:00:19. > :00:27.Welcome to our look ahead at what the Papers will be bringing us
:00:28. > :00:32.tomorrow. Yasmine Brown and Vincent Moss join us now. Tomorrow's
:00:33. > :00:36.front-pages are already in, and the Sunday Times leads on a call from
:00:37. > :00:41.the former Labour Prime Minister, Tony Blair, to crush Isis or be
:00:42. > :00:45.faced with a terrorist act in Britain that's worse than Paris or
:00:46. > :00:50.Brussels. He calls on the West to equip Arab Ground Forces.
:00:51. > :00:54.The Mail on Sunday says convicted terrorists are being paid terrorists
:00:55. > :00:59.using British aid money and it criticises the Government's
:01:00. > :01:04.commitment to spending 0.7% of national income on foreign aid. The
:01:05. > :01:09.telegraph quotes one of America's top generals, David Petraeus as
:01:10. > :01:13.saying he thinks a Brexit would weaken the West. The Sunday Express
:01:14. > :01:18.says after the terrorist attacks, it's time for the fightback. It
:01:19. > :01:25.reports that SAS squads are ready to fly in and protect any town in the
:01:26. > :01:32.UK. The Star on Sunday leads with "got him! " Saying Belgium police
:01:33. > :01:37.have arrested the third bomber. He's been charged with murder.
:01:38. > :01:41.The Observer leads with a warning from the Health Secretary, Jeremy
:01:42. > :01:46.Hunt. He says if Britain votes to leave the European Union, the NHS
:01:47. > :01:50.would face budget cuts, falling standards and an Exodus of junior
:01:51. > :01:54.doctors and nurses. Let's begin and we are going to
:01:55. > :01:58.start with the Observer and that story that we have talked about, how
:01:59. > :02:03.all of a sudden now the National Health Service, according to Jeremy
:02:04. > :02:08.Hunt, is under threat if we decide to leave. Yasmine? Yes. I think this
:02:09. > :02:13.is interesting because actually I wouldn't have expected Jeremy Hunt
:02:14. > :02:19.to come in on this debate in quite this way. It's very interesting;
:02:20. > :02:24.those who want to stay, when they come up with their own take on it,
:02:25. > :02:29.are accused of project fear by the Brexit lot. But Nick Clegg wrote a
:02:30. > :02:36.very good piece this week where he said, on the other side with Brexit,
:02:37. > :02:40.it's project fib, so you have got project fear very suss profig and
:02:41. > :02:47.there's something in it. It's obvious to me that if we leave,
:02:48. > :02:50.there will be a problem with some aspects of the National Health
:02:51. > :02:55.Service. The pressure on it may well go down but I'm not sure the numbers
:02:56. > :03:02.of people coming into this country will necessarily be going down. So
:03:03. > :03:05.it's an interesting political move. He's also saying if the economy
:03:06. > :03:09.doesn't do as well, then Britain won't be able to fund the National
:03:10. > :03:13.Health Service as it is, that's also another argument he's talking about?
:03:14. > :03:17.That seems to be his central point which is one that all the Government
:03:18. > :03:22.ministers who're on the remain side, are saying, which is that if the
:03:23. > :03:28.economy does worse, that will be bad for the NHS. Many would say when
:03:29. > :03:31.Jeremy Hunt talks about a potential Exodus of doctors, that the main
:03:32. > :03:37.cause of that would be Jeremy Hunt himself. Yes. With his plans to
:03:38. > :03:49.impose contracts they find deeply unplavrmt it's a strange way of
:03:50. > :03:52.linking the NHS to Brexit. Next week, there will be an Environment
:03:53. > :03:58.Minister popping up, perhaps the week after that, a Defence Minister.
:03:59. > :04:03.Getting cynical vibes coming out. Absolutely. We haven't heard a great
:04:04. > :04:13.deal from Jeremy Hunt about staying in? He's been too busy annoying and
:04:14. > :04:18.pushing off doctors actually. I never knowingly in my life agreed
:04:19. > :04:24.with anything Hunt has said but I think he's right that, you know, the
:04:25. > :04:30.whole link-up with Europe has been very good for health tourism both
:04:31. > :04:34.ways actually. A lot of our people, you know, people forget how many
:04:35. > :04:38.British people for example go to France for certain operations, for
:04:39. > :04:44.certain treatments that are not available here. Do they have to pay
:04:45. > :04:51.for that? No, they do not. Cosmetic surgery is a lot cheaper in European
:04:52. > :04:56.countries. My husband had to have an operation on his hand which couldn't
:04:57. > :05:01.be performed here but was informed in an hour in Paris and he couldn't
:05:02. > :05:04.have done that. A lot of people are going, not because they have a
:05:05. > :05:08.better service, but because they have certain specialities which we
:05:09. > :05:14.don't have. We have had our children go to Poland for cancer treatments,
:05:15. > :05:17.you know. We are not thinking about how connected we are and how good
:05:18. > :05:22.that has been with all the problems I understand.
