:00:00. > :00:14.That's all the sport, now on BBC News, Gavin Esler has The Papers.
:00:15. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:18. > :00:20.With me are Lisa Markwell, the editor of the Independent on Sunday,
:00:21. > :00:23.and Ian Birrell, contributing editor at the Mail on Sunday.
:00:24. > :00:32.The Mail on Sunday leads with Grant Shapps' resignation and the scandal
:00:33. > :00:36.The Telegraph reports that David Cameron has also been dragged in
:00:37. > :00:39.to the crisis of alleged bullying inside the Conservative Party.
:00:40. > :00:42.Grant Shapps and his wife are pictured on front
:00:43. > :00:45.of The Sunday Express - but it leads with story that up to 100 prisoners
:00:46. > :00:49.serving life sentences could be let out of jail for Christmas.
:00:50. > :00:52.The Observer reports that David Cameron is to risk a Commons
:00:53. > :00:57.vote over Syria strikes despite a split in the Labour Party.
:00:58. > :01:00.The Times also goes with that story and claims that if David Cameron
:01:01. > :01:03.wins the vote, he will order RAF air strikes to target the masterminds
:01:04. > :01:10.There's more on that story in the the Independent On Sunday - it
:01:11. > :01:15.has a warning to Jeremy Corbyn from his deputy that he must back down.
:01:16. > :01:17.And finally the Sunday Post has a poll which says that
:01:18. > :01:20.the public cautiously back bombing raids against IS, but that 74%
:01:21. > :01:27.of people fear a terrorist attack on the UK within the year.
:01:28. > :01:37.Let's begin. The big story, presumably, of the week, is The
:01:38. > :01:42.Observer, Cameron to risk the vote over Syria is the Labour crisis
:01:43. > :01:48.deepens. It is a risk because he does not know what the Labour MPs
:01:49. > :01:52.will do, nor does anybody. On an issue like this where the divisions
:01:53. > :01:56.are not purely down party lines, it is really important for him that he
:01:57. > :02:01.knows how many Labour MPs are likely to vote four. There is a lot of
:02:02. > :02:07.behind-the-scenes machinations which we will probably come onto. The word
:02:08. > :02:11.risk is key in that headline. Nothing is certain. Especially since
:02:12. > :02:16.he has said, effectively, I will not do this unless we get a reasonable
:02:17. > :02:20.majority, it would be a propaganda coup for Islamic State. And they
:02:21. > :02:24.can't risk what happened in 2030 with Ed Miliband, he has to be sure
:02:25. > :02:30.that if it goes to a vote can he gets the answer. I don't think it is
:02:31. > :02:38.such a big risk. He will not have any risk if there is any chance of
:02:39. > :02:41.him losing, especially after what happened in 2013, when he was
:02:42. > :02:46.pushing for attacks on the other side regime, and then he had to turn
:02:47. > :02:52.around and say to Obama and others, I am sorry, I can't go ahead with
:02:53. > :02:56.it. There are arguments in favour of air strikes, one of them is that if
:02:57. > :03:01.we do not stand by our allies, why are we with them? Is that
:03:02. > :03:04.reasonable? I think it is the weakest argument, along with the
:03:05. > :03:08.fact that it is somehow about Britain being a big guy in the
:03:09. > :03:11.world. I think Cameron spoke very well last week and was very
:03:12. > :03:15.presidential and authoritative, that I think it is wrong, I think the
:03:16. > :03:20.argument is all flawed for attacking Syria. I think the only winners will
:03:21. > :03:25.be Assad, the guy who has killed far more people, and Putin, both of whom
:03:26. > :03:30.we were being told by the Prime Minister were threats to our
:03:31. > :03:34.security and enemies of our state. The newspapers are split in terms of
:03:35. > :03:40.the editorial, and not done straightforward party lines. The
:03:41. > :03:43.Daily Mail is saying... Interestingly, or perhaps not
