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:00:00. > :00:00.access to investigate China's Tibetan areas where there have been

:00:00. > :00:08.allegations of human rights abuses `` Damian Grammaticas has rare

:00:09. > :00:21.access. So, welcome to our look ahead to

:00:22. > :00:26.what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me to do that are

:00:27. > :00:31.some familiar faces, Nigel Nelson, the political editor of the Sunday

:00:32. > :00:33.people and Mihir Bose, a columnist for the London Evening Standard Let

:00:34. > :00:36.for the London Evening Standard. Let me take you through some of the

:00:37. > :00:39.headlines on the front pages tomorrow. A black and white photo of

:00:40. > :00:42.nozzle Mandela dominating the front page of the observer with the

:00:43. > :00:45.headline that his body will lie in state in a Glass Coffin before he is

:00:46. > :00:49.buried at the village where he grew up.

:00:50. > :00:55.The Sunday Times talks about an 11% pay rise for MPs which it pricks

:00:56. > :01:00.will be met with fury `` it predicts.

:01:01. > :01:04.Soldiers are to face 11 more trials over Iraq deaths according to the

:01:05. > :01:08.Sunday Telegraph according to human rights ruling.

:01:09. > :01:11.The independent was my main photo highlights the slaughter of

:01:12. > :01:15.Africa's elephants and the weather also makes room for a story on what

:01:16. > :01:19.it says is the housing crisis facing the Tories.

:01:20. > :01:25.Gentlemen, let's begin. We will start with the observer and Nelson

:01:26. > :01:28.Mandela, as you would expect, still dominating front pages tomorrow. A

:01:29. > :01:35.chance for the papers to dig out their own archives as well. Yes.

:01:36. > :01:39.Here we have a portrait in the Observer from 1962 and the story now

:01:40. > :01:47.is looking ahead to the funeral which is going to be a 10`day event.

:01:48. > :01:51.We have got world leaders turning up in South Africa on Tuesday and then

:01:52. > :01:56.the funeral proper which will not be until next Sunday. Lots of people,

:01:57. > :02:02.Nigel, over the last couple of days have been describing him as the

:02:03. > :02:11.greatest political leader of all time. Is that fair's that is a

:02:12. > :02:15.long`time! I do think he was the greatest leader of the last century.

:02:16. > :02:20.Because he became such an inspiration to every other political

:02:21. > :02:22.leader. You have seen by the kind of tributes pouring out, just what

:02:23. > :02:28.influence he had on them. There was a man who could knock on any world

:02:29. > :02:36.leader's law and know that they would would open it # on any world

:02:37. > :02:39.leader's door. He gave Tony Blair a hard time over Iraq and Tony Blair

:02:40. > :02:48.tried to avoid him and for the most part, he could do anything, go

:02:49. > :02:52.anywhere. I saw one of the statesman`like appearances he made

:02:53. > :02:54.at the Labour Party conference and he was the biggest political

:02:55. > :03:00.celebrity that anybody had ever seen there. A big piece for the Labour

:03:01. > :03:05.Party, and for the audience, everything was focused on Nelson

:03:06. > :03:08.Mandela. The outpouring has been global. I was reporting in

:03:09. > :03:12.Parliament Square at the statue which he unveiled himself. There

:03:13. > :03:20.were people there have never been to South Africa. I've never met him. ``

:03:21. > :03:25.had never met him. He seems to touch many lives. It is hard to imagine

:03:26. > :03:30.any other figure dying and there being a minute's silence at a

:03:31. > :03:35.Premier League match. He united the world in quite a remarkable fashion.

:03:36. > :03:43.Is that because he was an inspiration? He was an inspiring

:03:44. > :03:47.person? I met him a year after he was released and taken to his Soweto

:03:48. > :03:52.home and he understood remarkably well. He carried no bitterness. He

:03:53. > :03:56.described how he had watched a test match in segregated seats you could

:03:57. > :04:04.not approach the players and South Africa were playing Australia but he

:04:05. > :04:08.dare not speak to the main Australian batsman because if you

:04:09. > :04:14.spoke to them, he would be thrown out and he spoke without any

:04:15. > :04:20.bitterness of the many call him Madiba and I think after the 27

:04:21. > :04:25.years in prison, he emerged and he emerged at a time when perhaps our

