21/02/2016

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:00:00. > :00:11.In a few minutes, we'll be taking a look at tomorrow's

:00:12. > :00:13.papers with our guests James Cusick, a Political Correspondent

:00:14. > :00:15.for the Independent and the broadcaster,

:00:16. > :00:21.Many of the front pages are already in.

:00:22. > :00:25.The FT is leading with the story of the day, but taking a different

:00:26. > :00:28.tact to most - leading with the line - Big business backs Cameron's push

:00:29. > :00:34.The Metro's headline says Boris backs Brexit, while bookies slash

:00:35. > :00:41.The Express is also highlighting the London Mayor's claim

:00:42. > :00:45.The mayor is also pictured on tomorrow's front page

:00:46. > :00:50.The Guardian runs with the claim from Mr Johnson that his decision

:00:51. > :00:54.to vote to leave the EU isn't fuelled by his political ambition.

:00:55. > :00:57.The Times shows Mr Johnson surrounded by the media

:00:58. > :01:02.on his London doorstep during his statement this afternoon.

:01:03. > :01:05.It also features the public push for a meningitis vaccine to

:01:06. > :01:24.Let's get down to it. Only one story in town, Lynn? Only one story. It is

:01:25. > :01:28.all borders. Some of them you can see Boris Johnson looking perplexed

:01:29. > :01:32.and worried and others, like the Daily Telegraph, he looks

:01:33. > :01:37.presidential. This is a Prime Minister and waiting picture. And it

:01:38. > :01:41.is basically he announced today, although he has been hinting at it

:01:42. > :01:46.apparently yesterday, that he is going to support they get out of

:01:47. > :01:58.Europe campaign. And so Boris Johnson has now become Bo Go from Bo

:01:59. > :02:02.Jo. And this is described as a once-in-a-lifetime chance for

:02:03. > :02:07.change. And another paragraph says all of history shows that they will

:02:08. > :02:13.only listen if he says no. His mind is made up, he apparently dumped

:02:14. > :02:17.David Cameron by text message at 4.40 this afternoon, then stood on

:02:18. > :02:22.his doorstep a few minutes later and announced to the world, a bit

:02:23. > :02:27.discourteous, but basically his mind is made up, we have to get out, but

:02:28. > :02:31.he is saying he is not anti-European, that he loves being

:02:32. > :02:38.European and Europe for culture but what we have is creeping federalism

:02:39. > :02:44.and legal colonisation and that is what he is against. James, he talks

:02:45. > :02:48.about the European Union being an democratic, that seemed to underpin

:02:49. > :02:52.part of his decision that he has reached today?

:02:53. > :02:59.That is one of the kinder words that he used. There is a 2000 word essay

:03:00. > :03:05.inside the Daily Telegraph, in which he goes through everything from

:03:06. > :03:08.expansion, unstoppable legal colonisation, a slow and invisible

:03:09. > :03:12.process, strong stuff for somebody who says he has been struggling to

:03:13. > :03:17.make up his mind on this. He appears to have worked this out quite a

:03:18. > :03:21.while ago. The key point of the Telegraph front page and

:03:22. > :03:27.presentation is how important he is to this project. Without this, what

:03:28. > :03:32.would the front pages look like today? Where is the leader? I know

:03:33. > :03:35.that Michael Gove is out there, a leading intellectual figure inside

:03:36. > :03:39.the Conservative Party, but they were hoping for Boris and they have

:03:40. > :03:44.got him. But the idea that he can merely say this and then somehow go

:03:45. > :03:49.to the sidelines and not bleed, that might happen for a couple of months.

:03:50. > :03:54.But near the end, in the middle of June, when it gets a bit tight? He

:03:55. > :03:57.says he is not going to get out there and campaign with George

:03:58. > :04:02.Galloway and Nigel Farage. Well, certainly not going to do that. He

:04:03. > :04:10.quotes Churchill as saying that Churchill was interested in Europe

:04:11. > :04:15.and associated with it, but not absorbed. That is what he's saying

:04:16. > :04:21.he wants to be, to still have some kind of influence in but not be in

:04:22. > :04:25.it. Let's go to the front page of the Guardian. Johnson comes out for

:04:26. > :04:31.Brexit. Is this a win- win for him, in the sense that if Britain decides

