:00:00. > :00:00.Four Britons who died in a helicopter crash on holiday in New
:00:00. > :00:00.Zealand have been named as Nigel and Helen Charlton, and Katharine Walker
:00:00. > :00:08.Two Australian holiday-makers and the pilot were also killed
:00:09. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers
:00:18. > :00:30.Thank you to our guests for joining us this evening. Time for a look at
:00:31. > :00:40.the front pages. for more cuts to fund an extra ?12
:00:41. > :00:43.billion for the Defence Department. The Times also looks at the issue
:00:44. > :00:45.of defence and says that fighting terrorism
:00:46. > :00:49.will be at the heart of the ?178 The Telegraph says the Army is to be
:00:50. > :00:53.restructured to create two strike brigades who can be deployed
:00:54. > :00:59.immediately to fight terrorists. And the Mirror also goes with
:01:00. > :01:05.that story, focusing on the 10,000 strike force that
:01:06. > :01:08.can be deployed at short notice. The i claims that
:01:09. > :01:10.the government may rethink its ?10 billion surplus pledge to
:01:11. > :01:12.fund a tax-credit climbdown. The Guardian leads with
:01:13. > :01:15.the news that Brussels faces an unprecedented security lockdown
:01:16. > :01:17.because of a serious and imminent The Daily Mail splashes
:01:18. > :01:20.on the refusal of leading UK cinemas to show an
:01:21. > :01:35.advert featuring the Lord's Prayer. Let us begin with the Times.
:01:36. > :01:45.Cameron's ?178 billion overhaul of UK defence military spending by four
:01:46. > :01:57.strikes vote. -- before air strikes vote. Two major themes in this
:01:58. > :02:06.story. ?178 billion over ten years. ?12 billion for equipment. The RAF
:02:07. > :02:13.will emerge as the winner, it says. New aircraft operating by 2023. The
:02:14. > :02:17.other thing that is coming out very strongly is that it is likely Jeremy
:02:18. > :02:25.Corbyn will be forced to offer a free vote on bombing in Syria. He is
:02:26. > :02:29.against bombing ISIS in Syria and had previously said he would not
:02:30. > :02:36.offer a free vote, but a number of his senior lieutenants are making
:02:37. > :02:41.the case. We will come back to Corbyn in a moment because he is on
:02:42. > :02:45.the front page of the Independent as well, but it is not as if the
:02:46. > :02:50.Ministry of Defence will be completely saved from any cuts...
:02:51. > :02:59.Like any other department. Money is tight. The Chancellor does need to
:03:00. > :03:04.find money from somewhere. The RAF is very pleased with the money they
:03:05. > :03:10.are getting. But we will not see any of that equipment anytime soon, so
:03:11. > :03:14.it will not help with any possible potential air strikes on Syria. The
:03:15. > :03:20.rapid deployment capability that we have never had in Britain is what
:03:21. > :03:25.much of this money will fund. That is important in terms of our defence
:03:26. > :03:30.capabilities. It is in line with the Prime Minister's objective to meet
:03:31. > :03:35.the Nato defence target. However, I do wonder where this money is coming
:03:36. > :03:39.from. We are trying to get the balance and surplus in our budget
:03:40. > :03:44.and we are still trying to deal with austerity. This money could be well
:03:45. > :03:50.spent on police, welfare and the NHS, all of which have had to be
:03:51. > :03:57.cut. Nine days ago, these attacks have changed so much. It has been a
:03:58. > :04:04.dramatic, seminal, watershed moment. But this thing about the
:04:05. > :04:10.budget... Given that they are spending on defence and security and
:04:11. > :04:13.a number of other things, it is entirely possible that George
:04:14. > :04:17.Osborne will renege on his commitment to create a ?10 billion
:04:18. > :04:22.surplus in the budget by 2020 and that might be one way of doing
:04:23. > :04:29.something that is also of great political importance for him and the
:04:30. > :04:32.government, Kim as a potential -- him as a potential successor to