:04:26. > :04:30.views of the world's views on racial discrimination completely changed

:04:31. > :04:34.and he created this rainbow nation without the violence. Everybody

:04:35. > :04:41.predicted there would have to be violence, the Afrikaners would not

:04:42. > :04:47.accept anything but he did all that and he was very good at reaching out

:04:48. > :04:53.to people. You have lots of celebrity friends, lots of royal

:04:54. > :04:58.friends `` he had lots of. The Sunday Times, one of the papers

:04:59. > :05:05.tomorrow, looking ahead at the possible guest list for his

:05:06. > :05:13.funeral. Also remembering that the Queen referred to him as her dear

:05:14. > :05:15.friend. She will not be in attendance but the funeral is

:05:16. > :05:21.causing a major problem. Because where it is taking place is in his

:05:22. > :05:27.village in the Eastern Cape. It would be a security nightmare so

:05:28. > :05:32.what seems to be happening and still being firmed up is that certainly

:05:33. > :05:36.our political leaders, Ed Miliband and David Cameron, they will go to

:05:37. > :05:41.the memorial service in the football stadium where the World Cup was held

:05:42. > :05:45.in Johannesburg on Tuesday. It is looking increasingly unlikely they

:05:46. > :05:51.will go to the funeral itself. Just to explain, this is where he grew

:05:52. > :05:58.up. The open fields and other family members buried there. It really is a

:05:59. > :06:03.working farm. Yes, and you will have his genuine friends going there so

:06:04. > :06:13.Bill Clinton will be giving the address there. I think that seems to

:06:14. > :06:18.be the idea. Bono as well. It could be tricky with that many people

:06:19. > :06:25.there. A few of the Spice Girls as well. It is quite difficult to get

:06:26. > :06:30.there as well. And Nelson Mandela came from royal stock. The play she

:06:31. > :06:40.had come from. Presumably there will be a private burial ceremony. The

:06:41. > :06:45.Sunday Times suggested there may be a traditional slaughter of a cow or

:06:46. > :06:53.a sheep. A tribal ritual of which they have already been some. That

:06:54. > :06:57.move onto other stories featuring on the front pages. Back to the

:06:58. > :07:05.Observer now. This is a story now which looks ahead at Ed Miliband's

:07:06. > :07:12.possible election team. And we seeing the return of new Labour?

:07:13. > :07:16.This will cause a lot of fuss. It seems to be an internal memo that

:07:17. > :07:20.the observer have managed to get their hands on. It is suggesting

:07:21. > :07:26.that some of the bigwigs of new Labour, Alistair Campbell, Alan

:07:27. > :07:29.Milburn, Peter Mandelson may be on their way back and will be advising

:07:30. > :07:38.at the band during election time. Should this turnout to be true, ``

:07:39. > :07:44.advising Ed Miliband during election time. How much should we read into

:07:45. > :07:50.that? Alistair Campbell is good at his job. He does what he does. That

:07:51. > :07:54.is the point. And so is Peter Mandelson. When it comes to winning

:07:55. > :08:00.elections, Peter Mandelson is a master at that kind of thing.

:08:01. > :08:05.Whatever the policies. They will have to do something tactical rather

:08:06. > :08:13.than check Egypt. That is Ed Miliband's job. And we have seen a

:08:14. > :08:16.shift to the left `` tactical rather than strategic. As long as they

:08:17. > :08:22.don't surround with the policies, I can see them trying to help the

:08:23. > :08:24.campaign. They are coming back because they have been successful

:08:25. > :08:29.before so they know how to win elections. As opposed to what the

:08:30. > :08:39.policies might be that may not be a tricky balancing act. They might not

:08:40. > :08:43.support the policies. I will be surprised to keep them keep their

:08:44. > :08:47.fingers out of the policies as well. Let's move on to the Sunday Times,

:08:48. > :08:54.sticking with politics and how much politicians get paid. A lot of this

:08:55. > :08:59.goes right back to the expenses scandal. But the argument with the

:09:00. > :09:06.expenses scandal was that they do not get paid a lot. We have never

:09:07. > :09:14.really worked out what they should be getting paid. If you look at what