:04:32. > :04:35.to come out in June, he will have been on the right side of history,

:04:36. > :04:41.David Cameron actually has to step down, therefore he is in pole

:04:42. > :04:45.position? He could run for the leadership. If Britain decides not

:04:46. > :04:48.to leave the European Union, he has assured of support with

:04:49. > :04:54.backbenchers? I think what you are describing is a political

:04:55. > :04:59.calculation. Sounds about right! And he has done. He will have worked out

:05:00. > :05:03.the position. In all political decisions, there is an element of

:05:04. > :05:08.risk. He is putting himself in a position whereby if Britain actually

:05:09. > :05:11.votes to remain in the European Union, I think the Guardian, the

:05:12. > :05:16.Telegraph and most of them, they actually point out fairly strong

:05:17. > :05:19.open division, almost conflict between himself and David Cameron.

:05:20. > :05:24.My problem, and the problem for those people who make themselves

:05:25. > :05:28.prominent in this campaign is, what happens to them? Do we just assume

:05:29. > :05:36.that the Conservative Cabinet still go back the day after and everything

:05:37. > :05:40.is jolly? It will not like that. I am slightly concerned, this is day

:05:41. > :05:45.one of 120 days, or whatever it is. I think it will be very difficult

:05:46. > :05:50.and I think it could get quite a brutal. It already is, he is damning

:05:51. > :05:55.David Cameron with faint praise by saying you did a great job over in

:05:56. > :06:00.Europe, but, actually, in the time that is available to you, but you

:06:01. > :06:04.haven't brought anything back. There is an interesting side panel down

:06:05. > :06:09.the side of the Guardian front page. This is a decent poll. It is

:06:10. > :06:13.basically saying, out of 70 constituency parties that he

:06:14. > :06:17.contacted, only two reported party members in favour of remaining. If

:06:18. > :06:22.you like, it is exactly what you said earlier. He has positioned

:06:23. > :06:26.himself as representing the voice of the Conservative Party at grassroots

:06:27. > :06:30.level. I think that is important. He's made an intellectual decision.

:06:31. > :06:36.I don't doubt for a second that what is in this long, 2000 word article

:06:37. > :06:39.is heartfelt, I don't think it is xenophobic at all, I think he

:06:40. > :06:42.genuinely believes the European project is something that has value,

:06:43. > :06:47.the interesting thing about what he says is that if we leave, it will

:06:48. > :06:50.force the Europeans to change the project and he thinks that is a good

:06:51. > :06:57.thing. Let's go to the Daily Express. Boris, I will get us out of

:06:58. > :07:01.the EU, big boost for the Daily Express crusade. The Daily Express

:07:02. > :07:05.is saying that Boris Johnson has the will power and the strength to

:07:06. > :07:10.influence all of those in the middle that are undecided. He has name

:07:11. > :07:17.recognition, nobody can mess that mop of blonde hair. -- mess. But can

:07:18. > :07:22.he carry it for the ad campaign? According to the Daily Express, who

:07:23. > :07:28.we know have a dog in the fight, they want out, they are saying he is

:07:29. > :07:34.the most popular politician in the country. I was suggesting here that

:07:35. > :07:38.he was not as popular in Scotland as they might think, maybe not the

:07:39. > :07:43.hinterland of the Northwest. I have a feeling you might find, when push

:07:44. > :07:48.comes to shove, he is a bit metropolitan and they haven't all

:07:49. > :07:56.seen Have I Got News For You. The Express decided a long time ago that

:07:57. > :08:00.they want out. Tub thumping Boris, the Guardian had him looking pouting

:08:01. > :08:04.and worried, the worst picture they could find, I am quite looking

:08:05. > :08:08.forward to seeing how many versions of Boris we see on the front pages.

:08:09. > :08:14.James, it will be interesting, if Britain does decide to pull out of

:08:15. > :08:19.the European Union, Boris Johnson, if he ends up becoming Prime

:08:20. > :08:23.Minister, could become Prime Minister of England, Wales and

:08:24. > :08:26.Northern Ireland. The Scots have made it clear, or at least the SNP

:08:27. > :08:31.have made it clear, they are going to push for another referendum if

:08:32. > :08:38.Britain pulls out. I keep coming back to this long essay, maybe I am

:08:39. > :08:44.being far too academic, but... We like brains on this programme! Very

:08:45. > :08:49.small print as well. He says, and this is beautifully downplayed,

:08:50. > :08:53.there would be fresh tensions in the union between England and Scotland.

