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:00:17. > :00:22.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

:00:23. > :00:25.With me are political commentator Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson, political

:00:26. > :00:39.The longest serving political editor, is that right? Yes, for my

:00:40. > :00:45.sins. You will know a political story when you see one. Let's have a

:00:46. > :00:46.look before we dissect their front pages.

:00:47. > :00:48.The Observer reports security chiefs are warning Britain's counter-terror

:00:49. > :00:52.forces must be boosted if they are to cope with a Paris-style attack.

:00:53. > :00:55.The Sunday Telegraph says Britain looks set to join air strikes

:00:56. > :00:58.against Islamic State targets in Syria by Christmas.

:00:59. > :01:01.The Sunday Express also leads with Syria and says senior generals

:01:02. > :01:07.believe a full-scale offensive would wipe IS off the map in two weeks.

:01:08. > :01:10.And The Independent on Sunday asks "where do we go from here?"

:01:11. > :01:18.with Britain's response to the threat from terrorism.

:01:19. > :01:29.Bright, Jo and Nigel, who wants to begin? Britain prepares for war. It

:01:30. > :01:34.is certainly a grim front page with a photo of an RAF Tornado, one of

:01:35. > :01:38.the aircraft that would be used if we go into bombing raids against

:01:39. > :01:45.Syria. The story says ministers believe we will be warming Syria by

:01:46. > :01:50.Christmas. Downing Street in all The Papers say no date has been set and

:01:51. > :01:55.after failing to get a vote last time, Mr Cameron will want to make

:01:56. > :02:01.sure he has backing, but I think we will talk a little bit about the

:02:02. > :02:07.surveys that show a huge growing public support for action, but what

:02:08. > :02:12.this is really about is, what do you do apart from bombing raids? It has

:02:13. > :02:17.to be something on the ground and that is increasingly the message

:02:18. > :02:23.from the fence chiefs. Lord Dannatt is writing in the Telegraph, a

:02:24. > :02:28.former chief of staff of the army said the same thing the other day,

:02:29. > :02:32.you cannot just go win and do that, and I think we will now see some

:02:33. > :02:38.fast politicking. Deals that have to be done with people we might not

:02:39. > :02:45.necessarily choose to. By which you mean President Assad. That was the

:02:46. > :02:48.basis on which David Cameron last asked the House of Commons to

:02:49. > :02:55.authorise action in Syria and they said no. Then it was Assad and his

:02:56. > :03:01.forces, now we have a threat from Islamic State. I think Jo is right,

:03:02. > :03:05.things are moving at a huge rate, so with the UN resolution last night

:03:06. > :03:13.that is clearing the way to start bombing, Cameron meets Francois

:03:14. > :03:18.Hollande on Monday with a strategy on what the doing, President

:03:19. > :03:23.Hollande then goes to Washington and Moscow, so we can see it welding up

:03:24. > :03:29.but David Cameron still has to win a Commons vote and it is not yet

:03:30. > :03:32.certain. I am sure the whips are running around as we speak to check

:03:33. > :03:39.who is doing what but it is not certain. There is also this light

:03:40. > :03:43.misinterpretation of the UN resolution which was rapidly passed

:03:44. > :03:50.last night but did not come up with the chapters seven clause. I was

:03:51. > :03:55.talking to a UN expert on Saturday for BBC Radio four, who was

:03:56. > :04:03.convinced it does, and he says people are briefing in Newark, do

:04:04. > :04:08.not panic, this is symbolic but does not have any legal teeth, and the

:04:09. > :04:16.experts are saying, at least this one says it has got that authorities

:04:17. > :04:21.if people want to use it. It is open to interpretation and therefore

:04:22. > :04:25.misinterpretation. That adds to the nervousness amongst some, Nigel may

:04:26. > :04:33.say what are we getting ourselves into? The essential thing is Russia

:04:34. > :04:37.and China coming on board, only on Wednesday David Cameron said he

:04:38. > :04:43.thought the Russians would veto it, so he might go ahead without a UN

:04:44. > :04:47.resolution. The Westminster bet is where it moves to as far as David

:04:48. > :04:53.Cameron goes, but the problem is we are now talking about sending ground

:04:54. > :04:57.forces in and people are saying this was never on the cards before,

:04:58. > :05:03.people are making it clear in the vapours tomorrow, the military

:05:04. > :05:07.chiefs, Liam Fox that former Defence Secretary, you cannot win a war from

:05:08. > :05:13.the air, you have to be on the ground. Let's move on to pages two

:05:14. > :05:21.and three of the Independent on Sunday. They have done a whole of

:05:22. > :05:26.public opinion on the world's leaders, if they have a favourable

:05:27. > :05:31.view of the following leaders, and poor Francois Hollande, to be fair

:05:32. > :05:39.is doing better but still a long way behind our back Obama, who has not

:05:40. > :05:45.taken the lead on this. Interesting that Angela Merkel is split down the

:05:46. > :05:56.middle. Vladimir Putin is the world's favourite baddie. Like

:05:57. > :06:04.Marmite! You were thinking of venture might. Barack Obama is not

:06:05. > :06:12.figuring in what is going on, this is a European thing, Putin is going

:06:13. > :06:18.to Barack. Russia has a pivotal role in what is happening in Syria

:06:19. > :06:25.because they are allies of President Assad and as Jeremy Greenstock, our

:06:26. > :06:29.former ambassador to the UN, he says the UK will have to learn to support

:06:30. > :06:36.the devil, and whether that is Russia or Assad, whether it is even

:06:37. > :06:41.Al-Qaeda forces and the Free Syrian Army and all sorts of other

:06:42. > :06:47.coalitions, but a coalition of the least worst options. Nigel, would