:03:44. > :03:48.interestingly because they are separate papers, the Mail on Sunday
:03:49. > :03:53.has come down on the separate side. The Observer says absolutely no. I
:03:54. > :03:59.have taken a lot of advice from one of the world's 's leading expert on
:04:00. > :04:04.the Middle East. When people like him, Patrick, and very many
:04:05. > :04:08.political and military experts are unable to absolutely pinpoint which
:04:09. > :04:14.way to go, I think it is very, very difficult. On balance, I think the
:04:15. > :04:18.case has not been made. Air strikes is one thing, we have looked about
:04:19. > :04:22.the paper, but it is afterwards. Cameron talked very well, not only
:04:23. > :04:27.the military part of it but the political strategies. And it going
:04:28. > :04:33.forward, but I think it is by no means certain. I have talked to a
:04:34. > :04:37.number of people, one argument that has been made is that you can never
:04:38. > :04:41.foresee where any of this will turn out, decapitation strategy is in
:04:42. > :04:46.Libya and Iraq went badly, this is not the same, this is not trying to
:04:47. > :04:50.overthrow a government. Bit in Iraq their ground forces with the Kurds,
:04:51. > :04:55.who when you do the bombing raids, they are basically good guys, there
:04:56. > :04:59.are not that many of them, they are pushing forward on the ground. So
:05:00. > :05:04.the air strikes that have a purpose. In Syria, we do not know who the
:05:05. > :05:10.good guys are, the allies are, the beneficiaries are, the forces. The
:05:11. > :05:14.talk of 70,000 moderate forces, they are attacking Assad, not Isis, and
:05:15. > :05:20.they are in the south anyway. Even advisers goes, it will not deal with
:05:21. > :05:24.the underlying problems to do with sectarianism, repression, the old
:05:25. > :05:27.colonial borders, foreign intervention. This is not just a
:05:28. > :05:34.problem in Iraq and Syria but we conceded with Boko Haram in Nigeria,
:05:35. > :05:37.in Yemen, in Mali, in Bangladesh. Isis are claiming to have carried
:05:38. > :05:43.out some political murders in Bangladesh. This will not be solved
:05:44. > :05:48.by bombing Isis. It is much, much more complicated. In some ways, the
:05:49. > :05:52.public are being duped by thinking that an attack on Isis will solve
:05:53. > :05:56.the problems. Obviously it is a horrible, malevolent force causing
:05:57. > :06:01.untold misery, but getting rid of them aid going to solve the
:06:02. > :06:05.problems. The Independent on Sunday, Watson warns Corbyn that you must
:06:06. > :06:14.back down. His boss fights on for a majority against bombing, Watson
:06:15. > :06:19.would like a vote. The fact that Tom Watson is saying that is a big
:06:20. > :06:22.story? It is. We were discussing this beforehand, Tom Watson has not
:06:23. > :06:28.said a huge amount in the last ten days or so, that he has come back
:06:29. > :06:32.thunderously with this exclusive that he has spoken to us about,
:06:33. > :06:36.which is very much a reaction to the fact that Jeremy Corbyn seems to be
:06:37. > :06:42.trying to circumnavigate what any other political leader would think
:06:43. > :06:46.would be the usual rules of how to get your Shadow Cabinet and you MPs
:06:47. > :06:49.behind you. He has e-mailed all the party membership trying to do the
:06:50. > :06:57.grassroots rebellion inside the party. Watson, as you would probably
:06:58. > :07:02.expect a deputy, the sober boys, it turns out, in all of this, to say
:07:03. > :07:06.that has to be a free vote, you will not be able to persuade the Shadow
:07:07. > :07:11.Cabinet. It will not work. There are lots of slightly complicated things
:07:12. > :07:16.going on which our something about Corbyn's offers sent out weapons
:07:17. > :07:20.they might, and e-mail, we have a story inside, an e-mail to selected
