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:00:10. > :00:12.bests and four world records they have peaked at the right time. That

:00:13. > :00:19.is all the sport for now. Here is Gavin Esler with The Papers.

:00:20. > :00:24.morning edition of The papers. With me are Sian Griffiths, Education

:00:25. > :00:27.Editor for the Sunday Times and Mike Walters, Sports Correspondent for

:00:28. > :00:33.pictures of some of the 25 children who died in the plane crash in

:00:34. > :00:36.Egypt's Sinai. But it leads with the suggestion that ministers have

:00:37. > :00:40.U-turned on tougher school tests in the face of teaching union

:00:41. > :00:45.opposition. The Observer leads with the government's internet

:00:46. > :00:49.surveillance plans - it says the Home Secretary has been forced to

:00:50. > :00:53.backtrack. The Mail's focus is the Iraq War - it claims that ministers

:00:54. > :00:56.at the time were told to 'burn' a top-level document questioning the

:00:57. > :00:59.legal basis of the conflict. The Sunday Telegraph carries a picture

:01:00. > :01:04.of Prince Harry handing the Rugby World Cup to New Zealand's captain

:01:05. > :01:14.after his side's historic victory over Australia .And finally - the

:01:15. > :01:16.Express leads with so-called Islamic State terrorists claiming

:01:17. > :01:19.responsibility for the crash of the Russian passenger jet - that that

:01:20. > :01:33.killed 224 people. So let's begin...

:01:34. > :01:48.Did Islamic Cammack state shoot down the airliner? The evidence appears

:01:49. > :01:52.to say no but they have claimed it. But is not a ridiculous

:01:53. > :01:58.inconceivable thing for them to say and the crash site with the plane

:01:59. > :02:04.landed is in an area which is absolutely infested with insurgent

:02:05. > :02:10.groups linked to Islamic State and I know the authorities are saying it

:02:11. > :02:16.is not them that it will make people in the West very nervous about going

:02:17. > :02:20.to Egypt. Egypt is the pivotal country in the region and the one

:02:21. > :02:26.which most Arab people look up to two see how things are going there

:02:27. > :02:32.and any bad news for Egypt as bad news for the whole area. It is bad

:02:33. > :02:36.news for humanity and were talking about changing 24 lives gone like

:02:37. > :02:43.that and 25 of them children. 300 people convened in a hotel at St

:02:44. > :02:46.Petersburg airport who thought they were going to meet the mums and dads

:02:47. > :02:50.are sons and daughters of brothers and sisters of a nice flight from a

:02:51. > :02:55.family holiday in the sun and what they must be going through now is

:02:56. > :03:03.unimaginable. They will be wondering not only what happened and why it

:03:04. > :03:07.happened and Islamic State claims of responsibility have been initially

:03:08. > :03:13.dismissed by Russian and Egyptian authorities but the plane came down

:03:14. > :03:18.with the Nadir allegedly infested with insurgent groups and until we

:03:19. > :03:21.get definitive answers those 200 people and more will be nervous

:03:22. > :03:29.about the causes of the crash. Eyes-mac 300 people. We are told how

:03:30. > :03:35.statistically safe air travellers and it is statistically safe but we

:03:36. > :03:40.also see the airliner shot down over Ukraine and the German wings crash

:03:41. > :03:46.and it does raise questions about how safe their travel really is. You

:03:47. > :03:51.consider a number of cases this year of planes coming down and I think

:03:52. > :04:00.more and more rewarding Sabine were issued -- more and more warnings are

:04:01. > :04:07.being issued. There was a warning in March to avoid flying over the Sinai

:04:08. > :04:12.Peninsula below 26,000 feet. Three major airlines have already said it

:04:13. > :04:18.will not fly over that part of Egypt, Lufthansa Emirates and Air

:04:19. > :04:21.France. They have decided that as a no-go zone until the cause of the

:04:22. > :04:28.crash is been determined. You have a great story on the front page of the

:04:29. > :04:31.Sunday Times, Tories in school test U-turn. This is a very interesting

