:00:00. > :00:14.along with Woody Harrelson and a cast of bank robbers in 999.
:00:15. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers
:00:18. > :00:20.With me are the author and journalist,
:00:21. > :00:25.Rachel Shabi and Tim Stanley, columnist for the Telegraph.
:00:26. > :00:26.The European referendum dominates the Sunday papers.
:00:27. > :00:33.The Observer leads with a quote from David Cameron:
:00:34. > :00:42.He says he believes Britain will be safer and stronger in the EU.
:00:43. > :00:44.The Independent on Sunday says Mr Cameron is playing
:00:45. > :00:47.on voters' fears by putting safety at the centre of the battle.
:00:48. > :00:50.The Sunday Express says the EU is stuck in the past,
:00:51. > :00:53.and that Michael Gove's withering attack on Brussels has got the Out
:00:54. > :00:57.The Mail on Sunday says Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are engaged
:00:58. > :01:01.in a secret plot, reporting on a meeting between the
:01:02. > :01:09.pair before Mr Gove announced his intention to vote to leave the EU.
:01:10. > :01:12.The Sunday Times says the Prime Minister has declared war on the
:01:13. > :01:15.ministers who want to leave the EU, accusing them of making misleading
:01:16. > :01:20.claims that Britain's borders can be sealed by exiting the bloc.
:01:21. > :01:32.The Sunday Telegraph also reports on what it calls "a cabinet divided".
:01:33. > :01:49.Let's begin with how safety frames the EU vote battle. What you of
:01:50. > :01:53.this? Well, this is basically presenting the two sides, Michael
:01:54. > :01:59.Gove who is now freshly liberated to say what he thinks, has said exactly
:02:00. > :02:09.what he thinks. The justice secretary and best buds with David
:02:10. > :02:11.Cameron, perhaps not any more. Politically and personally painful
:02:12. > :02:29.for David Cameron. It is interesting the way he frames this, with the EU
:02:30. > :02:33.being a security crisis. It is very understanding and sympathetic that
:02:34. > :02:38.he has framed the migrant crisis in the way of razor wires and something
:02:39. > :02:44.we should be scared off, but it is fundamentally what the EU campaign
:02:45. > :02:50.is about which is massive fear of migration, as opposed to all these
:02:51. > :02:53.things they are claiming. You have managed to read into this that it is
:02:54. > :02:57.believe people who are running on fear, when it is the remaining
:02:58. > :03:03.people of David Cameron who are saying that leaving is a threat to
:03:04. > :03:07.economic and national security. I am not in either of those camps as you
:03:08. > :03:11.know, I do not take my cue from Cameron, but what I am saying to you
:03:12. > :03:18.is that the Conservative Party have framed this referendum debate very
:03:19. > :03:27.much in terms of a migration crisis. We can agree on that. I say this is
:03:28. > :03:30.a Eurosceptic, but I think this will probably be framed largely around
:03:31. > :03:34.the issue of immigration. Her country has a right to control its
:03:35. > :03:40.borders, that deal has not given us that right, but just a four-year
:03:41. > :03:44.break of people being able to gain access to in work benefits. Having
:03:45. > :03:50.said all of that, I would rather we debated free-trade or sovereignty,
:03:51. > :03:55.and our role in the world. What is it you are scared of? Is it that 500
:03:56. > :04:00.million Europeans will swamp written because we can't control our own
:04:01. > :04:05.borders? What is this session? For me it is not a question of fear, it
:04:06. > :04:12.comes down to the question of pressure. You think that is an
:04:13. > :04:22.issue? Because? For pragmatic reasons. There is pressure being
:04:23. > :04:29.placed on social security and jobs. You can only tax-and-spend for so
:04:30. > :04:38.long before you wreck your economy. But they bring in more than a tack.
:04:39. > :04:42.They are net gain. At what point is it become that our services, housing
:04:43. > :04:50.and schools, cannot take this number of people? Again, I do not want to
:04:51. > :04:54.talk about migration to much. It is philosophical as well as practical.
