:00:00. > :00:20.Hello, and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:21. > :00:21.With me are Kate Devlin, political correspondent
:00:22. > :00:27.at the Herald, and Bronwyn Curtis, from the Society of Business
:00:28. > :00:34.The European referendum dominates the Sunday papers.
:00:35. > :00:36.The Observer leads with a quote from David Cameron -
:00:37. > :00:41.He says he believes Britain will be safer and stronger in the EU.
:00:42. > :00:43.The Independent on Sunday says Mr Cameron is playing on voters'
:00:44. > :00:46.fears by putting safety at the centre of the battle.
:00:47. > :00:49.The Sunday Express says the EU is stuck in the past,
:00:50. > :00:52.and that Michael Gove's withering attack on Brussels has got the Out
:00:53. > :00:57.The Mail on Sunday says Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are engaged
:00:58. > :01:00.in a secret plot, reporting on a meeting between the pair before
:01:01. > :01:03.Mr Gove announced his intention to vote to leave the EU.
:01:04. > :01:06.The Sunday Times says the Prime Minister has declared war
:01:07. > :01:09.on the ministers who want to leave the EU, accusing them of making
:01:10. > :01:11.misleading claims that Britain's borders can be sealed
:01:12. > :01:19.The Sunday Telegraph also reports on what it calls
:01:20. > :01:36.The independent, Cameron Clays on fears leaving as a threat to
:01:37. > :01:42.security -- plays on fears. What do you make of that? The Corre David
:01:43. > :01:48.Cameron's argument is that you are safer, your jobs are safe, your
:01:49. > :01:54.national security is better. Yes, safer on two different fronts.
:01:55. > :01:56.National is it economy. We will hear an awful lot of these arguments
:01:57. > :02:03.hammered home in the next three months. It is interesting that, as
:02:04. > :02:06.you say, the newspapers are dominated by the European Union
:02:07. > :02:10.today. But they are all doing it in slightly different ways. That gives
:02:11. > :02:14.us an overview about the issues and personalities that will be involved.
:02:15. > :02:21.Security will be one of the top ones. I think what it shows is the
:02:22. > :02:25.feeling in Downing Street that what they need to do is point out the
:02:26. > :02:29.problems, point out the difficulties, of leaving,
:02:30. > :02:32.relentlessly, for the next couple of months. This has led to accusations
:02:33. > :02:37.of project fear. But Downing Street would say that that help them very
:02:38. > :02:42.much during the Scottish election, Scottish referendum. Yes, because
:02:43. > :02:48.you are saying that they have already used this metaphor, it is a
:02:49. > :02:53.leap in the dark, jump into the unknown, similar to Scotland. Very
:02:54. > :02:58.similar. But the problem is the opposition are saying the opposite.
:02:59. > :03:02.In Scotland you had project fear versus project optimism. This time
:03:03. > :03:08.you have to set a project fear effectively fighting each other.
:03:09. > :03:13.Although Douglas Carswell would say that they are the optimistic side of
:03:14. > :03:18.the Out campaign! But they have the point that out, which shows there is
:03:19. > :03:26.this real battle for both point out the downsides, and it will be a
:03:27. > :03:32.battle of which fear works. Who scares you most? George Galloway,
:03:33. > :03:40.probably! Really interesting, that front page of the Independent says
:03:41. > :03:44.it all. We need Europe, is really what Cameron is seeing. The other
:03:45. > :03:48.side is saying, we do not need Europe. I am an economist, economic
:03:49. > :03:56.arguments for me are compelling to stay in Europe. But take the emotion
:03:57. > :04:00.out of it. There was an interesting article in the Telegraph, rather
:04:01. > :04:04.than the Independent, buried in the Telegraph, by Michael Fallon, who is
:04:05. > :04:07.something of a Eurosceptic, but he says that this is not the time to
:04:08. > :04:15.leave the Western alliance, because we have Rush on the doorstep, we
:04:16. > :04:19.have Syria, problems like that -- Russia on the doorstep. But he has
:04:20. > :04:24.long-term business credentials, he straddles both of those points.
