:00:00. > :00:27.performances from English teams in the Europa League, and another bad
:00:28. > :00:32.night for Louis van Gaal. Welcome to our chat about the papers. We have
:00:33. > :00:36.had a lively last hour, let's see if we can do it again.
:00:37. > :00:38.The Financial Times reports that the European Central Bank is
:00:39. > :00:47.on course for more aggressive measures to boost flagging growth
:00:48. > :00:51.David Cameron is pictured on the front of The Metro as he arrived
:00:52. > :00:55.at the summit of European leaders, and promised to 'Battle for
:00:56. > :00:57.Britain'. The Daily Telegraph leads with the news that 80
:00:58. > :01:07.of our biggest companies are poised to vote for staying in Europe.
:01:08. > :01:10.Whilst The Guardian warns that David Cameron has embarked on the
:01:11. > :01:15.The Times reports that European leaders are joining together to add
:01:16. > :01:21.a "last chance" clause into the renegotiation deal, ensuring that
:01:22. > :01:23.Britain would never be allowed to reopen talks. Meanwhile,
:01:24. > :01:28.The Daily Express insists that The Prime Minister can't win
:01:29. > :01:31.his the argument with his counterparts in Brussels. And
:01:32. > :01:34.finally The Mirror reveals that more than 600 prisoners could be
:01:35. > :01:36.freed because the rule used to jail them for
:01:37. > :01:46.Let's begin with the Times and the Guardian. It looks like the
:01:47. > :01:50.journalists from these papers have been briefed by the same people.
:01:51. > :01:55.Yes, both saying this is the last chance for Britain to negotiate a
:01:56. > :02:03.credible deal. There will be no further renegotiation if on the day
:02:04. > :02:07.of the referendum we vote for a Brexit. This was initially pushed
:02:08. > :02:18.for by Belgium and France, and David Cameron is believed to go along with
:02:19. > :02:26.it, because it will help turn the resolve of those who want to vote no
:02:27. > :02:34.with the aim of getting a better deal the second time around. Whether
:02:35. > :02:38.we go and vote again and again until we get it right. Typical Brussels.
:02:39. > :02:45.As you have said, they have had the same briefing from somebody, to
:02:46. > :02:51.serious newspapers. I wouldn't have thought there would be a better way
:02:52. > :02:58.of winding up the Brits than four Belgian and a Frenchman to tell them
:02:59. > :03:01.what is going to happen if you vote either way. If you are told by
:03:02. > :03:05.Francois Hollande, this is what happens and you have to suck it up,
:03:06. > :03:15.it will just push them the other way. It adds a lot of clarity. It is
:03:16. > :03:21.not true, is it? It might be. Let's say Britain votes to come out,
:03:22. > :03:28.45-55. Do you really believe that Brussels won't try to say, let's
:03:29. > :03:32.have another referendum. It will. On previous form, you would think it
:03:33. > :03:37.would happen again. But no country has left the EU like this, it hasn't
:03:38. > :03:41.happened before, and if this is a real club and it is all about the
:03:42. > :03:45.future of an ever closer union and handing the big issues of our time
:03:46. > :03:51.coherently, and one member says this far and no more, on your way. That
:03:52. > :03:57.is fine, but what there should be about is the 520 million people
:03:58. > :04:01.living in peace, who got a chance to compete in Asia's century. It
:04:02. > :04:08.shouldn't be about whether a French president gets his way. Or indeed a
:04:09. > :04:14.British PM. For Brussels, with no democratic connection, with an
:04:15. > :04:18.enormous end of elitism and no relationship down into the guts of
:04:19. > :04:24.the populations of these countries, they are marching towards 1970.
:04:25. > :04:31.Brussels is made up of Eurocrats, unelected officials, but they are
:04:32. > :04:35.confident member states of the EU are Europeans who believe in a
:04:36. > :04:38.project. They are not Europeans, are they? They actually support there
:04:39. > :04:44.were a nationstate. But they are from Europe. The French believe in
:04:45. > :04:48.it, slightly differently from how the Germans do, and differently from
:04:49. > :04:52.how British people to. It was created by the French, for the
:04:53. > :04:56.French, with the French, and Germany will pay correct. You are saying
:04:57. > :05:04.nothing has changed? Nothing has changed. That is to take of the
:05:05. > :05:10.broadsheets. Two of the tabloids, first of all the Daily Mail. What do
:05:11. > :05:19.you think about is that what his face says to you? That is mid
:05:20. > :05:26.expression, he has a strange face, he doesn't really have a mouth. I
:05:27. > :05:31.agree. He has an unfortunate face. I am interested in what the words are.
