10/01/2016

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:00:16. > :00:18.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

:00:19. > :00:20.With me are Jo Phillips, the political commentator.

:00:21. > :00:22.And Nigel Nelson, political editor of the Sunday People.

:00:23. > :00:29.The Independent on Sunday leads with claims that Jeremy Corbyn

:00:30. > :00:36.is planning to fast-track changes to party policy on Trident.

:00:37. > :00:38.School discipline is the lead in the Observer, which claims

:00:39. > :00:41.the Prime Minister is to suggest that parents should have a say

:00:42. > :00:43.in how their children are disciplined.

:00:44. > :00:46.The front of the Sunday Times also carries a photo of the suspect

:00:47. > :00:49.Arthur Simpson-Kent, but its main story is about the junior doctors

:00:50. > :00:57.The doctors' strike is also the lead in the Telegraph,

:00:58. > :00:59.with the Health Secretary claiming the walk-out could hit A units.

:01:00. > :01:02.And finally the Sun splashes with allegations about the private

:01:03. > :01:05.life of the singer Cheryl Fernandez-Versini.

:01:06. > :01:12.Let's begin. The Sunday Telegraph. Doctors told strike will harm

:01:13. > :01:26.patients. The Health Secretary makes a last-minute appeal. That it could

:01:27. > :01:32.force wards to close. It is stating the obvious. The doctors' strike

:01:33. > :01:35.going ahead on Tuesday and several thousand operations have been

:01:36. > :01:38.cancelled already and at this time of year the NHS is under pressure

:01:39. > :01:42.and I suppose you would not expect Jeremy Hunt would not do anything

:01:43. > :01:49.else other than put out a last-ditch appeal saying, please do not go on

:01:50. > :01:53.strike. Within the last week, suggestions the Chief Medical

:01:54. > :01:58.Officer was involved in a letter that went past the Department of

:01:59. > :02:02.Health and Jeremy Hunt, which I do not find surprising, because you

:02:03. > :02:08.would expect it to be cleared by the Department. You have the BMA and

:02:09. > :02:13.government on a collision course. One problem, if you look at the last

:02:14. > :02:18.30 years, what sort of people we trust, we trust doctors. Jeremy Hunt

:02:19. > :02:22.knows this and he knows we do not trust journalists in general and we

:02:23. > :02:27.don't trust politicians, that is part of the problem. He has a

:02:28. > :02:30.presentational problem because we love doctors. He has a practical

:02:31. > :02:37.problem in the way he went about doing it. I am behind him about the

:02:38. > :02:42.idea of a seven-day NHS. Saturday and Sunday should be no different

:02:43. > :02:47.from other days. The NHS should not be run for the convenience of

:02:48. > :02:51.doctors, but patients, that is fine, but it needs funding. You do not

:02:52. > :02:55.make changes and say to the doctor, we will give you a pay rise, but you

:02:56. > :03:03.will actually lose money. Because they can add up! It has to go back

:03:04. > :03:09.to the whole of the health service. This strike is about hospital

:03:10. > :03:14.doctors, junior doctors. I agree, people trust doctors. I am not sure

:03:15. > :03:20.the public supports them going on strike. Unless you get GP surgeries

:03:21. > :03:27.also doing seven days a week, and this idea of the Labour Party, the

:03:28. > :03:33.Labour government brought in when doctors could opt out and bring in a

:03:34. > :03:39.locum, doctors have had it easy, particularly at GP practices. And

:03:40. > :03:43.they are paid well. 100,000 plus for GPs. We expect the police and fire

:03:44. > :03:48.brigade and Ambulance Service to do a seven-day week. We will move on

:03:49. > :03:54.because the Sunday Times has a different aspect. The Labour hard

:03:55. > :04:03.left to pick out hospitals. This is as they put it, Jeremy Corbyn's hard

:04:04. > :04:07.left supporters, talking about can -- Momentum, and the relationship of

:04:08. > :04:11.the Labour Party. Momentum is telling members to go along and

:04:12. > :04:18.support the striking doctors and go to picket lines. This would not be

:04:19. > :04:22.secondary picketing, because that is illegal, but to go along to take a

