:00:00. > :00:00.the sunshine this year, is very much a city in morning, the first of the
:00:00. > :00:08.official days of mourning. Back to the studio.
:00:09. > :00:12.me are Mathew Green, an author and journalist, Rachel Shabi who is a
:00:13. > :00:15.Middle east journalist and author and joining us from Paris is the
:00:16. > :00:16.French writer and broadcaster, Agnes Poirier.
:00:17. > :00:18.We start with some of the French papers.
:00:19. > :00:22."Sorrow and Anger" is the headline on Le Figaro.
:00:23. > :00:25.Liberation has a dramatic front page - it's publishing a special
:00:26. > :00:32.In the British papers - The Sunday Telegraph has a striking
:00:33. > :00:37.picture of people hanging out of windows to escape the attackers.
:00:38. > :00:39.The Observer focuses on the investigation into those
:00:40. > :00:44.behind the attacks, saying three people have been arrested.
:00:45. > :00:49.The Daily Mail claims the attackers entered Europe as "fake refugees".
:00:50. > :00:53.The Sunday Express says the SAS is on the streets of London
:00:54. > :00:58.The Sunday Times has pictures of the first victims to be named -
:00:59. > :01:01.including Briton Nick Alexander, who worked for the band playing
:01:02. > :01:04.at the Bataclan when the crowd was attacked.
:01:05. > :01:15.And the Independent asks "how did it happen and what happens next?"
:01:16. > :01:27.Let's begin in Paris. These Sunday morning editions are very striking,
:01:28. > :01:32.very sad. They are and one I might show you, we do not have that many
:01:33. > :01:43.additions usually traditionally in France, unlike Britain, we have the
:01:44. > :01:47.only one, really, the Sunday newspaper, and it is the Republic
:01:48. > :01:52.face-to-face with barbarism. We also have an addition of the Parisien,
:01:53. > :02:00.which is like the Evening Standard in London, and it says resistance,
:02:01. > :02:05.it is imperative. Let's resist. I expect actually the model's papers
:02:06. > :02:10.on Monday will be, will have many more pages that show the
:02:11. > :02:16.investigation progressing. But perhaps actually I think that today
:02:17. > :02:19.the liberation's special edition which is all in black without any
:02:20. > :02:26.words is actually the one that really gives, is in tune with
:02:27. > :02:37.prescience and the French at large, that is to say, a bunch of flowers.
:02:38. > :02:45.In the words. We're left speechless by the new scale of the attack, if
:02:46. > :02:48.you want, because as a Christian and as a whole prescience since the
:02:49. > :02:54.January attacks have gotten used to a really heightened level of alert
:02:55. > :02:59.and vigilance with the French Armed Forces deployed in the streets of
:03:00. > :03:04.Paris. That is the new normal. It is not as if we did not expect them to
:03:05. > :03:12.strike again but not like this. Not in such a big scale, not with seven
:03:13. > :03:17.or eight suicide bombers. This is unheard of, it is unprecedented in
:03:18. > :03:21.contemporary France. Today it is reeling from the shock and also
:03:22. > :03:29.perhaps we had not measured the depth of the hatred towards
:03:30. > :03:36.democracy which is the foundation on which Paris of course is one of the
:03:37. > :03:41.many symbols. I was struck, the headline you should early from
:03:42. > :03:45.liberation, very striking, there is a slightly different mood in the
:03:46. > :03:50.addition of the goal that we have got, it says, to win the war on
:03:51. > :03:53.describing it as a war and I have one of the German papers, too, which
:03:54. > :03:59.picks up some words of President Hollande which they translate as we
:04:00. > :04:05.are going to have to become pitiless or refunds. You captured one mode,
:04:06. > :04:11.this seems to be a very different mood from some people, perhaps, in
:04:12. > :04:20.the political classes. Is it really considered to be a war against
:04:21. > :04:25.terror? That is really terrible challenge, the challenge we are
:04:26. > :04:31.facing because where democracy is we are at peace, presumably. And that
:04:32. > :04:36.new set, that the enemy, if we are at worry have to use the semantics
:04:37. > :04:41.of war so that means there will be traitors, obviously, the enemy from
:04:42. > :04:49.within. We are facing some very tough questions. President Hollande
:04:50. > :04:56.talks about the enemy's RE, the terrorist army, usually if you are
:04:57. > :05:01.at war there is an army, the enemy's army, you send the troops.
