:00:00. > :00:00.tonight to win the group and reach and other qualifying round. That's
:00:00. > :00:20.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:21. > :00:22.With me are the former newspaper editor Eve Pollard
:00:23. > :00:25.and David Wooding, Political Editor of the Sun on Sunday.
:00:26. > :00:30.According to the Sunday Times, the boss of EasyJet has warned
:00:31. > :00:32.that cheap flights are at risk if the UK
:00:33. > :00:38.Ahead of the EU referendum the Mail on Sunday says
:00:39. > :00:41.a senior aide to Angela Merkel claims the UK 'can not survive
:00:42. > :00:49.Public faith in Cameron drops is the Independent
:00:50. > :00:53.on Sunday's headline - with a new poll claiming 6 out of 10
:00:54. > :00:57.expect the PM not to secure a good deal in Brussels talks this week.
:00:58. > :00:59.The Observer says Jeremy Corbyn will make the positive
:01:00. > :01:01.case for European migration in a speech this week.
:01:02. > :01:04.Its lead story says a leaked report paints a "devastating picture"
:01:05. > :01:05.of mental health services in England.
:01:06. > :01:07.The Telegraph claims the government could soon fund
:01:08. > :01:13.new onshore wind farms through green levies.
:01:14. > :01:21.Let's begin with the Sunday Telegraph, mutiny over par
:01:22. > :01:25.minister's plan to gag anti-EU campaigners. They say they have been
:01:26. > :01:33.gagged yet you hear quite a lot of anti-European Union as well as
:01:34. > :01:36.pro-Europe in the it is the week of the summit so David Cameron has
:01:37. > :01:43.packed three shirts! He will be there for two or three nights. This
:01:44. > :01:47.disquiet is being talked about, they are under a deal, those against the
:01:48. > :01:51.EU wanting to leave been told to keep their traps shut until the
:01:52. > :01:56.Prime Minister has come back with a deal and put it to the Cabinet. The
:01:57. > :01:59.issue is timing. He is having the cabinet meeting on Monday and is
:02:00. > :02:05.expected to clinch the deal on a Friday which will give him all next
:02:06. > :02:10.weekend, Saturday and Sunday hogging the airwaves, going on chat shows,
:02:11. > :02:15.the Andrew Marr show, everything, pushing the cause to stay in the EU,
:02:16. > :02:20.saying it is great and everyone else will be gagged so there's the threat
:02:21. > :02:25.of a mutiny unless equals a Cabinet meeting immediately when he comes
:02:26. > :02:29.back from Brussels. It means the prospects, if you browse to this, of
:02:30. > :02:35.the first Saturday Cabinet meeting since the Falklands War in 1982.
:02:36. > :02:42.Quite right, if doctors have to work on weekends, why not politicians!
:02:43. > :02:46.Entertainment back -- LAUGHTER
:02:47. > :02:51.Even if we don't vote until June it will seem to some quiet and fair
:02:52. > :02:55.that he can make the case. June is quite soon to be making such a big
:02:56. > :03:05.decision. We are in February already. I think the gag thing will
:03:06. > :03:10.continue to be the story, unless he says, OK, we should have this
:03:11. > :03:16.Cabinet meeting and then you are free to speak. How engaged do you
:03:17. > :03:22.think your readers are by this story? Do they really care or not? I
:03:23. > :03:25.think it is all background noise at the moment, to be honest. I think
:03:26. > :03:30.people will begin to focus on the issues as we get close to June 23,
:03:31. > :03:34.the favourite date for this. The danger is, if we keep hearing only
:03:35. > :03:38.one side, if everyone backs the Prime Minister, in the Cabinet,
:03:39. > :03:47.there will not be enough dissenting voices and many people will think it
:03:48. > :03:50.is an establishment stitch up and that will turn against Europe even
:03:51. > :03:52.more, in my view, as they have done with the rise of Ukip and Jeremy
:03:53. > :03:56.Corbyn being voted in because people are fed up with the old-fashioned
:03:57. > :04:01.politicians. I think that's true. We know that most people don't even
:04:02. > :04:05.think about the election until three weeks before, unless you are stuck
:04:06. > :04:11.on a party you will always stick to. My feeling is that we still don't
:04:12. > :04:17.have enough facts. I want to judge this with my head, not my heart. I
:04:18. > :04:21.want to know how much we give the EU each year and how much we give back.