:04:23. > :04:26.cup of tea, to support them. This will not be helpful to Jeremy Corbyn

:04:27. > :04:31.and the Labour Party because it looks like this is the hard left and

:04:32. > :04:35.setting up the battle between doctors and government. What is

:04:36. > :04:40.interesting is Sally Davies, who has been busy this week telling us not

:04:41. > :04:50.to exceed 14 units! Especially on Tuesday! She is warning industrial

:04:51. > :04:54.action will endanger patient safety. Saying very sympathetic to the

:04:55. > :05:01.doctors, but please think again. There are two aspects, but again, to

:05:02. > :05:04.say that left-wing political activists will not support a strike

:05:05. > :05:11.against the government, of course they are. Why wouldn't they? It is a

:05:12. > :05:17.free country. If they support Jeremy Corbyn, Joe is right, do not turn

:05:18. > :05:22.up. They will get sympathy because they are doctors. The moment you get

:05:23. > :05:27.Momentum involved in shouting on picket lines, it becomes political.

:05:28. > :05:32.Keep the issue about pay and conditions, don't get into the

:05:33. > :05:39.politics. If Momentum turn up... You mean the first time somebody outside

:05:40. > :05:44.the hospital is CHANTING: Is out, they do support? I think it would be

:05:45. > :05:49.a mistake to do that. The issue is over their conditions. It could be

:05:50. > :05:54.any government they were having a go at, it is not party politics.

:05:55. > :05:59.Momentum turns up and it will not do Jeremy Corbyn any good. I spoke to a

:06:00. > :06:04.Jeremy Corbyn supporter who said every time the Presto stories like

:06:05. > :06:08.this about Jeremy Corbyn, among young people, who are disaffected

:06:09. > :06:13.about politics, he said they increased support for Jeremy Corbyn.

:06:14. > :06:18.Just getting people supporting you because you say something like,

:06:19. > :06:24.bring it on, it does not make you fit to lead the country or a

:06:25. > :06:30.political party. Instead of focusing on the issues where Labour would do

:06:31. > :06:34.a better job, as they should as the opposition, we have seen them focus

:06:35. > :06:42.on an appalling reshuffle. What did you call it? The night of the long

:06:43. > :06:46.forks! You are right, this thing about the picket line, if you look

:06:47. > :06:51.at the Labour conference last autumn, when journalists were being

:06:52. > :06:57.spat at and abused and people going into conference, the Tory

:06:58. > :07:03.conference. Will you turn up for your outpatients appointment and get

:07:04. > :07:07.shouted at? An interesting question. The Independent newspaper, fast

:07:08. > :07:14.track to ditching trident, basically manoeuvring to get an end to

:07:15. > :07:17.Trident, replacing Trident as Labour Party policy. A fast track to

:07:18. > :07:23.ditching Trident would involve getting elected! At the moment, when

:07:24. > :07:28.the vote comes up and there will be a vote on Trident replacement in the

:07:29. > :07:32.next few months and the chances are that Trident will be replaced

:07:33. > :07:37.because it will just carry through. This is a bit irrelevant, however,

:07:38. > :07:43.one thing Jeremy Corbyn needed to do from the Cabinet reshuffle... To do

:07:44. > :07:50.it would have been a start. To get it done in less than three days...

:07:51. > :07:53.Was to sort out the Trident issue. He has a shadow Secretary of State

:07:54. > :07:58.for Defence who is with him in scrapping Trident. This goes one

:07:59. > :08:04.stage further, the idea now is that he will let the national executive,

:08:05. > :08:10.which is Labour's ruling body, they will start making policy. They are

:08:11. > :08:13.sympathetic to Jeremy Corbyn so they will be against Trident also, and

:08:14. > :08:17.take it away from the Shadow Cabinet. Another row is coming up.

