:00:00. > :00:08.in Sierra Leone tests positive for Ebola. It is the first person from
:00:09. > :00:15.the UK known to have contracted the virus.
:00:16. > :00:22.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing
:00:23. > :00:25.us tomorrow. With me are Matthew Syed, who is a columnist for The
:00:26. > :00:29.Times and the broadcaster and campaigner, David Akinsanya.
:00:30. > :00:33.Tomorrow's front pages, starting with: The Mail on Sunday reports the
:00:34. > :00:36.decision to fly home the British charity worker, found to have caught
:00:37. > :00:42.Ebola, was signed off at the highest level. The Independent carries an
:00:43. > :00:44.interview with a Muslim former Army Officer, he says our country's
:00:45. > :00:51.leaders have failed the young people who head to the Middle East to fight
:00:52. > :00:54.for the Islamic State. The Sunday Telegraph says data shows the number
:00:55. > :00:56.of immigrants who vanish after being found with false passports is
:00:57. > :01:05.increasing ` causing problems for those trying to catch jihadist
:01:06. > :01:07.terrorists returning to the UK. The Observer claims diplomats in
:01:08. > :01:09.Washington are considering sanctioning airstrikes in Syria,
:01:10. > :01:13.targeting Islamic State militants. The Express warns that dozens of FBI
:01:14. > :01:30.agents are to be posted to UK airports to monitor returning
:01:31. > :01:35.Islamic fundamentalists. There are some common themes, one might say.
:01:36. > :01:41.Let's make a start. Good evening to you. We start with The Independent.
:01:42. > :01:51.This huge interview they have been doing with a former British army
:01:52. > :01:55.captain. This very much caught your eye. We are a similar age. This made
:01:56. > :02:01.me think of how things were in terms of racism when I was at school. I
:02:02. > :02:06.always felt as a black person that I was seen as less of a bad person by
:02:07. > :02:14.society than the Asian people. And we had the p`word flying about. I
:02:15. > :02:17.can almost understand why members of the community have gone within
:02:18. > :02:22.themselves. And why that particular community has become isolated. I
:02:23. > :02:27.think we were wicked and horrible to them, particularly during the 80s
:02:28. > :02:30.and 90s. I remember awful things happening to Asian people in the
:02:31. > :02:35.town where I grew up. And reading this and seeing these people, it
:02:36. > :02:40.makes me think it is about identity. These young people have got
:02:41. > :02:43.differences of opinion with the elders in their community. Again, we
:02:44. > :02:48.talk about whether there is a hierarchy within the Muslim
:02:49. > :02:54.tradition in this country. And who are they answerable to? You hear all
:02:55. > :02:58.the time that we have to talk to the community and have people within the
:02:59. > :03:02.community talking to the youngsters, to divert them away from this sort
:03:03. > :03:06.of stuff. Almost what I am saying is we have brought this on ourselves.
:03:07. > :03:10.It is interesting. You are making the point that society as a whole
:03:11. > :03:14.has been racist in its approach to parts of the Muslim community. But
:03:15. > :03:18.he said specifically that their own leaders have failed in engaging
:03:19. > :03:25.young people, and essentially, the says, have driven teenagers into the
:03:26. > :03:30.arms of Islamic State. There is some truth in that, but there is a major
:03:31. > :03:33.discussion to be had about the effect of an extreme perspective
:03:34. > :03:36.when it comes to religion. The idea of received truth. These people
:03:37. > :03:40.think that they have not just the right, but the duty to perceive
:03:41. > :03:46.anyone who doesn't subscribe to their very narrow view of Islam, as
:03:47. > :03:50.infidels. That is why you can't negotiate with them. Such an extreme
:03:51. > :03:55.and implacable set of opinions they have, that if we did reach a
:03:56. > :03:59.political consensus with ISIS and said we will give you this caliphate
:04:00. > :04:03.if you won't attack us, they will still attack us. They think they
:04:04. > :04:09.have been ordained by God with the monopoly of truth. While one can
:04:10. > :04:13.provide a wider social context for why certain British Muslims have
:04:14. > :04:17.gone into an extremist path, that doesn't explain the rise of
:04:18. > :04:21.extremism and Islam in the Middle East. And the fact that they want to
:04:22. > :04:25.perpetrate mass terrorism on the west is to me to do with the
:04:26. > :04:29.dangerous psychology of religious extremism. You have to confront that
:04:30. > :04:33.head on, you can't negotiate with it. But can you see why these young
:04:34. > :04:37.boys, with no identity, all with issues with their identity, as the
:04:38. > :04:42.black community did in the 80s and 90s, there were all sorts of people
:04:43. > :04:46.saying the only answer was this. There is an identity crisis with
:04:47. > :04:49.these guys, and maybe being involved in this makes them feel more Muslim.
