:00:00. > :00:10.That is all your sport for no. No, though, on BBC News, back to Maxine
:00:11. > :00:12.for The Papers. -- your sport for now.
:00:13. > :00:15.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:16. > :00:20.With me are Sian Griffiths, the education Editor
:00:21. > :00:22.With me are Sian Griffiths, the education editor
:00:23. > :00:24.of The Sunday Times, and Mike Walters, sports writer
:00:25. > :00:35.The Sunday Times leads with a call from Tony Blair to crush Isis or be
:00:36. > :00:38.faced with a terrorist attack in Britain worse than those in Paris
:00:39. > :00:45.Lets just have a look at that headline. There it is.
:00:46. > :00:47.Let's just have a look at that headline.
:00:48. > :00:51.The Mail on Sunday says convicted terrorists are being paid salaries
:00:52. > :00:53.using British aid money - the paper goes on to criticise
:00:54. > :00:56.the Government's commitment to spend billions on foreign aid.
:00:57. > :00:59.The Telegraph quotes one of America's top former generals,
:01:00. > :01:08.David Petraeus, who says a Brexit would weaken the West and raise
:01:09. > :01:12.The Sunday Express reports that after the terror attacks in Europe
:01:13. > :01:15.it's time for a fightback, adding that SAS squads are ready
:01:16. > :01:17.to fly in and protect any town in the UK.
:01:18. > :01:21.The Star on Sunday splashes on the news we have been covering
:01:22. > :01:24.this morning - that Belgian prosecutors have charged a man
:01:25. > :01:26.with terrorist offences, in connection with Tuesday's attacks
:01:27. > :01:29.The Observer leads with a warning from the Health Secretary Jeremy
:01:30. > :01:32.Hunt who claims that the NHS will face budget cuts if Britain
:01:33. > :01:37.And the online Independent on Sunday covers the England football team's
:01:38. > :01:44.3-2 win over Germany in Berlin last night.
:01:45. > :01:51.Let us get started. Plenty to talk about. Let's start with the Sunday
:01:52. > :01:56.Times and Tony Blair's warning. Sian, what do you make of it? A very
:01:57. > :02:00.interesting and dramatic article he has written for the Sunday Times,
:02:01. > :02:05.Tony Blair. In it he is calling for Britain to step up military action
:02:06. > :02:10.to crush Isis. Those are the words he actually uses, or, he says, we
:02:11. > :02:12.could be faced with a terrorist act of such size and horror it will
:02:13. > :02:19.result in many more victims than even Paris or Brussels. The message
:02:20. > :02:22.there is that not doing enough? That's right. He calls for an
:02:23. > :02:26.international rapid reaction force to be set up and there is quite an
:02:27. > :02:30.interesting statement he makes. He says eventually the terrorists will
:02:31. > :02:35.commit an act of such size and horror that we will change' but by
:02:36. > :02:44.then the battle will be much harder to win without mergers that
:02:45. > :02:48.contradict our basic value systems -- change our position. The story we
:02:49. > :02:52.ran last week about the terrorists possibly trying to get their hands
:02:53. > :02:56.on nuclear material... The whole thing seems very frightening at the
:02:57. > :03:00.moment and very alive and real and I think this story at the bottom as
:03:01. > :03:06.well, of the Sunday Times front page, saying we have 2000 extra and
:03:07. > :03:10.terror police onto our streets to protect us. I think there is that
:03:11. > :03:14.feeling that any major European capital is at risk at the moment.
:03:15. > :03:20.Everyone has to be ready. What do you make it back other, Mike? Some
:03:21. > :03:24.might say it is brave of Mr Tony Blair to intervene in this matter
:03:25. > :03:29.because in 2003 in collaboration with George W Bush it was Mr Blair
:03:30. > :03:33.who organised this invasion of Iraq, the followed from which created a
:03:34. > :03:37.vacuum for Islamic State or the forces from Islamic State to
:03:38. > :03:43.prosper, as they do now. Working for the daily Mirror, as I do, I am
:03:44. > :03:47.actually quite proud we were almost alone among national newspapers to
:03:48. > :03:55.oppose the invasion of Iraq. I don't want to give the old" we told you
:03:56. > :03:59.so. What, but something similar is happening in Libya as well where
:04:00. > :04:01.there is a situation following the removal of Colonel Gaddafi and Isis
:04:02. > :04:06.forces have been making headway there as well. I think it is very
:04:07. > :04:10.brave of Mr Blair to intervene on this subject. I don't think anybody
:04:11. > :04:19.will take any great solace from his warning that we might kop terrorist
:04:20. > :04:22.attack much worse than anything we have seen in Brussels or Paris so
:04:23. > :04:30.far. What do you think the Government view on his intervention
:04:31. > :04:34.will be? I seem to remember that the opposition, as the Conservatives
:04:35. > :04:41.were in 2003, supported the invasion of Iraq, so I would advise them
:04:42. > :04:44.against getting too holier than thou about it as well. There is no
:04:45. > :04:49.question that Isis poses the greatest threat to British security
:04:50. > :04:56.for generations and the problem is that rather than trying to keep
:04:57. > :05:04.external enemies at bay, if you like, the real risk is that they are
:05:05. > :05:08.already -- there are already cells within Britain looking to do serious
