:00:00. > :00:17.That is all the sport for now. Next on BBC News, The Papers.
:00:18. > :00:20.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:21. > :00:23.With me are Lisa Markwell the editor of the Independent of Sunday
:00:24. > :00:29.and David Wooding, Political Editor at the Sun on Sunday
:00:30. > :00:32.First, let's have a look at the front pages.
:00:33. > :00:34.The Observer reports that leading Conservative Eurosceptics have
:00:35. > :00:36.branded David Cameron's attempts to reform the Uk's relationship
:00:37. > :00:39.with the EU as a farce, and warned that the new National Living Wage
:00:40. > :00:43.will undermine efforts to cut immigration.
:00:44. > :00:45.The Mail on Sunday leads with the resignation of the chairman
:00:46. > :00:47.of the influential campaign group Conservative Way Forward -
:00:48. > :00:51.a victim, it says, of the bullying row sparked by the apparent suicide
:00:52. > :00:54.The Sunday Express carries the news of the death of Jimmy Hill
:00:55. > :00:57.on its front page, while also detailing the number
:00:58. > :01:00.of household guests the Queen is expecting for Christmas.
:01:01. > :01:03.The Independent on Sunday says as many as 50,000 children in the UK
:01:04. > :01:06.are being home-schooled and warns that many may be at risk
:01:07. > :01:12.Women will be allowed to take part in front line combat within months,
:01:13. > :01:14.according to what the Sunday Telegraph says are radical plans
:01:15. > :01:31.Let's begin with the Sunday Times. Very big story. Let police shoot to
:01:32. > :01:37.kill, says David Cameron. Officers to be protected from prosecution.
:01:38. > :01:42.What do you do for a police officer who is expected to protect our skin
:01:43. > :01:45.makes a split-second decision and gets it wrong? An extra ?34 million
:01:46. > :01:51.The Home Office has given for armed officers. Because everybody wants to
:01:52. > :01:56.see policing stepped up. Everybody wants to feel safe. That is really
:01:57. > :02:01.going with, you know, nobody is going to push back against that. I
:02:02. > :02:03.should think the Commissioner is absolutely delighted, because it is
:02:04. > :02:11.running in tandem with this very difficult situation about the
:02:12. > :02:17.shooting of Jermaine Baker. In Tottenham. It caused ill feeling.
:02:18. > :02:20.Yes, as Cameron is trying to tread a line which makes the country feel
:02:21. > :02:26.safer, sort of pacifies the police in dealing with... Having all these
:02:27. > :02:29.extra demands on them, and at the same time going through this long,
:02:30. > :02:34.drawn-out investigation. The one part of this everyone can get behind
:02:35. > :02:39.is one of his key points about this review he has asked for, that there
:02:40. > :02:42.will be no more investigations in the police actions that have passed
:02:43. > :02:47.for months and months and years, because it is frustrating for
:02:48. > :02:51.everybody. If it speeds up, if we have got something wrong or right,
:02:52. > :02:55.have a final meeting, and move forward, that can only be a good
:02:56. > :03:00.thing. That is true. That is part of the reason for the problem. There
:03:01. > :03:04.was a meeting early in the week in which senior police officers said to
:03:05. > :03:09.David Cameron and senior ministers that they could not get people who
:03:10. > :03:14.wanted to be firearms officers, because it was no longer attracted,
:03:15. > :03:19.because they feared that all would happen is that they would be blamed
:03:20. > :03:24.for making the split-second decisions. Or they would be in front
:03:25. > :03:28.of months and months of enquiries if they actually pulled the trigger at
:03:29. > :03:32.any stage. In the present climate of terrorist alerts this is difficult
:03:33. > :03:37.for them. There was also a political element to this in the David Cameron
:03:38. > :03:40.will be slightly outflanking Jeremy Corbyn, who ran into some difficulty
:03:41. > :03:44.in a few weeks ago when he said he was not happy with a shoot to kill
:03:45. > :03:48.policy in the wake of the Paris shootings, which saw 130 people
:03:49. > :03:52.dead. I think a lot of the general public frowned upon this. David
:03:53. > :03:57.Cameron is basically saying, I want to throw my weight behind the police
:03:58. > :04:01.to protect the public. And I am the person who puts national security
:04:02. > :04:06.first. You are right. The Jermaine Baker case shows the difficulty of
:04:07. > :04:13.it. Nobody wants the wrong person shot. Certainly nobody was anybody
:04:14. > :04:17.to be targeted because of maybe race. Nobody wants that. Nobody
:04:18. > :04:21.wants a police officer faced with a suicide bomber, or somebody with a
:04:22. > :04:25.Kalashnikov, not to get it right. That is right. In the week before
:04:26. > :04:29.Christmas people are out and about, as they are, in the centre of
:04:30. > :04:32.London, if you go into an underground station it makes you
:04:33. > :04:38.feel safer to see a police officer. It turned out not to be terrorism,
:04:39. > :04:42.the chap in the underground station that was there a couple of weeks
:04:43. > :04:48.ago. You want to feel a presence. The key to all of this is proper
:04:49. > :04:50.training. And how much of that ?34 million will go towards people being
:04:51. > :04:54.able to make the right decision in a split-second. It is how to do it
:04:55. > :04:59.properly. That is always the case with the police. Are they being
:05:00. > :05:07.trained correctly. Some of the judges have expressed alarm. Brian
:05:08. > :05:07.Levenson, we remember from the press enquiries...