:04:22. > :04:26.I got an e-mail from a friend the other day, Stanley Johnson, the
:04:27. > :04:30.father of Boris. He said the EU had done amazing things for the
:04:31. > :04:35.environment. I want to know this. I think that is the other problem. I
:04:36. > :04:40.feel I walk into this under a cloud. Of course I know what the EU is, I
:04:41. > :04:52.just don't know the detail. This point came up in the Scottish
:04:53. > :04:55.referendum, do people vote on the facts, are there any facts? Will the
:04:56. > :04:57.price of oil go up or down? It is difficult to say what a fact was.
:04:58. > :05:01.People voted with their gut, they wanted to be independent or they
:05:02. > :05:07.wanted to be part of Britain. Of course certain people have get
:05:08. > :05:10.votes, I am a woman, purely practical, what will happen, will
:05:11. > :05:14.there be a run on the pound, will things go up in cost, will cars and
:05:15. > :05:22.things we import from places like Germany cost more? On that happy
:05:23. > :05:28.note, the Mail on Sunday, Germans, you cannot survive without us.
:05:29. > :05:35.Angela Merkel's attack dog threatens a trade war after the Brexit. I go
:05:36. > :05:44.to Germany a lot and I had never heard of this man. Angela Merkel was
:05:45. > :05:47.being pro-the new Deal, and the question was, would Europe survive
:05:48. > :05:51.because she has done a difficult thing by allowing all this mass
:05:52. > :05:55.migration. This German MP was chatting to Bill Cash and said,
:05:56. > :06:04.there will be tariffs, maybe there will maybe they want, this is what
:06:05. > :06:10.we want to know. If we want to sell crumpets or whatever we sell to
:06:11. > :06:13.Germany... LAUGHTER
:06:14. > :06:19.Our crumpets versus their Volkswagens, an interesting deal. As
:06:20. > :06:23.opposed whether you think this is Project Fear, if we were outside the
:06:24. > :06:28.EU, and there was a degree of bitterness about it, they might not
:06:29. > :06:33.think that they owe us so there might be retaliation. As Liam Fox
:06:34. > :06:38.says will French wine producers want to stop selling wine to Britain and
:06:39. > :06:43.will the Germans want to stop selling us BMW and Mercedes cars? I
:06:44. > :06:48.doubt it. This German MP says that they could make it difficult for
:06:49. > :06:53.Britain. It's very colourful when he read the story because Bill Cash,
:06:54. > :06:59.whose father died in the war when he was four, his father won the
:07:00. > :07:02.military Cross, he said, are you threatening me, we fought a war, we
:07:03. > :07:10.don't want Germany telling us what to do! People who are not aged 105,
:07:11. > :07:16.like me, will have forgotten that! They know we fought a war but that
:07:17. > :07:22.is a long time ago, to them. They will be thinking that, we will have
:07:23. > :07:25.to pay more for things. People's pockets are important in this
:07:26. > :07:30.discussion. The Sunday Times also has a good story on this. This could
:07:31. > :07:35.be a project for travel chiefs, the EasyJet boss says that cheap flights
:07:36. > :07:40.will be at risk. Two aspects to this, according to the boss of
:07:41. > :07:44.easyJet, a British exit would drive up the cost of air travel and
:07:45. > :07:49.there's another theme about terrorism which would affect us.
:07:50. > :07:55.People would certainly pay attention to the cost of holidays. Certainly.
