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:00:00. > :00:16.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

:00:17. > :00:20.With me are Press and Journal's Westminster Correspondent,

:00:21. > :00:32.Lindsay Watling, and broadcaster David Akinsanya.

:00:33. > :00:36.Many thanks for coming in. We can look at some of the front pages in

:00:37. > :00:38.brief. The Sunday Times reports that

:00:39. > :00:41.David Cameron is being warned he may face a leadership challenge

:00:42. > :00:43.even if Britain votes to stay The Independent leads

:00:44. > :00:46.with the government's Investigatory Powers Bill being

:00:47. > :00:48.introduced in the Commons this week. The Observer has an interview with

:00:49. > :00:51.the Europe Minister David Lidington - who says Britain voting to leave

:00:52. > :00:54.the EU would spark a decade The Sunday Express leads

:00:55. > :00:58.with a survey suggesting 25 out of the 28 EU member states feel

:00:59. > :01:01.negatively about the future And sticking with the EU theme,

:01:02. > :01:09.the Mail reports on divisions within the Conservative party -

:01:10. > :01:11.with reports of the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond clashing

:01:12. > :01:27.with a long standing Tory Lots of EU as you would imagine. It

:01:28. > :01:32.is a big story because of the new lines which are emerging from

:01:33. > :01:37.Shanghai and elsewhere. Let's start with the Observer. Brexit would

:01:38. > :01:41.spark decade of economic limbo. That is not what the Chi 20 have been

:01:42. > :01:50.saying. This is the Europe minister. This is from David living -- David

:01:51. > :01:56.living to the Europe minister. He has had a big role in getting the

:01:57. > :02:01.deal that is on the table. It is another EU story, another

:02:02. > :02:06.intervention from a Tory saying there could be a decade of economic

:02:07. > :02:14.uncertainty with disastrous consequences if written votes to

:02:15. > :02:19.leave the EU. He points to trade deals, suggesting the process of

:02:20. > :02:26.renegotiating trade deals with countries would take almost a decade

:02:27. > :02:30.if we were to leave the EU. David, you are a broadcaster and you

:02:31. > :02:35.probably hear from listeners and viewers probably more than newspaper

:02:36. > :02:40.correspondents do. Do people understand the economic implication

:02:41. > :02:43.of the EU? I don't think they do. Because you have this battle going

:02:44. > :02:48.on in the Tory party I think people are left very confused. We have a

:02:49. > :02:54.long way to go before the referendum in terms of hours of broadcasting,

:02:55. > :03:01.and I think, just look at The Papers now. Every single paper. Depending

:03:02. > :03:05.on which paper you read depends on what they have said. A financial

:03:06. > :03:11.expert has said there pitfalls that we pull out, pitfalls if we stay in

:03:12. > :03:16.and they present a balanced argument. That you cannot summarise

:03:17. > :03:21.those in easy sound bites. You said before we came now you are better

:03:22. > :03:24.off listening to economic experts. The problem is the politicians

:03:25. > :03:28.position themselves for their own futures or try and have a go at

:03:29. > :03:34.someone else and I think that is the problem. The real issues about

:03:35. > :03:37.immigration or paperwork increasing woody creasing of the come out of

:03:38. > :03:43.Europe, are the real issues. They want to know how it will affect

:03:44. > :03:47.them. The Europe minister is demanding clarity from the outcome,

:03:48. > :03:52.that is something they need to come up with? Yes, they need to say what

:03:53. > :03:56.the landscape will look like if we vote to leave the EU and there is a

:03:57. > :04:01.lot of talk about being a leap into the unknown. David Cameron and draws

:04:02. > :04:09.Osborne will be looking at what they have to do with the referendum does

:04:10. > :04:12.not go their way -- George Osborne. They will not be making a big deal

:04:13. > :04:16.out of it because they want a campaign to keep Britain in the EU

:04:17. > :04:23.said they will keep this under wraps. What this Observer front page

:04:24. > :04:29.gives some insight to the divisions within a political party. Shall we

:04:30. > :04:33.move on to the Mail on Sunday? They are describing it as a meltdown. It

:04:34. > :04:39.is a particular meltdown with the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond

:04:40. > :04:43.involved. This is the paper talking about Philip Hammond apparently

:04:44. > :04:48.using some fairly unsavoury language in relation to Bill Cash for

:04:49. > :04:52.publishing what is supposed to be a secret Brussels legal report on the

:04:53. > :04:57.EU deal negotiated by David Cameron so he is taking issue with that.