:05:08. > :05:15.CHUCKLES You remember him? Seems like a long
:05:16. > :05:20.time ago. Even he said there is a feeling that perhaps people are
:05:21. > :05:22.having the benefit of hindsight a lot when these police officers,
:05:23. > :05:28.working under extreme stress in crowded areas, try to protect the
:05:29. > :05:31.public have to make these decisions. It is very difficult. Court room, TV
:05:32. > :05:43.studio, thinking about it. Let's move on. Labour could split into two
:05:44. > :05:48.macro parties to survive says a key adviser, Peter Hyman. He says
:05:49. > :05:51.fundamentally there is a split between those that you could call
:05:52. > :05:55.socialist and those you could call social Democrats. But he does not
:05:56. > :06:00.label them thus. We will be watching the Labour Party for the last 99
:06:01. > :06:05.days. Tomorrow is the 100th day since Jeremy Corbyn became leader.
:06:06. > :06:12.Peter Hyman, Tony Blair's former speech writer and former chief
:06:13. > :06:14.strategist is saying there is a very small element of the parliamentary
:06:15. > :06:20.Labour Party which is to the left and a sizeable chunk of the
:06:21. > :06:25.membership who are now to the left. And the only way the Labour Party is
:06:26. > :06:31.going to get power is obvious, in many ways, go for the centre ground.
:06:32. > :06:36.In fact, I would say, if you look back at five of the last six Labour
:06:37. > :06:41.leaders, if you discount John Smith who tragically died before he stood
:06:42. > :06:47.for election, all lost general elections. Only Tony Blair won. Why?
:06:48. > :06:51.Because he was occupying the centre ground. Ed Miliband couldn't do it.
:06:52. > :06:54.James Callaghan, Gordon Brown, Michael foot, they certainly
:06:55. > :06:59.couldn't do it. And there is a feeling Jeremy Corbyn cannot do it.
:07:00. > :07:04.Do they split or we gain the party? -- Michael Foot. Peter Hyman would
:07:05. > :07:07.say this. There is nothing terribly surprising in this headline, or
:07:08. > :07:14.indeed in what he says. But there is a poll in the Observer saying 50% of
:07:15. > :07:17.Labour supporters believe Jeremy Corbyn is a principled person. It is
:07:18. > :07:23.not just Labour supporters, it is all of the voters. 50% of them
:07:24. > :07:27.believe he is a principled person. You know, we come back to the same
:07:28. > :07:32.thing, it is the difference between the MPs and the sort of party, you
:07:33. > :07:37.know, who have been loyal to Tony Blair, and the electorate. The ?3
:07:38. > :07:43.members. All of that. How they feel about Jeremy Corbyn. They won't be
:07:44. > :07:46.popping champagne, but, whatever the socialist equivalent of champagne
:07:47. > :07:50.is. Because Jeremy Corbyn is in it for the long run. He was interviewed
:07:51. > :07:53.on the Sunday Times and he said he is going to be there for the long
:07:54. > :07:57.run. The other story we haven't touched on, the splits in the
:07:58. > :08:03.Conservative Party over Europe. Liam Fox, former member, is saying this
:08:04. > :08:09.basically is not going anywhere. This is bubbling away very heavily
:08:10. > :08:13.under the surface. We are probably writing -- we probably would be
:08:14. > :08:18.writing a lot more about it if Jeremy Corbyn wasn't the great gift
:08:19. > :08:22.that keeps giving to the media. In the Independent on Sunday, David
:08:23. > :08:28.Blunkett is saying there will be a takeover. Within the Labour Party.