:04:33. > :04:40.David Cameron, which is back away from the scandalously tough policies
:04:41. > :04:46.on family tax credits. 10,000 elite troops to fight ISIS. Be
:04:47. > :04:52.restructuring of the army to create two strike forces that can be
:04:53. > :04:59.deployed very quickly. This is the point. This is unprecedented. We
:05:00. > :05:06.have never had Army dealing with crises in this way. In terms of
:05:07. > :05:09.physical numbers, it is important. But also in terms of what this means
:05:10. > :05:16.for our army, which has been cut in recent years. How likely is it that
:05:17. > :05:21.we will have more troops? Or will it be a reorganisation of what we
:05:22. > :05:25.already have? There are two stories about 10,000 troops. Wonders about
:05:26. > :05:28.the deployment of troops overseas. The other is 10,000 troops within
:05:29. > :05:33.the country so that if you have some of these religious fanatics getting
:05:34. > :05:39.into the country with weapons, God forbid, they will be able to deploy
:05:40. > :05:42.soldiers to combat them in addition to the fact that they are training
:05:43. > :05:46.medics with expertise in bullet wounds and all sorts of things so
:05:47. > :05:51.that if this does happen, we will have a much more adequate and
:05:52. > :05:56.efficient response. Russia has been increasing spending while that in
:05:57. > :06:00.the UK is contracting. We will need those soldiers if we have fewer
:06:01. > :06:07.police. Someone has to police our streets. I think that it is the same
:06:08. > :06:14.number, 10,000, for domestic and internal deployment. ?178 billion
:06:15. > :06:18.will go a long way to making that more balanced. Something quite
:06:19. > :06:23.interesting and ironic in a number of these stories is the way that
:06:24. > :06:28.David Cameron is going to position the spending. It is to do with ISIS
:06:29. > :06:34.and Russia. Ins the battle against ISIS, we will be alive with Russia
:06:35. > :06:39.but in other areas, we will be against Russia. It shows the
:06:40. > :06:44.kaleidoscopic complexity... That is a long word but I understand it.
:06:45. > :06:53.Lockdown in Brussels over terror threats. Armed patrols on the
:06:54. > :06:59.streets of the capital. We are expecting a press conference coming
:07:00. > :07:05.out but right now, it is just an empty table with microphones. We are
:07:06. > :07:10.waiting for some of the authorities, potentially the federal
:07:11. > :07:16.prosecutor, to appear at that table very soon and tell us what has been
:07:17. > :07:19.going on. Extraordinarily eerie pictures coming out of Brussels
:07:20. > :07:24.tonight. People have been told to keep away from the windows and the
:07:25. > :07:32.Metro will not be running tomorrow. Brussels is very small but has lots
:07:33. > :07:36.of public space for people. Schools, universities, transport will be
:07:37. > :07:42.closed. President Obama said we should not succumb to this but in
:07:43. > :07:45.Brussels, people are not allowed to go about their normal lives because
:07:46. > :07:50.they are genuinely afraid. They have been told not to go out to concerts
:07:51. > :07:54.or bars. We are just having a look at these pictures. These are the
:07:55. > :08:00.live pictures. We're hoping that we will have some translation because
:08:01. > :08:05.they will probably be speaking Flemish or French and I don't think
:08:06. > :08:09.I can help you out with either. We will come back to that when we get
:08:10. > :08:15.some translation. We understand there may have been a number of
:08:16. > :08:19.arrests this evening in Brussels. We need to get clarification on how
:08:20. > :08:23.many there were and who was arrested. Of course, they are
:08:24. > :08:27.searching at the moment force an avid Slam, who is thought to have
:08:28. > :08:32.been one of the men who intended to blow himself up outside the national
:08:33. > :08:50.stadium in France nine days ago. -- sana -- Salah Abdeslam.
