17/06/2014

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:00:20. > :00:25.Welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will bring us. I am

:00:26. > :00:26.joined by Bonnie Greer and the Deputy political editor of The

:00:27. > :00:32.Times, Sam Coates. And the Telegraph leads

:00:33. > :00:35.on what appears to be a reversal of medical advice for the taking of

:00:36. > :00:38.aspirin to prevent against strokes. The paper reports that

:00:39. > :00:40.a million people are being told not to take the medication if they have

:00:41. > :00:43.a particular heart condition. allows Britain's security service to

:00:44. > :00:48.spy on British people's Facebook The same story is on the front

:00:49. > :00:54.of the Daily Mirror, which reports that GCHQ argues that

:00:55. > :00:56.without 'mass surveilance' there wouldn't be 'adequate levels

:00:57. > :00:59.of intelligence'. are considered legally acceptable

:01:00. > :01:22.to monitor because the data it spied Cosmetic surgery on the front of the

:01:23. > :01:25.Daily Mail. According to the paper, Jeremy Hunt has said that the

:01:26. > :01:32.procedure should no longer be available on the NHS. We are going

:01:33. > :01:37.to start with the revelations on the front of the metro, revealing how

:01:38. > :01:43.GCHQ tracks your Internet use. What has happened is that the Home

:01:44. > :01:46.Office's head of security and anti`terrorist has submitted a 40

:01:47. > :01:49.page document to say what the UK does when it comes to monitoring

:01:50. > :01:55.your Twitter, Facebook and Google mail account. It is quite

:01:56. > :02:03.eye`catching stuff. They have said that they designate all of those

:02:04. > :02:07.companies, for example my Gmail account is designated a foreign

:02:08. > :02:12.entity which they feel gives them the right to go through it without a

:02:13. > :02:15.warrant at any time of their choosing. We know because of the

:02:16. > :02:21.disclosures from Edward Snowdon we have seen

:02:22. > :02:33.with a judge. The government says this is necessary in terms of

:02:34. > :02:38.terrorism. Why this is eye`catching is because a couple of years ago you

:02:39. > :02:42.may amend that we had a big debate about eight snooper 's bill, as it

:02:43. > :02:50.was called, that failed in the House of Commons `` a. There were many

:02:51. > :02:54.safeguards in it against them being able to go through people 's e`mail,

:02:55. > :03:04.such as the requirement to get a warrant if it was anything more than

:03:05. > :03:08.the basic data, what the e`mail was called and who it was between. They

:03:09. > :03:14.have admitted that they can go through anything without a warrant,

:03:15. > :03:17.which I find fairly surprising. Because of this loophole, many of

:03:18. > :03:24.the accounts are unregistered overseas, is that the idea? They are

:03:25. > :03:30.overseas. If you look at twitter, it will tell you the time in Silicon

:03:31. > :03:34.Valley that your Twitter message went out, that is their time. The

:03:35. > :03:38.government have found a loophole, and I'm sorry to be cynical, but

:03:39. > :03:45.GCHQ has been listening to us for years. So this has become a

:03:46. > :03:53.headline, because we are now aware of the communications, different

:03:54. > :03:58.sorts. Many people in the House of Commons don't understand social

:03:59. > :04:02.media, Facebook and Twitter. That's one of the big problems about why

:04:03. > :04:12.this has come up. This has been going on for years. The revelations

:04:13. > :04:18.from Edward Snowden left a lot of people underwhelmed. Is this going

:04:19. > :04:21.to have more traction because it is one of our people saying "we are

:04:22. > :04:26.sleeping from you and it is a loophole we can do with anybody"?

:04:27. > :04:31.There are age differences and different people take different

:04:32. > :04:37.attitudes. It is striking that in America they are having a robust

:04:38. > :04:42.debate about it. There is a written prostitution in America. We in

:04:43. > :04:51.Britain don't have a written constitution, there is a body of law

:04:52. > :04:56.that sits in the House of Commons. When the House of Commons makes a

:04:57. > :05:00.law, it is dealt with. We don't have that tradition. Americans would jump

:05:01. > :05:04.on this like crazy. It's an important story but we have to

:05:05. > :05:09.understand that in this country, this comes up. People won't

:05:10. > :05:13.understand what this is about because most people will say, they

