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:00:12. > :00:16.We will be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment.

:00:17. > :00:19.First the headlines at 11:30pm: High security on the streets of Paris

:00:20. > :00:21.tonight, as new footage emerges of police exchanging fire with

:00:22. > :00:25.Prosecutors confirmed 129 are dead and 350 injured, many critically.

:00:26. > :00:36.Eight gunmen wearing suicide vests targeted half a dozen venues.

:00:37. > :00:38.Seven of the gunmen blew themselves up.

:00:39. > :00:44.David Cameron says Britain's terror threat remains at severe level, but

:00:45. > :01:11.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

:01:12. > :01:20.With me are French-Algerian journalist Nabila Ramdani,

:01:21. > :01:22.Robert Fox, defence editor for the London Evening Standard,

:01:23. > :01:38.and joining us from our Paris bureau is France 24's Leela Jacinto.

:01:39. > :01:45.Tomorrow's front pages, starting with some of the French papers.

:01:46. > :01:53.Sorrow and Anger is the headline on Le Figaro.

:01:54. > :01:56.Liberation has a dramatic front page.

:01:57. > :02:01.It has publishing a special edition about the events in Paris.

:02:02. > :02:03.In the British papers, the Sunday Telegraph has a striking

:02:04. > :02:09.picture of people hanging out of windows to escape the attackers.

:02:10. > :02:11.The Observer focuses on the investigation into those

:02:12. > :02:15.behind the attacks, saying three people have been arrested.

:02:16. > :02:18.The Daily Mail claims the attackers entered Europe as fake refugees.

:02:19. > :02:21.The Sunday Express says the SAS is on the streets of London,

:02:22. > :02:33.The Sunday Times has pictures of the first victims to be named, including

:02:34. > :02:36.Briton Nick Alexander, who worked for the band playing at the Bataclan

:02:37. > :02:50.And the Independent asks "how did it happen and what happens next?"

:02:51. > :02:58.They are questions many of the newspapers try to find the answers

:02:59. > :03:03.to as well. Let's go to Paris. Many of the French newspapers really have

:03:04. > :03:09.had their first proper opportunity to digests what happened in Paris,

:03:10. > :03:23.and react and ask those questions. And the -- Le Figaro focusing on

:03:24. > :03:29.those questions. What is really striking is how different these

:03:30. > :03:40.attacks were to the Charlie Hebdo attacks. The slogan, Je Suis

:03:41. > :03:47.Charlie. It is a very defiant spirit here. If you see Le Figaro, which

:03:48. > :03:54.has a right of centre newspaper, the lower the sorrow and anger, there is

:03:55. > :03:58.we will win the war. So that is a theme that I am seeing this time

:03:59. > :04:06.that I didn't really see after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Is how

:04:07. > :04:10.newspapers like Le Figaro are reporting on the events of Paris, is

:04:11. > :04:15.that changing as well? Is there a different tone? No, on the reporting

:04:16. > :04:21.it has been pretty straightforward. All of Saturday they were... You

:04:22. > :04:23.know, most of the news was driven by information coming from police

:04:24. > :04:28.sources, which was actually confirmed later this evening when

:04:29. > :04:35.the Paris prosecutor had a press briefing. So, you know, it has been

:04:36. > :04:41.very much focused on what happened. And of course, a lot of victims

:04:42. > :04:46.stories. Because this is a part of Paris that... Paris is not a very

:04:47. > :04:53.large city, so it has touched a lot of Peruvians. What do you make of Le

:04:54. > :04:59.Figaro? So many British papers focus on the investigations, the reactions

:05:00. > :05:04.-- Parisians. We will get on to the British papers at the moment, Le

:05:05. > :05:11.Figaro very much focusing on the grief. Indeed, it is a very

:05:12. > :05:15.passionate editorial, it has to be said, and a very belligerent

:05:16. > :05:20.headline. The nation at war. It goes into how France was lured into this

:05:21. > :05:23.false sense of security after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, and now with

