:00:00. > :00:00.pressure Josey Mourinho's Chelsea side were playing coming off the
:00:00. > :00:22.back of a fifth defeat of the season. That is all coming up in
:00:23. > :00:24.Sportsday after The Papers. A Warm Welcome To Our Look Ahead To The
:00:25. > :00:28.Papers Tomorrow Morning. Our guests joining me tonight are
:00:29. > :00:31.France 24 journalist Benedicte Paviot and the author and sports
:00:32. > :00:34.writer for the Times, Matthew Syed. Many
:00:35. > :00:55.of the front pages are already in. The natural leads with that story of
:00:56. > :00:58.the mother and her son who are recovering after the boat accident
:00:59. > :01:03.in Canada. The Daily Telegraph here. The Financial Times says the
:01:04. > :01:08.personal details of more than 600,000 customers were stolen from
:01:09. > :01:13.British companies last year. I am highlighting the weaknesses -- the
:01:14. > :01:19.highlighting the weaknesses in the wake of the TalkTalk incident. The
:01:20. > :01:23.cap at times, access the paper has been given to the GCHQ headquarters
:01:24. > :01:27.in Cheltenham. The express leads with new research
:01:28. > :01:34.that suggests cutting out sugar can boost your health in only ten days.
:01:35. > :01:42.And the Independent features a picture from this year 's Army
:01:43. > :01:45.photographic competition. Let's kick off, then. The big story, as
:01:46. > :01:49.opposed, Benedicte, has been this defeat for the Government in the
:01:50. > :01:53.House of Lords and all sorts of constitutional questions that that
:01:54. > :01:57.raises, really, about whether the Lords should be able to overturn
:01:58. > :02:02.something the Commons, the elected chamber, agreed on. The Telegraph is
:02:03. > :02:06.talking about William fix coming up -- William Hague coming up with a
:02:07. > :02:10.quick fix to stop that happening again. The war, really, between the
:02:11. > :02:18.Government and the House of Lords. As you say, one is elected and we
:02:19. > :02:22.had an election and know there is a majority Conservative Government,
:02:23. > :02:25.and we have had certainly a war of declarations and counter
:02:26. > :02:28.declarations today. Almost another defeat this evening for the
:02:29. > :02:33.Government, narrowly avoided. Really, it comes down to the fact
:02:34. > :02:37.that there has been a convention, a parliamentary act, 104 years ago,
:02:38. > :02:41.and that this is not being respected. The House of Lords is a
:02:42. > :02:46.reviewing chamber. It is not supposed to be a blocking chamber,
:02:47. > :02:50.and what the Conservatives are clearly accusing the House of Lords
:02:51. > :02:54.of doing is that they are acting as a blocking chamber and this needs to
:02:55. > :02:58.be really changed as quickly as possible. It is interesting William
:02:59. > :03:06.Hague did not vote last night because there are so many lords who
:03:07. > :03:09.need to take their seats that he is scheduled for the end of November so
:03:10. > :03:13.that is one he did not take part in. That would have been an extra vote
:03:14. > :03:18.as we know what way that would have gone. Matthew, the problem for the
:03:19. > :03:22.Government is that they are arguably using the wrong tactics to get this
:03:23. > :03:26.through the Lords. Because it was not a financial measure, the Lords
:03:27. > :03:30.were able to block it. If it had been a financial one they would not
:03:31. > :03:34.have been able to. This is about the constitution and even if you are
:03:35. > :03:38.against these savage cuts to working tax credits which I have to say I am
:03:39. > :03:43.it is ludicrous for unelected peers and bishops to be rejecting a
:03:44. > :03:47.central plate of the Government. Why have the second chamber at all in
:03:48. > :03:51.that case? It should be a revising chamber. It should not be seeing no
:03:52. > :03:57.altogether. There is something central to the Tory picture. They
:03:58. > :04:00.would argue they are a revising it but are just taking it back to the
