08/01/2014

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:00:00. > 3:59:59winter, it is just a case of when. -- of FIFA. We will also have the

:00:00. > :00:20.latest action from the lakeside. Welcome to our look ahead to what

:00:21. > :00:25.the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are Beth Rigby,

:00:26. > :00:29.political editor at the Financial Times, and the freelance journalist

:00:30. > :00:31.John Kampfner. We are good to start with the independent which has this

:00:32. > :00:44.headline... The Telegraph says coalition

:00:45. > :00:48.planning reforms are causing physical harm to the countryside.

:00:49. > :00:52.And the Daily Express says Britain is in for a blast of Siberian snow

:00:53. > :01:01.after a week of flooding. The Guardian also leads on the Mark

:01:02. > :01:03.Duggan inquest. The Daily Mail has a striking image from outside the

:01:04. > :01:15.inquest. We are going to stalk with a story

:01:16. > :01:23.which has dominated the headlines this afternoon and this evening, the

:01:24. > :01:27.Mark Duggan inquest. A lot of people I think are still, despite a lot of

:01:28. > :01:33.analysis in the media, and I do not know why we have got that flooding

:01:34. > :01:37.picture, scratching their heads, wondering how it can be that a jury

:01:38. > :01:44.can find that this man did not have a gun at the time he was shot, and

:01:45. > :01:50.yet he was lawfully shot. No, this is the conclusion of three months of

:01:51. > :01:54.deliberation, that there has not been an unlawful killing verdict,

:01:55. > :01:58.and as you said, he did not have a gun when he was shot, there was not

:01:59. > :02:04.a gun in his hand, and yet, there has not been any punishment or

:02:05. > :02:10.verdict of unlawful killing. As the family said tonight, there is no

:02:11. > :02:17.justice and no peace. So, an attempt to draw a line under this matter has

:02:18. > :02:20.left unanswered questions. This is not going to go away, and I wonder

:02:21. > :02:23.whether it will though couple more tensions within Tottenham in the

:02:24. > :02:31.coming weeks, as the implications of what has happened are played out.

:02:32. > :02:38.Partly, John Kampfner, part of the reasoning in people's minds in terms

:02:39. > :02:43.of understanding what is going on is because they do not trust the police

:02:44. > :02:46.anyway. Yes, and the police have formed. There was the Jean Charles

:02:47. > :02:50.de Menezes case the killing of Ian Tomlinson and others, and there is

:02:51. > :02:54.the question not just of what happens, but in this case, there

:02:55. > :02:58.seems to have been some question marks over the evidence come and the

:02:59. > :03:02.placing of the minicab involved afterwards, and the role of the

:03:03. > :03:08.supposedly independent police complaints commission. There are

:03:09. > :03:13.still a lot of questions. It saddens everybody to say it, because any

:03:14. > :03:20.healthy democracy needs, does not just want, it needs a police force

:03:21. > :03:22.which is credible and which has universal trust across all

:03:23. > :03:28.communities, and even if you look, a completely separate case, but the

:03:29. > :03:33.Andrew Mitchell case, involving the former Conservative Cabinet

:03:34. > :03:36.Minister, that threw up early different questions about the

:03:37. > :03:42.credibility of the police. This is really a moment for all parties to

:03:43. > :03:46.grapple with police process, as much as what happens after an incident,

:03:47. > :03:50.regrettable as it is, about the killing of one person, but the whole

:03:51. > :03:57.process of engagement before and after. Interestingly, tonight,

:03:58. > :04:01.Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Met Commissioner, has come out and said,

:04:02. > :04:07.in the future, firearms policemen will work cameras on them when they

:04:08. > :04:11.go into these situations and incidents, so that there is video

:04:12. > :04:15.evidence. There is a feeling I think within the police that in the case

:04:16. > :04:19.of the Lee Rigby Woolwich murder, that because there was video

:04:20. > :04:24.evidence, the public could see very clearly what happened and how the

:04:25. > :04:28.police responded, and then you can have complete transparency. Whereas

:04:29. > :04:31.this is a case where an eyewitness says, he was holding up a mobile

:04:32. > :04:36.phone, the police said, we thought he was holding a gun. A gun emerges

:04:37. > :04:43.in the grass, did he throw the gun, was the gun placed there? It is the

:04:44. > :04:48.police's word against an eyewitness, and it does not give the family any