:04:25. > :04:28.Exactly. One of the most interesting things from me when I looked across
:04:29. > :04:34.all the papers, and a lot of them the first five pages are devoted to,
:04:35. > :04:42.it is a photograph opportunity. This is the cult of the personalities. We
:04:43. > :04:48.have got the Ins, the Outs, and it seems to be trivialised. I want to
:04:49. > :04:54.live on the Sun the other papers as well, but is your sense as well that
:04:55. > :05:01.many people might listen to business people -- I want to move onto some
:05:02. > :05:07.of other papers. Do you think some people tend to roll your view --
:05:08. > :05:24.follow your view that it is better to be In than out for business?
:05:25. > :05:33.There is a headline somewhere about businesses heeling the EU deal
:05:34. > :05:37.safety net. The mail on Sunday has a great bit of photojournalism. I take
:05:38. > :05:52.your point about this, but it is interesting, the
:05:53. > :05:57.photographer has done a very good job of making what is possibly just
:05:58. > :06:03.a completely innocent meeting looked rather shifty. There are some great
:06:04. > :06:15.photographs inside of Michael Gove coming out beaming as he reads Boris
:06:16. > :06:20.Johnson's house -- leaves. The issue now is, what is Boris going to do?
:06:21. > :06:28.This is whatever body wants to know. Michael Gove disappointed David
:06:29. > :06:34.Cameron becoming a gesture day as in favour of the Out sayyid. He gives
:06:35. > :06:41.an intellectual heft to the Out sage which its opponents could have done
:06:42. > :06:44.without. But Boris Johnson's popularist stream could convince
:06:45. > :06:47.people across the country that following Henman is the right thing
:06:48. > :06:52.to do. The is interesting to see what he will do. I get the
:06:53. > :06:57.impression you're slightly sceptical of the party politics. There might
:06:58. > :07:07.be people who believe that he is making a decision on what is good
:07:08. > :07:12.for Boris rather than the country. Perhaps I am very cynical, but are
:07:13. > :07:25.stars want to be Prime Minister one-day and I think he is thinking
:07:26. > :07:28.about whether it is better to tie himself in with David Cameron ought
:07:29. > :07:35.to be separate, the way that he ran London. Boris will think about
:07:36. > :07:43.Boris. But politicians always think about their own... That is
:07:44. > :07:46.interesting, because many people, many people in Scotland like him and
:07:47. > :07:51.think that he is colourful and different from other politicians, if
:07:52. > :07:54.you seem to be making calculations about himself rather than the
:07:55. > :07:59.country, that will not go down very well. Except for the people who he
:08:00. > :08:03.really taps into, the people who are starting to feel that David Cameron
:08:04. > :08:16.has let them down, Prosser believing betrayed them with the steel --
:08:17. > :08:23.possibly. Michael Gove's statement yesterday was incredibly Prime
:08:24. > :08:27.Minister real. He was almost saying, Britain, we are better than this. I
:08:28. > :08:31.would not suggest that Boris Johnson is the only one thinking about his
:08:32. > :08:39.future career. It was intellectually a very coherent argument. He is a
:08:40. > :08:43.very bright guy. Yes, of course. We will see a lot of these arguments.
