:00:00. > :00:13.Now on BBC News here's Maxine with The Papers.
:00:14. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:18. > :00:20.With me are former Treasury minister and corporate advisor,
:00:21. > :00:23.Angela Knight, and James Rampton, features editor at the Independent.
:00:24. > :00:33.The Sunday Express leads with Storm Desmond and reports it has claimed
:00:34. > :00:36.its first victim in London - a 90-year-old pensioner who reportedly
:00:37. > :00:40.died after the gale force winds blew him into the side of a moving bus.
:00:41. > :00:42.The Observer says the Shadow Cabinet is bracing itself
:00:43. > :00:44.for what MPs are calling a "revenge reshuffle", following Labour's
:00:45. > :00:54.The Independent on Sunday also carries the claims, adding plans
:00:55. > :00:59.And the Sunday Telegraph reports on a 'terrorist incident'
:01:00. > :01:02.at Leytonstone Tube station after police tackle a knifeman who injured
:01:03. > :01:08.three people while allegedly screaming 'This is for Syria'.
:01:09. > :01:22.What would you like to start with? The Sunday Express and the killer
:01:23. > :01:29.storm? Firstly, I am so sorry, I feel for that pensioner and his
:01:30. > :01:31.family. Yesterday the winds were strong enough down here, let alone
:01:32. > :01:35.in the North of England. Your conscience being buffeted around, to
:01:36. > :01:41.keep your feet on the ground, if you are a bit frail, so a real tragedy
:01:42. > :01:45.there. Some of the pictures in the newspapers today are pretty
:01:46. > :01:50.impressive. You have water that has risen very quickly opt to the first
:01:51. > :01:54.floor, waves, you know. This Israel Dagg the station staff. For a lot of
:01:55. > :02:00.people it is not the first time as well. Absolutely. And it may come
:02:01. > :02:04.quickly with a lot of wind and rain but it takes a long time for the
:02:05. > :02:09.water to go down, the houses to dry and there is more rain forecast,
:02:10. > :02:13.following on saturated ground so, yes, it is the same people and same
:02:14. > :02:24.part of the country that had it, what, two, four years ago? These
:02:25. > :02:26.awesome pictures again, quite frightening. I was speaking to some
:02:27. > :02:29.people there, residents and shop owners and they said it was bad
:02:30. > :02:34.enough last time but it has risen so fast this time. Since 2000 nine, the
:02:35. > :02:41.last major time in this area -- 2009. But the floods have
:02:42. > :02:46.overwhelmed those defences, so for the residents, they thought they
:02:47. > :02:51.were safe, and now their homes have been destroyed again. Cumbria has
:02:52. > :02:57.put out a call for extra doctors. 32 people have been marooned in a pub.
:02:58. > :03:04.Worst places to be marooned! But not to sound too facetious, because it
:03:05. > :03:11.is serious. And still, a man came on like a modern Bear growls, rescuing
:03:12. > :03:15.people with his landowner, so extraordinary stories of heroism and
:03:16. > :03:19.very frightening incidents in this flawed and it makes you think, with
:03:20. > :03:26.the Paris conference coming on, is this another incident of global
:03:27. > :03:32.warming, and the way that we deal with the world, because this will
:03:33. > :03:39.change this town for ever -- a modern-day Bear Grylls. These
:03:40. > :03:44.pictures here. Look at the size of that wave, it looks like it is
:03:45. > :03:49.somewhere out at sea, rather than... This is Wales, of course. We
:03:50. > :03:54.have been focusing on Cumbria but it has come down the Welsh course as
:03:55. > :04:00.well. Pretty terrible in Ireland, too. Yes, and it was the severity.