:04:49. > :04:53.piece. Yes, officers wearing cameras is something which happens in a very

:04:54. > :04:58.interesting report we have had this morning, where one US police officer

:04:59. > :05:03.was cleared, exonerated, because the video footage really showed him give

:05:04. > :05:08.a warning to the perpetrator, showed the perpetrator had a weapon, and

:05:09. > :05:13.the officer fired. That God forbid, if our police ever became anything

:05:14. > :05:16.close to the American gun culture, anybody who has ever been stopped

:05:17. > :05:22.driving a car in America, hands on the steering wheel, it is a very

:05:23. > :05:29.frightening, trigger-happy culture. The one silver lining on this or.

:05:30. > :05:34.The is that people remember, they can name the people killed in

:05:35. > :05:45.situations like this because it is so rare. I think the police want to

:05:46. > :05:51.improve transparency. They clearly have gone away with unease as well

:05:52. > :05:54.and recognised that really, there are still unanswered questions, and

:05:55. > :05:58.are going to try to change the process going forward. If you look

:05:59. > :06:02.at the figures for the last month,. And search in Tottenham and the

:06:03. > :06:07.surrounding borough, 686 cases of stop and search, which is double the

:06:08. > :06:12.month before, and apparently, if you are black, you are twice as likely

:06:13. > :06:18.to be stopped as a white person. This is in the middle of a campaign

:06:19. > :06:25.to ease stop and search. So, clearly, there are issues in dealing

:06:26. > :06:29.with suspects in the Tottenham area, and clearly, a big problem, and a

:06:30. > :06:34.big headache, in trying to improve police relations with the public.

:06:35. > :06:40.There is also an issue about dealing with gun crime and with gangs, and a

:06:41. > :06:44.note of sympathy for the police, they are dammed if they do and

:06:45. > :06:51.dammed if they don't. Stop and search seems by any standards to be

:06:52. > :06:54.an incredibly crude and invasive and publicly humiliating way of doing

:06:55. > :07:01.it. It would be great if there was a better way of doing it, in which you

:07:02. > :07:05.could really tackle gun crime and gang culture, that you have got to

:07:06. > :07:09.get right into the heart of communities. You can only do that if

:07:10. > :07:12.you have the trust of communities. Going onto the Daily Mail, mayhem at

:07:13. > :07:30.the High Court... And moving on to the Daily

:07:31. > :07:35.Telegraph... It is already becoming a bit

:07:36. > :07:43.politicised. You have got different towns in the way the different in

:07:44. > :07:48.the Daily Mail, he is a gangster. As John was saying, the political lines

:07:49. > :07:54.are dividing here. You have got Diane Abbott, the London MP in

:07:55. > :07:59.Hackney, who was branded irresponsible today, after she said,

:08:00. > :08:03.if they believed he did not have a gun in his hand when he was shot,

:08:04. > :08:09.how can they find it was a lawful killing? And David Lambie the MP for

:08:10. > :08:19.Tottenham, also raised some questions. The Daily Mail, for all

:08:20. > :08:23.what might -- one might think about the loose use of the term gangster,

:08:24. > :08:26.we should not forget, that was the paper that went out on a limb over

:08:27. > :08:31.the killing of Stephen Lawrence, and did not just go out on a limb

:08:32. > :08:37.journalistically, in effect changed a verdict and changed procedures.

:08:38. > :08:48.So, they have obviously done this advisory, put it that way. One other

:08:49. > :08:50.point in terms of the Duggan family, immediately in the aftermath of his

:08:51. > :08:55.death, the police did not go round to the house, his then girlfriend

:08:56. > :08:59.had to go to his mother to get a birth certificate so she could prove

:09:00. > :09:04.to the police that she knew him. You know, over two years, there must

:09:05. > :09:08.have been this tension building up where the family feel like they

:09:09. > :09:10.haven't been handled properly and then they have a verdict they

:09:11. > :09:16.disagree with. That is potentially quite explosive. Just a side issue,

:09:17. > :09:19.it is not just the police in this issue going to the press first.

