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:00:00. > :00:00.against Islamic State targets. That is the very latest from Westminster.

:00:00. > :00:17.Let's see how it's all going to be reported in tomorrow's papers.

:00:18. > :00:19.Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

:00:20. > :00:24.With me are Beth Rigby, the media editor of the Times, and the writer

:00:25. > :00:33.Tomorrow's front pages are dominated, as you'd expect,

:00:34. > :00:35.by tonight's vote on airstrikes in Syria.

:00:36. > :00:38.The Times leads with what it describes as the huge majority -

:00:39. > :00:41.of 174 votes - that David Cameron won from MPs for his plans

:00:42. > :00:47.The Express claims the RAF could be ready to strike

:00:48. > :00:57.The Sun is even more specific, "Tornados at dawn," it proclaims.

:00:58. > :01:00.The Mirror calls it "Cam's War," and reports that Labour leader

:01:01. > :01:05.Jeremy Corbyn has accused the PM of rushing into battle.

:01:06. > :01:08.The Telegraph carries an excerpt from Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary

:01:09. > :01:10.Benn's Commons speech on its front page, we must "confront

:01:11. > :01:17.The Mail looks further forward, asking the question, "After

:01:18. > :01:25.And the Independent says the vote the is a step on the "road to

:01:26. > :01:34.Raqqa," the unofficial capital of the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

:01:35. > :01:43.Well, we are going to begin with the Telegraph, which quotes what Hilary

:01:44. > :01:46.Benn had to say. Yeah, he met the Shadow Foreign Secretary and made a

:01:47. > :01:55.very powerful speech in the Commons -- verse Shadow Foreign Secretary.

:01:56. > :02:00.He talks about being faced by fascists, the fact that these people

:02:01. > :02:04.hold us and our values in content, and he gave this very powerful

:02:05. > :02:08.speech on the floor of the house, with Jeremy Corbyn sitting next to

:02:09. > :02:13.him, the leader of the Labour Party, who deeply disagrees with him, and

:02:14. > :02:17.sat down to the applause of both conservatives and many on his own

:02:18. > :02:21.band, which is very unusual in the House of Commons, to hear applause

:02:22. > :02:24.-- bench. Interesting that even at the weekend we were talking about

:02:25. > :02:29.whether he could get the numbers for this vote, if he would try to whip

:02:30. > :02:32.his MPs, even a month ago that he thought he could not bring ever to

:02:33. > :02:35.the House of Commons because he would not be able to get the

:02:36. > :02:42.numbers. And then we end up tonight, he has landed 174 majority,

:02:43. > :02:46.a very definite majority. And interestingly, I don't know if this

:02:47. > :02:51.was to do with Hilary Benn's speech, but in terms of Labour Tom this

:02:52. > :02:59.morning we were talking about 45-50 voting with the Government to vote

:03:00. > :03:07.for air strikes, up to 67 tonight -- Labour, this morning. They have to

:03:08. > :03:10.be seen in the context of Labour's incredibly pained history. Labour

:03:11. > :03:15.has always seen itself as an internationalist party. And Tony

:03:16. > :03:18.Blair, when he came into power, fortified walls in six years.

:03:19. > :03:27.Everyone thought it was just right. It wasn't. -- Fortt five wars. --

:03:28. > :03:31.fought. With regard to Bosnia, it led to Tony Blair to intervene in

:03:32. > :03:39.Kosovo and Sierra Leone, then the air strikes, the original ones, in

:03:40. > :03:44.Iraq and then Afghanistan. So far, relatively uncontroversial, then

:03:45. > :03:48.Iraq, the dodgy dossier, all of the lies, if that is what you want to

:03:49. > :03:51.call it, stretching the truth, Chilcott eventually will come out

:03:52. > :03:57.with it, but pretty much everybody knows that the case was manufactured

:03:58. > :04:04.a year beforehand. We see this in the context of public opinion and a

:04:05. > :04:10.party that has been absolutely traumatised by that year. And then

:04:11. > :04:16.absolutely torn asunder by what's gone on over the last several days.

:04:17. > :04:21.Jeremy Corbyn versus the parliamentary party that has never

:04:22. > :04:29.reconciled itself. And then here comes Hilary Benn using a sort of

:04:30. > :04:32.refashioning, that sort of Blairite, quasi- Churchill, we have to beat

:04:33. > :04:38.the fascist, I am getting around of applause in the House of Commons. In

:04:39. > :04:45.some ways it has turned full circle. It is also extraordinary to see

:04:46. > :04:50.debate -- V debate ending with the Shadow Foreign Secretary and the

:04:51. > :04:56.Foreign Secretary both in agreement with each other -- the debate. It

:04:57. > :05:02.was incredible and actually, it says here in the Telegraph story, Philip

:05:03. > :05:04.Hammond called Hilary Benn's speech one of the truly great speeches in

:05:05. > :05:21.parliamentary history. It was a very painful night for

:05:22. > :05:26.Labour. Those on the benches were whipped and to Jeremy Corbyn would

:05:27. > :05:33.have wanted to whip that vote but he couldn't in the end corral his party

