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:00:00. > :00:00.rugby union to rugby league. And action from the IPC and world

:00:00. > :00:07.gymnastics championships in Sportsday in 15 minutes after the

:00:08. > :00:13.papers. -- World Gymnastics Championships.

:00:14. > :00:16.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

:00:17. > :00:19.With me are the Daily Mirror columnist, Susie Boniface,

:00:20. > :00:22.and the executive editor of the Huffington Post, James Martin.

:00:23. > :00:31.The Independent has a story that police have used powers

:00:32. > :00:34.under the Terrorism Act to seize the laptop of a BBC Newsnight

:00:35. > :00:42.journalist who's been investigating Western born Jihadists.

:00:43. > :00:45.The Financial Times looks at a review calling for a third

:00:46. > :00:47.of all board seats at Britain's biggest companies to be held

:00:48. > :00:53.The Metro says job advisers are to be based in food banks

:00:54. > :00:58.across the country after the idea was tried out in Manchester.

:00:59. > :01:01.The Telegraph is one of several front pages to show a picture of

:01:02. > :01:04.Prince Harry laughing with Michelle Obama at the end of a basketball

:01:05. > :01:10.Ministers ignored repeated warnings on the finances of the charity

:01:11. > :01:12.Kids Company according to the Guardian's front page.

:01:13. > :01:15.The Times leads on revelations by Sepp Blatter that England's bid

:01:16. > :01:18.to host the football World Cup in 2018 was always doomed because

:01:19. > :01:21.of a secret deal to award the tournament to Russia.

:01:22. > :01:25.And the Express says the police have run out of clues as they scale back

:01:26. > :01:38.And the Daily Mail's front page shows a crowd of marines who rallied

:01:39. > :01:41.outside Parliament demanding a retrial for a Royal Marine who

:01:42. > :01:45.was convicted of murdering a wounded Afghan insurgent.

:01:46. > :01:55.So, many papers reporting on this boy who was stabbed to death in

:01:56. > :01:59.school. The Daily Star pretty much devoting its whole front page to it.

:02:00. > :02:04.It is always shocking, isn't it? You've got to remember how rare it

:02:05. > :02:10.is in this country. Although we've had lots of high-profile crimes

:02:11. > :02:16.committed in schools, sometimes why by pupils, it is a rare occurrence,

:02:17. > :02:21.compared with America where students are killed quite often. We have to

:02:22. > :02:24.remember that a good thing. And also, our response to this is a lot

:02:25. > :02:31.more in format and measured as well. If there had been a shooting in

:02:32. > :02:34.America they would be people calling for all people in school, parents,

:02:35. > :02:41.teachers and students, all to be armed with guns -- more informed.

:02:42. > :02:46.Here is someone who has been tragically stabbed in school. No one

:02:47. > :02:49.is yet suggesting knife scanners and pat downs. We don't know what

:02:50. > :02:55.happened and no one is going to suggest everyone gets a nice. They

:02:56. > :02:59.were ten years ago with the stabbing ten years ago. The father is still

:03:00. > :03:02.campaigning for that. This is what a lot of parents who have lost

:03:03. > :03:06.teenagers to knife crime will start saying in the next few hours. They

:03:07. > :03:11.will speak to the papers and say that we have to do more to stop

:03:12. > :03:16.teenagers carrying weapons. S absolutely and the head of police

:03:17. > :03:20.got it right when he used the words shocking and extraordinaire, because

:03:21. > :03:29.it is in Britain. Especially in Aberdeen. -- absolutely. It's not

:03:30. > :03:32.uncommon for it to happen in the US. It lays bare how silly the argument

:03:33. > :03:36.is that the best way of getting crime is to arm more people. As you

:03:37. > :03:43.say, if this happened in the states, and it was a gun, people

:03:44. > :03:48.would say, we need more guns. This response in the UK is much more

:03:49. > :03:52.measured. We are rightfully not saying we need security officers

:03:53. > :03:56.armed with knives. You are right about the idea about airport

:03:57. > :03:59.scanners. It comes up time and again. This is a shocking and

:04:00. > :04:05.extraordinary incident, as the local police chief says. To try to put in