:09:20. > :09:23.There have been recent incidents where the CPS go to the police first

:09:24. > :09:27.when it is a question of whether they prosecute somebody or not. You

:09:28. > :09:33.would think you would heal with the people involved first, whether they

:09:34. > :09:36.are victims, whether they are alleged perpetrators or whatever,

:09:37. > :09:41.before you start releasing information. That is one of the

:09:42. > :09:47.whole question around the leather is an inquiry. But that is for another

:09:48. > :09:52.time. Indeed. Interestingly, a trick you see a lot in the United States,

:09:53. > :09:59.prosecutors or whatever going to the press and setting out their stall

:10:00. > :10:04.ahead of a trial. We are going to stick with the Telegraph and talk

:10:05. > :10:09.about the coalition's legacy of rural harm, what is this about?

:10:10. > :10:15.Well, depending on your point of view, it is about nimbyism all

:10:16. > :10:21.legitimate concerns, if you live in the green belt, about rapacious

:10:22. > :10:26.development destroying communities, etc. We have the potential blight,

:10:27. > :10:33.or progress, depending on your point of view, of HS2, the high-speed link

:10:34. > :10:38.between London and the Midlands in the North. We have questions about

:10:39. > :10:44.wind farms. This is a senior figure in the Conservative Party, almost

:10:45. > :10:47.telling the Telegraph what its readers want to hear, that those

:10:48. > :10:52.people that live in the Home Counties are seriously worried about

:10:53. > :10:57.increased planning permissions for building in the green belt. Is this

:10:58. > :11:01.something that the coalition, or the conservative half of the coalition,

:11:02. > :11:03.should be worried about in terms of the election coming up and their

:11:04. > :11:12.core base, people in the countryside? This has been the kind

:11:13. > :11:15.of hands off our land thing has been a long-running Telegraph campaign

:11:16. > :11:18.ever since the Conservative led coalition set up what they call the

:11:19. > :11:24.National planning policy framework. What this was was an attempt to take

:11:25. > :11:28.hundreds of pages of planning regulation and streamline it, so you

:11:29. > :11:31.can actually get more community development through. The big stress

:11:32. > :11:39.for the Conservatives and the Lib Dems has been that this was not

:11:40. > :11:43.about building on green belt. What he is suggesting is that developers

:11:44. > :11:49.are getting clever barristers, etc, to kind of circumnavigate these

:11:50. > :11:56.checks and balances. There is some argy-bargy. There is a housing stock

:11:57. > :12:02.rises in the UK. 90% of the UK is not built on. George Osborne has

:12:03. > :12:07.done a help to buy scheme and flooded the mortgage market with

:12:08. > :12:10.money, so that people can buy homes. If we don't start building more

:12:11. > :12:16.homes, we are just creating another housing bubble. Yes, the Tories

:12:17. > :12:22.might have some problems in rural areas, with some voters who do not

:12:23. > :12:25.like these plans. Not so much so that they are worried about not

:12:26. > :12:30.doing it, because they recognise there is a bigger constituency of

:12:31. > :12:35.people that need houses. Lets go on to the Guardian. A high-profile foot

:12:36. > :12:43.wall has announced that he is gay. Thomas Hitzlsperger has told's he

:12:44. > :12:50.was told a big wave would crush on him if he made his sexuality

:12:51. > :12:55.public. There aren't actually many British or English footballers that

:12:56. > :12:58.have come out, only two, Justin Fashanu and Robbie Rogers. The

:12:59. > :13:10.suggestion is that there are many more and they fear coming out

:13:11. > :13:15.because of repressionrepercussions. I find it strange that footballers

:13:16. > :13:20.are scared of coming out as gay, when all of the polling shows that

:13:21. > :13:26.young people don't actually care. Have you been on the football

:13:27. > :13:31.terrace recently? That's the problem. And I met Chelsea

:13:32. > :13:37.supporter! Is this a particular football issue, or a sport issue? We

:13:38. > :13:46.had Tom Daley. He came out and that was OK. The odd rugby player, as

:13:47. > :13:50.well. We have to leave it there. We will get to Splash at 11:30. Coming

:13:51. > :14:06.up now is Sportsday. Hello and welcome to Sportsday. I'm

:14:07. > :14:10.Olly Foster, these are our headlines tonight. Halfway to Wembley - City

:14:11. > :14:16.hit West Ham for six in the League Cup semifinal first leg. Allardyce

:14:17. > :14:19.could be on his last legs. That's 11 conceded in two matches for the

:14:20. > :14:20.Hammers now. German