:08:29. > :08:36.It is in century. Everybody is weighing in. -- it is incendiary.
:08:37. > :08:41.They say it is a Labour grassroots movement which happens to be very
:08:42. > :08:48.supportive... We are having a story that Momentum will join the Labour
:08:49. > :08:52.Party and influence it within. It would be a change to the actual
:08:53. > :08:56.structure. This goes back to Jeremy Corbyn's idea that he will return
:08:57. > :08:58.the power of policy-making to conference, which always used to
:08:59. > :09:03.happen in the days before John Smith. To go back to your original
:09:04. > :09:11.point, isn't this the thing that bores voters rigid? Resolution, that
:09:12. > :09:16.and this, most people are thinking about, can I put food on the table,
:09:17. > :09:19.will my children be able to go to university, which school are they
:09:20. > :09:22.going to get into? That is one of the problems Jeremy Corbyn is having
:09:23. > :09:29.to cut through. We are all hearing about the mandate of the Labour
:09:30. > :09:34.membership. A lot of campaigners are protesting about it. Yes, the won,
:09:35. > :09:37.but many voters are saying that he does not talk about the things we
:09:38. > :09:49.are interested in, he is a London centric politician and he does not
:09:50. > :09:53.appeal to us on our issues. -- P -- he won. The Department for Education
:09:54. > :09:57.has no reliable figures and the worry is that some students will be
:09:58. > :10:04.radicalised. What did you think was interesting about this? I have any
:10:05. > :10:09.political editor. He is diligently working away on things which are not
:10:10. > :10:13.the obvious. Watching him closely. CHUCKLES
:10:14. > :10:19.All of the Tory bullion, Labour splits, you know, what else is going
:10:20. > :10:26.on? At the end of term, if you like, quite a lot of interesting stuff is
:10:27. > :10:28.around. -- bullying. This is the Department for Education at
:10:29. > :10:30.admitting that they don't have any figures about how many children ask
:10:31. > :10:37.scored outside traditional classrooms. They say it is anything
:10:38. > :10:42.from 20 to 50,000. That is a huge number. The Department for
:10:43. > :10:47.Education... Our journalism is not suggesting that all of those are
:10:48. > :10:50.being radicalised somewhere in the country, nevertheless,
:10:51. > :10:57.home-schooling is not vigorously monitored. It all. In fact, Ed balls
:10:58. > :11:01.suggested a review saying there should be more close inspection of
:11:02. > :11:05.it. -- Ed Balls. But always knocked it down before the election. Now we
:11:06. > :11:09.are saying, what is going on, we must have a review. Some home
:11:10. > :11:13.educated children it works brilliantly for all sorts of reasons
:11:14. > :11:18.they are not in mainstream schools, which I understand. That is
:11:19. > :11:24.terrific. But they should be inspected and it should be
:11:25. > :11:27.registered properly. But there is a percentage of parents who are
:11:28. > :11:30.teaching their children and ideology which isn't being balanced out by
:11:31. > :11:37.anything else they would get in a classroom. It is the worry. -- an
:11:38. > :11:43.ideology. We want to stop it before it starts, that is something many to
:11:44. > :11:49.look at, so that is the story. It is a microcosm of bigger picture of all
:11:50. > :11:52.of these schools where there is a fear of radicalisation. We have
:11:53. > :11:57.overlooked the fact that some are being taught by their own parents.
:11:58. > :12:02.Again, are these the families you hear about anecdotally where the
:12:03. > :12:08.husband keeps the white indoors, she is not allowed to go out, she is not
:12:09. > :12:12.allowed to mix, doesn't even know how to speak English. If that is the
:12:13. > :12:18.sort of thing that is going on, we need to break into that. -- the wife
:12:19. > :12:21.in borstals typically make a choice when your child is young never to
:12:22. > :12:31.enter them into the school system, that is why there is no figures. --
:12:32. > :12:37.EQ make a choice when your child is young. These children are not on our
:12:38. > :12:45.radar. We have to understand the figures and do something about it.