:05:14. > :05:17.are listening to us anyway. I agree that it is horrible but how do you

:05:18. > :05:22.make people understand how terrible it is? You have to trust people that

:05:23. > :05:28.you can have a discussion about what is and isn't off`limits. The fear is

:05:29. > :05:33.that you are giving unfettered access to quite a large group of

:05:34. > :05:38.people. We don't trust the passport agency, how can we be sure that GCHQ

:05:39. > :05:42.is any better? I would like to know that the people who are watching and

:05:43. > :05:49.monitoring, the watchers, are doing this well. We are entitled to a

:05:50. > :05:55.debate, however sniffy politicians like to be about it. No truck with

:05:56. > :05:59.the argument that we had to have this surveillance, you see what's

:06:00. > :06:06.happening in Iraqi, many of these people are coming back here, we have

:06:07. > :06:09.two June in? `` we have to tune in. I'm not coming down on it

:06:10. > :06:14.definitively, why can't we have a debate and why are we not trusted on

:06:15. > :06:18.knowing what is going on? Of course I think it's a good idea but it is

:06:19. > :06:23.not a traditional idea, this is the problem. This is why there is going

:06:24. > :06:31.to be an issue. Most people will say, to use your argument... I am

:06:32. > :06:37.playing devils advocate! People are saying, how do we need to know what

:06:38. > :06:39.is going on. I bumped into a member of the intelligence and Security

:06:40. > :06:44.committee today, the watchdog who are meant to be watching over this

:06:45. > :06:47.and I said, do you think that the security services should have

:06:48. > :06:52.unfettered access without any checks to be able to go through anything

:06:53. > :06:57.and they looked at me and said "I cannot answer that question until we

:06:58. > :07:06.adopt a position." It worries me, the quality of the people we picked

:07:07. > :07:09.put to do this. I agree. The other people on the committee, I'm not

:07:10. > :07:17.sure they are the toughest we can have and that is it. In America they

:07:18. > :07:22.have a robust system. The Daily Mirror has the same story. " We are

:07:23. > :07:25.spying on your Facebook" your point is that the people who are meant to

:07:26. > :07:32.be overseeing this are much more security minded than civil liberties

:07:33. > :07:36.minded? In the House of Commons I can only think of three MPs who

:07:37. > :07:41.aggressively stand up to question this kind of stuff, Tom Watson, a

:07:42. > :07:46.Liberal Democrat, and David Davies for the Tory party. There are not a

:07:47. > :07:50.great body of people who want to argue about this and that is quite

:07:51. > :07:54.interesting. Someone who was not born here, I say that the fail`safe

:07:55. > :07:56.is the defence of the well`known that is where people go the end of

:07:57. > :07:59.the day. is the defence of the well`known

:08:00. > :08:04.that is where people go What Sam is asking for, and it is right, a

:08:05. > :08:10.change of culture, a cultural shift. A lot of what we're reading about is

:08:11. > :08:16.based on a piece of legislation, when these issues did not exist, the

:08:17. > :08:19.Internet was barely formed. A lot of case law has been built on that

:08:20. > :08:24.rather shaky foundation and there has not been any of the debate you

:08:25. > :08:28.would want to see. I don't understand the discrepancy but again

:08:29. > :08:33.we are told that terrorism trumps everything and we shouldn't ask any

:08:34. > :08:36.questions. It is the defence of the well`known that what has to be

:08:37. > :08:43.talked about and hopefully this will happen `` the defence of the realm.

:08:44. > :08:48.We found guilty of football match fixing conspiracy. I know that you

:08:49. > :08:56.are a big fan... This is a landmark case `` three found guilty. I don't

:08:57. > :09:02.pay attention to it! People are going to watch this because they are

:09:03. > :09:06.not watching the football. Here we have a story about football in

:09:07. > :09:11.trouble. What it is, the Telegraph is effectively patting itself on the

:09:12. > :09:17.back, some convictions of three people who appear to have been

:09:18. > :09:22.trying to do match fixing, trying to convince a low`level football player

:09:23. > :09:26.to throw some matches. It appears that the jury and the judge agreed,

:09:27. > :09:30.so well done to the Telegraph for exposing this. One detail that is

:09:31. > :09:36.missing, exactly how they planned to do it. I don't understand how you

:09:37. > :09:42.fix a football match, but football comes with a hefty smell which I'm