:07:56. > :08:00.There is all that stuff about now that Vladimir Putin is flexing his
:08:01. > :08:05.muscles by bombing Syria. Should we be in together so that we are all
:08:06. > :08:09.safe? I don't know if that matters. People could well think twice if
:08:10. > :08:15.they think their trip to Spain or wherever will go up in price. It's a
:08:16. > :08:19.very valid point. I think those things make people decide where they
:08:20. > :08:26.are going, how it will affect their family. What do you think? Project
:08:27. > :08:30.Fear, this, to me, sounds like a trumped up scaremongering story. I
:08:31. > :08:39.cannot believe that you won't be able to go on your holidays
:08:40. > :08:43.anywhere. Peter Long, key is the man whose company was not responsible
:08:44. > :08:47.for but had holiday-makers in Tunisia when there was that
:08:48. > :08:53.terrorist shooting, and he says, it might not be safer for the holidays
:08:54. > :08:58.and things like that. Playing on people's fears, I think the two big
:08:59. > :09:04.issues people will have in their minds, and this will probably swear
:09:05. > :09:09.it one way or the other, will it be secure for jobs by staying in, and
:09:10. > :09:12.if so, they will probably opt to stay in Europe. Immigration is the
:09:13. > :09:18.first thing that, if they think about that they will probably vote
:09:19. > :09:22.to leave. I wonder if part of it, is, in the end, who do you trust.
:09:23. > :09:30.This woman runs an airline, I will trust rather than politician. That
:09:31. > :09:35.is true. As we know, anti-politician feeling is rife here and in America,
:09:36. > :09:38.where you see people turning up who have never been politicians before,
:09:39. > :09:44.or even people like Bernie Sanders who have never been heard of before,
:09:45. > :09:48.at least not by us. Suddenly that whole thing about politicians, we
:09:49. > :09:51.are fed up with them sitting on the couch and never telling you the
:09:52. > :09:58.answer. You might well trust somebody who is running easyJet.
:09:59. > :10:04.People who have made your holiday possible, rather than a politician.
:10:05. > :10:13.This story has the fingerprints of number ten Downing St all over it.
:10:14. > :10:17.The boss of easyJet will be a Dame! Are you suggesting that this can of
:10:18. > :10:24.thing goes on in politics, I'm shocked! The Independent on Sunday.
:10:25. > :10:28.Public faith in Camelon drops, six out of ten people expect him not to
:10:29. > :10:32.get a good deal in Brussels talks this week, must half the voters say
:10:33. > :10:37.the UK would have more control of borders outside the EU. This comes
:10:38. > :10:42.back to the question of do we trust politicians, is this a sham, David
:10:43. > :10:47.Cameron, will he get the greatest deal ever, whatever it is? What is
:10:48. > :10:53.interesting is, inside they show this poll, and the Tories are still
:10:54. > :10:59.way ahead even though Cameron himself might have had a knock. I
:11:00. > :11:04.think that what he said, Dave, is important, because the fact is, all
:11:05. > :11:08.you hear is the pro-Europe stuff and not the anti-Europe stuff. You
:11:09. > :11:13.think, why are they not letting the other side to speak? And of course
:11:14. > :11:17.there is no leader of the Out campaign. The people who want to
:11:18. > :11:22.leave the common market rowing amongst themselves so badly... There
:11:23. > :11:28.are two or three different campaigns. It is confusing coming
:11:29. > :11:31.between Vote Leave, Get Out, whatever, they don't have a
:11:32. > :11:36.figurehead which is a problem for them. The big story this week will
:11:37. > :11:40.be what Michael Gove does. He is known to be agonising about this,
:11:41. > :11:43.torn between loyalty to the Prime Minister who has been a great friend
:11:44. > :11:48.of his over the years and his deep belief that we should be outside
:11:49. > :11:53.Europe. He would be a big coup for Vote Leave if he decided to go that
:11:54. > :11:57.way. He constantly says he will wait for what they finally decide. And
:11:58. > :12:04.far from me to say that politicians do this that he may come back with a
:12:05. > :12:09.better deal. It may have been fixed that way. Other people in Europe
:12:10. > :12:14.want change as well, maybe not the same change Camelon wants all the
:12:15. > :12:18.voters want. This is their chance. What are your instincts, even if Mr
:12:19. > :12:22.Cameron came back with what seems like a good deal, given the nature
:12:23. > :12:27.of the Conservative Party, this won't go away. I've spoken to many
:12:28. > :12:31.Tories who say, even if we lose, and we want, we will continue to
:12:32. > :12:37.campaign to leave the EU. They were two reasons for David Cameron
:12:38. > :12:40.calling a referendum, one was to add Flickr Ukip and labour at the last
:12:41. > :12:43.election and to some extent that worked. The other is to lance the
:12:44. > :12:48.boil of Europe in his party which has been festering feels, right
:12:49. > :12:54.through the Thatcher years and effectively brought down John Major.