:07:21. > :07:24.Labour MPs on Wednesday night saying that Cameron has not made the case,
:07:25. > :07:30.I am unequivocally against. That was Wednesday night, Cameron did not lay
:07:31. > :07:35.out his case until Thursday. It was a bit prejudged. A little bit. It
:07:36. > :07:44.feels like the heels are dug in, if he has to change and, as Watson
:07:45. > :07:52.says, have a free vote, it will be really uncomfortable. And there are
:07:53. > :07:54.very senior trade union leaders expressing disquiet, the Shadow
:07:55. > :07:58.Foreign Secretary at the Shadow Defence Secretary as well. It is an
:07:59. > :08:02.utter and complete farce what is going on in the Labour party. When
:08:03. > :08:07.you think it can't get worse, it gets worse. It is humiliating for
:08:08. > :08:11.them. Robert Harris has a very powerful column in the Sunday Times,
:08:12. > :08:16.which I don't intently agree with, but it is fantastic Labour, he says
:08:17. > :08:21.it is not about splits in the party, it is an existential crisis in the
:08:22. > :08:26.party, what is its point, will it totally split? The MPs wrote sync
:08:27. > :08:30.with the party. They may think they are more in sync with the
:08:31. > :08:33.electorate, which they probably are, but the party has changed. There are
:08:34. > :08:39.lots of new members and there is a clash. The other unavoidable fact is
:08:40. > :08:43.that, possibly for the wrong reasons, Corbyn was right on Iraq,
:08:44. > :08:47.host of the guys opposing him were wrong on Iraq by backing the war,
:08:48. > :08:53.and I also think he is right on the Syrian crisis. That is another
:08:54. > :08:58.problem. I think it is right what Ian is saying, Corbyn speaks a lot
:08:59. > :09:02.of sense. Although it is driven a lot by anti-American is. The reasons
:09:03. > :09:05.might be wrong, but we do not know what we are about to do, we should
:09:06. > :09:11.think about it more carefully and not be rushed to action, that is
:09:12. > :09:15.very important. When you talk outside of Westminster and media
:09:16. > :09:19.bubble, you talk to people outside, the new members or some of a
:09:20. > :09:24.long-time members the Labour Party, they completely believe in Corbyn
:09:25. > :09:27.and think that he is a highly principled person and they support
:09:28. > :09:31.an entirely on this. It is very interesting last night after we put
:09:32. > :09:36.the front page up, I got so much on Twitter and other social media from
:09:37. > :09:40.Labour members saying that Watson is being completely disloyal, he must
:09:41. > :09:46.go because Corbyn is the leader and we support him. I just spoke to the
:09:47. > :09:49.Labour MP Stephen Kinnock, he said the trouble with that argument is
:09:50. > :09:53.that if you have a leader who has rebelled 500 times against previous
:09:54. > :09:58.leaders, or call the loyalty is fairly nonsensical. He promised a
:09:59. > :10:02.new politics and he is demonstrating it, but it is politics bordering on
:10:03. > :10:06.farce. We hear the word mandate all the time, he has thousands and
:10:07. > :10:12.thousands of people, he is appealing direct route to them. It is
:10:13. > :10:15.difficult to mute that. People will feel even more disenchanted and
:10:16. > :10:20.disenfranchised of their own leader does not speak to them. Shadow
:10:21. > :10:23.Cabinet members say that the most frustrating thing is not that they
:10:24. > :10:27.are at loggerheads, he just does nothing, he backs off and things
:10:28. > :10:30.explode in the media. It must be very hard for a politician to deal
:10:31. > :10:36.with. Moving onto the Mail on Sunday, it
:10:37. > :10:40.has campaigned quite strongly on this issue, the Tory scandal forces
:10:41. > :10:47.minister out, Grant Shapps, exposed after we revealed new MP blackmail
:10:48. > :10:52.pot doomed? The PM's pal is in the firing line over our revelations.