:04:50. > :04:54.Do you understand? That is the only thing... The Mac think about how big
:04:55. > :04:57.a difference there is between the alienation which leads to gang
:04:58. > :05:00.culture and certain types of delinquency and the alienation
:05:01. > :05:04.combined with religious fundamentalism that leads to a
:05:05. > :05:10.desire to perpetrate mass atrocities on anyone who doesn't... It is
:05:11. > :05:16.scarier. How do we even begin to deal with that? Like I was saying to
:05:17. > :05:19.you, I remember years ago, I have done lots of documentaries in
:05:20. > :05:23.prisons. All of a sudden in the 1990s, I noticed a lot of Muslim
:05:24. > :05:27.boys in prison. And the numbers are up and up and up. It is about being
:05:28. > :05:31.in the group and feeling like you are not taking part in society.
:05:32. > :05:35.There is one very important point. The vast majority of Muslims in this
:05:36. > :05:40.country do not subscribe to the interpretation of the Koran which is
:05:41. > :05:43.that you are entitled to perpetrate atrocities on anyone who has
:05:44. > :05:55.committed up to see or anyone who doesn't subscribe. We must focus on
:05:56. > :05:59.extremists. We can't negotiate with these people because they use any
:06:00. > :06:03.concession to try and further their aims even more. I think
:06:04. > :06:06.understanding the psychology of extremism is very important in
:06:07. > :06:11.trying to determine what one does politically. I just feel at the
:06:12. > :06:14.moment that we haven't... The British political establishment has
:06:15. > :06:19.not got to grips with that yet. You are echoing him to some extent, as
:06:20. > :06:22.he is quoted as saying that politicians have lost their nerve.
:06:23. > :06:27.He says we need to come down more heavily on this. It is a difficult
:06:28. > :06:31.path for the politicians to tread, because of the race issue, people
:06:32. > :06:35.get very twitchy and don't want to look as though they are victimising
:06:36. > :06:39.certain people. It is like the stop`and`search within the black
:06:40. > :06:43.immunity. If it is targeted and appropriate and they are going for
:06:44. > :06:48.the right people, rather than a big net and trying to catch everybody,
:06:49. > :06:52.it has to be targeted. For what it's worth, I think that nobody, nobody
:06:53. > :06:56.from the moderate Islamic community or anyone like me from an ethnic
:06:57. > :07:01.minority, would have any problem with targeting extremist and being
:07:02. > :07:05.ruthless. Being strong and determined and having an aggressive
:07:06. > :07:10.policy. But what is terrible is when you lump everybody with round skin
:07:11. > :07:16.as Muslims, and every Muslim with extremism. That is a false
:07:17. > :07:26.comparison `` round skin. It leads us into the cartoon in the comment
:07:27. > :07:32.section `` brown skin. Really saying that these are the few, really, but
:07:33. > :07:36.what is so scary is that the emotion is so raw and powerful. We were
:07:37. > :07:42.talking before, our parents came from foreign places, and I'm not
:07:43. > :07:46.saying that I am overly in love with everything that has happened to me
:07:47. > :07:51.in this society, but I am British. When I go to Nigeria they call me
:07:52. > :07:55.English Boy. I know I am British, and I live here and have to make an
:07:56. > :08:03.effort like everyone else. Just one thing here. Hate. I think it is the
:08:04. > :08:07.right term. The deep profound paradox and irony is that they think
:08:08. > :08:11.they are motivated by love of God. That is the great tragedy. They
:08:12. > :08:16.think they are doing things in the name of a moral cause. It is a
:08:17. > :08:19.skewed, distorted, grotesque idea of what religion is about. That is
:08:20. > :08:24.really curious thing about the way they justify what they do. Going
:08:25. > :08:28.back to your original point, that is what makes it so hard to engage with
:08:29. > :08:32.it and to know how to tackle the whole issue. Moving on to the Sunday
:08:33. > :08:41.Telegraph. Not their main story but tucked away down the bottom, perhaps
:08:42. > :08:45.with links to this Tory in a way. The whole idea of how we deal with
:08:46. > :08:47.belief and what we make of it, whether it is extreme or not.
:08:48. > :08:52.British Christians we are hearing are forced to hide their beliefs. ``
:08:53. > :08:58.this story. An interview given to the Sunday Telegraph. Again, as a
:08:59. > :09:01.nonbeliever, as someone without a strong religion, you can look at
:09:02. > :09:04.these religious groups and organisations and it seems a bit
:09:05. > :09:09.crazy at the moment. At the rah people in jobs who, like registrars
:09:10. > :09:12.and Hotel owners and people on British Airways, who are trying to
:09:13. > :09:16.express their religion and have been knocked back. Some are hearing
:09:17. > :09:24.within the organisation, or whatever. What we are saying is that
:09:25. > :09:30.politicians especially should not be afraid of doing God. Very effective
:09:31. > :09:33.in America, I'm not sure how effective it would be here. They
:09:34. > :09:43.don't appreciate religion here as much as Americans do. Long it is
:09:44. > :09:48.unusual here. Dominic Reeve is always quite balanced in how he
:09:49. > :09:51.approaches these issues. He talks about the exclusion of Christians
:09:52. > :09:56.here, very apocalyptic language. He draws the comparison with Christians
:09:57. > :10:00.in Iraq with appalling scenes of Christians being beheaded. Honestly.
:10:01. > :10:04.What is he talking about? We have freedom of religion in this country.
