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:00:00. > :00:44.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

:00:45. > :00:48.With me, Dawn-Maria France, Editor in Chief of Yorkshire Women's Life

:00:49. > :00:51.magazine and James Martin, Executive Editor of Huffington Post

:00:52. > :01:02.Cameron closes in on stop-gap EU deal? The paper is saying there is a

:01:03. > :01:07.meeting tomorrow with Donald tusk, the President of the EU and they are

:01:08. > :01:12.discussing the attempts to thrash out a deal to take control of the

:01:13. > :01:16.migrant flow into Europe and also to discuss the benefit payments. But

:01:17. > :01:20.the Euro-sceptics have said they dismissed the meeting and said that

:01:21. > :01:23.the preelection pledge is dead in the water. So I think it's one of

:01:24. > :01:30.those where we'll have to wait and see how it pans out. Yes. James,

:01:31. > :01:34.manoeuvering beyond manoeuvering going on at the moment isn't there?

:01:35. > :01:40.Yes, the line Number Ten are briefing out at the moment is that

:01:41. > :01:45.Cameron wants an immediate block on payments the day after any vote.

:01:46. > :01:49.It's either a mad panic from David Cameron to try and prove that he can

:01:50. > :01:55.get the vote done potentially in June, maybe June 29 or June 23 are

:01:56. > :01:58.the dates being currently looked at, or potentially prove he can't get it

:01:59. > :02:01.done and we are going to have to wait until February or March next

:02:02. > :02:07.year. He met with Jean-Claude Juncker on Friday. He's now going to

:02:08. > :02:12.be dining with Donald Tusk tomorrow night, the EU President. One thing

:02:13. > :02:15.is for sure about this, whatever David Cameron manages to get out of

:02:16. > :02:19.this meeting, it's not going to be enough and the pre-briefing has

:02:20. > :02:23.already been briefed again. It's very clear here that even if David

:02:24. > :02:28.Cameron wins this concession, Euro-sceptics aren't happy. That is

:02:29. > :02:35.the point isn't it, Dawn-Marie, that whatever he comes away with, some

:02:36. > :02:39.will say it's not enough and critics say he's already been to bed off?

:02:40. > :02:43.There is a ruling where he can put the breaks on the talks. The

:02:44. > :02:47.emergency brakes? The emergency brakes. The Euro-sceptics are saying

:02:48. > :02:51.that's not sufficient and they want to see more. I don't know if he

:02:52. > :02:55.could get a deal because, if you look at it from one point of view,

:02:56. > :02:59.you've got to look at the British nationals that go over to Europe.

:03:00. > :03:03.They'll be subject to the same four-year benefit taking place, so

:03:04. > :03:08.it's something that he needs to thrash out and he needs to satisfy

:03:09. > :03:14.the voters because, on the doorstep, that is the thing coming up over and

:03:15. > :03:16.over again. This is classic isn't it, the unintended consequences of

:03:17. > :03:21.pushing one lever and all sorts of things happen that maybe you didn't

:03:22. > :03:25.anticipate? Absolutely. What is really interesting here is the

:03:26. > :03:29.politics of the way that this EU debate is coming down on at the

:03:30. > :03:32.moment and you have the big beasts of the Tory party essentially

:03:33. > :03:35.seemingly going to back the in-campaign. Boris Johnson is

:03:36. > :03:40.hinting last week that he's going to back the campaign. It leaves Theresa

:03:41. > :03:43.May as really the only big Cabinet Minister who hasn't declared her

:03:44. > :03:47.hand yet. We know she's a big fan of the European arrest warrant, so

:03:48. > :03:51.essentially it's looking like she might stay on the in-campaign which

:03:52. > :03:55.leaves Chris Grayling as the only Cabinet Minister who may be fronting

:03:56. > :04:01.the out campaign. It doesn't really seem to matter at the moment how

:04:02. > :04:05.many out campaigns there are because obviously there are, what are we up

:04:06. > :04:09.to now Adam, three or four different outcomes? Multiples, if we put it

:04:10. > :04:14.that way. Another one last weekend didn't we? Yes, that is right. This

:04:15. > :04:18.is either an in or out debate, it doesn't strike me as something that