:08:18. > :08:24.All over this country, where people are worried about jobs and pay and

:08:25. > :08:28.flooding, somebody doing something at the national executive of

:08:29. > :08:32.something or other, it will not particularly... It may work in the

:08:33. > :08:40.party but will it get people'sfeet tapping? I do not. It is what you

:08:41. > :08:45.were saying earlier. This will take away the power from the

:08:46. > :08:51.Parliamentary Labour Party, elected MPs and Shadow Cabinet. It will give

:08:52. > :08:55.it to all of these people who apparently support Jeremy Corbyn

:08:56. > :09:00.hugely. Bearing in mind a lot of those people are former militants,

:09:01. > :09:06.who have rejoined the party. This is like turning back the clock, going

:09:07. > :09:11.back to the 1980s of composite motions, the NEC. You cannot govern

:09:12. > :09:31.the country with a national executive. Some people call it

:09:32. > :09:32.resolutionary. This is saying parents should take lessons in how

:09:33. > :09:54.to control children. This is probably a good idea. This

:09:55. > :10:00.is about families. The practical side is more parenting classes. Why

:10:01. > :10:06.not. Make it available to as many people as possible, it seems like a

:10:07. > :10:15.good idea. Double the funding to 70 million for relationship charities.

:10:16. > :10:21.Relate, Marriage Counselling, which will help people to stay together.

:10:22. > :10:26.It will help the children. That is the idea. In principle, it seems to

:10:27. > :10:33.me quite good on the basis that you are not forcing anyone to do it? His

:10:34. > :10:40.critics will say why did you get rid of sure start, but of the good

:10:41. > :10:45.things the Tony Blair government brought in and was seen as a great

:10:46. > :10:49.help, children's centres, which a lot have closed because they have

:10:50. > :10:54.lost funding. This is not the first time David Cameron has done this, he

:10:55. > :10:58.is big on family and society. In 2011, after the riots, the

:10:59. > :11:07.government invested a lot of money in a thing called a parent pilot, it

:11:08. > :11:13.was only a pilot, but 2900 people signed up, very few men. It with

:11:14. > :11:17.that on the vine. Somewhere along here, you either have to make it

:11:18. > :11:24.compulsory, which everybody would hate, or... Because the parents who

:11:25. > :11:28.perhaps most need it least likely to take it? I am sure there are a

:11:29. > :11:34.million teachers reading this, thinking that would be great, it

:11:35. > :11:38.might stop them turning up shoving chips through the door, parking on

:11:39. > :11:43.double yellow lines and moaning that children have homework to do. I

:11:44. > :11:48.wonder if parents are thinking, what we need is affordable childcare

:11:49. > :11:52.because that is a real problem when particularly both parents work. That

:11:53. > :12:00.is coming in. The Tories are not always wrong. We are getting

:12:01. > :12:05.affordable childcare. Something like antenatal classes, which are

:12:06. > :12:10.popular, why not extend that? When I was a parent of young children, I

:12:11. > :12:14.would have liked to know how to deal with toddlers. You were terrified!

:12:15. > :12:19.You just wanted an instruction book! This needs to be in schools, this

:12:20. > :12:24.needs to be part of education for children. It needs to be joined up.

:12:25. > :12:30.It needs to start with children in primary school, and then you learn

:12:31. > :12:36.to talk to your baby brother and sister. It is a bit late when people

:12:37. > :12:40.get to being parents, if they are not very good parents, or they are

:12:41. > :12:44.struggling, to have lessons. Interesting to see how it will

:12:45. > :12:49.develop. A story that caught my eye, given what we were discussing

:12:50. > :12:55.earlier. You should not drink anything at all except water,

:12:56. > :13:03.apparently! Landlords appealed to regulars, carry on drinking. They

:13:04. > :13:09.plan for UK pubs. Pub closures are soaring. And if we are told to drink

:13:10. > :13:13.less... And dry January, people who decide to binge over Christmas and

:13:14. > :13:20.go completely dry over January, according to one pub, every time you

:13:21. > :13:25.go dry for January, a bartender dies! I think that is a little over

:13:26. > :13:32.the top! I wonder how they encourage their customers to drink. Pubs have

:13:33. > :13:38.had a rough time, but if they are closing at the rate of 29 per week,

:13:39. > :13:43.it is difficult, but you cannot base health advice on whether the retail

:13:44. > :13:48.sector will suffer from it. You could make the same argument about

:13:49. > :13:55.smoking. Add chicken shops. What do you think about this? Talking about

:13:56. > :14:00.serving more coffee, but many pubs do that. It is tough. Hotel and

:14:01. > :14:06.catering, pubs, it is a top business and a lot of pubs have managed to

:14:07. > :14:10.survive because they have turned into gastropods, concentrating on

:14:11. > :14:20.food. It is not new. Drink-driving, the cost of transport, all of that.