:05:02. > :05:07.You do not just go bombing with planes. And it means to that if
:05:08. > :05:15.their enemies inside, domestic enemies, you have to find them and
:05:16. > :05:24.they are traitors. This has opened a real Pandora's box in terms of what
:05:25. > :05:31.are we ready to do if this is a war and if we want to accept the
:05:32. > :05:40.consequences of that new states. Let me bring in Matt and Rachel. They
:05:41. > :05:45.also have a headline that says world war, that is what they're talking
:05:46. > :05:50.about, is that how you see it? It is wearily familiar, isn't it, from the
:05:51. > :05:55.reaction to the 911 attacks in the United States where there was of
:05:56. > :05:59.course immense shock and the unprecedented scale of the assault
:06:00. > :06:04.very much as we are seeing in Paris, but what we saw after that was an
:06:05. > :06:08.assault on civil liberties, a new world order anyway where
:06:09. > :06:11.assassination by drone strike was something that we looked at,
:06:12. > :06:17.something we accepted as an everyday part of reality and which led to an
:06:18. > :06:20.unfolding conflict which is still playing out so of course there is
:06:21. > :06:24.grief and there is anger but we also need to be very careful that we do
:06:25. > :06:28.not essentially play into the hands of Isis by throwing away the sort of
:06:29. > :06:32.values that they are trying to destroy. That is interesting because
:06:33. > :06:36.Agnes was topping about an attack on our way of life, but it certainly
:06:37. > :06:41.was, football and restaurant and so on. If we lose that we of life by
:06:42. > :06:45.those kinds of things that matter is talking about we are in trouble. We
:06:46. > :06:52.need to be really careful about the language we use in the coming days
:06:53. > :06:56.and weeks. Obviously it is a huge tragedy and devastating but to start
:06:57. > :07:01.talking about an enemy within and traitors and, you know, this war
:07:02. > :07:07.against an idea is I think very dangerous ground. This has been a
:07:08. > :07:11.war for some time, it has arrived on our shores but we are good fighting
:07:12. > :07:18.this war for quite some time. France has been involved more than any
:07:19. > :07:25.other European country in attacks on Islamic State in the last few weeks,
:07:26. > :07:29.it has bombed oil and gas installations in northern Syria and
:07:30. > :07:33.has also attacked places controlled rack in the belief that many foreign
:07:34. > :07:40.nationals have gone there to fight. France has been at war already, I do
:07:41. > :07:44.think we need to be very careful about the terminology. What
:07:45. > :07:47.impressed the about the British papers and I'm sure Agnes Hook and
:07:48. > :07:53.from the French papers, too, they put the human face on this. T look
:07:54. > :07:57.at the front page of the Sunday Times, they have pictures of some of
:07:58. > :08:03.the victims and they are very very young. They have named the victims.
:08:04. > :08:07.The same is true in the Daily Mail, just to see that and get a sense of
:08:08. > :08:12.the kind of people, which is people from all walks of life, just normal
:08:13. > :08:19.ordinary people. Absolutely, and that is going to be even sadder the
:08:20. > :08:24.next few days as there are people still looking desperately for close
:08:25. > :08:30.relatives and obviously they have not heard from them, it looks quite
:08:31. > :08:36.grim. You can see on social networks, it started on Saturday,
:08:37. > :08:39.Friday night, Saturday morning, the pictures of all of these people and
:08:40. > :08:43.title of the different nationalities. Not all French at all
:08:44. > :08:48.because Palace is a very cosmopolitan city, very young, all
:08:49. > :08:53.of these people were attending this concept and this is going to be
:08:54. > :09:02.quite heartbreaking, as you say, to put faces on the victims. They are,
:09:03. > :09:09.you know, they were just enjoying life and that is probably why they
:09:10. > :09:11.were struck. Also the other element which the newspapers, French
:09:12. > :09:17.newspapers are talking about which you may not be aware of is that the
:09:18. > :09:22.suicide bombers outside the Stade de France tried to get in the Stade de
:09:23. > :09:29.France, and tried actually to provoke chaos there and if possible
:09:30. > :09:35.even a stampede there, and two in a way do what he did at the Bataclan
:09:36. > :09:42.Theatre, to get inside and provoke terror and horror so it is almost a
:09:43. > :09:49.miracle that they could not get into the Stade de France. It is difficult
:09:50. > :09:54.to breathe could have been even worse. Much, much worse. And that
:09:55. > :10:00.was there in, that was the aim. One of the human stories, a friend of
:10:01. > :10:06.mine is writing about Nick Alexander who was selling merchandise at the
:10:07. > :10:11.concert, and you think, he writes in glowing terms about him and what he
:10:12. > :10:15.was like that he says for the sake of Nick and all the other victims we
:10:16. > :10:19.must not lose humanity in fighting back, which is basically your
:10:20. > :10:22.point, Matt. There's always this danger when there's so much grief
:10:23. > :10:28.and anger that we will make very hasty responses. Things are changing
:10:29. > :10:32.on the ground in Iraq and Syria and it is important to have that context
:10:33. > :10:37.in mind. The Islamic State has suffered some very severe setbacks
:10:38. > :10:41.in the last couple of weeks, whizzing important towns and seeing
:10:42. > :10:47.its main communication route between muscle and rack, its two main