:05:32. > :05:36.Tory MPs reacted furiously to the BBC giving a ten minute platform for
:05:37. > :05:43.scaremongering claims about the dangers of leaving the EU. This was
:05:44. > :05:50.on the Today programme this morning on Radio 4. There was a ten minute
:05:51. > :05:55.interview... Do they give anyone else ten minutes? That I can't tell
:05:56. > :06:04.you. The fact that it happened on the same date. At 3am on a
:06:05. > :06:09.Sunday... People like that Iran the BBC all the time. I find it
:06:10. > :06:15.interesting, because looking at it the other way, we will see a lot of
:06:16. > :06:18.scaremongering on both sides. I heard the other day that for some
:06:19. > :06:21.reason Karen Brady is alleged to have said that if we left the EU we
:06:22. > :06:30.couldn't bring premiership footballers in from Europe. And, we
:06:31. > :06:37.won't get cheap flights. What a load of baloney! You are broadly somebody
:06:38. > :06:42.who does not describe yourself as an ideological eurosceptic, but is that
:06:43. > :06:48.something you are worried about? The campaign? Yes, I want to look for
:06:49. > :06:51.reasons to stay in. I am not archaeologically eurosceptic, I just
:06:52. > :06:55.don't see the added value of staying in. I believe it has to come to an
:06:56. > :07:00.end because I can't see how my country can stay competitive by
:07:01. > :07:05.hitching my wagon to their wagon train. I want to see a more balanced
:07:06. > :07:10.argument. Present company excepted, when I look at the people lining up
:07:11. > :07:15.to say we need to get out, they are the people who still say Tanganyika
:07:16. > :07:20.instead of Tanzania, who think we are all going to the dogs, and who
:07:21. > :07:27.20 years ago would have said that I am not a dish or English. It is not
:07:28. > :07:30.all of them. It is not all of them, but I look at them and they have a
:07:31. > :07:37.very long memory, and I think, what with a saying in the 80s or 90s?
:07:38. > :07:48.You're blessedly do, Jeremy Corbyn... E is not my leader. He was
:07:49. > :07:55.anti- Europe until he was elected. Is he one of those mispronouncing
:07:56. > :07:59.Kenya as well? It is not about the technical side, but when I hear
:08:00. > :08:05.about those people, a lot of them are not my kind of people. There are
:08:06. > :08:11.quite a lot of people voting for the EU who are like that. All I want is
:08:12. > :08:15.a proper, rational economic debate about how an unemployed kid in
:08:16. > :08:20.Greece who is 23 years old today is going to compete in the Asian
:08:21. > :08:25.century. We may have weeks, months, or who knows, more than a year of
:08:26. > :08:29.that. I think there are a lot of people like me who do not
:08:30. > :08:34.archaeologically want to come out, but they want a reason why we should
:08:35. > :08:39.stay in, going past the gut that you talk about. Let's move away from
:08:40. > :08:44.Europe into a big issue on the front of the mirror. This is quite a
:08:45. > :08:50.strongly worded response to a decision by the Supreme Court that
:08:51. > :08:55.joint enterprise, the law that meant you could be convicted of murder if
:08:56. > :08:58.he won't actually the person who did it -- if you were not actually the
:08:59. > :09:03.person who did it, has been misapplied for 30 years. We have
:09:04. > :09:09.seen large numbers of young people, particularly young black people, in
:09:10. > :09:17.prison under common purpose or joint enterprise. When we see these two
:09:18. > :09:21.faces of Gary Dobson and David Norris, convicted of killing Stephen
:09:22. > :09:27.Lawrence, it inflames people. It makes us think, people are going to
:09:28. > :09:33.introduce a guideline that mean guys like this will get away with murder.
:09:34. > :09:38.Actually, Clive Coleman said that these guys would not be saved by
:09:39. > :09:41.this ruling, because they were deemed to have actively participated
:09:42. > :09:45.in the murder of Stephen Lawrence. It is about people who may have been
:09:46. > :09:50.on the fringes of an incident who didn't know that somebody could
:09:51. > :09:56.reasonably be expected to kill somebody, but who then got hoovered
:09:57. > :10:00.up in the attempt to call everybody guilty in a particular incident.