:05:24. > :05:27.these attacks happening again on a much wider scale, basically the

:05:28. > :05:34.editorial argues that France have to wake up, and they paint a picture, a

:05:35. > :05:39.very dramatic picture, of a clash of civilisations, basically, between us

:05:40. > :05:45.and them. The abomination of the so-called Islamic State, and the

:05:46. > :05:48.defence of French values and western values. And they argue that if we

:05:49. > :05:56.are to defeat those evils, we are not going to achieve that with

:05:57. > :06:00.slogans, tweets, marches in central Paris, or confronting them with

:06:01. > :06:06.secular values. We have to be... You know, a bit more belligerent than

:06:07. > :06:09.that. So already, French newspapers, less than 24 hours after the

:06:10. > :06:13.attacks, very different to last time, we are starting to ask very

:06:14. > :06:18.provocative questions about where do we go. Is it worth it? Should we

:06:19. > :06:22.continue to get more involved? What are the politicians discussing right

:06:23. > :06:32.now? Liberation has a very striking front page. Very powerful, very

:06:33. > :06:41.stark. No text at all. And it is black. The editorial is interesting

:06:42. > :06:46.in several respects in Le Figaro. It uses war. It takes Francois Hollande

:06:47. > :06:53.at his word and says we are going to make war. It has a rather chilling

:06:54. > :06:57.line, this army of criminals, which we now know that commanders are

:06:58. > :07:01.abroad and we must attack them. Interestingly, its international

:07:02. > :07:07.edition emanates from Paris as well. The New York Times has been

:07:08. > :07:10.taking up much the same line. Very strange reporting in the afternoon

:07:11. > :07:14.edition today. I have been looking at an online saying, now is the time

:07:15. > :07:21.to really get serious about the attack on Islamic State in Syria, in

:07:22. > :07:28.Iraq, I have just been on Channel Five live arguing with the former

:07:29. > :07:33.director of the CIA, saying go in and bash them, that is the way we

:07:34. > :07:39.have been weak about the air operation and I made the point vet

:07:40. > :07:44.to him, which I make in this, in military terms this is saying there

:07:45. > :07:53.is a centre of gravity, if you pull it apart the whole thing falls

:07:54. > :07:58.apart. You can hit Islamic State in Mosul, in Raqqa, and that's it. What

:07:59. > :08:04.we have learnt from this and the weak's events, the terrible attacks

:08:05. > :08:11.in Baghdad, on soft targets in Beirut. It isn't as easy as that, it

:08:12. > :08:14.isn't as easy as taking out two or three capitals, provincial centres

:08:15. > :08:19.on the ground. Although they are an important part of the story, as we

:08:20. > :08:23.will discover. What do you think people in Paris want to see? Do they

:08:24. > :08:27.want to see Liberation with the roses they are and the very black

:08:28. > :08:30.and respectful front page, or do they want to hear from the

:08:31. > :08:34.politicians? What are they discussing, what are they going to

:08:35. > :08:39.do about this? I don't think they want to hear from the politicians. I

:08:40. > :08:44.think they are sort of terrified about when... And it surely will,

:08:45. > :08:49.this issue will get politicised. For now, the politicians are rallying

:08:50. > :08:51.together. Francois Hollande is going to be addressing Parliament on

:08:52. > :08:57.Monday. Everyone is making the right noises but this will surely become

:08:58. > :08:59.politicised. When we first started getting reports that there was a

:09:00. > :09:05.Syrian passport discovered on the scene, you know, there was alarm

:09:06. > :09:13.among some of my French colleagues, of Algerian origin, because does

:09:14. > :09:17.this mean that Marine Le Pen... Is the next target going to be the

:09:18. > :09:27.migrants now? I just want to get your reaction to the Mail on Sunday

:09:28. > :09:31.here in the UK. It's focus is very much on how the Islamic extremists

:09:32. > :09:36.got into Paris, how they got there, and their headline is Paris jihadis