:12:55. > :12:58.Good luck with that one. And it will carry on. Like the Scottish
:12:59. > :13:06.referendum. We will always be waiting for the next one. Never
:13:07. > :13:10.ending. The sad story of the week. The independent and the Independent
:13:11. > :13:17.on Sunday have been part of many journalists's lives, sadly not
:13:18. > :13:23.enough to keep the newspaper going. The problem is that people read
:13:24. > :13:28.papers for free on the Internet. Perhaps you can direct a pay wall
:13:29. > :13:31.and that works, and some papers have done that, but they won't pay for
:13:32. > :13:36.the news and keeping somebody like you in America is very expensive.
:13:37. > :13:44.Doing investigative stories that can take months is expensive. And of
:13:45. > :13:47.course advertising has been pushed, it is enormously powerful
:13:48. > :13:50.advertising in the newspapers, and of Tesco or Volkswagen want to sell
:13:51. > :13:57.a lot of cars next week that is where they go, not to digital. It
:13:58. > :14:01.would of course be much cheaper if you could just have this newspaper
:14:02. > :14:04.on the website. How that would go, it will be interesting. What will be
:14:05. > :14:10.worrying is of other papers follow their lead. That might happen. There
:14:11. > :14:15.is an argument that the FT could do this, there is an Aga and that they
:14:16. > :14:21.could to it successfully online. A sad moment. Very sad. And online
:14:22. > :14:26.it's doesn't make as much money as the printed version, so therefore,
:14:27. > :14:31.the investment in good journalists who cost money, and the quantity of
:14:32. > :14:37.journalists drops. And then the quality of journalism and everything
:14:38. > :14:41.else... And also, you buy a paper and you think there is a lot to read
:14:42. > :14:46.in it, you can read it on the train, it's not the same on the web. A
:14:47. > :14:51.friend of mine said that a lot of stuff online is just graffiti with
:14:52. > :14:55.punctuation! The Sunday Times. Sir Bernard Hogan Howe to face the widow
:14:56. > :14:59.of Leon Britton. Another very interesting story, how the police
:15:00. > :15:05.handled these very serious allegations, and then they turned
:15:06. > :15:09.out to have no substance. What is appalling about this, there is one
:15:10. > :15:14.man, this person named Nick, who because he is middle aged and middle
:15:15. > :15:19.class, the police seem to have believed every word he said. They
:15:20. > :15:23.did everything the wrong way round, I think. Before you listen to this
:15:24. > :15:27.man and give him any credence, let him give you dates. Let him tell you
:15:28. > :15:32.where he has been. He described apparently going to the home of Ted
:15:33. > :15:35.Heath in Park Lane. Ted Heath never had a house in Park Lane. He
:15:36. > :15:42.described the boats all over the walls. They did not exist. Before
:15:43. > :15:47.you start naming them and talk about listening to them you should make
:15:48. > :15:51.sure that the evidence that you have, I am very much on the side of
:15:52. > :15:56.victims, they have do give you more... And this guy seems to have
:15:57. > :16:00.met everybody famous. Every male success in the last 20 years. A
:16:01. > :16:07.degree of scepticism would be in order? Because we know of failures
:16:08. > :16:11.to investigate some of the crimes in the past that have been terrible.
:16:12. > :16:17.And Tom Watson hasn't been very good at this because he was encouraging
:16:18. > :16:22.this. He's gone quiet and he has apologised. Sir Bernard Hogan Howe
:16:23. > :16:25.is not to apologise to Bramall or to the widow of Leon Britton and that
:16:26. > :16:30.is a disgrace. We will leave it there. Thank you both.
:16:31. > :16:33.Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrow's front pages every
:16:34. > :16:42.evening at 1030 and 1130 here on BBC News.
:16:43. > :16:49.For most of us the weather is not looking too bad today on Valentine's
:16:50. > :16:55.Day. Some sunshine with a view wintry showers. For some of us it
:16:56. > :16:56.has been more than just a few wintry showers. Look at