:05:34. > :05:40.into backing him. We saw figures on Twitter earlier that said 11 of his

:05:41. > :05:43.shadow cabinet members voted with the government. What some of the

:05:44. > :05:52.shadow cabinet have said to me in the run-up to this vote was that

:05:53. > :05:58.Hillary Benn had been working very hard behind the scenes to make the

:05:59. > :06:01.case to colleagues to support the airstrikes where Jeremy Corbyn

:06:02. > :06:09.hadn't made that case in the same way. He went on television to make a

:06:10. > :06:14.public appeal and direct action has been happening where MPs have

:06:15. > :06:19.reflectively been hounded and bullied by some members and Labour

:06:20. > :06:26.activists. Just pausing for a moment because we have been told by the

:06:27. > :06:30.Ministry of Defence that two Tornadoes have taken off from Cyprus

:06:31. > :06:38.but they're not saying what their destination is. It could still be

:06:39. > :06:42.the preplanned activity in Iraq. It must be said, it is very interesting

:06:43. > :06:52.to me in these moments, and people who have been long enough around

:06:53. > :06:55.camera member these occasions of the parliament voting on military

:06:56. > :07:03.action, what didn't happen two years ago with the first voting on Syria,

:07:04. > :07:07.the government hasn't always given its consent and things have gone

:07:08. > :07:11.wrong. Most recently, Libya and we're not even talking about the

:07:12. > :07:18.most famous intervention in Iraq. Libya, David Cameron turns up and it

:07:19. > :07:23.is the first phase of intervention which often seems to carry a certain

:07:24. > :07:31.amount of public opinion along with it. That was deemed OK when it first

:07:32. > :07:45.happened. If it hadn't happened, would there have been a massacre in

:07:46. > :07:52.Benghazi? Out and out opponents about this military action may come

:07:53. > :07:55.together if Daesh gets more strongly hit but then there is the question

:07:56. > :08:02.that is already being discussed tonight, what happens in six

:08:03. > :08:07.months? As we move through the papers, let's just stay with the

:08:08. > :08:11.Sun. It tallies what I have just said to some extent about the

:08:12. > :08:16.Ministry of Defence. It is clearly not going to take along now, given

:08:17. > :08:20.the vote, before some kind of military action takes place. It is

:08:21. > :08:24.quite interesting the way the papers have divided. The Telegraph is very

:08:25. > :08:29.much covering the political debate in the house and the Sun, the Daily

:08:30. > :08:36.Mail and the Times have moved into what happens next, with the

:08:37. > :08:43.airstrikes beginning. The Daily Mail is asking what happens next. Let's

:08:44. > :08:49.move on to the Daily Mail. It quite often takes positions that you would

:08:50. > :08:53.think are atypical for a political viewpoint. It has been quite

:08:54. > :09:00.sceptical of David Cameron's attempts to make the case of the

:09:01. > :09:10.last several days. Interestingly, however, once the vote has been

:09:11. > :09:19.declared, the results, here we just get a snippet of the leader's

:09:20. > :09:26.comments praying for the safety and success of the RAF. They are

:09:27. > :09:29.basically saying, now that it has happened, they will no longer

:09:30. > :09:34.criticize but they have been criticizing up until now. We also

:09:35. > :09:41.have people talking about the use of specialist ground forces. They have

:09:42. > :09:46.some very specialist security forces who have been deployed in

:09:47. > :09:51.reconnaissance missions or something. Rather than actually

:09:52. > :09:58.having troops. The whole debate in the House of Commons, a lot of it

:09:59. > :10:02.was about the 70,000 troops on the ground and whether they were local

:10:03. > :10:12.forces. I think any sense that troops from the UK will be deployed

:10:13. > :10:16.in Syria will get MPs extremely concerned. It has been hard enough

:10:17. > :10:21.to bring the country around to airstrikes and what... Let alone

:10:22. > :10:27.with ground troops, and I think what has been the most interesting part

:10:28. > :10:31.of the Daily Mail's coverage is that the country is extremely divided on

:10:32. > :10:34.airstrikes, literally split down the middle. I think that is partly why

:10:35. > :10:41.they have taken a more nuanced position, because they are trying to

:10:42. > :10:49.reflect both sides. It and so many papers in the road to Iraq were

:10:50. > :10:53.fully behind it. So many journalists, so many newspaper

:10:54. > :11:00.editors were unbelievably credulous. And again, people forget,

:11:01. > :11:05.the first six months of the actual invasion in Iraq was extremely

:11:06. > :11:09.successful militarily. The forces got to Baghdad incredibly quickly

:11:10. > :11:13.and the first few months were pretty successful, toppling the statue 's.