:09:37. > :09:41.got in as fake refugees. What is the strength of feeling about the

:09:42. > :09:46.migrant crisis? About Borders? Of course, it is difficult. Because if

:09:47. > :09:49.you are going to protect your borders, you do at the Islamic

:09:50. > :09:54.extremists want you to do, and lose your freedom. I am large the French

:09:55. > :09:59.are committed to the European Union and to the spirit of the European

:10:00. > :10:03.Union, and you know, they did not take to David Cameron's speech last

:10:04. > :10:08.week very well. There is really a sense of shock. Mind you, there is a

:10:09. > :10:15.state of emergency in Paris right now, which we haven't seen for a

:10:16. > :10:20.decade. Not much really being said, as far as I can tell, on the

:10:21. > :10:25.borders. People just seem to take it as a given. That security measures

:10:26. > :10:32.have to be tightened. We were already in a state of alert after

:10:33. > :10:37.the Charlie Hebdo attacks and people seem to be accepting that security

:10:38. > :10:41.is going to be tight right now. Did you see many headlines like that

:10:42. > :10:44.even before the attacks? Were their reports about how dangerous the

:10:45. > :10:49.migrant crisis could be for security? Well, that depends on

:10:50. > :10:56.which paper you read. Liberation certainly not all stop a bit like

:10:57. > :10:59.here. We do know, and the Daily Mail goes into this, that we have heard

:11:00. > :11:05.from Greece saying that they believe it is highly likely at least one of

:11:06. > :11:10.the gunmen could have got into France via Greece. We do know that a

:11:11. > :11:16.Syrian passport was left near the bodies of one of the gunmen. I think

:11:17. > :11:18.that kind of story was always going to be inevitable, that you have a

:11:19. > :11:24.link between what is to be inevitable, that you have a

:11:25. > :11:27.link between what -- what has happened in Paris and the wider

:11:28. > :11:35.political situation, across Europe as it were. So... But they are

:11:36. > :11:39.conflicting reports about what the Greeks are actually saying. It is

:11:40. > :11:43.all apparently still based on claims, and if I may put it that

:11:44. > :11:52.way, the probability, the conclusion is not that conclusive. One of the

:11:53. > :11:58.inside headlines, secret cargo, jihadis bound for Britain as well.

:11:59. > :12:08.But if you read the text on the other papers, like the Sunday Times,

:12:09. > :12:15.one of the leaders came from the district from which the Kuwachi

:12:16. > :12:18.brothers came. There is something Indigenous about this. It is

:12:19. > :12:23.interesting that the papers get into the entrails of this. This is a

:12:24. > :12:28.very, very difficult and extremely complex case. It is both domestic

:12:29. > :12:34.and global. It does have referenced. In one of the best pieces I have

:12:35. > :12:36.read by a friend which just came up, I'm sure there are other interesting

:12:37. > :12:43.and insightful pieces which I haven't yet scanned is Patrick

:12:44. > :12:48.Cockburn's excellent piece in the Independent. It says what is old and

:12:49. > :12:56.what is new about it. Very simply, he makes the point... We are in

:12:57. > :13:01.total agreement, he said what is new about this is the sophistication of

:13:02. > :13:12.the mounting of the attack. This was kamikaze attack rather like mom by,

:13:13. > :13:16.the attack on the hotel district in 2008 -- Mumbai. The attackers were

:13:17. > :13:20.expendable. Once they got out of their vehicles, which is another

:13:21. > :13:25.story, exactly what vehicles did they get out of and all that, but to

:13:26. > :13:29.get all that gear into the right place at the right time with the

:13:30. > :13:35.reliability that somebody was going to do that dreadful stuff in the

:13:36. > :13:39.concert hall, this is the really interesting one, in the concert

:13:40. > :13:43.Hall, and going around the four restaurants and firing off a

:13:44. > :13:47.magazine or two each time, getting back in the car and then going on,