:04:32. > :04:37.story about the government and parents and kids and the stress of

:04:38. > :04:40.tests. I have two kids of my own who are in their 20s now and I'm glad

:04:41. > :04:44.they are not going through the system at the moment. This is all

:04:45. > :04:47.about tough new tests and assessments for primary school

:04:48. > :04:51.children in England. There are likely to be some scrapped as Nicky

:04:52. > :04:56.Morgan on Tuesday will announce a review into all the testing of

:04:57. > :04:59.premier school pupils. At the moment the baseline assessment is at five

:05:00. > :05:04.and that is another teacher assessment at seven and then at 11

:05:05. > :05:08.they face externally marked tests and as with a lot of annoyance and

:05:09. > :05:11.uncertainty and stress caused by this framework which the government

:05:12. > :05:15.has been trying to put in place that can measure the progress of children

:05:16. > :05:19.between five and 11 to make sure that schools are doing enough to

:05:20. > :05:27.teach them properly and the National union of teachers threatened to

:05:28. > :05:33.boycott the tests at five and I think this is Nicky Morgan being

:05:34. > :05:36.reeling practical -- really practical saying that the framework

:05:37. > :05:39.does not seem to be working so through it all back into the pot and

:05:40. > :05:42.let's have another look at it and it is very interesting that the review

:05:43. > :05:48.group she will announce on Tuesday is absolutely packed with

:05:49. > :05:52.headteachers. It's a practical or is it brave? Some newspapers will not

:05:53. > :05:55.take that view and it was a it is typical and we should test their

:05:56. > :06:00.children to death because that is the other will be find out if they

:06:01. > :06:05.are working. I think it is both practical and brave because the Tory

:06:06. > :06:10.right love testing and Michael Gove and Nick Gibb want these tests and

:06:11. > :06:18.the idea that they are you turning a perpetual toting -- that they are

:06:19. > :06:30.you turning our capitulating to the unions is anathema to them. I think

:06:31. > :06:33.as a parent you want them to enjoy learning. You want them to achieve

:06:34. > :06:40.that you want them to enjoy going to school. I moved my family into a

:06:41. > :06:45.county where they do not do and 11 plus exam simply because I did not

:06:46. > :06:49.want my children's feature determined by one single exam and I

:06:50. > :06:53.think the concept of testing kits at five and seven and 11 as an absolute

:06:54. > :06:58.nonsense and if this is a victory of sorts for trade unions then let's

:06:59. > :07:07.hear it for the foot soldiers of the trade unions who are foot soldiers

:07:08. > :07:11.of common-sense. It is the easy thing for politicians to do to set

:07:12. > :07:14.standards and set tests and it is more difficult for Nicky Morgan to

:07:15. > :07:18.say we will not do this because actually what we want is for

:07:19. > :07:23.standards to be driven up by good teaching which presumably means a

:07:24. > :07:27.good morale in the schools. By doing this I think she's trying to get

:07:28. > :07:30.headteachers on board. You have to get all you people going with it and

:07:31. > :07:39.that is how you drive things forward and I think that the sensible. I

:07:40. > :07:48.think creating legions of stressed out screwed up kids is not good.

:07:49. > :07:55.This is the third week in a row that has been at Tony Blair related Iran

:07:56. > :08:01.war article. Ministers were told to destroy secret evidence showing the

:08:02. > :08:07.Iran war was illegal. Bombshell revelation piled fresh pressure on

:08:08. > :08:19.Blair over Chilcott probe. What do you make of this? --Chilcot. Until

:08:20. > :08:25.the enquiry is published, hopefully in our lifetime, they will keep on

:08:26. > :08:35.going on about it. It is alleged that officials were told to burn the

:08:36. > :08:46.rabble dash-macro relevant correspondence. This suggests to me

:08:47. > :08:55.that the case for war and whatever is perhaps a little bit flawed. When

:08:56. > :08:59.a lawyer tells you this could be challenged to core is like a lawyer

:09:00. > :09:03.telling you the sun will come up in the morning. That is what lawyers

:09:04. > :09:11.do. Is that any meat on this? I feel I already knew part of the story and

:09:12. > :09:16.we knew there were two opinions. Ten days later Lord Goldsmith apparently

:09:17. > :09:21.changed his mind and said that the war is legal but apparently there

:09:22. > :09:35.was this other opinion he had come up with ten days earlier, allegedly.