:08:51. > :09:21.We are doing this in the interests of the ongoing investigation. And
:09:22. > :09:24.with the French as well. We think they will speak in English as well
:09:25. > :09:32.but at the moment, we are listening to this in Flemish was it the answer
:09:33. > :09:37.languages spoken in Belgium, French as well, so we might be hearing
:09:38. > :09:41.things in all three, which could prolong things a bit. The Belgian
:09:42. > :09:49.federal prosecutor has said so far that 16 people have been arrested
:09:50. > :09:52.during a raid in Brussels. When we get the translation, we will find
:09:53. > :09:58.out exactly where, because earlier in the evening, we were watching
:09:59. > :10:02.pictures of a street that is close to the main square, and it looked
:10:03. > :10:13.like a boss was being used to block the street -- bus. There was some
:10:14. > :10:18.police activity. But the street was completely deserted besides two of
:10:19. > :10:26.the policemen and then it was all suddenly wrapped up. We understand
:10:27. > :10:31.that 16 people have been arrested. Two shots were fired on a vehicle in
:10:32. > :10:35.Molenbeek, this area of Brussels that has been under constant
:10:36. > :10:40.surveillance since those Paris attacks. It is thought that some of
:10:41. > :10:46.the attackers had connections with Molenbeek. Three houses were
:10:47. > :10:52.searched in another area as well, which is where one of the airports
:10:53. > :10:54.is. Prosecutors say they did not find Salah Abdeslam, who is the
:10:55. > :10:59.person they have been looking for since the attacks happened in Paris.
:11:00. > :11:07.We will come back once we get something in English but we will
:11:08. > :11:11.just take a look at the Guardian. Lockdown in Brussels. And that will
:11:12. > :11:17.continue tomorrow. Schools shut and Metro closed full of no one is going
:11:18. > :11:22.anywhere tomorrow. You can understand why they are jittery.
:11:23. > :11:26.This was almost certainly the logistical command centre for the
:11:27. > :11:31.atrocity and there has clearly been a fast security operation. It is
:11:32. > :11:34.difficult to say whether it was right to shut down the entire
:11:35. > :11:39.Western European capital because we have not seen the intelligence upon
:11:40. > :11:43.which the decision was made, but what strikes me is the vital
:11:44. > :11:45.importance of the flow of information between European
:11:46. > :11:50.security services. The intelligence has to be brought together because
:11:51. > :11:57.these fanatics do not respect national borders whatsoever. And one
:11:58. > :12:00.hopes that these arrests will have caught the sleeper cell that was
:12:01. > :12:04.clearly operating in the middle of Europe. We are just waiting to see
:12:05. > :12:10.if we have any translation because we have a different official who is
:12:11. > :12:15.speaking, this time in French. TRANSLATION: The Brussels
:12:16. > :12:21.prosecutor, the anti-terror prosecution, executed 19 raids this
:12:22. > :12:36.Saturday evening in the Brussels region. These raids took place in
:12:37. > :12:48.Molenbeek, Anderlecht... There were three other raids. 16 people were
:12:49. > :12:53.taken into custody. The judge will decide tomorrow whether or not they
:12:54. > :13:00.should be detained further. During a raid on a snack bar in Molenbeek, a
:13:01. > :13:08.vehicle was driven at the police. Police opened fire twice. The
:13:09. > :13:17.vehicle was able to escape but was later stopped in Brussels. An
:13:18. > :13:22.injured man in the car was arrested. It is impossible to say at
:13:23. > :13:26.the moment whether or not there is a link between these arrests and the
:13:27. > :13:34.investigation is under way. The other raids happened without great
:13:35. > :13:40.incident. The identity of the people who were arrested, we cannot give
:13:41. > :13:47.more information about them yet. No arms or explosives were found. Salah
:13:48. > :14:06.Abdeslam was not intercepted during these raids. There will have to be
:14:07. > :14:13.further actions on Sunday evening. The investigation will continue. We
:14:14. > :14:19.cannot give you more information at this time. The police and the
:14:20. > :14:28.authorities would like to thank the media and social media users for
:14:29. > :14:38.having followed our request not to publish details of the police
:14:39. > :14:40.operation. The Brussels a special investigator ordered a total of 19
:14:41. > :14:46.households such as in the Brussels region. These researchers took place
:14:47. > :14:56.in Molenbeek, Anderlecht and other locations. There were also three
:14:57. > :15:02.house searches... In total, 16 persons were arrested. Just
:15:03. > :15:08.recapping there on those details. 19 raids carried out in Brussels. 16
:15:09. > :15:11.arrests. Properties were searched, two shots fired, vehicle drove at
:15:12. > :15:18.police, and later that vehicle was stopped again. It was delivered by a
:15:19. > :15:22.moon -- man who was wounded. It is not clear if there is any link with
:15:23. > :15:27.the attacks that happened in Paris. Salah Abdeslam, the man they have
:15:28. > :15:30.been looking for, was not among the 16 people arrested. The judge will
:15:31. > :15:34.decide tomorrow whether those people need to remain in custody. If
:15:35. > :15:35.anything else comes out of this press conference in Brussels, we
:15:36. > :15:54.will bring it to you. Will move on and talk about the
:15:55. > :16:03.independent. This is not what you expect from your own party. Not from
:16:04. > :16:09.a leader who was voted in from popular mechanism. Clearly, they are
:16:10. > :16:14.not happy with their leader. They are taken to Facebook this weekend
:16:15. > :16:19.to suggest that it is time all of the bitterness stops because it is
:16:20. > :16:23.creating chaos and not helping the party. People should get on with it
:16:24. > :16:29.and the backbenches should actually deal with it that he is here to stay
:16:30. > :16:33.for a long time and support his measures. I think that's got to be
:16:34. > :16:39.hard for a lot of Labour MPs, because a lot of them don't back
:16:40. > :16:42.him. It is a bit hard to know how you deal with this issue when you've
:16:43. > :16:54.only been in the post for a few weeks. Not even 100 days, is it? No.