:05:23. > :05:36.OK. Let us stay with the Brexit but change papers and on now to the
:05:37. > :05:42.Sunday Times. This isn't the main story but Brexit's big buzz list
:05:43. > :05:46.backfires. Businesses backing the campaign to leave the European
:05:47. > :05:49.Union. The paper claiming that's unravelled because some chain they
:05:50. > :05:58.didn't know they were being signed up. This is an increased problem.
:05:59. > :06:02.They get lots of worthies, dignitaries to sign a letter and
:06:03. > :06:08.publish it in a newspaper. The Sunday Times is pointing out it
:06:09. > :06:15.seems to be unravelling. The cofounder of Carphone Warehouse and
:06:16. > :06:24.the founder of Phones 4 U were surprised to find themselves on the
:06:25. > :06:28.list. I find it ironic that both these people founded mobile phone
:06:29. > :06:31.empires, you would have thought somebody would have rung them up and
:06:32. > :06:38.told them they were going to put them on the list. Good point. John
:06:39. > :06:42.Cadwell supported the campaign. You have to check when compiling the
:06:43. > :06:48.lists. But I'm sure I remember it wasn't one of the staying in open
:06:49. > :06:54.manned by people that... Yes, absolutely. It seems so far to be a
:06:55. > :06:58.very unground up debate on both sides. People don't know the facts,
:06:59. > :07:03.they have not been given the facts at all about the things they need to
:07:04. > :07:08.know before they can vote. Our media's not been very good at
:07:09. > :07:12.communicating the basic information to let people make an intelligent
:07:13. > :07:17.choice, they've just got carried away. It's hard because people argue
:07:18. > :07:23.about the truth behind the information. Isn't there a
:07:24. > :07:28.fact-checking website now which is really good and you can go there and
:07:29. > :07:31.you can check these facts and give you the proper numbers completely
:07:32. > :07:37.objective numbers and I think that's where we have to go now with this
:07:38. > :07:40.debate. We have a long few weeks ahead of it as well. Let's change
:07:41. > :07:45.story but stick with the Sunday Times and the headline on the main
:07:46. > :07:49.story Blair; crush Isis or horror will intensify and he's calling for
:07:50. > :07:56.the West to equip Arab ground forces. Let's come on to that aspect
:07:57. > :08:00.of it, but Tony Blair calling for a steppup of military action. He never
:08:01. > :08:06.gets over this. He must have had such a lot of guns and soldiers when
:08:07. > :08:10.he was a little boy. There is this impulse in him. I mean he's right,
:08:11. > :08:15.the Isis threat is at a different level from Al-Qaeda or Taliban. I
:08:16. > :08:18.would never deny that. I think it's taken everybody by shock, they're
:08:19. > :08:26.very well organised. Why are they well organised? Because some of the
:08:27. > :08:32.people who're organising their campaigns were Ba'athists, Generals
:08:33. > :08:39.and top people in the Iraq Army, the two allies got rid of them. But his
:08:40. > :08:42.need to go and use weaponry is astonishing, it's kind of... I don't
:08:43. > :08:47.know, psychosis. I don't understand that. This is not going to go away.
:08:48. > :08:53.We have to find different ways, I don't know. He does make the point
:08:54. > :08:57.which many would agree with that, when it comes to Isis, they can't be
:08:58. > :09:01.contained, they have to be defeated. That's the idea that every time it's
:09:02. > :09:05.an arrest it's a great victory and we are all safe again is not the
:09:06. > :09:09.case and it's a systemic problem that has to be dealt with where it's
:09:10. > :09:14.happening, if you like, in the region and it's no good just
:09:15. > :09:18.arresting and picking people up in European cities, it's far deeper and
:09:19. > :09:20.Tony Blair is saying a Rapid Reaction Force should be set up to
:09:21. > :09:25.deal with incidents where they happen. That's fine but it's still
:09:26. > :09:31.not going to solve the problem. Annal cysts saying you can't crush a
:09:32. > :09:41.collective like this? -- analysts say. And who has spend over $07
:09:42. > :09:45.billion in the last few years getting into young Muslim people's
:09:46. > :09:51.heads? Saudi Arabia. What does Mr Blair have to say about this allie
:09:52. > :09:56.of ours Saudi Arabia, who has sent this infection around the world?
:09:57. > :10:01.Nothing. Strangely admitted. Saudi Arabia of course would dispute that.