:09:36. > :09:41.Since it has all come out anyway, I think the Chilcott report will never

:09:42. > :09:47.come out! We are still waiting for those weapons of mass destruction.

:09:48. > :09:54.Don't hold your breath on that! Now, snooping on internet use. This

:09:55. > :10:00.climb-down is just spin according to civil libertarians. On the one hand,

:10:01. > :10:06.we want security services to protect us but on the other we are not keen

:10:07. > :10:11.on them reading our emails. Another climb-down? Surely not! The balance

:10:12. > :10:15.between the snooping charter and the police's right to know what we are

:10:16. > :10:19.up to, especially in the fight against terrorism, it is not an easy

:10:20. > :10:25.line for them to tread, and North of the Government in terms of

:10:26. > :10:33.legislation. I don't know if this is a full-scale U-turn so much as one

:10:34. > :10:36.or two concessions here and there. I think they are talking about

:10:37. > :10:40.dropping contentious proposals from the investigatory Powers bill,

:10:41. > :10:46.catchy title! Due to be published in draft form next week. They are

:10:47. > :10:52.expected to bar police from accessing browsing histories on the

:10:53. > :10:55.internet. And companies will not be banned from encrypting sensitive

:10:56. > :10:59.material. I personally cannot see that either of those two things will

:11:00. > :11:03.necessarily hinder the fight against terrorism and that is basically what

:11:04. > :11:09.this bill is about, let's be honest. I agree, actually. This is about

:11:10. > :11:15.making some concessions to get the bill through, and it is being

:11:16. > :11:19.published on Wednesday. And it is a difficult balance, incredibly

:11:20. > :11:23.difficult. We want secret services to do everything they can to catch

:11:24. > :11:27.terrorists but against that, if you are private individual, the idea

:11:28. > :11:32.that people are looking at your internet history, that they have

:11:33. > :11:37.access to everything you do online, that is frightening. I am not sure

:11:38. > :11:42.that these concessions, you know, will actually go far enough in terms

:11:43. > :11:49.of my own feeling that I want my Civil Liberties to be protected. Who

:11:50. > :12:01.want them to look at somebody else's emails? Is the Government

:12:02. > :12:05.nervous with a majority of 12 with strong-minded backbenchers on this

:12:06. > :12:09.issue, for example David Davis, and also what might happen in the Lords,

:12:10. > :12:13.given that the Lib Dems have opposed them on an unrelated issue recently?

:12:14. > :12:19.In other words, they could be defeated on this very issue. I think

:12:20. > :12:22.that is right and there could be more concessions coming as the bill

:12:23. > :12:31.goes through Parliament to keep more people on board. The head of a Civil

:12:32. > :12:35.Liberties group says this is just a spin and people will be pushing for

:12:36. > :12:38.more concessions. This so-called snooping charter is bill was blocked

:12:39. > :12:43.by Nick Clegg in the coalition Government, so it is very sensitive.

:12:44. > :12:46.You hit the nail on the head. The Government only have a majority of

:12:47. > :12:51.12 and they had problems with tax credits last week so they have got

:12:52. > :12:55.to tread carefully to make sure they do not stumble into a vote where

:12:56. > :12:59.they get defeated, not good news for the Government. I thought there was

:13:00. > :13:03.a good story in the business pages. Crisis in care homes World War

:13:04. > :13:13.problems in the steel industry. It is talking about -- will dwarf

:13:14. > :13:16.problems in the steel industry. It is talking about local authority

:13:17. > :13:23.funding dropping and what we will do when they get old and we need help.

