:00:00. > :00:00.silencers her critics by safely riding clear. Football and rugby and
:00:00. > :00:17.more coming up in 15 minutes, after the papers.
:00:18. > :00:21.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers
:00:22. > :00:27.With me are Susie Boniface, columnist at the Mirror and
:00:28. > :00:34.The Telegraph leads on Iain Duncan Smith's resignation,
:00:35. > :00:37.saying his decision risks throwing the Government into disarray.
:00:38. > :00:41.The Times says Mr Duncan Smith chose to resign despite a U-turn by
:00:42. > :00:44.George Osborne over the cuts which were kicked into 'the long grass'.
:00:45. > :00:46.The FT says Mr Duncan Smith has inflicted serious damage
:00:47. > :00:54.The Independent has an image of the arrests in Brussels.
:00:55. > :00:56.Its main story is a warning from Wales' First Minister that
:00:57. > :00:59.an English vote to leave the EU would prompt a constitutional crisis
:01:00. > :01:05.'Got him', is the headline on the Mirror, next to
:01:06. > :01:08.And the Express leads on the deal between Turkey
:01:09. > :01:12.and the EU to try to curb the flow of migrants into Europe.
:01:13. > :01:25.So, let's begin with this story that broke this evening and has taken
:01:26. > :01:31.quite a lot of people by surprise. Iain Duncan Smith deciding to resign
:01:32. > :01:35.from the Cabinet as the Work and Pensions Secretary. It opposes what
:01:36. > :01:40.seems to be a rift between the Treasury and his formative arm. Yes,
:01:41. > :01:47.there's nobody in Whitehall who doesn't seem to have a blade between
:01:48. > :01:52.his shoulders this morning. The other thing that happened today is
:01:53. > :01:56.that Iain Duncan Smith has been told for the third time by a judge to
:01:57. > :02:01.release some paperwork, which he didn't want to release. The
:02:02. > :02:09.paperwork is about internal reviews to how universal credit was going
:02:10. > :02:15.and what problems they had. The papers were expected to show a
:02:16. > :02:20.series of cock ups. He has been told today he really does have to publish
:02:21. > :02:25.them, as well as the Treasury briefing against him and his
:02:26. > :02:28.department and now we've had a really brutal resignation letter in
:02:29. > :02:32.which he blames George Osborne for everything that's happened in the
:02:33. > :02:37.past six years, while also saying he is proud of it, which doesn't make
:02:38. > :02:41.much sense. What is Iain Duncan Smith opposed to? Austerity itself
:02:42. > :02:46.or certain measures that were put into the budget this week? People
:02:47. > :02:49.who have been following this government for six years will be
:02:50. > :02:52.surprised by the discovery that Iain Duncan Smith could be a critic of
:02:53. > :02:56.austerity, it was he seemed to be the man in the engine room of
:02:57. > :02:59.austerity, the man making the wild case for austerity. While the
:03:00. > :03:07.shortage of money that it was necessary to reform now. Iain Duncan
:03:08. > :03:13.Smith approaches politics from a Christian, highly moral or most
:03:14. > :03:21.highly Tory perspective and he sees his job as reforming welfare to help
:03:22. > :03:26.people into work. Even if it causes hardship for some along the way.
:03:27. > :03:30.Yes, because any kind of welfare reform does that. Also it is simply
:03:31. > :03:37.necessary in order to reform a system which is now bloated. Here is
:03:38. > :03:41.the thing. He says that his well-intentioned policies were
:03:42. > :03:44.sometimes borrowed by the Treasury, inserted into a budget and used as
:03:45. > :03:49.an opportunity to save money. At the same time as the Treasury was
:03:50. > :03:54.carrying out other forms of taxation that gave the impression to the
:03:55. > :03:58.public that the government was both cutting money for welfare recipients
:03:59. > :04:02.and cutting taxes for the highest paid. So what Iain Duncan Smith is
:04:03. > :04:06.really doing is criticising the way austerity is being applied. He is
:04:07. > :04:10.walking a very fine line and isn't necessarily saying austerity is
:04:11. > :04:15.wrong, he is just saying that it has been hijacked by the Treasury and he
:04:16. > :04:20.feels that he is good plans and good programmes have been
:04:21. > :04:24.misrepresented. But also these reforms, which he has apparently
:04:25. > :04:28.resigned over, are ones that his department came up with and they
:04:29. > :04:31.were going to implement them in the future and he says they weren't
:04:32. > :04:35.ready yet, because he hadn't managed to convince everybody at. That
:04:36. > :04:43.doesn't mean he has a moral objection to those cuts per se, it
:04:44. > :04:47.just means he objects to the timing. That's not the moral objection
:04:48. > :04:50.you've got in his resignation letter and he isn't especially Christian
:04:51. > :04:57.Wade Christ reportedly said in the Bible to give to anyone who asks. --
:04:58. > :05:00.when Christ. This is before the welfare state. I can't defend him
:05:01. > :05:05.because he isn't speaking to my era and telling me what to say, but I
:05:06. > :05:07.would imagine that he would reply by saying that first of all don't
:05:08. > :05:16.forget the minimum wage hasn't gone up yet, so if you are reforming
:05:17. > :05:25.welfare this debate, it is wise to weight. -- wise to wait. The living
:05:26. > :05:31.wage might not affect certain people. But if they are working
:05:32. > :05:34.part-time they might be earning more certain. His point is that the
:05:35. > :05:38.welfare reform agenda was undermined because it was unfairly associated
:05:39. > :05:44.with cutting taxes for the rich and reducing payments. But it is the
:05:45. > :05:49.marketing of it. We are so engrossed in the conversation and forgetting
:05:50. > :05:53.to look at the front pages. I am listening and forgetting my job!