:04:01. > :04:06.Commons for George Osborne to have another say. -- another thing. The
:04:07. > :04:13.knot. They are trying to rejected. The deep irony, -- the Ahronot. The
:04:14. > :04:18.deep irony is this could benefit the Conservatives. They said they are in
:04:19. > :04:22.support of hard-working families, that catchphrase. I think this is
:04:23. > :04:25.shaping up into another poll tax and this, the fact the Lords have
:04:26. > :04:29.rejected it, it gives George Osborne another chance to soften the blow,
:04:30. > :04:34.change the bill, but say this is not a U-turn, the Lords have forced me
:04:35. > :04:39.to do it. Let's look at the Guardian. George Osborne ready to
:04:40. > :04:48.change pact on tax credits. He said he was in listening mode, I think it
:04:49. > :04:50.was, so it seems he was kind of bracing himself for a bit of a
:04:51. > :04:56.softening anyway. Know his hand has been forced. There is even some talk
:04:57. > :05:00.about some pressure on Mr Cameron to sack the Conservative Leader of the
:05:01. > :05:04.House of Lords. I do not know if that will happen. Here,
:05:05. > :05:07.interestingly, in the Guardian, they are saying George Osborne wants to
:05:08. > :05:14.lessen the impact of these tax credit cuts possibly by lowering the
:05:15. > :05:20.target of delivering ?10 billion surplus by 2019, 2020. I would think
:05:21. > :05:23.there are some lights burning this evening in the Treasury because
:05:24. > :05:28.apart from the political showdown and the embarrassment of this
:05:29. > :05:33.defeat, whether a constitutional crisis, the implications etc, there
:05:34. > :05:36.is a lot of bad blood and as Matthew was saying this is an elected
:05:37. > :05:41.Government being stopped from... Although, Matthew, this was not
:05:42. > :05:44.something explicitly in the Conservative Party manifesto. That
:05:45. > :05:49.is the argument. If you are speaking about democratic procedure, if you
:05:50. > :05:57.like. It was not just not in the manifesto, but the Prime Minister
:05:58. > :05:59.said, I think on the BBC, we have no plans whatever to register working
:06:00. > :06:04.familiess' tax credit. But George Osborne today. And the timing was
:06:05. > :06:07.interesting that he was in answering questions the morning after the
:06:08. > :06:13.night before, but the fact of the matter is he said the definition was
:06:14. > :06:18.known. They knew what direction the Government was travelling in, the
:06:19. > :06:22.Conservative Government. It was a change after the election. There is
:06:23. > :06:26.no doubt they want to get into surplus so I think there are some
:06:27. > :06:32.argument in favour of that. It was a very large surplus. I think that is
:06:33. > :06:37.a smart move. Saying we will reverse our decisions on inheritance tax,
:06:38. > :06:43.they are... They have not been paying people enough. We will move
:06:44. > :06:50.on to the FT. We had the whole TalkTalk cyber attack. The FT said
:06:51. > :06:55.600,000 UK customers' data has been stolen, and put up for sale on the
:06:56. > :07:03.dark web, this underworld Internet, all scary stuff. It sounds terribly
:07:04. > :07:07.sinister, doesn't it? This number of 600,000 identities have not been
:07:08. > :07:12.stolen from companies in the UK alone in 2014. That came from the
:07:13. > :07:16.information security company and at the beginning when I saw that I was
:07:17. > :07:20.slightly suspicious, I have to say, because they are trying to sell
:07:21. > :07:25.products that protect security but this number has actually been backed
:07:26. > :07:29.by Government officials. The overall number of people whose identities
:07:30. > :07:35.were hacked worldwide in 2014, 300 50 million. What worries me is that
:07:36. > :07:39.big companies you trust with your personal details are not
:07:40. > :07:45.sufficiently savvy to protect that from often youthful people -- 350
:07:46. > :07:48.million. Youthful people who seem to understand this particular area of
:07:49. > :07:53.the dark web better than security experts, but what about others?