:13:24. > :13:30.It touches a lot of people? Everybody that grows old! There are

:13:31. > :13:36.startling factoids in this spread. The average age of the entire UK

:13:37. > :13:42.population is now 40, which puts a spring into a step of a 52-year-old

:13:43. > :13:48.who felt old at six o'clock this morning! And UK care homes look

:13:49. > :13:53.after 400,000 elderly people in this country. To me, that sounds like a

:13:54. > :14:01.tiny percentage of a population of 65 million people. It suggests that

:14:02. > :14:04.we are talking into a care crisis further down the line. We are

:14:05. > :14:08.sleepwalking into a diabetes crisis because of the overweight people in

:14:09. > :14:14.the country. We all grow old but we do not all get fat. It is quite an

:14:15. > :14:18.interesting story. It does actually hint at a large-scale problems

:14:19. > :14:25.further down the track. I was really struck by this, because we all want

:14:26. > :14:31.to grow old with dignity but that might cost a lot personally and to

:14:32. > :14:34.the country. And there are interesting statistics in there. The

:14:35. > :14:40.number of people aged over 65 will increase by more than 40% in the

:14:41. > :14:43.next 17 years. We have this time bomb, an avalanche of people coming

:14:44. > :14:49.through, and it looks like there will not be care homes available to

:14:50. > :14:54.house them. Let's cheer ourselves up! I thought the best news of the

:14:55. > :14:59.last 24 hours was the rugby and the Triumph that the Rugby World Cup has

:15:00. > :15:03.been. Not for the home nations. Let's hear it for a World Cup final

:15:04. > :15:10.with a record number of points scored. Over 50 on aggregate. Let's

:15:11. > :15:13.hear it for a World Cup final where Prince Harry hands over the Webb

:15:14. > :15:21.Ellis Trophy to a deserving team. But it was not England! Knocked out

:15:22. > :15:26.a month ago. And not Scotland, knocked out by a referee!

:15:27. > :15:29.Congratulations to the All Blacks, now claiming to be the greatest

:15:30. > :15:35.rugby team in history having retained the World Cup. And

:15:36. > :15:40.Australia. When they were down, at half I thought there was not much

:15:41. > :15:44.point watching, but they really rallied. A spectacle deserving of

:15:45. > :15:50.the tournament as a whole and a terrific final. Are you a fan? Yes,

:15:51. > :15:56.I like it, but it kept the menfolk in my life happy for the weekend.

:15:57. > :15:59.You have got the pictures on the front page with Harry handing the

:16:00. > :16:04.Webb Ellis Trophy to the All Blacks captain. But I actually like this

:16:05. > :16:12.picture on the front page of the Mail on Sunday. Two fans. Yes, Mr

:16:13. > :16:19.Murdoch and his new partner Jerry Hall at the World Cup final.

:16:20. > :16:29.Australian fans. Although Mr Murdoch is an American citizen. Two US

:16:30. > :16:34.citizens, actually. It was a great event, wasn't it? Record TV

:16:35. > :16:42.audiences, sometimes 90,000 people watching it live and in the

:16:43. > :16:44.stadiums, no trouble. Even in the provincial outposts like Exeter and

:16:45. > :16:51.Gloucester and Milton Keynes, the grounds were full, the support was

:16:52. > :16:54.passionate, there was a great spectacle and some great stories.

:16:55. > :17:00.Japan beating South Africa early in the tournament was a terrific hit

:17:01. > :17:05.for the underdog. A terrific spectacle and it was a fantastic

:17:06. > :17:10.party. Well done to the rugby football union for staging it. Just

:17:11. > :17:16.a shame that the hosts and indeed all the home nations... The

:17:17. > :17:20.semifinals were an exclusively southern hemisphere domain. But it

:17:21. > :17:24.does not take anything away from the fact the two best teams in the

:17:25. > :17:31.tournament reached the final and put on a final worthy of it. Thank you

:17:32. > :17:34.very much. Sian Griffiths and Mike Walters. Just a reminder that we

:17:35. > :17:38.looked at the newspapers every evening at 10:30pm and 11:30pm every

:17:39. > :17:40.evening on BBC News.