:04:06. > :04:09.an airport scanner in every school. In that is so shocking and

:04:10. > :04:13.extraordinary, it is not financially feasible. There are lots of ways,

:04:14. > :04:18.unfortunately, to kill someone if you want to. It seems to be a

:04:19. > :04:22.penknife in this case. You can use implements knocking around school

:04:23. > :04:27.quite easily. You can't stop every tragedy. We don't know the full

:04:28. > :04:32.details around this stabbing incident, but what we know is that

:04:33. > :04:36.teenagers carry knives, sometimes without wanting to abuse them. I

:04:37. > :04:39.carry a knife, I have a penknife in my handbag at all times because it

:04:40. > :04:47.has a handy screwdriver and tweezers. She was just using it.

:04:48. > :04:52.That is why you are carrying it. Technically it is an offensive

:04:53. > :04:59.weapon. A policeman could arrest me. In the US, it is undoubtedly a

:05:00. > :05:05.problem, with gun crime there, and I wouldn't argue that people in the UK

:05:06. > :05:09.don't think we have a knife crime problem. I would rather knife crime

:05:10. > :05:13.than gun crime. You can't really have collateral damage with a nice.

:05:14. > :05:18.A lot of officers will say the hardest thing to find is a knife

:05:19. > :05:24.rather than a gun. I fancy my chances against a knife rather than

:05:25. > :05:32.a gun. We can try it out later, I've got one in my handbag. Ministers

:05:33. > :05:37.ignored repeated warnings on Kids Company. We've heard it before. More

:05:38. > :05:42.detailed in the Guardian though. Reports that Labour and conservative

:05:43. > :05:51.ministers have given Kids Company ?50 million over years despite

:05:52. > :05:55.warnings to be cautious. They seemed to have intervened to overrule

:05:56. > :05:59.officials when they've raised problems and there was at no point a

:06:00. > :06:02.competitive process to apply for the grants, which happens with every

:06:03. > :06:07.other charity. If the government doesn't demand a charity that gets

:06:08. > :06:10.public money behaves in a responsible manner, then it is

:06:11. > :06:16.expected that charity will do whatever it likes. The government

:06:17. > :06:21.got what it asked for. It wasn't applying the rules it does for other

:06:22. > :06:26.charities, why was this one special? It gives credence to what everybody

:06:27. > :06:30.was saying, especially when it was found out that Kids Company had

:06:31. > :06:34.received ?3 million in five days before it was declared bankrupt,

:06:35. > :06:38.that this organisation had a spell on the likes of David Cameron. Not

:06:39. > :06:42.because they were doing a great job? Absolutely, and don't forget

:06:43. > :06:46.the victims are those that were using the services and they are not

:06:47. > :06:50.getting help, what has happened to them? These are the forgotten

:06:51. > :06:53.victims in this incident, which has essentially become a political row.

:06:54. > :06:59.They are collateral damage and we shouldn't forget that. The Daily

:07:00. > :07:03.Express dedicate his page to the development of lack of development I

:07:04. > :07:09.suppose regarding Madeleine McCann. Police have run out of clues -- or

:07:10. > :07:12.lack of. This is a story about the fact that the Met Police are cutting

:07:13. > :07:18.down the amount of officers involved. Extraordinary numbers, ?11

:07:19. > :07:22.million had been spent on this investigation, you are talking about

:07:23. > :07:27.1300 statements that have been taken, 1000 recorded exhibits, 9000

:07:28. > :07:32.interviews, 60 sightings. Eight years later, not a single arrest.

:07:33. > :07:38.They have been quite a few arrest but no charges. You can understand

:07:39. > :07:44.why... No Madeleine. That is the important thing. I covered the story

:07:45. > :07:49.when she disappeared in 2007. I was therefore brief while. If she had

:07:50. > :07:53.been found, wherever she might be now, if she is alive, she would be

:07:54. > :08:00.11, on the cusp of adolescence, turning into a young woman. Whenever

:08:01. > :08:04.she comes up in public discussion, especially on social media, a lot of

:08:05. > :08:07.people criticise the parents. If anyone is thinking about that, I

:08:08. > :08:11.would like them to stop and think how it must feel to have your child