:13:48. > :13:53.tells you a hell of a lot about the lack of surveillance on Paris

:13:54. > :13:58.streets. And there is another almost made description which comes up in

:13:59. > :14:02.two or three of the papers of one of the attackers allegedly trying to

:14:03. > :14:10.get into the stadium when the match was already on, and more or less

:14:11. > :14:14.security on the gate says go away, they had spotted something. They had

:14:15. > :14:18.spotted the suicide vest, allegedly, and there were several accounts of

:14:19. > :14:23.this. He steps back, blows himself up, they hear it inside the stadium

:14:24. > :14:28.and the match goes on. It is very, very odd indeed. And then they

:14:29. > :14:34.hustle the President out of the stadium. Was he the target? It could

:14:35. > :14:39.have been so much worse. It is bad but it could have been so much

:14:40. > :14:42.worse. I'm not criticising the journalism, which has been

:14:43. > :14:46.excellent. You or I or three or four of us will have been only these

:14:47. > :14:50.rolling stories web hit after bit after bit on the canvas is very

:14:51. > :15:00.rich, and it is very complex -- where it after bit. And the

:15:01. > :15:04.Independent says we are struggling to nail down what is old and new

:15:05. > :15:09.about it but the man who actually nails it is Patrick, Patrick

:15:10. > :15:15.Cockburn says that the Islamic State is now going for soft targets. And

:15:16. > :15:19.the Independent not just asking what happened, but what happened next.

:15:20. > :15:24.That is what every one is talking about as well. Absolutely, and that

:15:25. > :15:28.is why I slightly disagree that the French don't want to hear about it

:15:29. > :15:33.from politicians. What the front page here is doing is putting on a

:15:34. > :15:37.very sombre front page the emphasis on grief and morning, and respect

:15:38. > :15:44.for the dead. But the next step is surely for the government to answer

:15:45. > :15:49.questions -- mourning. You know, how did that happen? Can we know more

:15:50. > :15:53.about it? And as it stands, the investigation remains very sketchy

:15:54. > :15:56.indeed. It is all based on claims, allegations, and at this stage I

:15:57. > :15:59.would be very suspicious about the kinds of things that are presented

:16:00. > :16:06.as facts, like the Syrian passport which seems to be planted next to a

:16:07. > :16:10.body. We have seen that in the case of the Charlie Hebdo attacks with

:16:11. > :16:13.the brothers, and one of the brothers had forgotten his identity

:16:14. > :16:15.card in the car. I think we have to take all these clues with a bit of

:16:16. > :16:29.caution. World leaders are now discussing

:16:30. > :16:33.military action against Islamic State. For many people in Paris

:16:34. > :16:37.tonight, they might not want more military action. They have already

:16:38. > :16:42.felt what that might lead to. But it might increase the feeling of a lot

:16:43. > :16:50.of people that we need to be more involved. Is that the kind of thing

:16:51. > :16:53.you are hearing in Paris? That there should be more military action that

:16:54. > :16:57.there should be? Frans is very active in the fight against the

:16:58. > :17:18.hardest groups, whether it is in North Africa... -- France. Whether

:17:19. > :17:24.it is Boko Haram... The French are used to be very robust military

:17:25. > :17:29.involvement. They are raising their eyebrows that a socialist president

:17:30. > :17:34.like Francois Hollande seems so much more gung ho than his US and British

:17:35. > :17:40.counterparts on the Syrian tragedy. Like many people, they tend to think

:17:41. > :17:45.after all these years, what are we doing with the rebel partners that

:17:46. > :17:48.we have and that we cannot really trust? There is not really an

:17:49. > :17:53.appetite for military involvement but there is a numbers ending that

:17:54. > :17:59.France is a big player, a big military player, on the

:18:00. > :18:03.international stage. The Times Takes it back to how people are feeling

:18:04. > :18:10.and how they are reacting right now, while papers like the Telegraph

:18:11. > :18:17.lookahead. They have the names and images of the victims. 129 right