:04:01. > :04:04.This was a very severe storm, and certainly the amount of rain that
:04:05. > :04:09.has fallen in such a short out of time. One report said they had had
:04:10. > :04:15.in months's of rain in 24 hours, so this is the extreme conditions you
:04:16. > :04:20.were speaking about, James. And we are in December, we have not even
:04:21. > :04:23.got to spring, and spring tides, thinking of previous years. The
:04:24. > :04:28.other aspect is which way the wind is blowing. It is coming from the
:04:29. > :04:32.far south-west, and double figures there in terms of temperatures, so
:04:33. > :04:39.we certainly have a climate change taking place. I think human spirit
:04:40. > :04:44.is coming through as well? I love the story about this chap, calling
:04:45. > :04:49.himself the modern-day Bear Grylls, rescuing many people from a flooded
:04:50. > :04:53.car park in Carlisle. But you're right about the figures, eight
:04:54. > :04:56.inches in the Cumbria and the monthly average is normally 3.4 so
:04:57. > :05:02.it is no wonder the defences where overtopped with that incredible rush
:05:03. > :05:07.of water coming so quickly, it is bound to overwhelm them. You cannot
:05:08. > :05:12.do anything about it. It looks like we will be breaking the records on
:05:13. > :05:15.this one. We did that three or four years before and it is quite
:05:16. > :05:22.worrying because we do not know where we are going. No more records.
:05:23. > :05:26.Now The Telegraph, this horrible incident at Leytonstone Tube with a
:05:27. > :05:30.man attacking passengers on the platform? Not too far away from
:05:31. > :05:35.where I live and like 6 million people go on the Tube everyday and
:05:36. > :05:40.this is what terrorism is about, it terrorises you. Old people walking
:05:41. > :05:44.past, people going to Christmas parties, people with children, 7pm
:05:45. > :05:49.in the evening on Saturday before Christmas and this man allegedly
:05:50. > :05:53.shouting, this is for Syria, running round slashing at slashing at people
:05:54. > :05:56.at random with a machete, apparently. Very terrifying and the
:05:57. > :06:02.good news is he was extremely quickly silenced by a Taser and he
:06:03. > :06:07.was unable to inflict any more damage. It could have been much
:06:08. > :06:12.worse. And the police who attended where Borough police who were not
:06:13. > :06:17.armed and only had the Taser, so just showing you... The bravery is
:06:18. > :06:22.extraordinary. They did a very good job. Many extraordinary things about
:06:23. > :06:26.this as well. It was filmed, by a passenger, passer-by or whatever. I
:06:27. > :06:30.am amazed someone would stand there filming it but in some respects at
:06:31. > :06:34.least it gives a picture, because you know her so often after the
:06:35. > :06:42.event, the police did this, the police did that, at least we have a
:06:43. > :06:49.record taken at the time. The second thing is the phrase that some man,
:06:50. > :07:01.shouted at the individual doing the shouted at the individual doing the
:07:02. > :07:05.attacks, you ain't no Muslim, Bruv. And I think that tells us exactly
:07:06. > :07:08.what is to be done, and that is that the Muslim community have to show
:07:09. > :07:12.those in their community taking these extreme actions that this is
:07:13. > :07:16.not what their religion, their faith, is all about. Let's look at
:07:17. > :07:21.the Mail because it is also the headline there come on the front
:07:22. > :07:25.page, and some pictures there. And you are right. It is extraordinary
:07:26. > :07:30.when these happen and we see these pictures being taken. It was on
:07:31. > :07:33.Twitter within minutes, and some of it was very shocking so I would not
:07:34. > :07:37.recommend people look at it with all the blood and things but the police
:07:38. > :07:41.have also been asking people to send in their footage, so probably there
:07:42. > :07:46.were more people filming it who have not made their footage public, so it
:07:47. > :07:50.is extraordinary, you are right, Angela. It is usually all down to
:07:51. > :07:58.what happened, various incidents, and I think Rodney King was the game
:07:59. > :08:00.changer, filmed by someone from an upstairs window 20 odd years ago and
:08:01. > :08:04.that is when people fought, actually, you know, you cannot get
:08:05. > :08:09.away with things. People will be phoning things -- people thought.
:08:10. > :08:14.With all the brutality in America, and if this man, you know,
:08:15. > :08:18.apparently from this footage, the court him in the act. We even have
:08:19. > :08:27.the picture of the person taking the pictures. A telling story for today.