:10:53. > :10:56.This could have been an open goal for Labour, it is really mucky
:10:57. > :11:01.stuff? It shows the depth of the Labour crisis that we are talking
:11:02. > :11:05.about it third this morning, it is astonishing. The political editor of
:11:06. > :11:10.the Mail on Sunday, Simon Walters, has uncovered this for weeks before
:11:11. > :11:13.the rest of the media picked it up. Suddenly it has exploded. Sit back
:11:14. > :11:20.and think about it, it is astonishing. A story about sex and
:11:21. > :11:24.drugs and blackmail and careerist politics all going on within the
:11:25. > :11:28.Conservative Party, reaching the very highest levels. It involves
:11:29. > :11:34.three past party chairman, it involves the new deputy chairman, it
:11:35. > :11:39.is very extraordinary. At root, it confirms the public's worst fears
:11:40. > :11:53.about politics. It is like a rejected version of the Alan Busted
:11:54. > :12:01.normal Mark Roe -- the television story. It tars them all? Shadowy
:12:02. > :12:06.figure of the MP he was not named, they know who it is, they say coyly,
:12:07. > :12:14.but out of respect will not name them... Respect for the lawyers!
:12:15. > :12:18.Batters MacGuffin for me, this is about David Cameron's choices. --
:12:19. > :12:22.that is a McGuffin. Until he could not support Grant Shapps any more,
:12:23. > :12:26.he very much supported him. As Simon Heather says in the Telegraph, the
:12:27. > :12:31.water had closed over Grant Shapps very quickly. He has not left any
:12:32. > :12:36.mark at all. Nevertheless, Cameron really believed in him and supported
:12:37. > :12:41.him. Lord Feldman, a very close friend of Cameron's. This is where
:12:42. > :12:46.it is creeping up. The idea of sex scandals is interesting, but it goes
:12:47. > :12:50.to the heart of the choices of who is running the country, who is
:12:51. > :12:55.advising the Prime Minister. Leaving this aside, Feldman has been a very
:12:56. > :12:59.good chairman for the party. Financially, you still very good job
:13:00. > :13:02.and sorted out a lot of operations. There is a friendship issue but he
:13:03. > :13:07.has been a very, very effective chairman behind-the-scenes.
:13:08. > :13:14.Nevertheless if, as we are being told today, warnings as far back as
:13:15. > :13:20.2009 were given to people at Lord Feldman's level and they did nothing
:13:21. > :13:22.about it, even if there were lots of individual, slightly lower-level
:13:23. > :13:27.warnings, you would expect some body running things to say, hold on a
:13:28. > :13:29.minute. Somebody as intelligent as Lord Feldman should have every
:13:30. > :13:35.lights that one day this would gather strength. -- should have
:13:36. > :13:42.realised. This will run and run, there is lots more in it? It is
:13:43. > :13:46.almost ambient good not to run. Lets not forget Elliot Johnson, the poor
:13:47. > :13:52.young man motivated by politics, really wanted to get involved, is
:13:53. > :13:56.now dead and his father, incredibly bravely and very strongly, is saying
:13:57. > :14:00.that Grant Shapps going is absolutely not... Grant Shapps says
:14:01. > :14:04.the buck stops with me, I am sorry, that is not the case, Andrei Johnson
:14:05. > :14:10.wants this to go all the way, he wanted those who took -- and Ray
:14:11. > :14:17.Johnson wants this to go all the way, he says he wants those who knew
:14:18. > :14:19.about it to take responsibility. On the Sunday Telegraph, I think it is
:14:20. > :14:24.the best political comment of the day, it often comes from
:14:25. > :14:27.cartoonist, on the front page there are two activists in Labour Party
:14:28. > :14:33.headquarters, one says to the other, obviously things won't run this
:14:34. > :14:40.movie when Jeremy Corbyn's honeymoon period is over. Almost always
:14:41. > :14:44.absolutely spot-on. We were counting up Corbyn pits days in the office,
:14:45. > :14:52.it is day 85, normally when they take over, the first 100 days, as
:14:53. > :14:57.newspaper editors, you get those pieces ready. We'll Jeremy Corbyn
:14:58. > :15:02.make it to 100 days? The cartoonist nails it. The mechanism for removing
:15:03. > :15:05.a leader of the Labour Party, especially one with a thumping
:15:06. > :15:10.majority, he could be the leader for as long as he chooses. But people
:15:11. > :15:14.are already saying publicly that he must go. In the days after he got
:15:15. > :15:18.the job, literally the next day, senior people said there is no
:15:19. > :15:22.question of him quitting. I thought that was rather indicative. The
:15:23. > :15:29.Oldham by-election will be very interesting. The fact that Corbyn
:15:30. > :15:33.has decided not to go, he may pop up in his grey tracksuit at the last
:15:34. > :15:36.minute, but at the moment he is not going. It is likely heartbreaking,
:15:37. > :15:42.you would expect that to be front and centre of what he is doing. Ukip
:15:43. > :15:48.have had a bad time, leadership problems, it might kick-start them.