:09:43. > :09:45.sure people are trying to ignore, talking about this World Cup rather

:09:46. > :09:50.than the one in Qatar. Interesting that there are problems at every

:09:51. > :09:59.level. This is in some of the culture, this match fixing, so the

:10:00. > :10:04.Daily Telegraph has found this out. I question why they do this kind of

:10:05. > :10:11.thing. I think it is quite legitimate, corrupt football. OK,

:10:12. > :10:18.right. Aspirin cannot help 1 million heart patients, apparently. The

:10:19. > :10:22.received wisdom from the NHS was that the few aspirin can help some

:10:23. > :10:30.people but in some distances it has been a problem. We are in an era

:10:31. > :10:33.where health stories are going to be really big because the population is

:10:34. > :10:44.ageing and these stories are coming out. In some instances. It is

:10:45. > :10:49.apparently said that aspirin, but people with certain heart

:10:50. > :10:51.conditions, is now a bad thing. How are we supposed to read these sorts

:10:52. > :10:58.of things, if your doctor is telling you to do it? You don't get the

:10:59. > :11:03.information from your GP, you read about it and how are you supposed to

:11:04. > :11:06.deal with it? By close reading of the copy I don't think they are

:11:07. > :11:11.saying that aspirin is bad for you, they are saying that a new

:11:12. > :11:14.generation of drugs may be better. I think the broader point is quite

:11:15. > :11:19.clear, there has been endless and advice about the wonder drug and how

:11:20. > :11:24.it benefits all people over a certain age. I think there are mixed

:11:25. > :11:29.messages coming and let's be clear where the story is coming from, new

:11:30. > :11:31.guidelines from the National Institute for clinical excellence,

:11:32. > :11:36.the body to decide whether to hand out new drugs to the NHS. I think

:11:37. > :11:41.people have the right to feel a little bit confused. I think they

:11:42. > :11:49.are guilty of mixed messages. That was my point. The Daily Mail, Jeremy

:11:50. > :11:54.Hunt, the Health Secretary, banning cosmetic surgery on the NHS, that's

:11:55. > :11:59.the message he gave out. And the Daily Express, migrants playing for

:12:00. > :12:04.NHS. This coming out of a press conference given by Jeremy Hunt, so

:12:05. > :12:11.the papers have picked up the few leads. Jeremy Hunt appeared before

:12:12. > :12:15.the press gallery earlier today, there are the lobby lunches when

:12:16. > :12:18.they have a bite to eat and answer a few questions and give a speech. He

:12:19. > :12:25.spoke about how migrants are going to pay for the NHS and a possible

:12:26. > :12:32.ban on cosmetic surgery. We had a bit of an exchange in that question

:12:33. > :12:35.and answer session as well. In November, Jeremy Hunt gave an on the

:12:36. > :12:36.record interview to the times when he said

:12:37. > :12:41.record interview to the times when he that all GPs would have their

:12:42. > :12:44.salaries published. This closed, because some of them are pretty

:12:45. > :12:49.high. They few days later we see that the Department of Health have

:12:50. > :12:58.said that they might not do that `` disclosed. Today I asked him, were

:12:59. > :13:05.you telling the truth, although your officials, and he answered "both".

:13:06. > :13:15.And on the McCord interview with The Times, undermined by his answers

:13:16. > :13:19.today. `` on the record. If you read the story, Jeremy Hunt actually said

:13:20. > :13:23.it should no longer be available, so it isn't going to be a band, of

:13:24. > :13:29.course. For the Daily Mail it is their meat and drink. Also, drunks

:13:30. > :13:37.in accident and emergency don't deserve to be treated, it says. It

:13:38. > :13:44.is a bunch of speculation that has been turned into headlines. Maybe

:13:45. > :13:53.Michael Gove's wife is bidding for her husband to become the Health

:13:54. > :13:57.Secretary. He is leaving her? Oh, right! That is not happening! Thank

:13:58. > :14:16.you for joining us. At the top of the hour, the Sunni

:14:17. > :14:18.Muslim and concise is getting closer to Baghdad. Now it is time for the

:14:19. > :14:32.sports. I'm

:14:33. > :14:47.John Acres. Brazil draw a blank in game two, as Mexico keeper

:14:48. > :14:51.Ochoa keeps them at bay in a 0`0