:08:28. > :08:33.Let's turn to politics. The Independent. Furious, hitting back
:08:34. > :08:37.at Corbyn's smears. Angela? Absolutely. This is quite
:08:38. > :08:40.extraordinary. Isn't it extraordinary all this retribution
:08:41. > :08:45.and infighting is taking place. It does show many of the MPs and others
:08:46. > :08:51.did not accept his leadership in the first instance but, even so, this is
:08:52. > :08:57.pretty strong stuff. Inside the paper it tells us that there is an
:08:58. > :09:01.intention for a 3 pronged purge, as it were. One of the whip's office
:09:02. > :09:07.because they see that as being instrumental in not having been
:09:08. > :09:12.prepared to whip for that vote we had earlier this week on bombing
:09:13. > :09:18.Syria. And the very fact that the Labour whip's office pressed for a
:09:19. > :09:22.free vote. They are also speaking about the organisation, and this is
:09:23. > :09:27.actually pretty interesting stuff, because of course we are heading for
:09:28. > :09:31.that boundary review of constituencies where a number of
:09:32. > :09:37.constituencies, something like 60, I think, will go. Who has the small
:09:38. > :09:42.constituencies ends a predominately the cities is actually Labour so
:09:43. > :09:49.there is a real Lord Bath in there. The third part is about this action
:09:50. > :09:52.plan -- a real bloodbath. The reshuffling of the Shadow Cabinet
:09:53. > :09:58.and I suspect that will come first, frankly. James, what you think tells
:09:59. > :10:03.us? Without sounding too pretentious I think it is disastrous for
:10:04. > :10:09.democracy. What is swirling around inside the Labour Party, the various
:10:10. > :10:13.wings of the party. Rumours are circulating, furiously denied, that
:10:14. > :10:20.Corbyn was unwell, that he passed out stress in his office last month.
:10:21. > :10:25.That is absolutely denied by Corbyn's office but it describes the
:10:26. > :10:31.vitriol swirling around. I speak not as a Conservative supporter but I
:10:32. > :10:34.think it is extremely fortuitous -- fortunate for David Cameron he is
:10:35. > :10:38.confronted with an opposition fighting itself and not the Tories.
:10:39. > :10:44.That is bad for democracy because the opposition should be fighting
:10:45. > :10:47.the Government, not itself. Looking at the Observer, the Corbyn critics
:10:48. > :10:53.fearing what you mentioned, there eventually shuffle. Slightly more
:10:54. > :10:57.damage, then? I think it is inevitable. Some would say Jeremy
:10:58. > :11:03.Corbyn has actually had quite a good week because they had that free vote
:11:04. > :11:07.and then also at the Oldham West while action, that was won. I am not
:11:08. > :11:12.sure I exactly take that view, I have to say, but I would pick up
:11:13. > :11:16.what James said. Every political party will always have its
:11:17. > :11:19.reshuffles, it's different views on issues and it will have a bit of
:11:20. > :11:32.factional eyes Asian. This is extraordinary, though. This is
:11:33. > :11:37.faction fighting -- factional eyes. What you require for a good
:11:38. > :11:41.democracy is proper decent challenge otherwise legislation goes through
:11:42. > :11:45.where the principle may be fine but there are checks and balances in
:11:46. > :11:49.this world and we rely on them coming out through our democratic
:11:50. > :11:52.process. Let's move to the other end of the story, and the bombing raids
:11:53. > :11:57.as a result, hitting the oil fields. James, what do you make of the
:11:58. > :12:02.result of the vote and then leading into the raids taking place, almost,
:12:03. > :12:08.people fought, within minutes? Angela used to be a very highly
:12:09. > :12:11.regarded MP and it was an extremely difficult position for all those
:12:12. > :12:15.memos of Parliament, we spoke about this earlier. The most difficult
:12:16. > :12:19.decision in your political career, to send British people to go and
:12:20. > :12:23.fight and potentially lose their lives for their country so I do not
:12:24. > :12:29.envy those making the decision and nor do I told condone the attacks
:12:30. > :12:33.made on mainly Labour MPs, female Labour MPs, actually. However I
:12:34. > :12:38.think, and I had a big argued with my daughter yesterday about this, I
:12:39. > :12:42.think it is right to go into Syria. IS does not see any distinction. It
:12:43. > :12:45.views its territory as a caliphate to go into Syria. IS does not see
:12:46. > :12:51.any distinction. It views its territory as a caliphate saw in
:12:52. > :12:57.their eyes thought very powerful. If we had been bombed, as Paris was, or
:12:58. > :13:00.attacked, as Paris was, and we had asked for their help and they had
:13:01. > :13:04.said no, that would have been terrible. I think standing shoulder
:13:05. > :13:07.to shoulder with France is the right thing to do however it is very grave
:13:08. > :13:11.and I think it is right Parliament took it so seriously. It was the
:13:12. > :13:17.right thing to do. Two other points to add. The first is that this is
:13:18. > :13:22.about going for the oilfields as well. If you take out the oil, you
:13:23. > :13:28.take out a source of finance. Only one source. Yes, only one source.