:16:55. > :17:03.I ran for the Labour Party back in the day. But there has always been
:17:04. > :17:07.an extraordinary divide. They are very far to the left of most members
:17:08. > :17:10.of Parliament, and most members of Parliament pretend they are very
:17:11. > :17:16.left wing to get selected and start moving to the right to get elected.
:17:17. > :17:21.What has happened, you are right, there is an overwhelming support of
:17:22. > :17:25.him from his convictions and his left-wing credentials, but I don't
:17:26. > :17:29.think this is just symbolic. They're not sniping for political
:17:30. > :17:32.machination. This is a fundamental disagreement about what the Labour
:17:33. > :17:37.Party is for stopping is not going to go away. Until they come up with
:17:38. > :17:43.a better alternative, they have to accept that this man is their
:17:44. > :17:53.leader. He's the person that one and that is reality is. Does he have to
:17:54. > :18:00.get out if there is a vote on his strikes? Competitor to years ago
:18:01. > :18:06.when it was more about regime change, it is now regarded as a
:18:07. > :18:13.threat to our national security. The indications are that he will get
:18:14. > :18:17.around that through a free vote. You have to take your party with you and
:18:18. > :18:22.you have to understand there's going to be issues. And whether a free
:18:23. > :18:30.vote will allow that to take lace, along with dissension and accepting
:18:31. > :18:35.that this is is a reality is importance of blue I feel that
:18:36. > :18:38.Jeremy Corbyn is right with his reluctance in Syria because he is
:18:39. > :18:47.worried that it will feed into this persuasive narrative. These are
:18:48. > :18:51.Crusaders attacking Islam. He is worried that airstrikes alone will
:18:52. > :18:57.not defeat Islamic State. Summing that is backed by a lot of people in
:18:58. > :19:02.the military and it will propagate more fundamental radicalisation is.
:19:03. > :19:07.A lot of people are saying that it just cements more problems and
:19:08. > :19:15.brings terror to this country if we get involved. There has to be a Post
:19:16. > :19:22.a strike plan and surely that has to involve the Arab states? We know
:19:23. > :19:32.that militarily these things cannot be forged. Diplomacy is going to
:19:33. > :19:35.have to be put into full swing. If you even go to militarily spot as
:19:36. > :19:41.you are still going to have to deal with the aftermath and that requires
:19:42. > :19:44.good international relations. The Arab states need to get involved
:19:45. > :19:49.because it has to be good for their region. Look at how impractical that
:19:50. > :19:58.is going to be, the West and the UK to not want Assad to be part of the
:19:59. > :20:03.post-war negotiations. What Jeremy Corbyn is saying is that us sort out
:20:04. > :20:06.the political response and find out what we're looking to achieve in
:20:07. > :20:11.that country before we start bombing and radicalising the country. It was
:20:12. > :20:17.inevitable that the call of a strike could grow in the light of what
:20:18. > :20:24.happened in Mali, and much closer to home, in Paris. Sure, that does not
:20:25. > :20:27.mean it is the right response. It is natural for people to say we need to
:20:28. > :20:33.do something about this, but that does not always mean military
:20:34. > :20:39.action. Diplomacy, if given time and space can work. Even if we do invade
:20:40. > :20:50.Syria, long-term the real politics of the situation need to be solved.