:12:46. > :12:47.Firstly, people are worried about radicalisation, but on the other
:12:48. > :12:50.hand parents have the right to do what they think is the best for
:12:51. > :12:52.their children. We don't like the idea of government coming into our
:12:53. > :13:02.homes, telling us to do anything. That is Jokic isn't it? Yes. One of
:13:03. > :13:11.my colleagues educated his children through primary school years. --
:13:12. > :13:13.that is tricky, isn't it cost up some children find school very
:13:14. > :13:23.stressful setting. -- isn't it? It is the understanding and
:13:24. > :13:27.supporting of parents who want to do it. And at the same time sort of
:13:28. > :13:36.keeping an eye on it. That is what is key to this. My colleague was
:13:37. > :13:39.expected once in four years. Really? A home inspection from Ofsted. Yes,
:13:40. > :13:43.you would have to tidy up the kitchen!
:13:44. > :13:47.CHUCKLES If the numbers were this high it
:13:48. > :13:52.would be great to have a support network to make it work properly.
:13:53. > :13:56.That might be a way of stamping out the problems, as well as supporting
:13:57. > :14:01.those who want to do it. I think we will hear more about this. The Mail
:14:02. > :14:10.on Sunday has made quite a lot of this story, bullying scandal,
:14:11. > :14:22.another top Tory resigns. This is all over the Tatler Tory. This might
:14:23. > :14:28.have had more focus at the paper is not spent so much time and Jeremy
:14:29. > :14:32.Corbyn. I must admit, some of us privately scoffed at this story when
:14:33. > :14:39.it started. It involved the sad death of a young man. Having been
:14:40. > :14:45.bullied by somebody of whom we'd never heard before. The characters
:14:46. > :14:50.involved are not big names. Credit to them, they have kept banging away
:14:51. > :14:54.at this story. They have had to resignations. One minister who was
:14:55. > :15:00.apparently blackmailed, who resigned over an affair. Grant Schatz
:15:01. > :15:03.standing down as a minister because he allegedly received e-mails from
:15:04. > :15:08.this man, Mark Clark, the man at the centre of the bullying allegations.
:15:09. > :15:15.Now we have another unnamed, unknown man. Named but not known. Exactly.
:15:16. > :15:22.He was in this group set up by Margaret Thatcher. Big admirer of
:15:23. > :15:28.Margaret Thatcher. He spent ?200,000 on items from her wardrobe. Her
:15:29. > :15:33.clothes sale the other day. Yeah, and he is now involved in various
:15:34. > :15:39.different ways. What is interesting about him is that he is allegedly
:15:40. > :15:44.best friends with Greg hands, who is George Osborne's fixer. Then you
:15:45. > :15:48.have Feldman as a close personal friend of David Cameron. That is
:15:49. > :15:54.when it gets more interesting. You start to see the links. You see the
:15:55. > :16:02.6 degrees of separation which becomes four degrees and then two
:16:03. > :16:07.degrees. It is the scalp everybody wants, this person is central to
:16:08. > :16:12.what is going on in the Tory party. Not many who nobody knows about. As
:16:13. > :16:25.it turns out moving towards America anyway. -- not Blaney. The
:16:26. > :16:32.Conservative Party celebrates this by lying handbags, yet the Labour
:16:33. > :16:38.Party dislikes their former leaders. Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair won
:16:39. > :16:44.three elections. Margaret Thatcher is put upon a pedestal by her party.