:05:54. > :06:00.Which is to show you the front pages. The Work and Pensions
:06:01. > :06:09.Secretary says that slashing benefits is indispensable. That's
:06:10. > :06:16.sure you what the FT -- let's show you what the FT started with. It
:06:17. > :06:23.leads with Europe gambling to stem migrant flow. Right in the middle of
:06:24. > :06:28.the paper. However, because this story broke this evening, the papers
:06:29. > :06:39.had a race on their hands to get the front page changed. Iain Duncan
:06:40. > :06:43.Smith quits over welfare cuts. How damaging it is for the governments
:06:44. > :06:48.generally and George Osborne in particular? It is incredibly
:06:49. > :06:53.damaging for George Osborne. The goal was that he would replace David
:06:54. > :06:56.Cameron. That was the gameplan. We had the opportunity to move to the
:06:57. > :06:59.Foreign Secretary after the election. He chose instead to at the
:07:00. > :07:05.Treasury. The budget has been a difficult one, with very confused
:07:06. > :07:11.messages. Both the left and right have made criticism. The handling of
:07:12. > :07:18.it has been controversial. Now that Iain Duncan Smith says this man is
:07:19. > :07:21.the enemy, of everything when it comes to social policy, it makes it
:07:22. > :07:26.much harder for him to replace David Cameron ago as he is now a toxic and
:07:27. > :07:31.controversial figure for many people within the Conservative party and
:07:32. > :07:35.Parliament. As Brexit emerges and Osborne will be out there everyday
:07:36. > :07:39.saying, if you vote for Brexit than held will emerge and the dead will
:07:40. > :07:41.walk and Britain will sink into the fiery pits, again he will alienate
:07:42. > :07:48.himself from ordinary Tory grassroots. The Guardian. George
:07:49. > :07:58.Osborne humbled by disability benefits. They've now said there was
:07:59. > :08:06.no mention of Iain Duncan Smith going. It was written beforehand. If
:08:07. > :08:11.the Treasury at first saying this morning that this is definitely
:08:12. > :08:16.going to happen, that the budget and that's what we are doing, for them
:08:17. > :08:19.to write back and say that actually we are going to think about it and
:08:20. > :08:23.consult and it may not happen after all, then in that context Iain
:08:24. > :08:26.Duncan Smith would have got what he wanted. He would never have been
:08:27. > :08:31.able to introduce those cuts further down the line. But he has Cameron
:08:32. > :08:35.and Osborne to write back and admit they were wrong. So there's no real
:08:36. > :08:40.reason to resign on that moral basis, if those cuts were imposed.
:08:41. > :08:42.But from his point of view he has been working on these reforms for
:08:43. > :08:46.years and within three days number 10 as announced they will never do
:08:47. > :08:52.it. So he may well in some sense have gotten what he wanted, but in
:08:53. > :09:04.the long run it must have been humiliating for the man. They have
:09:05. > :09:08.this SOI request as well. -- FOR. We have the text of a letter that the
:09:09. > :09:12.PM has said the Iain Duncan Smith, just a portion of it. I regret that
:09:13. > :09:17.he has chosen to step down at this moment. Together we designed the
:09:18. > :09:20.personal independence payment to support the most rollable and give
:09:21. > :09:24.disabled people more independence. We all agreed the increased spending
:09:25. > :09:30.should be properly managed and focused on those who need it most.
:09:31. > :09:33.That is why we collectively agreed you, number 10 and the Treasury,
:09:34. > :09:37.proposals which you and your department announced a week ago.
:09:38. > :09:43.Today we agreed not to receive the policies in the current form and
:09:44. > :09:48.instead work together to get the work right in the coming months. So
:09:49. > :10:01.I am disappointed that he has decided to resign. Listening to that
:10:02. > :10:04.letter, my ear picks up that when it was agreed they would pursue the
:10:05. > :10:12.policy last weekend when it was agreed they would back down from the
:10:13. > :10:20.policy, was he involved in the second decision? How collective is a
:10:21. > :10:25.decision as well? Someone has to be the boss. There is a hierarchy.
