:00:12. > :00:21.We are joined by Emily Thornberry. In a few weeks time, you could be
:00:22. > :00:25.Foreign Secretary. Will you at that point tell Donald Trump he is not
:00:26. > :00:30.welcome for a state visit? No, because he has been invited and I
:00:31. > :00:36.think it was a mistake to invite him as quickly as he was invited,
:00:37. > :00:43.frankly, President Obama had to wait for years. Some people would say so
:00:44. > :00:48.much for your radical change. Jeremy Corbyn said he was not welcome in
:00:49. > :00:51.Britain. I mean... It takes these things in stages. We have to welcome
:00:52. > :00:56.the American president to Britain. We have to work with him. The
:00:57. > :01:01.difference that I have is I will be prepared to stand up to him and say,
:01:02. > :01:04.I'm sorry, Mr President, you're wrong about that, we are supposed to
:01:05. > :01:10.be friends and these values are not our values. You're doing the wrong
:01:11. > :01:17.thing. You know what he is like, he may not want to come. There we are.
:01:18. > :01:22.I here he doesn't want to share with Prince Charles, because he doesn't
:01:23. > :01:29.agree on climate change. It will be a bumpy ride. Under Labour he still
:01:30. > :01:33.comes here? We can't disinvite him that, would be a mistake. Why not?
:01:34. > :01:38.Because it would be to the detriment of the country. Now the ethical
:01:39. > :01:43.foreign policy, you have said that Labour unlike the Conservatives
:01:44. > :01:47.would not turn a blind eye to human rights abuses in China. What does
:01:48. > :01:54.that actually mean? We shouldn't be, we should not be afraid to raise
:01:55. > :01:59.these issues despite the fact we may be going for a trade deal, but we
:02:00. > :02:04.have to be clear about the things that we disagree with. I'm very
:02:05. > :02:11.worried that when I see Theresa May going to the gulf states and after
:02:12. > :02:17.trade deals, she doesn't raise the issue of Yemen or that Saudi Arabia
:02:18. > :02:21.has been bombing weddings and funerals and civilian targets. Is
:02:22. > :02:29.your foreign policy sufficiently ethical, if you raise the issues and
:02:30. > :02:33.get a dusty or hostile response, the Chinese hate this and the stop trade
:02:34. > :02:39.deals, you would endanger the involvement of the China in our
:02:40. > :02:43.nuclear industry. I'm not saying we are going to boycott China. But
:02:44. > :02:49.there is a middle way through the sort of fawning which I think we
:02:50. > :02:55.have seen Theresa May indulging in with trump and the way we would
:02:56. > :02:59.approach things. Now Trident, you don't like the Trump administration
:03:00. > :03:03.and yet we rely on that administration for close
:03:04. > :03:10.co-operation to make our Trident submarines work. Do you withdraw
:03:11. > :03:15.that co-operation, will it still depend on the the Americans. The
:03:16. > :03:20.most important part of our defence is NATO, that and that a partnership
:03:21. > :03:28.with America and our allies. We have been committed to NATO for a number
:03:29. > :03:33.of years. That won'ts will continue. So NATO is important for you? Yes. I
:03:34. > :03:37.ask you that, because Jeremy Corbyn disagrees with that, he is is what
:03:38. > :03:42.he said, here is Jeremy Corbyn talking about NATO. We in the
:03:43. > :03:46.radical end, the left of the unions and the Labour Party have got to be
:03:47. > :03:53.realistic that NATO is a major problem and a ma swror difficulty
:03:54. > :04:00.and to campaign against NATO and its global reach, because it is a danger
:04:01. > :04:06.to world peace and security. Are you going to campaign against NATO's
:04:07. > :04:12.word power. That is a quote from six years ago. Jeremy has been on a
:04:13. > :04:18.journey to coin a phrase and there have been discussions and it has
:04:19. > :04:22.been made you know, we have had, it is clear that the predominance of
:04:23. > :04:28.opinion within the Labour Party is we are committed to NATO. The
:04:29. > :04:34.reality is that we have been relying on our partnership in NATO in the
:04:35. > :04:40.way we have committing things f we were to pull out of NATO. How would
:04:41. > :04:44.we get our forces... Hang on, our force off Salisbury Plain without
:04:45. > :04:48.the assistance of NATO? We don't have enough frigates to move them on
:04:49. > :04:52.to the continent of Europe if necessary if the Russians were to
:04:53. > :05:00.come. Have you made these points to Jeremy Corbyn? Yes. You put him back
:05:01. > :05:03.in his box, he repeated those sentiments in his leadership
:05:04. > :05:09.campaign. Our NATO commitment is clear. You repudiate what Jeremy
:05:10. > :05:12.Corbyn said in 2011. I'm not fighting with anybody, I'm telling
:05:13. > :05:16.you the Labour Party's position is clear. I'm shadow Foreign Secretary.