:16:45. > :16:47.She did some bad things. She destroyed mining communities, some
:16:48. > :16:52.would say, but she did some good things. Tony Blair did some good
:16:53. > :16:55.things. Sure start centres can education reforms, quite a lot of
:16:56. > :16:59.good stuff. The minimum wage. But also, the only thing the Labour
:17:00. > :17:06.people think of him for is Iraq and they revile him. It is one of the
:17:07. > :17:10.biggest mistakes Ed Miliband made when he attacked his own party's
:17:11. > :17:14.record when he should have been talking about the good things. In my
:17:15. > :17:21.personal view. That the Telegraph has drivers face tougher fines to
:17:22. > :17:25.stop mobile phone use. Do you see people on their mobile phones when
:17:26. > :17:29.driving? I saw somebody the other day with a mobile phone and a
:17:30. > :17:34.cigarette while driving. A juggling act. Yet deeply illegal and
:17:35. > :17:41.dangerous. Highly dangerous. I am astonished. The amount has gone from
:17:42. > :17:49.?100 up to ?150. It is kicking us. It should be ?1000. It is putting so
:17:50. > :17:53.many lives at risk. -- it is ridiculous. It is irresponsible. You
:17:54. > :17:59.see it all the time. By putting up the amount by such a small amount is
:18:00. > :18:04.stupid. You will get an extra point. For lorry drivers it is potentially
:18:05. > :18:09.going to double the amount of points they get, from three to six. And
:18:10. > :18:12.they are probably the highest offenders. If you get to that level,
:18:13. > :18:16.if it jeopardises your income because you are not allowed to
:18:17. > :18:21.drive, then maybe you are talking about something. I don't think this
:18:22. > :18:26.penalises enough. There have been many prosecutions for people using
:18:27. > :18:28.their mobile phones. While at the wheel. Lorry drivers, apart from
:18:29. > :18:34.anything else come on a practical note in the newsroom last night, it
:18:35. > :18:38.is quite difficult to see lorry drivers using them. It has got to
:18:39. > :18:44.become unacceptable like drink-driving, not wearing a seat
:18:45. > :18:51.belt. Things have changed. Probably in the reckless state it is --
:18:52. > :18:54.probably in the reckless stakes it is close to drink-driving. If you
:18:55. > :18:59.see somebody driving badly, invariably you will see them using
:19:00. > :19:02.their phone. People texting behind the wheel. I was driving the other
:19:03. > :19:07.day through London, there was a car in front of me, it was moving around
:19:08. > :19:10.badly, and then it mounted the pavement and then came back on the
:19:11. > :19:16.road again. When I overtook it to get past it I noticed the driver was
:19:17. > :19:20.still on the phone texting. Staggering. There is a good radio
:19:21. > :19:25.campaign at the moment talking about it takes one second, it was one
:19:26. > :19:30.text, it was one reply, it was one glance. Radio is effective because
:19:31. > :19:33.it makes you stop and think. We all think we are special and different.
:19:34. > :19:36.I'm just going to glance very quickly to make sure somebody has
:19:37. > :19:43.picked up my daughter from school, what ever it might be, that is all
:19:44. > :19:46.it takes. It must be hammered home. We have a couple of minutes left.
:19:47. > :19:52.Jimmy Hill, the passing of Jimmy Hill. I don't know about either of
:19:53. > :19:57.you but he was a great figure for me to watch over the years. He crossed
:19:58. > :20:01.generations and all aspects of the sport. He was a player, he was a
:20:02. > :20:09.manager, he was a linesman at one game. He turned up when a linesman
:20:10. > :20:16.took ill in Liverpool Arsenal match. You remember that one! He broke the
:20:17. > :20:20.maximum wage. He was paid ?20 himself, led the first ?100 per week
:20:21. > :20:26.player which was Jonny Hayes at Fulham. Boss of Coventry City. He
:20:27. > :20:30.brought in the first all-seater stadium and the first electric
:20:31. > :20:46.scoreboard. What else? Match of the Day man. Were you a fan? Yeah! The
:20:47. > :20:56.headline in the sun newspaper, rest chin peace. One of the most famous
:20:57. > :21:01.beards in television. When the news broke of winter our online operation
:21:02. > :21:06.and said, just so you know, Jimmy Hill has died, we are getting an
:21:07. > :21:09.appreciation together. The website is operated by much younger people
:21:10. > :21:14.and they all knew exactly who it was. They were all interested. It
:21:15. > :21:22.goes across all generations. He wasn't without his, shall we say,
:21:23. > :21:24.unreconstructed views from time to time, but...
:21:25. > :21:30.CHUCKLES He was of his generation. Yes. But
:21:31. > :21:34.what he did for the players, that was a benchmark moment. What ever
:21:35. > :21:38.you think about how much they get paid now, the fact that football
:21:39. > :21:39.players at the time by not valued, it was important the did something.
:21:40. > :21:41.Thank you very much. Just a reminder we take a look
:21:42. > :21:45.at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 1030 and 1130
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