:18:18. > :18:26.now, with many more injured. What strikes me is how young some of

:18:27. > :18:35.those faces are. Only one of them confirmed as British so far. And

:18:36. > :18:41.this comes as no surprise. Because these areas are very useful areas --

:18:42. > :18:46.youthful areas, frequented by young people, and they have been described

:18:47. > :18:55.by commentators as areas frequented by liberal, open-minded young men

:18:56. > :19:01.and women, who effectively represent the opposite of what ISIS stands for

:19:02. > :19:09.and that is why there would have been a prime target. ISIS resents

:19:10. > :19:15.that kind of joie de vivre and what you would do on a Paris street. You

:19:16. > :19:21.think they were targeting young people anywhere in Paris? I would be

:19:22. > :19:31.very interested to hear about that. It seemed to be that the main effort

:19:32. > :19:38.was the star -- stadium. They knew the district very well. What do you

:19:39. > :19:58.think? I could not agree more. These were not obvious targets. You had to

:19:59. > :20:03.be a real Parisian. Soft targets. The stadium seemed a more obvious

:20:04. > :20:12.target and the parallels with the Mumbai attacks are very start here.

:20:13. > :20:17.-- stark. But this is not a 5-star hotel or the Westgate shopping mall

:20:18. > :20:21.in Nairobi, places where the super-rich capitalists hang around.

:20:22. > :20:25.This was just a young crowd. That is what makes it really shocking. It

:20:26. > :20:30.will give many people the sense that we are not safe anywhere. It is not

:20:31. > :20:35.just big events, it can be just having a drink with a friend. But it

:20:36. > :20:40.is also the timing. More questions than answers but it is something

:20:41. > :20:43.that we have to establish. Again, the only person I have seen

:20:44. > :20:48.mentioning it... This is multidimensional. There is something

:20:49. > :20:56.very conventional to what ISIS does. It actually declared an

:20:57. > :21:00.Islamic State. And it has territory. It has to hold that land

:21:01. > :21:09.and it has been losing a great deal of ground over the last two to three

:21:10. > :21:15.weeks. The blast Sinjar, which is vital to the communications and

:21:16. > :21:20.smuggling routes. Those are the routes you want to use if you are

:21:21. > :21:26.going to export oil. This is a body blow to them and there seems to be

:21:27. > :21:30.something going on saying let us have diverging reaction, so we have

:21:31. > :21:36.had this terrible attacks on civilians in Lebanon and Baghdad,

:21:37. > :21:44.which have not been given the full coverage that they deserve, and we

:21:45. > :21:50.had the bombing and now this. It is to show that they are all

:21:51. > :21:55.conquering. It is to show that they can hit soft targets wherever. And

:21:56. > :22:00.that is the terror side of it. It is kamikaze stuff and it is vulgar and

:22:01. > :22:04.indiscriminate. That is the horrible side of it that strikes. Because it

:22:05. > :22:11.is so irrational, it strikes intellectual terror. It is

:22:12. > :22:24.interesting that it is clearly a massive PR coup, if I can but put it

:22:25. > :22:30.bluntly. What Patrick is saying is that it reflects a sign of

:22:31. > :22:36.desperation. They are actually losing ground, being pushed back...

:22:37. > :22:42.In Iraq and Syria. So they come here and attack us on our home soil. They

:22:43. > :22:48.are losing its title as the premier jihadi flag bearer. That is what

:22:49. > :22:53.happened with the various affiliate of Al-Qaeda. They lose the brand

:22:54. > :22:58.leadership. There is something going on there. There is a really cruel

:22:59. > :23:03.and wicked mind behind this. I suspect in a lot of the modus

:23:04. > :23:12.operandi that there are one or two others really tough Chechens that

:23:13. > :23:17.have been behind the forces in where ISIS is in Iraq. They picked a

:23:18. > :23:23.concert hall. The Chechens like doing that. It is a confined space

:23:24. > :23:40.with very young people and it is an easy target. The Observer picks up