:10:01. > :10:06.What I don't understand is, why will it be retrospective? If they are
:10:07. > :10:12.saying this law should be interpreted in another way, and from
:10:13. > :10:16.now on it will be, I get that. That is what law is, change the
:10:17. > :10:21.application, change the implementation. But if you are going
:10:22. > :10:26.to say, we have made our mind up that it has been wrongly interpreted
:10:27. > :10:36.for 30 years... If I am Dunford driving at 40 mph in a 30 mph zone,
:10:37. > :10:44.and then they put up the speed limit to 40 mph, they are not going to
:10:45. > :10:52.tell me that I'm no longer wrong. -- done for. What they are saying is
:10:53. > :10:57.that the law hasn't changed, but the interpretation has changed. So the
:10:58. > :11:02.people convicted from 1984 onwards are subject to a miscarriage of
:11:03. > :11:09.justice. Why were they? Because judges in 2016 say so? Yellow
:11:10. > :11:15.because the bar was set too low. I don't get it, I get the change in
:11:16. > :11:20.the law, but not when it was moved forward. What you don't like is the
:11:21. > :11:23.effect of it. You are making a leap, you are saying that there was a
:11:24. > :11:26.miscarriage of justice because somebody is interpreting something
:11:27. > :11:34.differently now. The law hasn't changed. In your example, the law
:11:35. > :11:40.had changed. That doesn't get you off the hook. I take that, so that
:11:41. > :11:45.is the case, what about careless driving, which is a subjective
:11:46. > :11:49.analysis? If you are done for careless because you are eating an
:11:50. > :11:53.apple, and then suddenly they passed a law that say that that is no
:11:54. > :12:05.longer careless driving, would they quashed my conviction? I am glad...
:12:06. > :12:14.I think this is money for the lawyers. Let's move on to the front
:12:15. > :12:18.page of the Telegraph. This is a big smiling photo of Pope Francis. I
:12:19. > :12:22.think he is smiling because he is about to take off. He is doing an
:12:23. > :12:29.impersonation of a fabulous helicopter. This is an interesting
:12:30. > :12:34.point. The Pope has been heard on the flight home, briefing
:12:35. > :12:39.journalists, speaking in Spanish, and he said that if Yugo
:12:40. > :12:48.anti-immigration and away the Donald Trump has, it is not Christian do
:12:49. > :12:57.so. If you go. He says it is not Christian. The quote says, a person
:12:58. > :13:01.who thinks only about building walls, when they ought to be
:13:02. > :13:04.building bridges... This is Donald Trump wanting to build a wall to
:13:05. > :13:13.stop illegal emigration from Mexico. It is not Christian. In the
:13:14. > :13:20.Telegraph they say he is not a Christian. That is an enormous
:13:21. > :13:28.difference. I am pleased the Pope said this, because back in September
:13:29. > :13:32.the US, Washington, Wall Street, Main Street, everybody turned out
:13:33. > :13:39.for the Pope. He is a massive spiritual leader, even in the US.
:13:40. > :13:45.There are plenty of Catholics there. It forced people to rethink
:13:46. > :13:51.Christianity. All the GOP candidates are wrapping themselves in their
:13:52. > :14:02.religion. Americans always do at campaign time. 1-storey left. Tesco
:14:03. > :14:13.have announced that they are withdrawing croissants that are
:14:14. > :14:20.crescent shaped. They will only have them straight. People will think I'm
:14:21. > :14:30.about is what Brussels does! It has nothing to do with Brussels at. All
:14:31. > :14:36.of these people struggling to put to put butter on their croissant. Some
:14:37. > :14:40.people think it is more sophisticated to have a straight one
:14:41. > :14:45.and a crescent shaped one. We know you belong to the Easington
:14:46. > :14:56.intelligentsia, you have never been near a working population in your
:14:57. > :15:01.life. You be doing this, ra ra ra, I can't put my data on this. Tomorrow,
:15:02. > :15:08.we will be told we should be eating a hearty English breakfast. --
:15:09. > :15:13.butter. Thank you to both of you, always a pleasure. We will be back
:15:14. > :15:34.with more at the top of the hour. Now, Sportsday.
:15:35. > :15:37.Louis van Gaal says United's loss to Danish side Midtjylland is