:08:12. > :08:16.disappear into a currently thin air at the age of three, and eight years

:08:17. > :08:21.later find the police haven't run out of clues, they have less to look

:08:22. > :08:26.at, but it is being downgraded. She would be 11 years old. We still

:08:27. > :08:30.don't have any evidence, no hair, no trace, no sighting, and that must be

:08:31. > :08:36.devastating for anyone involved. Interesting to note, the spokesman

:08:37. > :08:39.still saying Kate and Gerry are not giving up. There has been another 2

:08:40. > :08:45.million given to the investigation for the officers to continue. It

:08:46. > :08:52.isn't coming out of the net's budget. They have some clues but I

:08:53. > :08:56.think we are waiting for aid miracle -- Met's budget. Moving onto the

:08:57. > :09:02.Daily Telegraph, MI5 on hacking. Tell us more about this. I am not

:09:03. > :09:09.surprised. You know... Why would you be? We've been told this has

:09:10. > :09:16.happened. Absolutely. Two aspects to this, planning mass attacks on

:09:17. > :09:20.Britain. I am not surprised. MI5 is hacking ISIS and people associated

:09:21. > :09:26.with ISIS. Yes, it's not only the bad guys that do hacking. Good guys

:09:27. > :09:31.hack as well. Wouldn't you expect security services, with the huge

:09:32. > :09:34.numbers, and it is interesting that four fifths of MI5's agency numbers

:09:35. > :09:41.are working on terrorism related issues. You would expect that these

:09:42. > :09:44.guides asked trained in terms of technical surveillance, going into

:09:45. > :09:49.the depths of computers -- guys. As we might see in the Independent, if

:09:50. > :09:52.they are trying to access journalists' computers, surely they

:09:53. > :09:57.are looking at the computers and data from a terrorist as well. We

:09:58. > :10:02.are not just looking at well-organised, large cells or large

:10:03. > :10:07.groups of people, it can be an individual who has been radicalised

:10:08. > :10:13.and born into the ideology. That is the central threat of this current

:10:14. > :10:18.kind of terrorism we've got. Unlike the IRA, from the 70s and 80s, there

:10:19. > :10:23.isn't an overarching organisation, there isn't a structure, which you

:10:24. > :10:26.can infiltrate. These are small cells of radicalised people often

:10:27. > :10:31.sent off to invent something by themselves. What's interesting is

:10:32. > :10:35.Andrew Parker is director of the security services and he is saying

:10:36. > :10:39.there is more instruction coming from Islamic State from Syria,

:10:40. > :10:41.people in contact with people here. There is perhaps more they structure

:10:42. > :10:46.developing and therefore it is harder to track down. If they were

:10:47. > :10:49.not hacking computers and mobile phones terrorists, I want to know

:10:50. > :10:54.what the hell we were spending our money on, to be honest. Does it give

:10:55. > :10:57.police the right to do what the Independent reports on the front

:10:58. > :11:07.page, police using laws to confiscate the laptop of a Newsnight

:11:08. > :11:15.producer who has been in in touch with terrorist in the UK stock -- in

:11:16. > :11:19.the UK. Are we doing policing right that we have to seize the computer

:11:20. > :11:25.of a journalist who is doing his job to get the intelligence useful to

:11:26. > :11:31.security. In the public interest. Absolutely. A source who is not a

:11:32. > :11:35.confidential source. These people have gone to fight for ISIS are not

:11:36. > :11:41.exactly in deep cover. These people are surfacing in social media, they

:11:42. > :11:44.are on Twitter, SnapChat, WhatsApp. Should we go to the extent where we

:11:45. > :11:49.are seizing the laptops of journalistic? This is lazy police

:11:50. > :11:53.work, asking the BBC Two research for them when it is so easy to find.