:09:15. > :09:16.they are paid in America, what we should compare with is what they pay

:09:17. > :09:22.in other countries and what they were should be paid. Far too many

:09:23. > :09:25.MPs act like local councillors. Should they be doing that? Their

:09:26. > :09:32.role should be to look at the legislation, that make sure we have

:09:33. > :09:38.good legislation. Do they have enough resources? That should be the

:09:39. > :09:40.case. Hasn't the argument from the politicians being that they could

:09:41. > :09:51.earn a heck of a lot more money not being politicians? Then they

:09:52. > :09:59.shouldn't become politicians. They have their arguments. We could talk

:10:00. > :10:05.about the BBC... I love my job, I would do it for free. Everybody has

:10:06. > :10:12.had their salaries stamped on and the idea that politicians will lead

:10:13. > :10:17.up from 66,000 two 74,000 will infuriate people. But it is right.

:10:18. > :10:21.What should be pay our politicians? What happened under Margaret

:10:22. > :10:28.Thatcher was that when they wanted a pay rise then, she said no, tell you

:10:29. > :10:33.what, one a bit on your expenses `` put a bit on your expenses. And at a

:10:34. > :10:37.time when people are losing jobs, being made redundant and not

:10:38. > :10:45.receiving pay rises, the theory comes from that. And we do not

:10:46. > :10:50.expect polishes Philip macro politicians to be respected. `` we

:10:51. > :10:57.do not expect politicians to be respected. The Parliament standards

:10:58. > :11:03.authority was brought in because of the fiddling of expenses so it is an

:11:04. > :11:09.independent judgement. Maybe expenses claims will go down 11 .

:11:10. > :11:16.There are losing golden handshakes and final salary pension schemes.

:11:17. > :11:20.Onto the Sunday Telegraph. This is in reaction to a High Court ruling,

:11:21. > :11:27.soldiers to face 11 more trials over Iraq deaths. Tell us more on this.

:11:28. > :11:33.This is on the back of Sergeant Alexander Black who has been sent

:11:34. > :11:40.down for ten years for murdering a wounded Taliban fighter. They are

:11:41. > :11:44.now looking at 11 different deaths in Iraq in British hands. This will

:11:45. > :11:49.result in 11 separate enquiries I result in 11 separate enquiries I

:11:50. > :11:53.would imagine the army are feeling the league that all this is being

:11:54. > :12:00.raised. We are going back now ten years to what happened in Iraq. But

:12:01. > :12:04.if evidence is coming to light, that should be investigated, we have a

:12:05. > :12:09.duty to do so. Equally, a huge number of Iraqi families fighting

:12:10. > :12:15.for justice and it has taken that long. Yes, but the climate is

:12:16. > :12:23.slightly different now. We have a soldier who has been sent to jail

:12:24. > :12:27.for ten years for murder, that is focusing minds and we are now

:12:28. > :12:32.looking at possible misdemeanours in the past. When we say we are morally

:12:33. > :12:35.right, we have to show we are. When we have situations where a soldier

:12:36. > :12:42.has killed someone like in this case, a wounded Taliban there has

:12:43. > :12:59.got to a trial of some sort. Do you think lessons are learned from

:13:00. > :13:09.trials like this? The Ivy capable of implementing fence to prevent abuses

:13:10. > :13:13.of power. `` are they capable? It is difficult. So long as we do not do

:13:14. > :13:24.what some other regimes do which is see that killing like this has not

:13:25. > :13:28.happened. `` say. It will make a lot of people think twice before perhaps

:13:29. > :13:34.doing something that they should not. We have run out of time. Thank

:13:35. > :13:40.you for taking us through the papers. We will do it again in

:13:41. > :13:44.around 25 minutes time. We will be looking at the papers just after 11

:13:45. > :13:50.o'clock this evening. Coming up next, it is the Reporters, do not go

:13:51. > :14:19.away. Welcome to the programme. I'm Zeinab

:14:20. > :14:28.Badawi. In this week's programme: Inside China's Tibetan areas. Our

:14:29. > :14:34.reporter looks at increasing revelations over human rights

:14:35. > :14:37.abuses. There has been a clamp`down on monasteries and all aspects of

:14:38. > :14:38.type