:14:21. > :14:24.Cheaper supermarkets. People drinking more at home. Where I live,

:14:25. > :14:29.which is a town that used to have the highest number of pubs per

:14:30. > :14:33.capita, it is interesting. The traditional pubs, some of them are

:14:34. > :14:39.empty, but we have a booming trade in micro-pubs that are doing well.

:14:40. > :14:45.That tells you something about the relationship between pub landlords

:14:46. > :14:52.and the breweries. A lot of places struggle the cars... It is not the

:14:53. > :14:57.rent, it is the compulsory... Being tied to a brewery. I know a place

:14:58. > :15:02.where pubs have closed book two micro-pubs have opened, one of which

:15:03. > :15:06.has a wall on which mobile phones are nailed with six inch nails and

:15:07. > :15:10.there is a sign that you are not allowed to use your mobile phone in

:15:11. > :15:19.this pub, or you give money to charity. That is a niche market. All

:15:20. > :15:21.that is happening is that some inventive pub landlords are

:15:22. > :15:27.reinventing themselves. And some are not. There was a report during the

:15:28. > :15:32.week from Morgan Stanley that said people might stay alone because of

:15:33. > :15:38.fears of going abroad and terror and it may be if we have people staying

:15:39. > :15:47.here to have holidays, pubs might well do well in the summer. It

:15:48. > :15:51.happened in 2009, and people stated. This is from the Sunday Times,

:15:52. > :15:56.diabetes fear over Coca-Cola being cheaper than water. Talking about

:15:57. > :16:00.sugar and the question of sugar taxes coming back. I think there is

:16:01. > :16:05.going to be pressure on the government to look at this. I am not

:16:06. > :16:10.sure whether a sugar taxes the answer because there will be a

:16:11. > :16:15.complaint that it will hit poorer families harder. It seems to me what

:16:16. > :16:21.you need to do is encourage food manufacturers to use less sugar to

:16:22. > :16:24.start with, which goes back to things about salt and fat, with

:16:25. > :16:31.people saying they are now putting in less. You wonder why they did not

:16:32. > :16:36.to start with. This is quite a bit of research, that Coca-Cola drinks

:16:37. > :16:40.in a supermarket, their own brand, is cheaper than bottled water. It

:16:41. > :16:45.tells you something about bottled water, as well. It is like all of

:16:46. > :16:50.these stories, you can turn it into what you want. The biggest pressure

:16:51. > :16:55.on the health service, apart from the ageing population is diabetes,

:16:56. > :17:01.because of the knock-on effect and cost of that. A huge amount of the

:17:02. > :17:10.NHS budget. Apparently we will all get bodies like this model if we do

:17:11. > :17:15.not eat sugar! Next week, we will be doing this without clothes! You

:17:16. > :17:20.could look at minimum pricing. It seems ludicrous if you sell four

:17:21. > :17:25.litres of cola at 90p and minimum price might do it. They tried it

:17:26. > :17:31.with alcohol in Scotland, so why not do that? The Sunday Mirror has an

:17:32. > :17:37.exclusive, Cheryl Fernandez-Versini, I am getting a divorce. It is quite

:17:38. > :17:42.sad. She is popular with a lot of people. She will have to change her

:17:43. > :17:46.name stop the difficult surname will have to go and something different,

:17:47. > :17:54.maybe she will go back to her former name. What is interesting, she has

:17:55. > :17:59.?20 million, there is no prenuptial agreement, what happens to the

:18:00. > :18:04.money? The lawyers get it. That is what does not help with parenting.

:18:05. > :18:09.There are no children involved, but this celebrity, it is on, it is off,

:18:10. > :18:14.I have got bored with this person, I am getting rid of them. It does that

:18:15. > :18:20.help, it puts out the message that when you get fed up, you can go onto

:18:21. > :18:25.the next part. Thank you very much. A reminder that we take a look at

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