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:00:15. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

:00:18. > :00:26.With me are political commentator Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson, political

:00:27. > :00:36.The Observer reports security chiefs are warning Britain's counter-terror

:00:37. > :00:43.forces must be boosted if they are to cope with a Paris-style attack.

:00:44. > :00:45.The Sunday Telegraph says Britain looks set to join air strikes

:00:46. > :00:49.against Islamic State targets in Syria by Christmas.

:00:50. > :00:52.The Sunday Times says action could be taken as early as two weeks

:00:53. > :00:59.The Sunday Express also leads with Syria and says senior generals

:01:00. > :01:12.believe a full-scale offensive would wipe IS off the map in two weeks.

:01:13. > :01:16.And the Independent on Sunday asks, 'Where do we go from here?'

:01:17. > :01:20.Britain's response to the threat from terrorism.

:01:21. > :01:26.Beginning with the Sunday Times. What do you make of this? PM's push

:01:27. > :01:32.to bomb ISIS within a fortnight? As you say, it varies between before

:01:33. > :01:37.Christmas and a fortnight. We are just working out the maths. David

:01:38. > :01:42.Cameron has got to put in a report to the defence committee by

:01:43. > :01:47.Thursday, so that's going to be, according to this story, a 7-point

:01:48. > :01:54.plan. Always a bit worrying, but he will put out his plan for what we

:01:55. > :01:57.would do, how we would engage and whether we take airstrikes against

:01:58. > :02:02.Syria. In the meantime he is going off to Paris tomorrow to see

:02:03. > :02:08.president or mind, that a mere platoon is going as well. --

:02:09. > :02:12.President Hollande. Everyone is checking across Europe. It is clear

:02:13. > :02:16.that he could then leave a weekend to think about it and call a vote

:02:17. > :02:22.next week. Yes. There is the possibility. If authorisation were

:02:23. > :02:30.given, that could lead to pretty swift action. I think you would. You

:02:31. > :02:34.would hear about it. Tomorrow morning we would wake up and the

:02:35. > :02:39.strikes would be taking place. However, there's quite a lot of work

:02:40. > :02:43.to do before we get to that point. Presumably a lesson that David

:02:44. > :02:48.Cameron should have learned from two years ago is that this kind of fast

:02:49. > :02:52.paced decisions sometimes means people aren't in the same place as

:02:53. > :02:55.you when you ask the question. You have to make sure you know where

:02:56. > :03:02.everyone is. He only has a majority of 12 and there are at least 20 Tory

:03:03. > :03:08.MPs who are unhappy. It doesn't mean they won't vote with the Prime

:03:09. > :03:12.Minister, take the SNP, you will probably vote against airstrikes and

:03:13. > :03:19.Labour are all over the place at the moment. Labour frontbenchers are

:03:20. > :03:24.pushing Jeremy Corbyn into a free vote. They can decide what they will

:03:25. > :03:27.do. Jeremy Corbyn seems to be fairly clear from the speech today that he

:03:28. > :03:35.is still against airstrikes themselves. The question is whether

:03:36. > :03:38.he whips his MPs. We also have a complete change in public opinion,

:03:39. > :03:44.which has been reflected in some of the polls. That is massive. I mean,

:03:45. > :03:48.wobbly if you did it two weeks ago before Paris it would have been

:03:49. > :03:55.quite different. There's really no significant shift public opinion.

:03:56. > :04:00.That is what MPs will get when they go back to their constituencies.

:04:01. > :04:05.Some of these stories in the papers today are quite chilling. If you

:04:06. > :04:08.look at the Sunday Times, we talk about intelligence officials saying

:04:09. > :04:13.ISIS has set up an international attacks unit to conduct mass

:04:14. > :04:18.atrocities in Britain, there are talks about chemical attacks. We

:04:19. > :04:24.have a very frightened... We have been here before, haven't we? That

:04:25. > :04:32.is very much what has been suggested by Al Qaeda, after 9/11. It didn't

:04:33. > :04:37.come to anything, but it is in the minds of the security services. The

:04:38. > :04:41.possibility exists. Eventually medical -- Middle Eastern terrorists

:04:42. > :04:45.will get their hands on a dirty nuclear bomb. If they have long in a

:04:46. > :04:50.fall of these things will happen. There's a general agreement now that

:04:51. > :04:56.the only answer is to defeat and wipe it out. The Sunday Telegraph.

:04:57. > :05:02.You are talking earlier about the sorts of slightly grim tone to some

:05:03. > :05:09.of the coverage in the papers. It couldn't be more blunt. Absolutely.

:05:10. > :05:15.It is a very evocative photograph of an RAF tornado jets, pictured here.

:05:16. > :05:31.Not least because of the black skies behind it. Yes. It is chilling. I

:05:32. > :05:35.mean, this is echoing what the defence chiefs and former defence

:05:36. > :05:41.chiefs have been saying. In the Sunday Telegraph, Lord Damon says

:05:42. > :05:51.that it could even go so far as bringing Syrian refugees into

:05:52. > :05:58.forces. You need groups -- troops on the ground. To go back to getting

:05:59. > :06:01.David Cameron to have people on board, there will be a reluctance

:06:02. > :06:05.for just airstrikes. There has to be something else. The question is how

:06:06. > :06:11.quickly you can mobilise ground troops, because you can go in with

:06:12. > :06:14.airstrikes within hours, but how can immobilise them? If you are going to

:06:15. > :06:20.work with these different factions you have to talk to... It has to be

:06:21. > :06:25.one step at a time. First of all we have the RAF in action. That would

:06:26. > :06:29.be the first stage. Then let's see where it goes from there. We leap

:06:30. > :06:34.ahead of ourselves if we assume there will be a ground war, just

:06:35. > :06:39.because... This is presumably in the run-up to any parliamentary vote?