:10:26. > :10:30.Someone is in charge and says this is what is happening next and to say
:10:31. > :10:41.you are puzzled and disappointed... He said this was all your fault and
:10:42. > :10:44.he says you are part of it as well. Was there a Cabinet meeting this
:10:45. > :10:51.afternoon? I may have missed when it was collectively discussed. I
:10:52. > :10:57.suspect not. Iain Duncan Smith can also reply by pointing out that to
:10:58. > :11:00.some degree this sense of Cabinet leech analogy has already been
:11:01. > :11:04.broken by the Brexit debate, because he says he was denied access to
:11:05. > :11:08.certain civil servant documents and the pro EU members of Cabinet are
:11:09. > :11:12.allowed to speak to the media and say what they want and the others
:11:13. > :11:18.aren't. The arguably that Cabinet leech analogy has not been there for
:11:19. > :11:25.a couple of years. -- weeks. -- Cabinet division. There are only a
:11:26. > :11:32.few more months. He might as well get some airtime! So cynical!
:11:33. > :11:35.Realistic. Moving on. Let's talk about the story we thought we were
:11:36. > :11:40.going to be covering pretty much for the entirety of the review, which is
:11:41. > :11:45.the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, the 26 your old man who has been on the run
:11:46. > :11:50.since the Paris attacks. He is the main suspect following the deaths of
:11:51. > :11:58.130 people in Paris last November. The world's most wanted man is the
:11:59. > :12:03.headline on the Daily Mirror. He hadn't actually gone very far. No,
:12:04. > :12:15.he was living near where his brother lived in Marlon Pack in Brussels. --
:12:16. > :12:24.Moleenbek. It's a good thing they managed to get him alive, but the
:12:25. > :12:30.Brussels authorities seem to only have got him by accident. They were
:12:31. > :12:34.going after some counterfeiters that they thought perhaps was linked to
:12:35. > :12:38.the Paris attacks five months ago. They then got into a couple of
:12:39. > :12:45.flats, found they were under gunfire and realised they had managed to
:12:46. > :12:49.find him and shot him in the leg, which is not the kind of thing you
:12:50. > :12:54.aim for if you are policemen. He has been shot and found accidentally.
:12:55. > :12:56.Because they were very well armed this time and were taken by surprise
:12:57. > :13:02.when they went to that flat that they thought was empty in that
:13:03. > :13:13.certain area of Belgium. Today a different prospect. I was vaguely
:13:14. > :13:15.hearing on the radio before I came to the studio something about the
:13:16. > :13:20.boss and maybe they were given very short notice that he was in the
:13:21. > :13:24.area. I don't know. The significance of this is enormous because
:13:25. > :13:27.obviously it was one of the devastating attacks that has
:13:28. > :13:33.happened in Europe. Hundreds killed. His brother was killed in the
:13:34. > :13:35.attack. And I think this was an opportunity, when you capture
:13:36. > :13:38.someone live, not only to assess them for information and
:13:39. > :13:44.intelligence but to also address the issue of why he did it. For me
:13:45. > :13:49.that's the big question, the philosophical question that Europe
:13:50. > :13:52.has got to address. If you can catch a terrorist rather than kill him,
:13:53. > :13:57.you prevent him from becoming a martyr, you reduce him to the status
:13:58. > :14:01.of a normal human being in a court undergoing a mundane process,
:14:02. > :14:06.looking as haggard as anyone would do when they are in court. That's
:14:07. > :14:08.important. It is important for the families that they have their
:14:09. > :14:18.justice and their day in court and it is important for the Tera
:14:19. > :14:24.network, -- terror network, that the martyrdom is denied. Are you saying
:14:25. > :14:30.Osama Bin Laden should not have been shot? No, but the whole point of
:14:31. > :14:36.what we do as a civilisation is that that is the correct way to behave.
:14:37. > :14:39.But this man is a cold in the wheel of Islamic State.
:14:40. > :14:47.But this man is a cold in the wheel of Islamic State. Osama Bin Laden
:14:48. > :14:50.was the head of it. I think it was easier to take out a Osama Bin
:14:51. > :14:58.Laden. It was easier to take him out. But this is not the end of it.
:14:59. > :15:02.Francois Heartland said there were far more people involved in the
:15:03. > :15:09.Paris attacks then the authorities at first realised -- Francois
:15:10. > :15:13.Heartland. As well as addressing the questions you mentioned. And the
:15:14. > :15:18.network stretches across the whole continent, including connections to
:15:19. > :15:23.England, as well as into Syria, issues of border control, so yes, it
:15:24. > :15:27.is a huge issue. Brexit and the migrant issue on the front pages as
:15:28. > :15:32.well. We will try to do with those again tomorrow. But that is it for
:15:33. > :15:34.the papers tonight. Thank you to our guests for coming in. Now it is time
:15:35. > :15:38.for Sportsday.