:05:09. > :05:13.damage and I think we need to address the enemy within, if I can
:05:14. > :05:16.use that phrase. Turning to the Observer, the man held on terror
:05:17. > :05:21.charges, talking about what has been going on in Brussels this week. We
:05:22. > :05:25.are beginning, I think, Sian, are we not, to get threads running through
:05:26. > :05:30.the Brussels and Paris and tax? A picture as well perhaps, a wider
:05:31. > :05:38.picture of what is going on -- Harris and Brussels attacks. Yes,
:05:39. > :05:42.our paper today has a very detailed account of the attack in Brussels
:05:43. > :05:46.and the bigger picture. Who are these people, who are these
:05:47. > :05:51.terrorists? Where do they come from? Also looking at perhaps did the
:05:52. > :05:58.Belgian security and the Belgian police bungle, I think that is the
:05:59. > :06:02.word we used, there are kepts to kind of find and track down and
:06:03. > :06:10.intervene in this at a much earlier stage? The story on the front page
:06:11. > :06:13.of the Observer names, I mean, it goes into this and says the Belgian
:06:14. > :06:17.prosecutors have charged this man thought to be the third man at the
:06:18. > :06:28.airport, the man in the hat. He has been identified as Faycal Cheffou, a
:06:29. > :06:32.self-styled journalist already trying to radicalise asylum seekers
:06:33. > :06:36.coming into the country, so I think who was carrying them out, the links
:06:37. > :06:40.with the Paris attacks, and the failings as well by the security
:06:41. > :06:45.services and the police, not just last week, but going back, you know,
:06:46. > :06:50.probably for years, in dealing with the situation. I think also, Mike,
:06:51. > :06:53.just in the comments from other countries, president Obama saying we
:06:54. > :06:58.have to do more, other countries saying we have to help the Belgians.
:06:59. > :07:03.It uncovers a picture of perhaps everyone has not been very cohesive?
:07:04. > :07:06.Barack Obama told Belgians in his weekly radio address that the
:07:07. > :07:10.Americans have their backs, which is very comforting. The Belgians would
:07:11. > :07:14.probably be a bit more reassured if the Americans had their front and
:07:15. > :07:18.both flanks as well, but as you say they does not appear to have been a
:07:19. > :07:21.lot of cohesion or joined up thinking in the EU generally about
:07:22. > :07:24.the fight against terrorism and every time there are one of these
:07:25. > :07:30.atrocities like in Paris in November and Brussels last week it brings
:07:31. > :07:40.that lack of cohesion into rather more starkly interview, doesn't it?
:07:41. > :07:44.Let's move on. The Brexit, we can get for which met. The NHS is now
:07:45. > :07:48.under threat. Wire-mac, would you start with that one? This is the
:07:49. > :07:53.Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt warning that the National Health Service
:07:54. > :07:59.will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas
:08:00. > :08:02.doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union. I don't not
:08:03. > :08:08.about you, Maxine, but I am already bored of people using Brexit as a
:08:09. > :08:12.hobby horse to warn this or that might happen. We will have another
:08:13. > :08:15.three months of this, the vote not being until the end of June on
:08:16. > :08:20.whether we stay in the EU, saw another three months of this. Mr
:08:21. > :08:24.Hunt cites a series of economic service from the CBI, the London
:08:25. > :08:29.School of economics and Oxford economics, evidence of the adverse
:08:30. > :08:33.impact of Brexit on the UK economy and the Government's ability to
:08:34. > :08:39.stick to the high levels of funding for public services. Call me
:08:40. > :08:41.cynical, but I wonder if that is the Health Secretary getting his excuses
:08:42. > :08:45.in first. Do you think actually, Sian, that the normal person in the
:08:46. > :08:48.street, all of us who will have to vote or have the opportunity to vote
:08:49. > :08:52.in this referendum, do you think people actually know what the issues
:08:53. > :08:56.are, given we keep getting these screaming headlines? I think people
:08:57. > :09:00.are welded, quite honestly. When it comes down to it, and I was thinking
:09:01. > :09:04.about this, what would sway me, and I guess it would be if I could see
:09:05. > :09:09.convincing evidence we might lose jobs, you know, if we went one way
:09:10. > :09:12.or another, or the economy would be very badly affected, but, you know,
:09:13. > :09:17.people are making such claims on both sides it is very hard to decide
:09:18. > :09:24.who you are going to kind of except, and I think every Sunday now we are
:09:25. > :09:28.having stories from both the Leave campaign and the Remain campaign in
:09:29. > :09:32.the Sunday papers dominating the agenda. There is another one here in
:09:33. > :09:37.the Sunday Times this morning, saying that two business leaders are
:09:38. > :09:43.supposed to have signed this letter saying, you know, they wanted to
:09:44. > :09:48.leave the EU, apparently, you know, they don't think that at all. The
:09:49. > :09:53.whole thing just seems like confusion and I think the punter on
:09:54. > :09:58.the street, yes, quite confused. It has become a bit of a political