:07:54. > :07:56.Firewalls, downloading all of this. I think it is difficult for people
:07:57. > :08:01.to keep up and even if you do the new product will be circumvented by
:08:02. > :08:10.sophisticated hackers, this is an arms race. Let's move on to the
:08:11. > :08:15.Times. Reviewing what David Cameron will be saying. I think he is going
:08:16. > :08:20.to Iceland, is it? He is speaking about the European union and is
:08:21. > :08:24.explicitly, you know, talking about the cost to Britain if we were to
:08:25. > :08:29.leave the EU. It will cost money and influence. It will. What is
:08:30. > :08:34.interesting is that although David Cameron has said he would not give
:08:35. > :08:38.anyone a running commentary and we know, we expect more detail in
:08:39. > :08:41.November, and that has been requested by other EU countries, to
:08:42. > :08:48.really see which particular areas, what are the specific demands of the
:08:49. > :08:51.Conservative Government, this Norway and Switzerland example has always
:08:52. > :08:54.been given but the fact of the matter is they are not at the table
:08:55. > :08:59.making decisions. They have to abide by that and they actually have to
:09:00. > :09:02.take on, for example, more migrants. So the people who think, Ukip, who
:09:03. > :09:09.think this will be the answer to all kinds of problems, it is
:09:10. > :09:12.interesting, I think, to see the Prime Minister who will be
:09:13. > :09:19.positioning himself coming out now, starting to see... He is starting
:09:20. > :09:26.his campaign to stay in. Yes, but Downing Street are also saying, just
:09:27. > :09:30.a moment, a spokesperson, saying that if what is obtained in this
:09:31. > :09:34.renegotiation is not enough he still reserves the right to recommend for
:09:35. > :09:38.Britain to leave the EU. I do not know how the Prime Minister's blood
:09:39. > :09:42.pressure is but if he reads the Daily Express cutting out sugar is
:09:43. > :09:48.the quickest way to lower it. Matthew, are you a sugar consumer? I
:09:49. > :09:54.have some sugar... You have to cut it out. But it is then processed
:09:55. > :09:58.foods, coffee, or most everywhere -- not just in copy but although the
:09:59. > :10:04.place. This is part of a wider issue, I think. Every day, reading,
:10:05. > :10:09.particularly in the Express, it has to be said, health stories, and they
:10:10. > :10:16.change every so often -- change so often. It is so difficult to assess
:10:17. > :10:24.because it goes from 0.01520.018 if you have a bacon sandwich each week.
:10:25. > :10:32.-- zero .015 20.018. We are all going to die. Are you sure? I think
:10:33. > :10:39.we often become too scared about sugar. These are scary stories. The
:10:40. > :10:47.solution is don't eat and that is a no no. I am glad you have sugar in
:10:48. > :10:55.your latte because that is what I have. Just the one? Yes. The Daily
:10:56. > :10:59.Telegraph speaking about rows, and saying men should get angry to win a
:11:00. > :11:04.robot women should keep their cool. That sounds rather sexist, isn't
:11:05. > :11:08.it? That is one conclusion. I think that is just plain wrong. Don't
:11:09. > :11:13.think anybody wins an argument by either raising their voice or by
:11:14. > :11:18.shouting. Persuasion is by far the better way to go. Let's put this to
:11:19. > :11:40.the test. I think you're absolutely wrong.
:11:41. > :11:45.That wasn't shouting. You report on conflicts but you don't like
:11:46. > :11:48.confrontation? Yes, that's the best way. Thank you very much indeed
:11:49. > :11:52.Benedicte and Matthew. We will see you again at half past 11. Thank you
:11:53. > :11:57.for the time being. We will be back at 11pm for all the top stories
:11:58. > :12:01.making the news tomorrow. Stay with us on BBC News tonight. At 11 we
:12:02. > :12:05.will look at the Government review into those powers of the House of
:12:06. > :12:08.Lords we were speaking about, and it accusations from Downing Street that
:12:09. > :12:12.the peers overreached themselves last night when they defeated those
:12:13. > :12:19.proposals on tax credits. Coming up next on BBC News, it is time for
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