:15:49. > :15:52.Internally, the Independent On Saturday had a poll saying that his
:15:53. > :15:58.majority is down to as little as 1000. From 15,000.
:15:59. > :16:03.The Sunday Telegraph has got Murrays put Britain on the brink of
:16:04. > :16:06.cup glory, the Sunday Times says all set for the final showdown, Andy
:16:07. > :16:11.Murray, the prospect of winning the Davis Cup for the first time since
:16:12. > :16:16.1936. What can you say, it is very exciting and stop this brings
:16:17. > :16:21.together two sporting stories from both ends of the spectrum, the fine
:16:22. > :16:27.gentleman sport of tennis and the rather more... How shall we say
:16:28. > :16:31.unglamorous sport of boxing, although there is more money in
:16:32. > :16:38.boxing. We have not had a British winner of the title since 1936 or
:16:39. > :16:43.1934, Ian has all the details. We would have had more recent, but it
:16:44. > :16:47.is amazing, a huge shock in boxing, Robert Lee the biggest shock of the
:16:48. > :16:51.25 years. Little was known about this guy, he came along and he has
:16:52. > :16:55.beaten the world champion, who has been raining for a long time. It is
:16:56. > :17:01.an underdog triumph, the classic rock singer story. It made the front
:17:02. > :17:06.page of the Telegraph sport, fists of Few read, he defeats Klitschko to
:17:07. > :17:10.become heavyweight champion of the world. I don't think most British
:17:11. > :17:18.people outside of the boxing world will know of him. -- fists of Fury.
:17:19. > :17:23.Boxing is not the force, no plan intended, that it used to be, they
:17:24. > :17:28.all papal view -- pay-per-view, you can watch them in the pub, they are
:17:29. > :17:35.on at crazy hours of the day and night will stop de Gea used ago to
:17:36. > :17:43.the pub to watch boxing? -- didn't you used ago? Not on Saturday, I am
:17:44. > :17:48.busy! One of the stories is not on the papers at all, the junior
:17:49. > :17:53.doctors strike on Tuesday. At the moment it looks like it is going
:17:54. > :17:56.ahead. And also the Paris climate conference, there will be a big
:17:57. > :18:03.march in London. And all over the place. Those are two big stories
:18:04. > :18:09.which made none of the front pages. The Telegraph has the junior doctors
:18:10. > :18:13.on it, for the public, that is probably the biggest story. Battle
:18:14. > :18:19.most affect people. It is difficult to see what could avert that. I
:18:20. > :18:22.think Jeremy Hunt, something said yesterday that they think it is too
:18:23. > :18:27.later but they will still attempt another talk with him tomorrow.
:18:28. > :18:31.Everybody is so caught up in Syria and Labour 's shenanigans that it
:18:32. > :18:37.has dropped away. It will be a heck of a week in politics, the
:18:38. > :18:41.prospective chaos in the NHS, the prospect of bombing or not bombing
:18:42. > :18:47.Syria, Oldham and what is going on in the Labour Party. Is that why you
:18:48. > :18:53.are journalist? I can keep my feet up until next Saturday! It is a
:18:54. > :18:59.Sunday paper. Thank you very much. Our thanks to Lisa and Ian. We take
:19:00. > :19:01.a look at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10:30pm and 11:30pm
:19:02. > :19:04.on BBC News.