:20:51. > :20:54.The complexity of the tribal structures, the tenuous as of the
:20:55. > :20:58.Borders in that part of the world almost every time we have had an
:20:59. > :21:02.intention based on a particular reaction the unintended consequences
:21:03. > :21:07.have overwhelmed what we expected. We need to bear that in mind in
:21:08. > :21:15.whatever we decide to do. Let us look at the Financial Times, a $550
:21:16. > :21:22.billion deal to create the world 's largest drug maker. This is
:21:23. > :21:25.something unprecedented. Bill Gates said that if you want to move
:21:26. > :21:28.industry in the future there is health, energy and innovation. And
:21:29. > :21:36.this is the biggest health deal ever on our books. It will be the biggest
:21:37. > :21:45.measure to come into the United Kingdom, in the United States and
:21:46. > :21:52.Ireland. We spent a lot of time talking that how taxes are going to
:21:53. > :21:57.pay for defence, NHS and now we have big corporations run to avoid tax,
:21:58. > :21:59.we do need to think about this. How does is passed down mergers and
:22:00. > :22:06.acquisitions regulations if we allow this to happen? They are going to
:22:07. > :22:11.avoid paying 128 alien pounds of overseas tax. They will have a lower
:22:12. > :22:21.tax threshold all over. A disco to show the tax policy of individual
:22:22. > :22:29.nations, and the only way it becomes pay their taxes in an international
:22:30. > :22:36.agreement. We do require drug companies to find ways to treat us.
:22:37. > :22:41.Because governments are doing that because they are dwarfed by the
:22:42. > :22:45.private sector. But they don't get let off on tax on this scale. Just
:22:46. > :22:50.because you provide a service does not mean you get to pay taxes. Then
:22:51. > :22:58.you enter services like Facebook and Google were they don't need to pay
:22:59. > :23:09.taxes. Let us face with the Daily Mail, hypocrisy in the cinemas.
:23:10. > :23:15.They've and the churches video of the Lord's prayer yet allow violent
:23:16. > :23:22.video games to be shown to children. Discuss. This is an
:23:23. > :23:27.interesting story because digital media has banned this advert, in my
:23:28. > :23:31.mind outrageously, because they are worried that it will offend the
:23:32. > :23:36.sensibilities of those coming in to watch the screening of the next Star
:23:37. > :23:40.Wars film. What they are saying, quite legitimately with the support
:23:41. > :23:47.of other religious leaders, and in deed, Richard Dawkins the arch
:23:48. > :23:52.atheist of Western culture. I have some sympathy with that. I don't
:23:53. > :23:56.believe in religion for one moment, my personal view is that it is all a
:23:57. > :24:00.fairytale, but they should have the right to advertise if other people
:24:01. > :24:06.are allowed to advertise discuss. I agree. Freedom of speech is not a
:24:07. > :24:12.discussion this is an agreement. Is a row to Christmas, it is a possible
:24:13. > :24:18.show, and it is a great marketing ploy to talk about faith. It is
:24:19. > :24:22.unprecedented to do it in the cinema, but I would like to think
:24:23. > :24:31.who they think they are going to offend? There is no survey been
:24:32. > :24:41.done. Some good synergy between religion and the religious symbolism
:24:42. > :24:46.of the force. Is not often that religious people and Richard Dawkins
:24:47. > :25:03.come together. Made a force be with us and also with you -- may the.
:25:04. > :25:05.Just to look at the press conference that was just happening a moment ago
:25:06. > :25:09.where French prosecutors were telling us that there have been 19
:25:10. > :25:20.raids in the Brussels region throughout the evening. 16 people
:25:21. > :25:24.have then arrested. -- been. They tell us that the man that has been
:25:25. > :25:29.on the run was not part of those arrests. A judge will have to decide
:25:30. > :25:34.whether those people remain in custody or not. We will bring you
:25:35. > :25:36.more details on who those people who were arrested after wrap the night
:25:37. > :25:38.here on BBC News.