:04:58. > :05:01.This story says he specifically told Sir Bill it was not to be published

:05:02. > :05:04.but when he turned up to give evidence before the EU scrutiny

:05:05. > :05:12.committee people had copies of it and it later went on a website. He

:05:13. > :05:14.has been under pressure anyway because he is a well-known

:05:15. > :05:17.Eurosceptic but he has come out in favour of the campaign. He said he

:05:18. > :05:21.will be loyal to David Cameron so I guess he has been under pressure

:05:22. > :05:29.from David Cameron and perhaps this has pushed him too far. I like the

:05:30. > :05:34.idea of blue on blue violence! They really are tearing themselves apart.

:05:35. > :05:38.Isn't that a good thing? To be passionate about it? You say blue on

:05:39. > :05:44.blue violence, this is huge disagreements but this is happening

:05:45. > :05:48.all over the country? I did know. I don't hear people in the street

:05:49. > :05:52.getting angry and agitated about it. It looks like people finding their

:05:53. > :05:58.own position and trying to make people agree with them. It feels

:05:59. > :06:02.like scaremongering. You have both sides saying it is all doom and

:06:03. > :06:08.gloom if we leave and people really want to know how will affect them

:06:09. > :06:12.and their issues like immigration. You say scaremongering. I think it's

:06:13. > :06:18.too much goes on, there is a risk of a really low turnout in the EU

:06:19. > :06:21.referendum. People thinking this has nothing to do with my life on a

:06:22. > :06:28.day-to-day basis, I will not brother voting.

:06:29. > :06:36.The newspapers have a responsibility to make it engaging but do it

:06:37. > :06:39.properly. People get bored of it. With the Scottish referendum people

:06:40. > :06:45.were confused. On all sides people were full of passion. I think with

:06:46. > :06:49.the Scottish referendum they could see how it related to their life

:06:50. > :06:54.more directly. I think it is harder with the EU because it is a layer of

:06:55. > :07:00.bureaucracy of both national governance. The Sunday Times reports

:07:01. > :07:03.on the danger of politicians being passionate about the EU referendum

:07:04. > :07:12.when they are all in the same political party. Tory threat to oust

:07:13. > :07:18.PM after EU vote, win or lose. It has been a tough week for Cameron.

:07:19. > :07:22.Lots of senior figures in his party, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove coming

:07:23. > :07:26.out and casting doubt on the legitimacy of the deal and whether

:07:27. > :07:31.it would be legally binding. He has had a tough week. Now we read he has

:07:32. > :07:35.been warned he will face a leadership challenge even if he wins

:07:36. > :07:38.the EU referendum. There is a comment from an unnamed senior

:07:39. > :07:42.backbencher which says his position will be untenable even if he wins

:07:43. > :07:46.the referendum, if he carries on like this, there will be no problem

:07:47. > :07:50.in getting 50 names, which is what they need for a vote of

:07:51. > :07:58.no-confidence. Is that because there will be so much dissatisfaction from

:07:59. > :08:04.people in his own party? Europe will always have a lot of dissatisfaction

:08:05. > :08:09.within the party. It is a difficult word to say! That is why I see more

:08:10. > :08:13.disarray within that party than the other parties. It appears so. We

:08:14. > :08:16.have always known there are some real right-wing Tories who do not

:08:17. > :08:19.want to be in Europe and David Cameron has been talking for years

:08:20. > :08:25.about appeasing them at keeping them quiet. He says he is not a big fan

:08:26. > :08:31.of the European Union but he is a big fan of Britain staying in. He

:08:32. > :08:36.says he has nothing to gain from it. It is dangerous because at the end

:08:37. > :08:39.of all of this, however it pans out, they have to come back and

:08:40. > :08:43.reassemble and try and move on. They are giving Labour run for their

:08:44. > :08:48.money this week and I think we will see more of that as the referendum

:08:49. > :08:53.gets closer. You see that in America with presidential elections. We are

:08:54. > :08:56.seeing it now with two front runners for their party, whether it is the

:08:57. > :09:00.Democrats for the Republicans, having a go at each other and

:09:01. > :09:05.putting each other down but they seem to be able to repair it and the

:09:06. > :09:10.relationship carries on. You would hope so. The whole point of

:09:11. > :09:15.democracy is people having different opinions and challenging each other

:09:16. > :09:20.and moving on afterwards. In America you are voting for the president.