:08:44. > :08:47.At the moment they have just been laying out their positions and will
:08:48. > :09:02.be interesting to see what Boris, when he does decide what he says,
:09:03. > :09:09.what he will say. They really did a good job on this story! The Sunday
:09:10. > :09:14.Telegraph, a Cabinet divided. This will be the story of the next few
:09:15. > :09:17.months, and perhaps the next few months. Heeling those wins will be
:09:18. > :09:23.difficult, because if you believe this is about the security of the
:09:24. > :09:28.country and you have five and a half members of the Cabinet saying
:09:29. > :09:36.something different, I be not in favour of the security of our
:09:37. > :09:41.country? -- are they? That is quite an important relegation you're
:09:42. > :09:44.making against your colleagues. I agree with you. The Tories have been
:09:45. > :09:48.keen to suggest that everything will be fine and we're not back in the
:09:49. > :09:54.1990s, that the party will not tear itself apart over Europe. The
:09:55. > :09:57.general public, having Cabinet ministers effectively arguing
:09:58. > :10:02.against the Prime Minister, at very least, looks as if it a divided
:10:03. > :10:12.party. But then you add into that the seriousness of these issues, and
:10:13. > :10:17.it is not just that the In can do not take national security seriously
:10:18. > :10:23.as perhaps they do, but the Out camp are saying that David Cameron is not
:10:24. > :10:31.correct in his assessment of what he has got from Europe. We are getting
:10:32. > :10:36.very, very close to both sides accusing each other, either of their
:10:37. > :10:44.responsibility or flying. This is day two. The stakes have become
:10:45. > :10:48.incredibly high. You mentioned George Galloway earlier, he is in
:10:49. > :10:53.the Out camp was Nigel Farage. That is one of the least likely
:10:54. > :10:57.combinations you would think in politics, but they both have very
:10:58. > :11:03.strong feelings about being out of the EU. That is right, whether that
:11:04. > :11:10.will help their Out campaign I not sure. Back in 1975 there was Enoch
:11:11. > :11:13.Powell and Tony Benn on the scene said. So you're going to have these
:11:14. > :11:22.alliances of people who you would never expect to get together. But if
:11:23. > :11:25.I am sitting on the other side is a normal person looking at a divided
:11:26. > :11:29.Cabinet, and I suspect that the Labour Party and other parties are
:11:30. > :11:38.just as divided, although Labour has come out in terms of staying in, is
:11:39. > :11:41.that they think, how can I make a decision of the politicians cannot
:11:42. > :11:51.get together and agree? We'll let them together a lead and we have not
:11:52. > :11:56.got it on this. That is all very worrying. Weight back that is why we
:11:57. > :12:07.have referenda, because politicians do not know which way the people are
:12:08. > :12:12.going. The Sunday Times, Russian doping chief wanted to tell all. The
:12:13. > :12:17.former head of Russia's anti-drug agency of poached journalists and
:12:18. > :12:28.said that he wanted to write a book about doping and has since died --
:12:29. > :12:35.approached journalist air. This will deepen suspicions about his death. I
:12:36. > :12:40.think it is a very interesting story and a very difficult time for world
:12:41. > :12:55.athletics. I wanted to go onto my favourite story of the day. Walkers
:12:56. > :12:58.hit by the curse of their smombie. It is the people who walk in the
:12:59. > :13:06.youth while they are texturing on their mobile phone. It is really
:13:07. > :13:13.annoying! Win we all do it to some extent, even if we do not like other
:13:14. > :13:21.people doing it. And work in Belgium now has got smombie lanes! There is
:13:22. > :13:24.a statue at Salisbury Cathedral that has been moved because people on
:13:25. > :13:31.their mobile phones kept running into it. But the whole issue, we
:13:32. > :13:40.joke, but people walk across roads doing it and they get killed. I
:13:41. > :13:43.actually saw a lady managing to Bishop is cheer, be on her mobile
:13:44. > :13:54.phone and smoke at the same time -- push uppish chair. The thing that
:13:55. > :13:59.surprises me is that we did not have a name for it before. Smartphones on
:14:00. > :14:04.bees, that is all I will call them from now on. I will see people
:14:05. > :14:09.coming towards me and think, avoid the smombie. Weight market did cheer
:14:10. > :14:16.us up on a rather heavy deal politics.
:14:17. > :14:20.We take a look at the front pages every evening at 10:30pm and
:14:21. > :14:28.11:30pm. Before we go, the Prime Minister has
:14:29. > :14:32.been speaking to Andrew Marr this