your side? Is that because you
0:52:18 > 0:52:25want to get rid of hers so you can diverged properly in due course?Far
0:52:25 > 0:52:30too devious. Not at all. I saw the speech before it was made and I
0:52:30 > 0:52:35reached the conclusion it was a very good balanced speech. She has
0:52:35 > 0:52:39restated the key elements is that we are leaving the single market
0:52:39 > 0:52:43customs union, taking back borders and money. Those are now locked in,
0:52:43 > 0:52:49but the question is around those how do you adjust your relationship with
0:52:49 > 0:52:52the European Union and what she has offered I think is common sense and
0:52:52 > 0:52:56practical solutions to some of the issues they have talked about. Of
0:52:56 > 0:53:00course there will be an area in a period of time that British industry
0:53:00 > 0:53:09might want to stay, it takes us to -- longer to get ready for things.
0:53:09 > 0:53:13She's right, a lot of this is international agreement anyway,
0:53:13 > 0:53:18environmental for example is fourth international stuff, so not a big
0:53:18 > 0:53:24problem but the key area is Parliament ultimately decides and UK
0:53:24 > 0:53:28courts don't adjudicate.Absolutely right but we will not get "The exact
0:53:28 > 0:53:35same benefits" in terms of market access as we have now?We won't, for
0:53:35 > 0:53:38obvious reasons, because we are not in the single market but does that
0:53:38 > 0:53:42affect your ability to trade and does it mean you will trade less
0:53:42 > 0:53:47well or will you see your trade increase? America isn't in the
0:53:47 > 0:53:53single market but they trade with the European Union -- their trade
0:53:53 > 0:53:57has risen faster than the UK's. My point is the answer to your question
0:53:57 > 0:54:01is in all of these other countries that are not in the single market.
0:54:01 > 0:54:09They managed to raise their trade and do trade deals outside. Up until
0:54:09 > 0:54:162015, the last year before we voted to leave, the EU did $7.7 trillion
0:54:16 > 0:54:20of trade, countries like Switzerland and Singapore did weigh more. I
0:54:20 > 0:54:25think Switzerland did nearly 40 trillion and Singapore did nearly 50
0:54:25 > 0:54:30trillion more and that shows big isn't always necessarily powerful.
0:54:30 > 0:54:33The United States is apparently the Government's chief target to do one
0:54:33 > 0:54:38of these ambitious global trade deals. President Trump has said
0:54:38 > 0:54:45overnight free-trade deals are very stupid, I don't think that bodes
0:54:45 > 0:54:50well for the negotiation.That's fair, that's true.What Mr Trump
0:54:50 > 0:54:56often tweets out after watching his Fox programme isn't necessarily
0:54:56 > 0:55:01always what happens.Let me explain how this works. You can only get a
0:55:01 > 0:55:06free trade agreement, and they are very hard to negotiate, if there is
0:55:06 > 0:55:10a balance of benefits for both sides. When it comes to the United
0:55:10 > 0:55:15States, they have made it clear their target is Britain's
0:55:15 > 0:55:19agricultural market. They want their chicken, their hormone injected
0:55:19 > 0:55:26beef, which Michael Gove has already said no to. We want in the US market
0:55:26 > 0:55:33access of their public procurement. Financial services...No, we have
0:55:33 > 0:55:38plenty of financial services and what we can get extra we can eke out
0:55:38 > 0:55:44from commercial diplomacy. What we really want, hear me out, is access
0:55:44 > 0:55:48to public document and this is a resident who says America first. The
0:55:48 > 0:55:52chances of our getting access to an opened up public procurement sector
0:55:52 > 0:55:57in America are near zero.We are jumping out of the Common Market
0:55:57 > 0:56:02into an unfriendly world at the moment.I come back to the point I
0:56:02 > 0:56:07made. It's fascinating, of all of the trade arrangements made by
0:56:07 > 0:56:10smaller countries like Switzerland, far more trade arrangements and
0:56:10 > 0:56:16bigger value than the EU has managed in the same period. Hang on a
0:56:16 > 0:56:23second, of course...Chile, Switzerland...Your comment is you
0:56:23 > 0:56:28cannot do trade agreements unless you are in a big block. Let me
0:56:28 > 0:56:31finish this point. What I'm saying here is these countries have done
0:56:31 > 0:56:40far more wide reaching deals... And only 68% of trade deals made by the
0:56:40 > 0:56:47EU include financial services. In all of those trade deals, nearly 90%
0:56:47 > 0:56:52include financial services.I spoke to officials in China and said what
0:56:52 > 0:56:57about a trade deal, they said why do we need a trade deal? Britain is
0:56:57 > 0:57:02already open to us. What's more, if you think you are going to land your
0:57:02 > 0:57:09services into our market, no thank you.And on that note, we are out of
0:57:09 > 0:57:11time, gentlemen, thank you very much indeed.