:08:54. > :08:58.Michael Gove's long explanation about why he was going, it actually

:08:59. > :09:03.didn't mention the constitutional issue. But I think Nicola Sturgeon

:09:04. > :09:09.made it fairly clear that she would campaign heavily for Britain to stay

:09:10. > :09:12.inside. She always has. But there would be a phenomenal window of

:09:13. > :09:17.opportunity for the Scots that you cannot ignore. Johnson does a fresh

:09:18. > :09:30.I would say that is the least of the UK's problems. If the Scots voted to

:09:31. > :09:35.remain, there would have a legitimate grievance. Nicola

:09:36. > :09:40.Sturgeon said today that they would have another referendum. She has

:09:41. > :09:43.said it for a long time. During the Scottish referendum, the issue of

:09:44. > :09:47.European membership was a big deal. It is back on the table. If it was

:09:48. > :09:53.big during the referendum two years ago, it is back on the table. I

:09:54. > :09:58.think there is more on this. It's unfortunate we have 120 days of

:09:59. > :10:04.this. The old Alliance... You are not excited, like the rest of us?

:10:05. > :10:08.Four times longer than an election campaign! I'll be excited in bits.

:10:09. > :10:14.You will be in bits, by the end of it. Let's go to The Financial Times,

:10:15. > :10:19.interesting, big business backs Cameron's push to keep Britain in

:10:20. > :10:24.the EU. Boris is still in the photograph? This is it, the Mayor of

:10:25. > :10:28.London coming out and suggesting, against all of the advice, one

:10:29. > :10:37.suspects, from the city, that this is a bad idea, to push for the EU,

:10:38. > :10:42.is clearly, going to be, in a few months' time, the ex-mayor of

:10:43. > :10:52.London. There is no way he could come out and say leave if he was the

:10:53. > :10:57.Mayor? Under the position of the Conservative mayoral candidate is to

:10:58. > :11:05.do what? Exactly the same. Zac Goldsmith says he wants to go out as

:11:06. > :11:09.well. The interesting thing of this thing is that bosses of half of

:11:10. > :11:16.Britain's biggest companies to sign a latter chilly letter. That means

:11:17. > :11:22.the other half have other views? I think there is an assumption that

:11:23. > :11:29.the City of London arm of the money and the influence, is somehow immune

:11:30. > :11:33.to this. Regardless of what happens, the power and force that London

:11:34. > :11:36.holds will still be there. There is legitimacy in that. There was all

:11:37. > :11:40.sorts of threats about how we need to be part of the euro zone to keep

:11:41. > :11:44.the city going. The city is maybe an international institution that

:11:45. > :11:49.perhaps will not have any short or medium term effect on this. I think

:11:50. > :11:51.a London Mayor, a would-be Mayor, can have those positions fairly

:11:52. > :11:58.legitimately. I don't think it is that important. I am really

:11:59. > :12:01.surprised how muted Britain is to this. I thought they would have

:12:02. > :12:07.started the fight back to stay in, if that is what they wanted. Stuart

:12:08. > :12:13.Rose, of Marks Spencers, previously, is leading the campaign?

:12:14. > :12:18.The front page of The Financial Times, it is surprising it has not

:12:19. > :12:24.left onto other front pages. The Times, I promise, dear viewer, the

:12:25. > :12:29.last reference to Mr Johnson in this particular edition. Boost for other

:12:30. > :12:32.campaigners, and the Prime Minister told of the decision by text minutes

:12:33. > :12:35.before the announcement. This goes to the close friendship that these

:12:36. > :12:39.two men have had for a long time, since university, ruptured? Or

:12:40. > :12:49.rivalry? It depends, I think the capacity of

:12:50. > :12:55.politicians to make up is always going to be there. Or to be

:12:56. > :13:01.political? For instance, I can almost see Boris Johnson's

:13:02. > :13:05.explanation, and is going through his hair, I meant to call him

:13:06. > :13:10.earlier, things got out of hand, something to do with the dog, I just