:04:19. > :04:24.even if the ad campaign come up with an argument that is going to matter,

:04:25. > :04:27.just the same way as the other side come up with a good idea. The only

:04:28. > :04:34.thing that will concern Number Ten is how many people vote, if it goes

:04:35. > :04:39.under 60%, it's likely that those who vote will be the ones voting

:04:40. > :04:44.out. That is the concern, can we get it above 50 or 60%. You nexted

:04:45. > :04:47.migration at the start of this, which is clearly going to be one of

:04:48. > :04:53.the defining principles of this debate. Here we go, front-page of

:04:54. > :04:58.the Sunday Telegraph; migration crisis deepens. Another one of these

:04:59. > :05:02.photographs. We have seen a few of these this year that looks almost

:05:03. > :05:07.like a bit of art, all manner of things going on. Just give us a

:05:08. > :05:13.run-down of how you read this story and also the background to it? There

:05:14. > :05:19.are a number of stories in this, the march of the far right looking to

:05:20. > :05:24.else scapegoat migrants, there's the drowning in Turkey, the EU

:05:25. > :05:30.referendum and talking about looking at the migrant crisis and also the

:05:31. > :05:40.Schengen agreement. We are now seeing Fortress Europe. There are

:05:41. > :05:48.quite a few things going on in this story. What I would like to come on

:05:49. > :05:53.to is the talks that took place with the UN Security Council when they

:05:54. > :05:59.talked about the Road Map for Syria. A lot of these migrants are coming

:06:00. > :06:03.from Syria and they talked about moving forward with plans to

:06:04. > :06:06.actually look at moving Syria forward, but they didn't talk about

:06:07. > :06:15.what they were going to do with Assad or Daesh. It frustrates me,

:06:16. > :06:20.does the Syria question, so I think there's not joined up thinking. I

:06:21. > :06:24.would like to see some sort of European solution to how we tackle

:06:25. > :06:30.Syria because that is where the crisis is taking place. We need to

:06:31. > :06:37.tackle that fundamentally and look at stopping people leaving that

:06:38. > :06:41.country in desperate need. It's a really interesting point that

:06:42. > :06:45.Dawn-Maria has made because 39 people killed in the Aegean sea

:06:46. > :06:50.today off the back of 20 killed only a few days ago. You've got 224

:06:51. > :06:53.migrants that have already drowned this year trying to make that

:06:54. > :06:59.crossing. That is a huge number of people. Actually, 55,000 arrivals

:07:00. > :07:05.into Europe already this year. That is a 35-fold increase from January

:07:06. > :07:10.last year. This whole EU vote debate really hinges on this migration

:07:11. > :07:14.crisis. The reason why Cameron wants to get this done soon, he's pushing

:07:15. > :07:20.for the June deadline, is we don't know what will happen with the

:07:21. > :07:24.crisis. It's only going to be seen to get worse as a political problem.

:07:25. > :07:28.This photograph here is essentially the worst case scenario isn't it,

:07:29. > :07:32.something that you feel like it could be a Banksy painting at some

:07:33. > :07:35.point, it's such an amazing photograph, but what's happened here

:07:36. > :07:40.in the shadow of the white cliffs of Dover is that this wasn't a protest,

:07:41. > :07:43.this was always set out to be a brawl. You look at some of the

:07:44. > :07:47.weapons seized here and no-one comes out of it looking well. Both sides,

:07:48. > :07:51.you've got masked people, all dressed in black, I don't think

:07:52. > :07:57.either side comes out looking particularly well. You have people

:07:58. > :08:01.carrying cans of Strongbow here, lock knives, knuckle dusters, people

:08:02. > :08:06.waving around poles and bits of wood and so on. It's the crisis at its

:08:07. > :08:15.worst in many ways and this is actually in Britain, you know, this

:08:16. > :08:22.isn't Stockholmes. Dawn-marine, you mentioned the whole cocktail of

:08:23. > :08:25.issues that are in here and, from a media perspective, is that cocktail

:08:26. > :08:32.going to be reflected in the coverage, or do you think it could

:08:33. > :08:38.come down to just things like migration - good/bad. I think it's