:11:54. > :12:01.We should be glad they are not hacking the journalists' computers

:12:02. > :12:05.from far -- BBC to research. If you are speaking to a jihadist plotting

:12:06. > :12:09.attacks against the UK, to be honest, who is using Newsnight for

:12:10. > :12:13.propaganda purposes. He has already appeared. He has done that to

:12:14. > :12:18.provoke fear and terror. You think it is a message? To be honest, if I

:12:19. > :12:22.was that journalist, to save my laptop, which has information about

:12:23. > :12:25.thousands of other stories I might want to access, I think in the

:12:26. > :12:30.interest of my journalism it would be better to try to keep hold of a

:12:31. > :12:34.laptop. This person is plainly a criminal, plainly not operating in

:12:35. > :12:37.anybody's best interest but his own and the Islamic State, and is not a

:12:38. > :12:44.confidential source, and he is easy to track down, I would give MI5 the

:12:45. > :12:47.information. I wouldn't wait for them to get a warrant. It would be

:12:48. > :12:51.easier to give them the info. As the BBC points out, the editor of

:12:52. > :12:54.Newsnight, we wouldn't stand in the way of a police investigation but we

:12:55. > :12:58.wouldn't do the work of the police. There is a line that shouldn't be

:12:59. > :13:02.crossed. And you have the feeling that he was going through the

:13:03. > :13:05.motion. The police had to apply for a warrant to get access to the

:13:06. > :13:12.computer for a court order. That is fine. Ian Katz isn't going to say

:13:13. > :13:15.no. You can't stand on principles at all times. There are occasions when

:13:16. > :13:21.journalists have info that would help the police. Especially if there

:13:22. > :13:24.is a victim. It is not unusual for the police to contact journalists

:13:25. > :13:29.and ask for help. Usually we did it because it is not a problem. In this

:13:30. > :13:32.instance they stood on a principle and I think, personally, because

:13:33. > :13:36.they've taken away a laptop with more information on it, there is no

:13:37. > :13:42.reason not to have given him up earlier. Great publicity for

:13:43. > :13:49.Newsnight and even better for the fantastic young journalist.

:13:50. > :13:54.Fantastic producer. The Times newspaper, well, when you read the

:13:55. > :13:59.headline, secret Fifa deal ruined World Cup bid. Not too many would be

:14:00. > :14:04.surprised by the headline. Who is it coming from? Sepp Blatter. He has

:14:05. > :14:08.started throwing people under the bus. He is facing two criminal

:14:09. > :14:12.investigations on two consonants. He is stepping down as the head of

:14:13. > :14:18.Fifa, which he has been in charge of Fifa, which he has been in charge

:14:19. > :14:24.for he is tucking his cohort and his heir apparent, Michel Platini, off

:14:25. > :14:31.the back of a coach. Although they had agreed to give the World Cup to

:14:32. > :14:34.rush out and then America, it was screwed up because Platini went for

:14:35. > :14:39.lunch with Sarkozy who had been at lunch with guitar and they gave it

:14:40. > :14:42.to Qatar instead. The corruption that Sepp Blatter may or may not

:14:43. > :14:46.have been in charge of didn't work well because Nicolas Sarkozy could

:14:47. > :14:51.laugh it up -- Qatar. Is that the best type of corruption, the fact

:14:52. > :14:54.that it didn't work! Yeah! It doesn't mean that if I talk about

:14:55. > :14:59.taking over the BBC that it will happen. Britain spent ?21 million

:15:00. > :15:02.when all we had to do was take Nicolas Sarkozy to lunch, so they

:15:03. > :15:06.should be an audit on what we spend the money on. And more demands to

:15:07. > :15:12.have the money paid back. Let's just finished the papers tonight with the

:15:13. > :15:15.peak of Prince Harry and Michelle Obama in Virginia, in the US to

:15:16. > :15:19.promote the Invictus Games for injured soldiers, to be held next

:15:20. > :15:24.year in Florida. Clearly getting on and clearly very happy with his work

:15:25. > :15:29.as well. And doing a good job, which is rare for a royal! And looking

:15:30. > :15:33.very happy too. Enjoying what he is doing. Thank you for taking us

:15:34. > :15:37.through the papers. We had a lot of stories to cover. We will be back

:15:38. > :15:39.the same time tomorrow. Coming up next on BBC News, all of the latest

:15:40. > :15:48.sport in Sportsday. Our headlines tonight:

:15:49. > :15:55.Manchester United are knocked out They're beaten on penalties

:15:56. > :15:58.by Championship side Middlesbrough