:05:17. > :05:20.This is somebody who will be Prime Minister and he is saying that NATO
:05:21. > :05:24.is a major problem and the Labour Party should campaign against it. It
:05:25. > :05:31.is not fair if you heard what he said at Chatham House he did not say
:05:32. > :05:36.this. He did not say this. He is clear about NATO. You can unsay
:05:37. > :05:41.these thing of things. You can changeure mind. A loft politicians
:05:42. > :05:47.-- you can change your mind. Now the UN. Will a Labour Government in
:05:48. > :05:54.Britain engage in military operations without the support of
:05:55. > :06:01.the UN? Ever? We don't think that it is right for there to be
:06:02. > :06:07.interventions without it being done on a multilateral by a sichlts we
:06:08. > :06:11.did not think it was right to support Donald Trump in bombing
:06:12. > :06:17.Syria. We think that that undermines the security of the world and the
:06:18. > :06:21.best way for the international community to proveed -- proceed is
:06:22. > :06:28.by agreement. That means the UN Security Council. Yes. Is it right
:06:29. > :06:34.to give countries like China and Russia a veto over any possibility
:06:35. > :06:42.of us using military action. It is very important. I think on Kosovo,
:06:43. > :06:45.the Russians were vetoing the use of force in relation to Kosovo, but
:06:46. > :06:51.there was international agreement that there should be some action in
:06:52. > :06:55.Kosovo with the exception of the Russian and there was the
:06:56. > :07:02.development of the doctrine of responsibility to protect. So it was
:07:03. > :07:06.legal to be an involvement. Robin Cook led the charge on that and he
:07:07. > :07:10.voted for that. He was responsible and he was developing a
:07:11. > :07:14.responsibility to protect doctrine. And Jeremy Corbyn spoke against
:07:15. > :07:19.that. Who was right? I think that Robin was right. And Jeremy Corbyn
:07:20. > :07:24.was wrong. So looking ahead to other possible areas of tension, do you
:07:25. > :07:29.think a future Labour Government would send a task force to the
:07:30. > :07:34.Falklands? Yes. Again Jeremy Corbyn said he wants to negotiate with the
:07:35. > :07:43.Argentine Government about the Falklands and I wouldn't if you --
:07:44. > :07:47.wonder if you would be part of that? If British citizens are being
:07:48. > :07:51.attacked, we protect them, but we don't want to be like the
:07:52. > :07:58.Conservatives who seem to be so gung ho and we will bomb this and do
:07:59. > :08:02.that. You're to look at the alternatives first. There is no
:08:03. > :08:05.settlement to international disputes without there being international
:08:06. > :08:11.agreement. It is a question of how do you get there fastest. If we are
:08:12. > :08:15.under attack, we protect ourselves. Is there a compromise over the
:08:16. > :08:19.Falklands? I think as so long as the people wish to remain British, they
:08:20. > :08:26.remain British. That won't be compromised. I think there needs to
:08:27. > :08:30.be a future in terms of talking to the neighbours of the Falklands and
:08:31. > :08:35.I think that it is to the economic advantage of both that they're able
:08:36. > :08:41.to work more closely. But certainly not under mining the sovereignty of
:08:42. > :08:48.the islands. This is not what the Jeremy Corbyn staid. It seems
:08:49. > :08:51.ridiculous to get into conflict with Argentina, the islanders have a say,
:08:52. > :08:59.but let's bring about a sensible dialogue. He is saying let's talk
:09:00. > :09:04.about the future of the islands. I'm quoting Jeremy Corbyn. That is fine.
:09:05. > :09:09.What Jeremy Corbyn said, why do I Addis agree rngs o' O'o' O'-- why
:09:10. > :09:14.should I disagree. I don't agree with you. What I have said is in
:09:15. > :09:20.line with what Jeremy said. Now the big policy announcement from the
:09:21. > :09:25.Labour Party, the Robin hood tax, Sadiq Khan said it is madness and if
:09:26. > :09:30.you proceed companies will leave the UK when we're leaving the EU already
:09:31. > :09:35.and it is a dangerous policy. I don't think that is again an exact
:09:36. > :09:44.quote. Madness is exact. The truth is that at the moment, there are, we
:09:45. > :09:49.have a tax, which is, which applies when you buy shares and some people
:09:50. > :09:54.called market makers who are hedge funds and if they buy shares, they
:09:55. > :10:02.don't pay tax. That seems to be a development and the other thing is
:10:03. > :10:06.we also think we should extend the tax to different financial
:10:07. > :10:10.instruments, because that is a betting on the stock market and will
:10:11. > :10:16.help the market. Many other countries do it. Clint Hillary
:10:17. > :10:20.Clinton wanted to do it. The European Union are looking into
:10:21. > :10:25.developing a policy. But you agree it should be done with other
:10:26. > :10:31.countries to avoid hedge fund managers to moving to Paris or where
:10:32. > :10:36.they want to move to? I think that actually the House of Lords
:10:37. > :10:40.committee was interesting and looked at changes in behaviour and said
:10:41. > :10:45.they didn't think it would be as drastic as some say. It is a
:10:46. > :10:50.question of just tidying the tax up and it doesn't seem to be right you
:10:51. > :10:59.can be bet on the stock market or a company's debts s and not pay tax.
:11:00. > :11:03.But if you invest you do. What about your colleagues who are telling
:11:04. > :11:11.voters vote for me, that doesn't mean a Labour Government. I think
:11:12. > :11:15.that everyby wishes to have, we will get a Conservative or a Labour
:11:16. > :11:19.Government that is the the choice the people have. There is a
:11:20. > :11:23.different vision. Our vision for Britain is a different one to the
:11:24. > :11:29.Tories' and people need to accept that. We want... Candidates who say
:11:30. > :11:33.vote for me, that does not affect the future of the Government are
:11:34. > :11:38.being defeatist. We have another three weeks to go. Everything is to
:11:39. > :11:44.play for and we have, you can see the way we are attracting more
:11:45. > :11:48.support and I think the things we came out with are popular and we are
:11:49. > :11:56.talking to the public and giving them answers to problems and people
:11:57. > :12:00.need to look at the choice. No Theresa May's hair or whether Jeremy
:12:01. > :12:03.Corbyn should save, but about which politicians can offer you what. What
:12:04. > :12:08.is the two different futures that Britain has and the Labour is a much
:12:09. > :12:11.more positive one and in line with what people wants. I don't want
:12:12. > :12:19.people to be as defeatist. As to whether Jeremy Corbyn should
:12:20. > :12:25.shave, we can discuss that again!