:13:29. > :13:31.The other thing to look at in this argument is Libya. We are not
:13:32. > :13:39.dealing with an organisation that is just in one place, in Isis or Daesh
:13:40. > :13:42.or whatever we should call it. It has different parts, different
:13:43. > :13:46.communities and groups associated with it and it can reform and
:13:47. > :13:50.regroup and of course Libya is another place which is not under
:13:51. > :13:55.control and where we can see what we may deal with in Syria reforming in
:13:56. > :13:58.a different way. It is particularly scary because there is this
:13:59. > :14:03.suggestion that possibly two or more of the French terrorists came
:14:04. > :14:07.through Libya, and snuck in the back door, if you like, through Greece,
:14:08. > :14:13.and that is very worrying. If they are seeing a way in to attack Europe
:14:14. > :14:19.that is incredibly scary, terrorism in its true form, terrorising us. It
:14:20. > :14:24.says Tunisia has closed its border to Libya and then the US is warning
:14:25. > :14:46.that the town, and I may pronounce this wrong, Ajdabiya, is under
:14:47. > :14:53.threat... Let's end on a lighter note. Greenhouse gases will fall.
:14:54. > :15:00.Not a lot lighter. There has not been the greatest of continuation of
:15:01. > :15:06.economic recovery. OK in the UK but not in other countries. This article
:15:07. > :15:10.speaks about, this time, greenhouse gases not rising at the same time as
:15:11. > :15:16.economic activity, so that is a critical point. I think it also
:15:17. > :15:19.brings to the fore part of the whole greenhouse gases debate and how we
:15:20. > :15:23.deal with them that we have not properly focused on. Most people, I
:15:24. > :15:26.am sure, do sit very much in the camp saying we do need to do
:15:27. > :15:30.something about our carbon footprint, our emissions and all
:15:31. > :15:35.that stuff. Let's keep our countries, our world, as clean as
:15:36. > :15:40.possible. Secondly, people do not then talk enough, in my view, about
:15:41. > :15:45.all the practicalities and costs of dealing with it. Because we all can
:15:46. > :15:48.have a really good policy, and idea, and emotional belief in something,
:15:49. > :15:51.but unless we have the practicalities we will never get to
:15:52. > :15:55.the right solution and hopefully that is where they are going now.
:15:56. > :16:03.Absolutely, I agree with that. It is also tied in with this fall of coal
:16:04. > :16:07.consumption in China. China produces 30% of these harmful emissions and
:16:08. > :16:11.as their economy is relatively faltering that is the issue. But if
:16:12. > :16:14.we do not press on with other renewable sources of energy we will
:16:15. > :16:19.never solve this problem. I think most people saw the pictures from
:16:20. > :16:24.China over the past week or two with the smog. The error is just
:16:25. > :16:29.terrible. If you have been there, people wearing the masks. That's
:16:30. > :16:33.right and that is why China has no bot into this because their own
:16:34. > :16:36.population is suffering but you cannot put in a renewable without a
:16:37. > :16:41.back-up, usually, because a renewable by its very nature can be
:16:42. > :16:46.infinite soul it is about getting to the practicalities of the
:16:47. > :16:50.engineering issues. That fantastic idea of putting a wind power turbine
:16:51. > :16:56.in the air, in a sort of giant zeppelin thing, but if they could,
:16:57. > :17:01.you know, find that to make it work, to catch the very strong wind at a
:17:02. > :17:09.higher level, a fantastic idea. You have to transmit the power, of
:17:10. > :17:14.course. And then... My chemistry or level is not standing up, perhaps.
:17:15. > :17:21.Physics! I'm sure it would be done through Wi-Fi are something like
:17:22. > :17:24.that. Physics, yes, you're right. I probably should not be in charge of
:17:25. > :17:30.that policy. I will let you go off-mac and work that one out but
:17:31. > :17:38.thank you both of you for coming in to join as on The Papers -- Go Off
:17:39. > :17:46.And Work That One Out. Time for a look at the weather with
:17:47. > :17:53.Phil Avery. A bit of jollity, we will soon put a
:17:54. > :17:54.stop to