:13:11. > :13:13.forgot. It is everything it stands for. If he is calling the Prime

:13:14. > :13:21.Minister ten minutes before he makes a critical decision, and, to be

:13:22. > :13:25.honest, in front of the Guardian it shows how important Boris Johnson is

:13:26. > :13:29.to this project. The two politicians whose views mattered, according to a

:13:30. > :13:32.poll, is David Cameron and Boris Johnson. Effectively, they have made

:13:33. > :13:37.enemies of themselves. These men were not friends at school they went

:13:38. > :13:42.to, they were not friends at Oxford. They are not friends now. David

:13:43. > :13:49.Cameron offered him some kind of minor role in a ministerial role, to

:13:50. > :13:53.keep him out of trouble. Boris can read what David Cameron is up to and

:13:54. > :13:57.David Cameron can read what he is up to. The two our rivals. Cameron and

:13:58. > :14:05.Osborne has been the political access. You could end up with Boris

:14:06. > :14:08.and Michael Gove. I don't know, here's a much quieter person, but

:14:09. > :14:15.that might be the next political access. We will stay with The Times,

:14:16. > :14:24.700,000 sign petition for meningitis vaccination on the NHS. Anybody

:14:25. > :14:28.under the age of one, 12 months, can get the meningitis B vaccine. If you

:14:29. > :14:31.are over that, you have to pay for it yourself and there have been a

:14:32. > :14:35.couple of unfortunate examples of babies dying as a result. It's a

:14:36. > :14:40.difficult position for the Department of Health and the Health

:14:41. > :14:44.Secretary. The way meningitis B works is that it works in cycles.

:14:45. > :14:51.Currently, we are at a very low cycle, the lowest, a 10-year low.

:14:52. > :14:56.Not many people getting at? Very few. The child immunisation

:14:57. > :15:01.programme, the meningitis B vaccine was brought in last year. That was

:15:02. > :15:05.seen as a great campaign, two years push to get that included. It was

:15:06. > :15:13.brought in, if you like, the efficiency level of that, the money

:15:14. > :15:16.and where we spend it, what are we getting for it? This campaign shows

:15:17. > :15:22.you how important, if you like, even one death is to the public. I think

:15:23. > :15:26.the campaigners are looking at, initially, the under fives. They

:15:27. > :15:30.would like to see even the two most dangerous parts, and the one, and

:15:31. > :15:33.then from teenager onwards. They would like all children, the

:15:34. > :15:39.Department of Health do not have that money. The joint Council on

:15:40. > :15:44.vaccination did not have the statistics to back it up. It is a

:15:45. > :15:50.huge long-term battle. Every time we see one picture and one death, the

:15:51. > :15:54.public react. It is a brutal disease. Jim wrote about that last

:15:55. > :15:58.week. What this story says to me, who did not write about it last

:15:59. > :16:03.week, is the power of these polls that are out there. It is the

:16:04. > :16:09.easiest thing, a click of your mouse or finger, to sign a poll, they have

:16:10. > :16:18.two thirds of a million signatures. There are all these polls that's

:16:19. > :16:25.700,000 comet has gone up in the headline. These polls are going to

:16:26. > :16:28.be a nightmare for the government going forward. You could get a

:16:29. > :16:33.million people sign up to something. It is a lot of people, it shows

:16:34. > :16:37.public feeling. Even if you were prepared to pay ?1000 at a private

:16:38. > :16:42.clinic, the stocks of the vaccine are just not there. The NHS have

:16:43. > :16:48.long-term plans, obviously they will be first. The Child Immunisation

:16:49. > :16:54.Programme is very important. Worried parents will pay anything. Briefly

:16:55. > :17:09.come onto the final story, the Telegraph. Corgis, what is this

:17:10. > :17:17.about? This is a nib... He That is news in brief, by the way. The

:17:18. > :17:27.Queen, how he has breakfast delivered in Tupperware containers,

:17:28. > :17:31.a bit of plastic, the corgis are eating out of family silver. Named

:17:32. > :17:37.family silver. I can't tell you much more, but it sounds like they are

:17:38. > :17:47.dining better than she is. Living the life of Riley, and we're not

:17:48. > :17:52.talking about... You will be back to talk about more headlines? More

:17:53. > :17:54.Boris! Now it is time for Click.