:10:48. > :10:50.cities, come under pressure. The key here is that we are not going to be
:10:51. > :10:55.sending in ground troops any time soon, that is very clear, the hope
:10:56. > :10:59.is that if Islamic State can be gradually rolled back slowly but
:11:00. > :11:03.surely it will eventually essentially just implode and I think
:11:04. > :11:08.that is really the only strategy that is viable. Implode but also
:11:09. > :11:15.lashed out like we have seen. That is inevitable. What did you make
:11:16. > :11:20.Rachel about the mail on Sunday, Paris Jihadi got in as fake
:11:21. > :11:25.refugees, what do you think? Again this is not going to board well, we
:11:26. > :11:31.are already seeing the far right in France and in the UK pounce on this
:11:32. > :11:37.information as though to say, this is the reason why we should not let
:11:38. > :11:40.in refugees but we do have to remember that those people are
:11:41. > :11:47.fleeing exactly the kind of nightmare scenarios that have been
:11:48. > :11:53.unleashed in Paris. They are fleeing murder and just harder and we do
:11:54. > :11:57.need to keep in mind that this is why they are coming. And also that,
:11:58. > :12:04.you know, this was a very, very slick operation. It was preplanned,
:12:05. > :12:11.very carefully planned, they would have used any entry points
:12:12. > :12:17.available. We cannot suddenly lash out at refugees because if indeed
:12:18. > :12:21.they happen to be... That is exactly what Islamic State want, they say in
:12:22. > :12:25.the propaganda, they have stated clearly that these sorts of attacks
:12:26. > :12:31.are designed to sow suspicion of Muslim populations in Europe. That
:12:32. > :12:37.works very well for them. The more that this happens the more potential
:12:38. > :12:41.recruits they have. It is incumbent upon all politicians and all the
:12:42. > :12:46.commentators to really exercise restraint at this moment and not
:12:47. > :12:49.feed the cycle. I wanted to look at the Independent on Sunday front page
:12:50. > :12:53.which is very striking, the French flag, we will see a lot of French
:12:54. > :13:01.flags and many people seem we are all Paris, but he solidarity after
:13:02. > :13:10.the Charlie Hebdo attacks was obvious on the streets of Paris but
:13:11. > :13:15.I wonder how long it lasts, there are elections next month and there
:13:16. > :13:18.is a lot of talk about refugees and such. How long do you see this
:13:19. > :13:29.playing over the next few days but maybe by next month? Pitting the
:13:30. > :13:35.finger where it hurts, the show of solidarity is very heart-warming and
:13:36. > :13:40.wonderful, and France has the days of national mourning but then what
:13:41. > :13:45.about the fourth day? First of all there will be a tough questioning
:13:46. > :13:49.for the government as to why this could not have been prevented, even
:13:50. > :13:53.though we know the intelligence services in France and in Britain
:13:54. > :14:00.and Europe for attacks on a very regular basis. But of course that is
:14:01. > :14:04.exactly what Rachel was talking about, the semantics are very
:14:05. > :14:08.important because if the President Hollande for instance is talking
:14:09. > :14:14.about war then we have to because he isn't or you lose another term. Of
:14:15. > :14:20.course there are regional elections in a few days in France, I expect
:14:21. > :14:25.the National front, the extreme right party will increase its
:14:26. > :14:33.electoral Hall. And the level because one of the suicide bombers
:14:34. > :14:43.might have used a Syrian passport then of course there will be
:14:44. > :14:47.questions about Schengen and whether the equipment of Schengen can go on
:14:48. > :14:50.be suspended and it is very potent to remain calm and show restraint
:14:51. > :14:57.but also you have got public opinion. And Islamic State is
:14:58. > :15:03.mastering all of this tools of mass propaganda and communication, so it
:15:04. > :15:08.is extremely tricky for the governments of Europe. We have about
:15:09. > :15:12.a minute left, I just wondered on your thoughts, Angela Merkel is
:15:13. > :15:17.almost being blamed for some of this in some papers. Subtext that she is
:15:18. > :15:22.in trouble, as one court said, it just takes one skier to cause an
:15:23. > :15:26.avalanche. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the European response to this
:15:27. > :15:31.atrocity was the just opened at stores to all the refugees who needs
:15:32. > :15:36.to come to Europe, wouldn't that be the most appropriate in the most
:15:37. > :15:40.humane response to such an atrocity? It will not surprise you if I say I
:15:41. > :15:46.think that is very unlikely. I know, but whatever. Matthew, what do you
:15:47. > :15:53.think? The politics of this will continue. We talked about drones are
:15:54. > :16:04.there, we are to kill British civilians. Jihadi John,... British
:16:05. > :16:08.citizens I should say, whether that is something we want to do has not
:16:09. > :16:12.been debated. Following the killing of the US approach without a proper
:16:13. > :16:16.debate about the balance between security and freedom and we need to
:16:17. > :16:23.have that debate urgently to decide what we feel is appropriate. It has
:16:24. > :16:27.been taken out of our hands, it is something the security establishment
:16:28. > :16:32.is running with a -- with inadequate oversight.
:16:33. > :16:51.Thank you. We will look at the front pages every evening on BBC News.
:16:52. > :16:54.With further rain today across north-west England and south-west
:16:55. > :16:55.Scotland