:06:40. > :06:42.Exactly. Some MPs will say their reluctance to vote yes is not

:06:43. > :06:47.necessarily because of the airstrikes but because of what it

:06:48. > :06:51.could then take from this. Effectively they would say that they

:06:52. > :06:55.have been authorised to do whatever. The vote will be narrower on

:06:56. > :07:00.airstrikes I think. It sounds like that's what this paper will be. It

:07:01. > :07:05.doesn't sound like the UN Resolution has shifted Jeremy Corbyn's view,

:07:06. > :07:10.given what he said in the speech today. It is weird. He seemed to

:07:11. > :07:13.save the day before that what he was looking for was some kind of UN

:07:14. > :07:22.Resolution. It is a bit confusing, the legality of that. But it seems

:07:23. > :07:27.Russia and China are onside. David Cameron didn't think Russia would be

:07:28. > :07:30.and now they are. We now have the makings of an international

:07:31. > :07:42.coalition, which we didn't have when we went into Iraq. We didn't have 24

:07:43. > :07:48.hours. It is suggested that there has been a shift in parliamentary

:07:49. > :07:57.opinion? Yes. The Express and the Sunday Mirror and the Independent

:07:58. > :08:03.have all got opinion polls and there has been a significant shift in

:08:04. > :08:10.people going into action together. But I disagree with you. I think he

:08:11. > :08:16.will have to reassure MPs what the plan is. That has to be in his

:08:17. > :08:20.7-point plan, or 5-point plan, before he can go to the comments

:08:21. > :08:24.with a vote. He would say he would vote with, but he wants to know what

:08:25. > :08:29.happens after. It would be tricky to ask them to vote on ground troops. I

:08:30. > :08:38.mean, from the humiliation of 2013, when he couldn't get Commons

:08:39. > :08:42.approval to go and bomb Assad, which was supposed to be a punishment.

:08:43. > :08:47.Yes. The use of chemical weapons. I do also think you need to send the

:08:48. > :08:51.planes in and find out where we are. We all seem to agree that we cannot

:08:52. > :08:56.win this war from the air. But at least he started that. You also have

:08:57. > :09:01.the different thing that we said last time, this is not intervention,

:09:02. > :09:09.this is defence. This is defending Europe and Britain. But the

:09:10. > :09:14.significance. On the Independent story, it is an interesting survey

:09:15. > :09:17.of attitudes to world leaders and whether they are trusted and whether

:09:18. > :09:23.people regard them favourably or unfavourably. Barack Obama has got

:09:24. > :09:26.quite a hefty lead. I suspect these figures are not just people in the

:09:27. > :09:34.US, but more globally how people view these different leaders. This

:09:35. > :09:43.particular one is here, in the UK. Forgive me, my eyesight isn't good

:09:44. > :09:54.enough! Everybody is wonderfully divided. As far as the European

:09:55. > :09:59.politician goes, she is far in a way that most adept of any of them and

:10:00. > :10:03.it would look like the public thing... We are just not quite sure.

:10:04. > :10:15.She gets a favourability and an favourability rating. When did they

:10:16. > :10:18.do this? Last week. Two weeks ago President Hollande may not have been

:10:19. > :10:23.so good at it. I will rush you through the Sunday express.

:10:24. > :10:32.Optimistic message from generals. We can beat jihadis in 14 days. It is

:10:33. > :10:37.united across all of the papers. These are clear messages from the

:10:38. > :10:43.military. Going back to the Sunday Times. One nice story at the end.

:10:44. > :10:55.Very dapper bottom. A story about Sir David Murray the bra. David

:10:56. > :11:03.Attenborough is classic. Very successful. Still at it in his 80s.

:11:04. > :11:09.89, in actual fact. 60 years ago he went on his first scuba-dive to the

:11:10. > :11:13.Australian Great Barrier Reef and he has gone back again, which I think

:11:14. > :11:25.is absolutely fabulous. He has gone with the cameraman and a pilot. He

:11:26. > :11:32.has been down there to record staff for a BBC One programme. In 1957 he

:11:33. > :11:36.made his first trip to the Reef, we probably don't remember that, and it

:11:37. > :11:41.was shot in black and white. Imagine what it was like in 1950 72 film

:11:42. > :11:46.underwater? Just astonishing. What isn't that great? He has done it.

:11:47. > :12:05.Followed a group of fish all the way down. It was a 6-foot group. Where

:12:06. > :12:10.would you go if you could? I wonder where you would like to go. If you

:12:11. > :12:14.could go anywhere? If somebody gave you a camera crew and said it could

:12:15. > :12:18.go anywhere? The great big about this particular one is he is going

:12:19. > :12:25.somewhere that nobody, no human being, has gone before. That must be

:12:26. > :12:29.incredibly exciting. Yes, I think underwater is fascinating. I have

:12:30. > :12:36.done a bit of scuba-diving. I still think you can't beat the oceans.

:12:37. > :12:42.There is a fantastic photography exhibition about the Endeavour.

:12:43. > :12:44.Franklin's doomed trip. I think you can't beat that.

:12:45. > :12:54.Thank you, Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson.

:12:55. > :12:56.Thank you for putting the oceans in our minds.

:12:57. > :13:00.Coming up next, it's The Film Review.