:23:41. > :23:45.on that. Police hunt for clues. By launching attacks like this, they

:23:46. > :23:54.expose themselves. They expose as to how they may do the next attack. It

:23:55. > :24:00.does leave clues. One very important thing about this attack is that

:24:01. > :24:05.France has seen lone wolf attacks. A Frenchman was arguably the first

:24:06. > :24:11.blowback of the Syrian conflict, targeting the Jewish museum in

:24:12. > :24:16.Brussels. This is very different. This is co-ordinated and the claim

:24:17. > :24:21.came very quickly, the very next day. It is also the first suicide

:24:22. > :24:26.attack. Going back to this business of the caliphate, I think that we

:24:27. > :24:34.are getting it wrong by saying just hours after our Kurdish allies

:24:35. > :24:36.entered Sinjar we have this very co-ordinated attack but almost

:24:37. > :24:40.seems... We don't use the word Central command. We used to use that

:24:41. > :24:44.term for Al-Qaeda. But it really shows that it does not matter what

:24:45. > :24:49.is happening in Syria and Iraq. And in a way, maybe you are right in

:24:50. > :24:53.that the aspiration will trigger these kinds of attacks. We saw with

:24:54. > :24:59.the Russian plane and the Beirut attacks on the Hezbollah

:25:00. > :25:04.neighbourhood, the global jihad, ISIS's global reach, is becoming

:25:05. > :25:07.much more sophisticated. For a year, we thought they were just

:25:08. > :25:12.concentrating on holding and administering territory. It has gone

:25:13. > :25:15.to a different game now. That is the key point. They are saying that

:25:16. > :25:20.they're not going to be focused on that. Sinjar is just the latest.

:25:21. > :25:24.They felt they were losing ground. There was pressure on the territory

:25:25. > :25:28.of the Islamic State. Now we're going to do something us because

:25:29. > :25:33.we're not a one trick pony and we're going to show that we can strike you

:25:34. > :25:37.where it really hurts. And there is still a military presence in Paris

:25:38. > :25:43.tonight but the Sunday Express suggests that in London the SAS is

:25:44. > :25:49.on our streets. Is that something that would worry you, knowing that

:25:50. > :25:55.there are plain armed soldiers protecting British cities? Or does

:25:56. > :25:59.it make you feel safer? We have heard the French President using the

:26:00. > :26:04.language of war, saying this was an act of war perpetrated against

:26:05. > :26:10.France and that France is determined to fight terrorism in a merciless

:26:11. > :26:17.fashion, and this has been echoed by his British counterpart, David

:26:18. > :26:21.Cameron, who is just doing the same, proving that he is being pragmatic

:26:22. > :26:26.about it. He does not want to be complacent about it. Obviously the

:26:27. > :26:29.British people are going to be scared about what is happening next

:26:30. > :26:33.door. It is only two hours away on the Euros da. And there are

:26:34. > :26:41.legitimate concerns about the British population. -- on the

:26:42. > :26:43.Eurostar. Britain went through that a few years ago and does not want to

:26:44. > :26:50.see a similar scenario unfold again on British soil, so what David

:26:51. > :26:54.Cameron is doing, effectively, his policy is now revolving on war and

:26:55. > :26:58.he is taking all the security measures he possibly can to reassure

:26:59. > :27:09.the British public. Many thanks to our guests. Our thoughts are with

:27:10. > :27:15.you all and your colleagues in Paris. Thank you for taking us

:27:16. > :27:16.through the papers. Our coverage continues on BBC News. Don't go

:27:17. > :27:30.away. Good evening. We have got some

:27:31. > :27:32.especially heavy rainfall around across north-western parts of the

:27:33. > :27:35.country. Is all down to tropical moisture delivered by ex-hurricane

:27:36. > :27:38.Kate. That is bringing all moisture delivered by ex-hurricane

:27:39. > :27:39.Kate. That is bringing all of this heavy rain across parts