:11:14. > :11:17.It was only when you got to about August that things start to go wrong

:11:18. > :11:24.and then they never found the WMDs that didn't exist. It was not only

:11:25. > :11:27.the Daily Mail, but all of the papers at the time. I think there is

:11:28. > :11:34.an element of papers having been learned, and hedging bets and being

:11:35. > :11:40.more circumspect. What did you think of the debate today? I think Iraq

:11:41. > :11:52.lurks in our minds. But the fundamental difference,, --

:11:53. > :12:02.difference, is that the main political and parliamentary lessons

:12:03. > :12:08.learned from Iraq, are that any action needs to be endorsed

:12:09. > :12:14.militarily. And there is a much greater sense of transparency and

:12:15. > :12:18.process now, which certainly wasn't the case with Iraq, whether or not

:12:19. > :12:24.you agreed with it on principle. The Daily Mirror are obviously saying

:12:25. > :12:31.very clearly, this is now the Prime Minister's for, they are

:12:32. > :12:37.traditionally not a big fan of David Cameron. It goes back to Tony

:12:38. > :12:46.Blair's wars, Pjanic on him if it goes wrong -- pin it on him. The

:12:47. > :12:50.point of this vote is that David Cameron was very burnt when he went

:12:51. > :12:56.to the house in 2013 and asked for airstrikes in Syria and was voted

:12:57. > :13:01.down. I think it's sort of scarred him in some way, that defeat. So

:13:02. > :13:06.what the government have tried to do is build a coalition across the

:13:07. > :13:11.House. They were clear that they were not going to come back to the

:13:12. > :13:13.commons to take a vote on this unless they had cross party

:13:14. > :13:19.agreement and could get that vote through. He was not going to risk

:13:20. > :13:23.another defeat. You can call it his war, he is the Prime Minister, and

:13:24. > :13:28.ultimately he brought the vote but ultimately, this has been a cross

:13:29. > :13:33.party decision and to the fact that 67 Labour MPs have voted for it

:13:34. > :13:38.against the shadow of Iraq and against the wishes of their leader

:13:39. > :13:43.makes it feel more cross party, and also the Lib Dems backed as well.

:13:44. > :13:51.But the much more recent piece of history or present news where the

:13:52. > :13:59.bombings in Paris, -- were. If they had not happened, this would not be

:14:00. > :14:04.happening today. It seems terrible to say, but there would have been

:14:05. > :14:07.something somewhere else because that just seems to be what is

:14:08. > :14:14.happening at the moment. It would have been in Belgium or Germany, it

:14:15. > :14:19.could have happened in Britain. Seven were foiled in 12 months

:14:20. > :14:22.according to David Cameron. It could have happened in any major European

:14:23. > :14:29.city but it was the catalyst for all of this and the fact that the French

:14:30. > :14:33.were absolutely involved. That UN resolution was very important to the

:14:34. > :14:36.Labour Party. I thought Margaret Beckett gave a very powerful speech

:14:37. > :14:42.as well and the Daily Telegraph quote her where she said, they had

:14:43. > :14:50.been asked to agree precisely because that is what Daesh do. She

:14:51. > :14:56.asked how we could turn our back on the French when they asked for our

:14:57. > :15:05.help. The Independent have called it the Road to Raaqa. They have a

:15:06. > :15:12.strange picture. It is a picture of a demonstrator who has rolled under

:15:13. > :15:17.a lorry. It doesn't quite capture the drama of the evening. Although

:15:18. > :15:23.it certainly gets marks for being different. But that is the other

:15:24. > :15:32.part of it, which we have mentioned. The extent of the

:15:33. > :15:39.opposition. Protests are likely to be daily or very frequent all the

:15:40. > :15:42.way through. If I had been a picture editor, I would've taken a picture

:15:43. > :15:46.of the people physically lying down on the road outside Parliament with

:15:47. > :15:51.all the cars being stopped but that was quite a spontaneous moment,

:15:52. > :15:56.where these protesters basically completely blocked Parliament

:15:57. > :16:00.Square. One other story to mention. Sadly this is the one that has been

:16:01. > :16:06.emerging throughout the evening here. The front of the Times

:16:07. > :16:15.features it. A photograph of one of the victims being wheeled away to to

:16:16. > :16:19.an ambulance from California. Very strange phenomenon of the elasticity

:16:20. > :16:25.of news on any day of the week. This would have been blanket coverage in

:16:26. > :16:28.every single paper, but the only paper that gives that any coverage

:16:29. > :16:38.at all in the first additions we have seen is the Times. Obama has

:16:39. > :16:44.been on the airways in the past hour, grim faced again over another

:16:45. > :16:48.massacre, saying this sort of gun violence has no parallel anywhere

:16:49. > :16:54.elsewhere in the world. Every time this happens, he comes out, grim

:16:55. > :16:58.faced, and appeals to his citizens to deal with it and it just keeps

:16:59. > :17:04.happening. When two people died in a recent massacre in Oregon in

:17:05. > :17:11.October. Colorado was just a few days ago. Really sad. You get the

:17:12. > :17:14.feeling that it is his one piece of unfinished business before he goes

:17:15. > :17:20.and he knows he is not going to make any progress. On that note, thank

:17:21. > :17:22.you very much indeed. Coming up, the latest headlines but before that the

:17:23. > :17:37.weather. Wright good evening. It has been

:17:38. > :17:38.very mild across southern parts of the evening