:04:55. > :04:57.A country is not an independent nation unless it controls its
:04:58. > :05:01.borders. Is that in the end what swung it for Michael Gove?
:05:02. > :05:09.Definitely, the intellectual question. For him, as he said in his
:05:10. > :05:13.piece that most of the papers are carrying, it comes down to Britain
:05:14. > :05:16.not controlling enough of the stuff, which a democratic country with a
:05:17. > :05:19.sovereign parliament should be controlling. Should Britain be
:05:20. > :05:26.surprised by that? I was talking to Margaret Beckett, who back 40 years
:05:27. > :05:32.ago when she was Margaret Jackson, I think, she was a junior minister in
:05:33. > :05:36.the Wilson government and she campaigned to get out of the EU,
:05:37. > :05:41.which we had only been in for two years. I said, what about people who
:05:42. > :05:46.say we have lost all our sovereignty, and having lost control
:05:47. > :05:51.over things. She said, we had that argument in 1985. People say it was
:05:52. > :05:54.all done surreptitious li, but I can remember talking endlessly about
:05:55. > :05:59.sovereignty, and saying that we have to preserve it. People knew the deal
:06:00. > :06:05.and they bought it and voted to stay in. I have accepted now that that is
:06:06. > :06:09.how it is. I think the way you explain how the left have changed
:06:10. > :06:13.their views on Europe is because the left, and I don't mean this is a
:06:14. > :06:23.criticism, they tend to be instrumentalist. They don't really
:06:24. > :06:30.mind what the process is for making social change, as long as they get.
:06:31. > :06:33.In the 1980s, the left calculated that if we infiltrate Europe we can
:06:34. > :06:38.turn it into a more social democratic thing, a social market
:06:39. > :06:41.thing. So now they think, we can't get socialism through the ballot box
:06:42. > :06:47.in this country, so instead we will use the EU to impose it on Britain
:06:48. > :06:52.instead. I love all those logical leaps you have made in that
:06:53. > :06:58.sentence. No wonder Michael Gove is keen to get us out and it is implied
:06:59. > :07:05.by the Mail on Sunday that perhaps Horace Johnson is as well. What do
:07:06. > :07:14.you make of this front-page -- Boris Johnson. This has added the tension
:07:15. > :07:20.and drama that was absent in this very dry debate. Yes, Boris and
:07:21. > :07:25.Michael Gove have had this epic dinner where they have been
:07:26. > :07:42.discussing what to do. So epic they had to send out for fresh shirts. I
:07:43. > :07:52.don't know how that is an indication of a thickness, that you have to
:07:53. > :07:56.change your shirt, but I think Boris might be trying to figure out what
:07:57. > :08:05.is politically advantageous for him. I don't know that it is coming
:08:06. > :08:10.from... How close do you think he is to telling us what he is going to
:08:11. > :08:13.do? Robert Peston, the scruffiest man in journalism, has said on
:08:14. > :08:19.Twitter that he believes Boris is very close to backing the leave
:08:20. > :08:24.campaign. I hope he does do that, because if you think about it, the
:08:25. > :08:31.problem the leave campaign will have is that it is dominated by
:08:32. > :08:40.also-rans. In terms of personality right now, it is Nigel Farage, those
:08:41. > :08:43.are the people who will get attention, and I don't mean
:08:44. > :08:48.intellectually but in terms of public awareness and perception. It
:08:49. > :08:54.will be seen as the fringes. Boris Johnson gives it the backing of a
:08:55. > :09:03.former Merit London he gives it legitimacy. Is the issue that it
:09:04. > :09:08.will potentially be seen through the soap opera of Conservative politics?
:09:09. > :09:14.We have a photograph of the six ministers who have said they will
:09:15. > :09:22.defy David Cameron and vote to leave. Is it a problem for this
:09:23. > :09:30.campaign that that is the prison in which it is being presented?
:09:31. > :09:32.Definitely a problem. I don't blame the front pages in the papers to
:09:33. > :09:36.doing this, because obviously that is where the drama and tension is.