:09:21. > :09:24.And the political party they represent that you do focus more on

:09:25. > :09:29.the president than the characters they represent. We will stick with

:09:30. > :09:34.the Sunday Times. This does get people debating up and down the

:09:35. > :09:53.country, childless. They have had warnings. -- chuggers. They have

:09:54. > :10:01.been debating this. Shall be explained what chuggers are? Charity

:10:02. > :10:07.muggers. I wish they had buckets. If they have buckets I am happy, it is

:10:08. > :10:11.the direct debit details. I do street consultations for community

:10:12. > :10:14.groups and these chuggers have really spoiled your work because if

:10:15. > :10:21.they see you with a clipboard they think you are going to ask them for

:10:22. > :10:24.a direct debit. In some places they have been very aggressive. You can

:10:25. > :10:28.take a route to avoid them by going behind but they are spread across

:10:29. > :10:32.the pavement. There is a real danger for charities in terms of

:10:33. > :10:35.fundraising longer-term because so much damage is being done to

:10:36. > :10:39.charities. When you give money, you think this is great, I am doing

:10:40. > :10:44.something good. But then you hear these tactics are going on. There

:10:45. > :10:48.was one clear pensioner but you hear horror stories of cold calling when

:10:49. > :10:58.your information is passed on and shared, your data. So chuggers, they

:10:59. > :11:02.have been banned from some Boris? Some councils have banned them. It

:11:03. > :11:07.is this whole idea that once you give your details, someone said you

:11:08. > :11:12.can buy your details. They sell it to other charities. When you have so

:11:13. > :11:17.many cutbacks going on and charities having to do so much, they are

:11:18. > :11:20.desperate for money. I work with charities and I sit on committees. I

:11:21. > :11:24.do not give cash any more because what I have seen from the inside, a

:11:25. > :11:30.lot of charities in very swanky offices not far from here, with

:11:31. > :11:35.their headquarters and CEOs who are earning ?120,000 and that is why

:11:36. > :11:41.people do not want to give money. But if you stop giving money then

:11:42. > :11:45.where does the money come from? I give my time. I am not criticising

:11:46. > :11:51.you but if everybody stops, it is a hard line to walk, I suspect. Shall

:11:52. > :11:57.we talk about snoopers? You have had a chance to read the inside pages

:11:58. > :12:03.which have come through. Basically there is a bill which is being put

:12:04. > :12:08.forward by Theresa May and this is number two. The suggestion in the

:12:09. > :12:12.story is there will be a suggestion to bounce MPs into backing it head

:12:13. > :12:19.of the EU referendum. The suggestion is they are trying to rush it

:12:20. > :12:24.through. Essentially, the aim of the bill is to force Internet service

:12:25. > :12:31.providers and mobile phone companies to maintain records of each user's

:12:32. > :12:36.browser history. It gives spy agencies sweeping powers. To go back

:12:37. > :12:45.over stuff. It has been controversial and the suggestion is

:12:46. > :12:50.they are trying to sweep it through. Presumably Theresa May has been

:12:51. > :12:55.watching the Apple thing. I've learned how to cure my phone is. I

:12:56. > :12:58.am old and I'm scared to do anything online because I am worried about

:12:59. > :13:05.people getting hold of my details, the debit cards and stuff. We are

:13:06. > :13:12.not being snooped on 24/7, every e-mail we send? It is about having

:13:13. > :13:16.access to it when it is asked for. We are not being spied on around the

:13:17. > :13:21.clock but still a lot of liberty groups are very unhappy about it.

:13:22. > :13:30.Shall we talk about Adele? How much would you pay to see heroin concept?

:13:31. > :13:39.24 ground. I had the money, I would. Not many people have that money to

:13:40. > :13:48.waste on a ticket. -- the money to see her in concert. She has tried in

:13:49. > :13:57.the past to stop those who sell on resale tickets. I don't think she

:13:58. > :14:01.would like this. She has deliberately gone out to try and

:14:02. > :14:06.stop this. There are people who live in London, I know there is a lot of

:14:07. > :14:10.poverty but they have so much money that if they fancy going and they

:14:11. > :14:16.have 24 ground to pay, they will do it. Your average fan does not have

:14:17. > :14:20.24 ground. Your average fan does not have access to the Internet to get

:14:21. > :14:27.online quick enough to get one of the tickets. That is the problem.

:14:28. > :14:34.Has this ticket been sold legally? It is through one of the four main

:14:35. > :14:39.ticket selling websites. There are websites where you can resell a

:14:40. > :14:45.ticket and usually says you cannot resell it but you can. It is

:14:46. > :14:53.capitalism. There you go. If I had the money I would be there in the

:14:54. > :14:59.front row. I think she is great. She won four Brit awards last week.

:15:00. > :15:02.Worth every penny. She is the lady of the moment. You are big fan, I

:15:03. > :15:04.can tell! That's it for The Papers

:15:05. > :15:06.for this hour. Thank you Lindsay Watling

:15:07. > :15:08.and David Akinsanya, you'll both be back at 11.30pm

:15:09. > :15:19.for another look at the stories We will have more from the G20.

:15:20. > :15:29.Coming up next, Reporters.