0:57:11 > 0:57:14Now a look at what's coming up later this morning
0:57:14 > 0:57:15on the Sunday Politics.
0:57:15 > 0:57:16Here's Sarah Smith.
0:57:16 > 0:57:22On the Sunday politics we will get thoughts on Theresa May's big speech
0:57:22 > 0:57:24from two leading Conservatives on opposite sides of the Brexit divide,
0:57:24 > 0:57:31the former leader Michael Howard and backbench MP Nicky Morgan. Labour's
0:57:31 > 0:57:34Shadow communities sector Andrew Quinn will give Labour's reaction to
0:57:34 > 0:57:38the big speech. Then Theresa May's unofficial deputy David Lidington
0:57:38 > 0:57:42will be here to talk about how the Government intends to fix the
0:57:42 > 0:57:46housing crisis. That is at 11 o'clock this morning.
0:57:46 > 0:57:47Almost out of time for this week.
0:57:47 > 0:57:49We're back at the same time next Sunday.
0:57:49 > 0:57:52Now, with all the Arctic weather we've been having, it's very
0:57:52 > 0:57:54appropriate to have some great live music from Scandinavia this morning.
0:57:54 > 0:57:57First Aid Kit hail from Sweden, but their brand of folk music
0:57:57 > 0:57:58is steeped in pure Americana.
0:57:58 > 0:58:00From their new album, Ruins, this is Fireworks.
0:58:00 > 0:58:08Goodbye.
0:58:10 > 0:58:11# I could have sworn
0:58:11 > 0:58:16# I saw fireworks
0:58:16 > 0:58:20# From your house
0:58:20 > 0:58:26# Last night
0:58:26 > 0:58:28# As the lights flickered
0:58:28 > 0:58:31# And they failed
0:58:31 > 0:58:39# I had it all figured out
0:58:39 > 0:58:47# Why do I do this to myself?
0:58:48 > 0:58:56# Every time I know The way it ends
0:58:58 > 0:59:05# Before it's even begun
0:59:05 > 0:59:13# I am the only one at the finish line
0:59:14 > 0:59:20# I took a trip out to the frozen lake
0:59:20 > 0:59:21# And you felt
0:59:21 > 0:59:29# So far away
0:59:30 > 0:59:35# But I could feel it washing over me
0:59:35 > 0:59:39# There's no escaping
0:59:39 > 0:59:44# The harsh light of day
0:59:44 > 0:59:52# Why do I do this to myself?
0:59:52 > 1:00:00# Every time I know the way it ends
1:00:01 > 1:00:08# Before it's even begun
1:00:08 > 1:00:12# I am the only one
1:00:12 > 1:00:18# At the finish line
1:00:18 > 1:00:21# I could've sworn
1:00:21 > 1:00:25# I saw fireworks
1:00:25 > 1:00:28# From your house
1:00:28 > 1:00:32# Last night
1:00:32 > 1:00:40# Ooh...#