:09:37. > :09:42.You can understand why they would hone in on that. But it is a
:09:43. > :09:51.problem, because it is not about the Conservatives, but it has become a
:09:52. > :09:55.very Conservative debate. We are not actually hearing a progressive
:09:56. > :10:00.argument for staying, or even one for leaving. All of that is
:10:01. > :10:03.completely absent. We are at a 10% right-wing spectrum of the debate,
:10:04. > :10:11.and that is very frustrating. And also very boring. I believe that is
:10:12. > :10:15.a fair criticism, and from it is about sovereignty and trade with
:10:16. > :10:17.Africa, about trade barriers that Europe throws up against developing
:10:18. > :10:25.nations, making it difficult for them to grow. Some people are on the
:10:26. > :10:31.right of the Labour Party but have also joined the campaign. The big
:10:32. > :10:34.difference between now and 75 is it will be on one side largely
:10:35. > :10:41.right-wing personalities for leave, and on the other side it will be
:10:42. > :10:47.dominated by labour. Until we get a senior Labour figure it will look
:10:48. > :10:52.like that. Let's talk about the most senior figure, the PM. The Observer
:10:53. > :10:58.has a very impassioned photograph of David Cameron. Not someone it is
:10:59. > :11:02.often very sympathetic towards. But they have taken the line that
:11:03. > :11:08.Downing Street say. A very prime ministerial photograph of David
:11:09. > :11:11.Cameron, very determined and in mid- flow, not looking exhausted as he
:11:12. > :11:21.did on some of the papers. He has said the choices in your hand, cans.
:11:22. > :11:25.How do you think he is coming out of this? The perception was that he was
:11:26. > :11:28.reluctantly pushed into this. He said he did not want a referendum
:11:29. > :11:33.for a long time but then he ended up having to negotiate this. He didn't
:11:34. > :11:37.get what he initially wanted, he has to sell this package, he knows his
:11:38. > :11:43.leadership may be on the line. Do you feel sympathy for him? I think
:11:44. > :11:49.he is handling it very well. I think this will be the legacy that he
:11:50. > :11:55.will... He wants to be able to say when it comes to write his
:11:56. > :12:00.autobiography, I settled Scotland, and I settled Europe. David Cameron
:12:01. > :12:04.is a Europhile. He has been uncomfortable in the last few years
:12:05. > :12:08.because he has been forced by his backbenchers to pretend to be a
:12:09. > :12:11.Eurosceptic. But what he always wanted to do was to make this case
:12:12. > :12:16.for Europe, pretending he had reformed it and Britain's
:12:17. > :12:20.relationship with it, and win and put it aside. To be the great
:12:21. > :12:25.unifying PM he was wanted to be. From this point on in this campaign
:12:26. > :12:29.we will now see him into comfort zone. We haven't got a huge amount
:12:30. > :12:41.of time left let's move on to the Sunday express. -- Express. Another
:12:42. > :12:51.photo story here on the front page, a very different time to what we
:12:52. > :12:56.have been talking about. Paul Daniels. Yes, he has an incurable
:12:57. > :13:03.brain tumour, so obviously devastating for him and everyone who
:13:04. > :13:08.has enjoyed him over the years. Very brave to come out and go public with
:13:09. > :13:15.this. I think it must be a very difficult decision for anyone, but
:13:16. > :13:18.in particular when you are in the public eye and there is so much more
:13:19. > :13:26.significance and impact. Quite a bold decision. I remember seeing an
:13:27. > :13:30.interview with Timothy west talking about his wife with Alzheimer's. He
:13:31. > :13:34.was asked why he decided to talk about it, and he said it would
:13:35. > :13:38.almost seem fraudulent not to talk about it. He said people will feel
:13:39. > :13:43.hurt if we don't talk to them about it, so I imagine that might be why
:13:44. > :13:51.they have made this decision. I suspect we will hear more from them
:13:52. > :13:56.because he was a love -- loved figure. I'm sure we will see you
:13:57. > :14:00.more through the course of this campaign. That is it from me this
:14:01. > :14:02.evening. Up next, The Film Review.