:10:02. > :10:06.But what I want to bring you now is, he's talking about Arab ground
:10:07. > :10:10.forces. Now that to me begs the question, which Arab ground forces.
:10:11. > :10:14.Yes. There's always been a view that nations in the region should be
:10:15. > :10:18.doing more, not least because everybody in the West is very
:10:19. > :10:21.reluctant to commit ground troops into these areas and it's a
:10:22. > :10:26.coalition of willing countries and nations around there, but as you
:10:27. > :10:31.say, all that is a sort of a real hot bed of problems in itself
:10:32. > :10:37.because of all the rivalries in the area. So how you sort that out, I
:10:38. > :10:40.don't know. That's what the West did, they went and armed the
:10:41. > :10:45.so-called good guys and look where we are now, we don't know who the
:10:46. > :10:52.good guys are any more. Exactly. Just on this, do you think now, like
:10:53. > :10:58.him or don't like him, do people listen to Tony Blair still? I don't
:10:59. > :11:02.think so. I don't think so. I don't wholly blame him for what's
:11:03. > :11:08.happening, you know, as other people seem to think if we hadn't have had
:11:09. > :11:11.this war in Iraq, we wouldn't be experiencing what we are
:11:12. > :11:15.experiencing. In my view, the project has been funded by Saudi
:11:16. > :11:21.Arabia and this is on record, I'm not making it up. But where I think
:11:22. > :11:26.it's very sad is that people have forgotten his good record now
:11:27. > :11:31.because he is so focussed on trying to clear his name over the war, he
:11:32. > :11:36.did some brilliant stuff with the nation. But he's still in the
:11:37. > :11:40.Spotlight because we are still awaiting the Chilcot Report. Which
:11:41. > :11:46.is mentioned as well in this piece. We'll be dead by then! Still no date
:11:47. > :11:51.on that. OK so that was the Sunday Times' main story. Now back to
:11:52. > :11:59.Brexit, on to the Sunday Telegraph. And this, another US intervention,
:12:00. > :12:03.but this time it's General Petraeus warning that being within the
:12:04. > :12:08.European Union makes Britain stronger against the Jihadists. Are
:12:09. > :12:12.you buying that, Vincent? It's a very good article actually, a better
:12:13. > :12:17.one than the Tony Blair article in the way it's written, it inVokes a
:12:18. > :12:21.Chilean tone and you have the top American general warning about the
:12:22. > :12:38.isolationism of Brexit. He makes the case and it's an Easter
:12:39. > :12:43.weekend, apart from terror events in Europe, there's not too much going
:12:44. > :12:47.on domestically. Let's not forget David Petraeus was the person who
:12:48. > :12:57.made the biggest mistakes after the war in Iraq. The failures, he was
:12:58. > :13:02.the one who made all the bad decisions, so for him to stand up
:13:03. > :13:07.and say very much that people should listen to Isis is not wise. But they
:13:08. > :13:14.are determined to get the message out there. I suspect this would have
:13:15. > :13:19.been the campaign warning of the risks. But why is it in the
:13:20. > :13:25.Telegraph which is more or less Brexit isn't it? As a lead story?
:13:26. > :13:29.Yes. Even the sceptical papers, the propapers, they want to run
:13:30. > :13:34.reasonably good stories at the moment. You would expect the
:13:35. > :13:38.Telegraph to be very much on that side of the argument, but it's a
:13:39. > :13:42.good story and probably one of the better Brexit stories around in the
:13:43. > :13:47.Sunday papers. Certain think Brexit and Islamic state dominate in the
:13:48. > :13:50.headlines, as we probably expected. This development with general
:13:51. > :13:53.Petraeus comes after we were told we were going to hear President Obama
:13:54. > :13:59.saying we should remain in? It would have been different. Do you think we
:14:00. > :14:02.are going to see more and more foreign backers give us their
:14:03. > :14:07.opinion about what to stay over the coming week? It's always hard when,
:14:08. > :14:12.especially America intervenes, and it's very hard the other way. There
:14:13. > :14:16.was a time when the last American election when some big names started
:14:17. > :14:20.to say vote for Obama and it was taken very badly in America. I think
:14:21. > :14:33.it's the same here. There is this sense that America cannot tell us
:14:34. > :14:37.what to do on Europe. I don't think it plays well. It will always
:14:38. > :14:40.dominate in Britain. If you are an American visiting or interviewing an
:14:41. > :14:44.American politician, whether it's the BBC or a newspaper, they are
:14:45. > :14:49.always going to be asked and they follow the same broad script which
:14:50. > :14:59.is, we prefer when Europe is united rather than divided.