:06:48. > :06:53.you endorse the suggestion Cameron will unveil a plan within days? If

:06:54. > :06:59.there is going to bomb by Christmas we will need to get a vote through

:07:00. > :07:08.the House of Commons quickly. The express says they can beat jihad is

:07:09. > :07:17.within days. We only have the first page of it but it is military

:07:18. > :07:24.commanders training officers to beat Kurdish fighters, they support

:07:25. > :07:31.tougher British action in Syria, 60% favouring a ground war and that is a

:07:32. > :07:37.huge shed. The question is, as ever, this is one survey but is it

:07:38. > :07:46.indicative of a trend? And immediate reaction to events in Paris. We are

:07:47. > :07:50.now getting some idea of people stiffening their resolve and

:07:51. > :07:57.hardening to the idea we might have to do it. It would be a shift if

:07:58. > :08:01.that was sustained, given the Barack aftermath has been a sense that

:08:02. > :08:06.British public opinion would not wear boots on the ground.

:08:07. > :08:11.Circumstances have changed because of Paris, but I think politicians

:08:12. > :08:16.might have more thought this time than last time, so the key thing

:08:17. > :08:22.Cameron will have to produce is, what happens afterwards? We cannot

:08:23. > :08:28.leave states to descend into civil war as we did with Libya, Iraq and

:08:29. > :08:34.we will have to see in Afghanistan. Pity the Chilcott report will not be

:08:35. > :08:39.out in time! That is not so much about intervention in Syria at about

:08:40. > :08:48.defending Europe. That is how he will fetch it. I am assuming, he

:08:49. > :08:54.will be listening to these military voices. It is clear they know what

:08:55. > :09:00.they are doing and they know how to win. It is whether we want to do

:09:01. > :09:06.with. Let's look at the Observer, this is the other side of this, not

:09:07. > :09:10.so much what you'd do in Syria and whether you do anything but what you

:09:11. > :09:15.might need to go back here to make the UK's safe, given that Islamic

:09:16. > :09:22.State seems willing to take the battle to western Europe. The

:09:23. > :09:27.Observer is talking about the comprehensive spending review on

:09:28. > :09:31.Wednesday, and the police want, especially counterterrorism police,

:09:32. > :09:37.they want the kind of resources they need to do the job, ?200 billion,

:09:38. > :09:45.and are worried George Osborne might take it away and given to defence.

:09:46. > :09:49.We know we need that kind of material, George Osborne still wants

:09:50. > :09:54.to stay on target for his ?10 billion savings by 2020, he will

:09:55. > :10:00.have to do sleight of hand to achieve that. It will be a battle

:10:01. > :10:06.between defence and the Home Office because if the defence review is

:10:07. > :10:11.tomorrow, isn't it? Then you have CSR on Wednesday, so if you give

:10:12. > :10:15.this money for fighting terrorism that should come out of defence,

:10:16. > :10:21.perhaps it is the time to say to the police force, maybe we need a

:10:22. > :10:25.national lease force. Given the controversy at the creation of a

:10:26. > :10:33.lease Scotland's... Police England might be too far. 43 in England and

:10:34. > :10:41.Wales, it seems ludicrous, a small country does not need 43 police

:10:42. > :10:48.forces and two in London. Metropolitan Police and city police.

:10:49. > :10:52.As you know. In the old days of Fleet Street, now all journalists

:10:53. > :10:57.drink water but in the days when they got drug at night, the city

:10:58. > :11:02.police would take them just over the border, away from Fleet Street, the

:11:03. > :11:08.Met with, long and put them back again into the city area, they would

:11:09. > :11:13.go backwards and forwards all night. By which time they had sobered up

:11:14. > :11:19.and nobody had to deal with that! Let's go back to the Telegraph, this

:11:20. > :11:28.comes out of another BBC programme, songs of praise. This is the

:11:29. > :11:35.Archbishop of Canterbury in a PC has done for songs of praise, who said

:11:36. > :11:40.the attacks in Paris left him asking white God wasn't there and he said

:11:41. > :11:46.it is a chink in his armour and I think that is incredibly honest. I

:11:47. > :11:52.think he is a terrific Archbishop because he has had a life outside,

:11:53. > :11:57.he has been... He has beat on the side of Mammon as well, but I think

:11:58. > :12:03.it is brave to say his faith was tested. There I say, if this had

:12:04. > :12:11.been Rowan Williams saying it, for Robert Runcie, some of The Papers

:12:12. > :12:17.might have taken it, it says something about the personality of

:12:18. > :12:23.the man. He is likeable. He is a modern Archbishop. I think Rowan

:12:24. > :12:29.Woodhouse the same sort of thing, there are occasions in the matter

:12:30. > :12:34.how about you are that you out, the one thing the church hate is

:12:35. > :12:39.complacency. Doubt is fine but people who do not care they worry

:12:40. > :12:43.about, so to have Justin Welby say that the facts, he does not have the

:12:44. > :12:48.answers, I think that is very honest. Does it make either of you

:12:49. > :12:57.out or are you not religious? I'm not. I am but I know what doubt is,

:12:58. > :13:02.I think that complacency thing is the worst kind of response, you want

:13:03. > :13:08.to engage and then decide which way to go. You have to wonder, given

:13:09. > :13:15.these atrocities in the name of a religion, it makes you doubt that. I

:13:16. > :13:20.would have liked to ask him if he could forgive them. A good question

:13:21. > :13:26.for eight all a lot interview with the Archbishop. Thank you both very

:13:27. > :13:32.much. We will be back again in Endatime for another look at the

:13:33. > :13:40.newspapers and we might have some more front pages by them. At 11pm,

:13:41. > :13:42.Brussels is on high alert after receiving intelligence on a possible

:13:43. > :13:43.attack with weapons and explosives,