:10:05. > :10:09.We are very tolerant of each other. I happen to be an atheist and I
:10:10. > :10:12.express views that Christians would not agree with, but we live in
:10:13. > :10:17.harmony. There are bishops in the House of Lords. They are an
:10:18. > :10:20.established church. I think even to refer in the same sentence to
:10:21. > :10:28.Christians, what they are facing here, and I know that if you are in
:10:29. > :10:31.a B and you don't want to have a gay couple come and stay it may feel
:10:32. > :10:34.an affront to you that you are forced to do so by law, I think
:10:35. > :10:36.that's actually a good thing, because otherwise you will be using
:10:37. > :10:42.religion to discriminate against people in a way which I think is
:10:43. > :10:45.unfair. We try and wave religious freedom against other values. To
:10:46. > :10:55.compare it with the Middle East is frankly ridiculous. `` try and weigh
:10:56. > :11:03.religious freedom. Moving onto the Sunday express. Their lead story.
:11:04. > :11:07.The FBI to guard UK airports. The idea of having American experts to
:11:08. > :11:13.come in and help out at our borders perhaps. It made me laugh, we talked
:11:14. > :11:16.about the lack of border controls in this country, but it is laughable to
:11:17. > :11:22.think that the Americans don't trust us. When you read this, this is what
:11:23. > :11:29.you think... They think we are making a mess of it. And we are soft
:11:30. > :11:33.and so forth. Having said that, it is three initially at ten in the
:11:34. > :11:36.future. But they are talking about following up and homing in on people
:11:37. > :11:41.they already know of. They say they have advanced monitoring
:11:42. > :11:43.capabilities and terrorist tracking and identification techniques which
:11:44. > :11:49.have been tried and tested. Do you know what? Ring it on. If they can
:11:50. > :11:53.help, if they can help us, links into the front page of the Sunday
:11:54. > :12:01.Telegraph, which is that 2700 people who came in, legal immigrants,
:12:02. > :12:07.absconded, and remain at large. `` bring it on. And when you consider
:12:08. > :12:14.that these might be motivated to carry out mass terrorism, if the FBI
:12:15. > :12:19.can help, great. On the one hand, the practical help might be good if
:12:20. > :12:24.they have different skills, but if the politicians allow it, it can
:12:25. > :12:33.look as though we are making a hash of it. Many watching would think we
:12:34. > :12:38.haven't got control of our borders, and something needs to be done. Not
:12:39. > :12:42.quite such an unpronounceable volcano this time in Iceland,
:12:43. > :12:48.potentially going to cause trouble, perhaps not as much as 2010. The
:12:49. > :12:50.aviation industry is an impressive one in the way it thinks about
:12:51. > :13:01.safety. Good protocols to learn to accidents, blackbox data, reform
:13:02. > :13:05.protocols, the ergonomics of cockpits, a healthy attitude to
:13:06. > :13:09.failure. And not to my surprise at all, but the aviation authority has
:13:10. > :13:15.said since 2010 they have done a couple of things. The one, they have
:13:16. > :13:20.contingency plans if there is a volcano, so there is less
:13:21. > :13:25.disruption. Also better monitoring of whether cloud may go to. So they
:13:26. > :13:29.can ensure that it doesn't enter aircraft engines. It is a good
:13:30. > :13:37.contingency plan, one hopes, and given the rigour with which they
:13:38. > :13:41.deployed in most other areas, I'm confident. There have been changes
:13:42. > :13:45.to how much you can legally fly through, as there was concern in
:13:46. > :13:54.2010 that the levels were set wrongly.
:13:55. > :14:01.A lovely picture here of this woman. Who was she? She is a lady who has
:14:02. > :14:07.offered a stranger one of her kidneys. We think that's a wonderful
:14:08. > :14:12.thing. I said to you... She says one of the reasons she is doing it, she
:14:13. > :14:16.didn't have children. If she isn't going to give life, she wants to
:14:17. > :14:21.save a life. Many people do good things. I had a social worker who
:14:22. > :14:25.didn't have children, so she decided to commit herself to social work.
:14:26. > :14:29.It's so important when we talk about the dark side of humanity that we
:14:30. > :14:40.recognise that all of us have the ability for altruism. Many people
:14:41. > :14:43.give blood, many people volunteer. I could become a sportsman because
:14:44. > :14:48.somebody gave up their time night after night to coach me. What a
:14:49. > :14:53.totally ridiculous, shallow celebrity culture we can have. Let's
:14:54. > :14:57.celebrate genuine heroes who do things that are great out of
:14:58. > :15:09.benevolence. I applaud this woman. Good for you. We have named Shakhter
:15:10. > :15:19.more than once! Good on her. `` name checked her. Thank you, Matthew Syed
:15:20. > :15:27.and David Akinsanya. Gives you a flavour of what we've got to come.
:15:28. > :15:30.Stay with us here on BBC News. At midnight, the UN warns that 20,000
:15:31. > :15:33.people in a town in northern Iraq face the threat of massacre by
:15:34. > :15:58.Islamist militants. But coming up next, The Film Review.
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