:15:00. > :15:06.It was the Observer piece about the fact that although the remain in
:15:07. > :15:10.campaign, according to the opinion polls would suggest they are still
:15:11. > :15:14.in the lead, just, that Downing Street's worried about the number of
:15:15. > :15:18.undecideds and, are you getting the feeling that they are quite a
:15:19. > :15:22.significant number? Well, they will decide. We saw with the febrile
:15:23. > :15:25.nature around the general election which most predicted wrongly, lots
:15:26. > :15:31.of people won't consider this issue until much closer to June 23, the
:15:32. > :15:37.referendum date, probably the last week and that critical proportion of
:15:38. > :15:40.undecideds may swing the votes. We have the May elections coming up. We
:15:41. > :15:48.need to be looking at that first and then looking at the June referendum.
:15:49. > :15:56.It's taken off and now there's no putting it back into the bottle. I
:15:57. > :16:01.can't help but wonder whether the undecideds are being put off by all
:16:02. > :16:05.of the mood music? I think so. I think they tune out, by and large,
:16:06. > :16:09.and they'll tune back in in the days running up to the poll. You have
:16:10. > :16:13.very strong views. Those who feel strongly won't change their mind
:16:14. > :16:18.about it. Those who're firmly in are firmly in, those firmly out are
:16:19. > :16:22.firmly out. It's the critical 10-15% who are undivided. For young people
:16:23. > :16:31.it's not even a big issue, they are brought up as Europeans now but yes,
:16:32. > :16:38.it's... I mean all we need is pop stars singing... I'm sure that will
:16:39. > :16:50.be the next thick. -- next thing. The Mail on Sunday, time to squeeze
:16:51. > :16:54.this is in. The story that Petronella Wyatt is breaking her
:16:55. > :17:00.silence on Boris Johnson's affair. Why are the guns out for Boris
:17:01. > :17:04.Johnson in the Mail, do you think? And now, she's been silenced in the
:17:05. > :17:13.interim years but when it happened, there was a huge amount that we all
:17:14. > :17:19.read and remember about it. I think Boris at Select Committee this week,
:17:20. > :17:23.some of the way Boris is arguing about a Brexit, lazily, picking
:17:24. > :17:30.facts which are not facts, is upsetting a lot of people, but that
:17:31. > :17:37.doesn't explain why the Mail on Sunday has decided to remind people
:17:38. > :17:40.of his hot days at the Spectator. And he's the poster boy of the
:17:41. > :17:44.campaign as well? Because George Osborne had a very bad budget and he
:17:45. > :17:48.was always seen as really the potential successor to David Cameron
:17:49. > :17:51.apart from Boris, the scrutiny is now starting to fall on Boris
:17:52. > :17:53.Johnson as potentially the next Conservative Leader and potential
:17:54. > :17:57.think next Prime Minister because I don't think David Cameron will stay
:17:58. > :18:01.to the last day of the 2020 Parliament so the scrutiny is there
:18:02. > :18:06.and he had an interesting piece in the Times today by Matthew Paris who
:18:07. > :18:09.was extremely critical of Boris Johnson, that's sparked renewed
:18:10. > :18:13.interest and renewed scrutiny and explained why the Mail on Sunday
:18:14. > :18:18.have turned their focus and lens firmly on this. Do you think we are
:18:19. > :18:22.going to get more on this Much more and he's a fascinating and
:18:23. > :18:26.interesting character. Indeed! What papers - it's interesting to see
:18:27. > :18:30.that it's the Mail - they have been extremely supportive? Not least
:18:31. > :18:34.because Rachel Johnson, Boris's sister writes. She's a columnist on
:18:35. > :18:39.the Mail on Sunday, yes, so it's a surprise. Maybe it's just simply
:18:40. > :18:43.commerce - people love gossip of this kind and they'll buy the paper.
:18:44. > :18:47.Of course we don't know what is inside, we haven't had the inside
:18:48. > :18:52.papers. But you can imagine this will be a good read. Yes, with some
:18:53. > :18:57.of the Brexit stuff as well. Yes. I can tell you will be desperate to
:18:58. > :19:01.get your hands on this. I know all of it because it's been around for
:19:02. > :19:05.such a long time. An odd time to bring it out now, except because the
:19:06. > :19:08.guns are out for Boris to focus. He's either going to be the next
:19:09. > :19:12.Conservative Leader or not and these stories will play a big part. Miss
:19:13. > :19:21.Wyatt must still be very angry about what happened. A woman scorned is
:19:22. > :19:27.doesn't... We'll leave that hanging in the air. I know because I was one
:19:28. > :19:33.and, you know, we don't go quietly. That is it from the papers this
:19:34. > :19:39.hour, thank you to Yasmine and Vincent. Back later for the 11. 30
:19:40. > :19:40.Papers. Before the