:08:39. > :08:41.migration and scapegoating as well, people looking to apportion blame

:08:42. > :08:47.and the migrants are taking the blame for everything that is going

:08:48. > :08:53.wrong. Also the march of the far right are looking to further their

:08:54. > :08:57.claim to, it's the migrants coming over causing this, that and the

:08:58. > :09:02.other, and a mix of David Cameron trying to resolve the issue. And

:09:03. > :09:07.they need to look at, in the summer when the migrants come over, if the

:09:08. > :09:12.EU referendum goes out, that could be disastrous. It will impact

:09:13. > :09:15.clearly. Estimates upwards of two million attempting to make that

:09:16. > :09:18.crossing trying to get into the EU. I mean, in the shadow of that, you

:09:19. > :09:23.can understand why David Cameron wants to get this vote done sooner

:09:24. > :09:29.rather than later. Lots of familiar topics in the Sunday papers, but

:09:30. > :09:33.here is one that you will not have failed to miss. Have I got my double

:09:34. > :09:39.negatives the right way around there? You didn't have to search

:09:40. > :09:44.hard. The front-page, fury over Tory battle to protect Google's ?30

:09:45. > :09:48.billion island tax haven. James, we have been hearing about ?130 million

:09:49. > :09:56.tax bill, the stakes have gone up here? ! Bermuda sounds great this

:09:57. > :10:03.time of year, regardless of whether it's a tax haven or not giving the

:10:04. > :10:09.weather here. Since 2005 on about billions of profits. The debate here

:10:10. > :10:17.is essentially what we are seeing played out on in fronts -- many

:10:18. > :10:21.fronts, is there a legislative solution here? Unless every country

:10:22. > :10:26.in the world will sign up to a deal to stop this corporation tax arms

:10:27. > :10:32.race which seems to be going on at the moment, we have Linked-in,

:10:33. > :10:39.Facebook, Google, they get the nice healthy tax rate. Lord Lawson has

:10:40. > :10:42.been saying, you start taxing on sales but not profits, potentially

:10:43. > :10:46.you might have a solution there because it's liking unlikely you are

:10:47. > :10:50.going to get a global deal. The politics of this, I use Google

:10:51. > :10:56.probably thousand of times every week. My bill from Google is zero.

:10:57. > :11:00.And unless I'm a small business person of which there are many and

:11:01. > :11:04.the backbone of the UK economy and 31st deadline coming up for your

:11:05. > :11:08.assessment and you can guarantee if you don't get it done on time you

:11:09. > :11:11.will probably get fined, I'm indifferent about it as being a

:11:12. > :11:14.political issue. I don't know if it's going to hurt the Tories as

:11:15. > :11:18.much as potentially everyone thinks it will. What do you think, if you

:11:19. > :11:23.were Google, Barclays I remember getting pelted when they were the

:11:24. > :11:26.first movers in paying up some banking fines, are we castigating

:11:27. > :11:31.Google just because it's their name in the headlines when it could be

:11:32. > :11:37.any number of other tech companies? That's true. I watched Prime

:11:38. > :11:41.Minister's Questions on Wednesday, the debate between Cameron and

:11:42. > :11:43.Corbyn and Corbyn discussed it and Cameron said under Labour they

:11:44. > :11:48.didn't pay anything and at least they are paying something. My

:11:49. > :11:52.argument is that small business, the background of the economy, they have

:11:53. > :11:55.to pay their tax rates on time and I believe that maybe there needs to be

:11:56. > :12:01.some sort of change in the law to make it equal. If they pay their

:12:02. > :12:04.taxes late, they'll be penalised so it looks like an unequal balance

:12:05. > :12:08.between big business and small business. But then it might be a

:12:09. > :12:12.question of big businesses are too big to fail, which is a question

:12:13. > :12:17.that's being stated a lot of the time and the sweetheart deal does

:12:18. > :12:21.sound very conflicting. Too big to fail. We have heard that expression

:12:22. > :12:25.before! For the moment, thank you very much and well done if you have

:12:26. > :12:33.a self-assessment tax return to do and you've done it. Well done.

:12:34. > :12:36.Thank you very much indeed to James and Dawn-marine who are back at 11.