:09:59. > :10:03.cliche, hasn't it? For one party or another are one campaign, for Brexit
:10:04. > :10:08.or to stay in Europe, to produce this list of business leaders who
:10:09. > :10:12.have allegedly signed up to their viewpoint, when as it transpires in
:10:13. > :10:17.some cases nothing could be further from the truth. Let's move on to
:10:18. > :10:22.education, Sian, your territory, primarily. I have the Sunday Times
:10:23. > :10:26.or beside me. Two stories here but let's start with this one, teachers
:10:27. > :10:29.threaten strike over the academies plan. This is the story we were
:10:30. > :10:33.running highly yesterday and also today because of the teachers' union
:10:34. > :10:37.meeting this weekend. It is not the first time we have heard teachers do
:10:38. > :10:42.not like academies, or the first we have heard that Government does like
:10:43. > :10:45.them, so what is going on? It is the teaching union conference this
:10:46. > :10:49.weekend, traditionally over the Easter weekend, so the NUT is
:10:50. > :10:52.meeting and so is the other big teaching union, so what is going on
:10:53. > :10:56.here is that a week ago the Government issued a white paper and
:10:57. > :11:03.the white Paper contained plans which the teachers have been
:11:04. > :11:08.absolutely furious about to turn all of our schools, all English schools
:11:09. > :11:09.come into academies, which means another 15,000 or 70,000 school
:11:10. > :11:19.can you briefly ex-plain what an Academy is? At the moment most of
:11:20. > :11:24.our schools are controlled by local councils -- 15,000 or 17,000
:11:25. > :11:28.schools. Local councils have quite a big say in teachers' pay and so on.
:11:29. > :11:32.The idea of an academy is that instead of being run by the local
:11:33. > :11:36.council Europe run by a charitable trust. Headteachers have a lot more
:11:37. > :11:39.autonomy over things like how much to pay their teachers, whether to
:11:40. > :11:44.make the school day a lot longer, even what to teach in terms of the
:11:45. > :11:48.curriculum, so it is a lot more independent, more autonomy for
:11:49. > :11:51.headteachers, that is what an academy is. The teaching unions hate
:11:52. > :11:55.it, although they don't see this very often, because they will lose.
:11:56. > :11:59.If all schools became academies national pay and conditions for
:12:00. > :12:04.teachers would go, bang. I think that is why the teachers are
:12:05. > :12:08.absolutely determined to oppose it but I think it is not just teachers
:12:09. > :12:13.who are determined to resist this plan. Parents are pretty fed up with
:12:14. > :12:17.it as well, I think. Interestingly, Conservative councillors do not like
:12:18. > :12:21.it either. We have had a number of leading Conservative councils coming
:12:22. > :12:28.out over the last few days saying, no. Might this be a U-turn? I think
:12:29. > :12:33.the idea, certainly Christine blower at the NUT this morning, very keen
:12:34. > :12:37.to build a coalition against the idea of forcing every school to
:12:38. > :12:40.become an academy over the next few years and defeating it -- Blower. I
:12:41. > :12:44.think they would like to see a U-turn like this on disability
:12:45. > :12:49.benefits. Can I say I remain to be convinced on whether it is a good or
:12:50. > :12:53.bad idea but I remember reading in the Conservative election manifesto
:12:54. > :12:56.about turning every school in two -- I don't remember seeing anything
:12:57. > :12:59.about turning every school into an academy. Correct me if I am wrong
:13:00. > :13:03.but I do not receive it. I would like to move on to the other story
:13:04. > :13:11.in the Times. The colour of ink used by teachers... I will defer to the
:13:12. > :13:14.education expert! It is just so sweet. Yesterday at one of the
:13:15. > :13:19.teaching union conferences Nicky Morgan actually criticised
:13:20. > :13:23.ridiculous rules about the colour of pens used to mark childrens' work. I
:13:24. > :13:26.and the education editor of the Sunday Times but I had no idea that
:13:27. > :13:31.teachers do not use red pen any more to Mark childrens' work because it
:13:32. > :13:35.is seen as aggressive, so schools are encouraging teachers to use
:13:36. > :13:38.green ink for a very positive comments and pink ink to say
:13:39. > :13:43.anything critical. Has a consultant or something been brought into the
:13:44. > :13:46.get this? I think it goes back. Teachers have been saying it all
:13:47. > :13:52.goes back to some guidance school inspectors gave which presumably
:13:53. > :13:56.comes from some report, but the poor teachers, these bulging pencil cases
:13:57. > :14:00.with all the coloured pens, having to member the different colours of
:14:01. > :14:05.the time. Yes, usually a highly paid consultant for these things with...
:14:06. > :14:09.But we would miss the red pen, wouldn't we, Mike? Of course, but a
:14:10. > :14:15.colleague of mine in sport told me that in a study of footballs'
:14:16. > :14:18.peripheral vision, so they can spot team-mates on either side of them,
:14:19. > :14:22.red and yellow are apparently the two most striking colours, the
:14:23. > :14:30.colours you spot mostly, out of the corner of your eye. But obviously
:14:31. > :14:33.aggressive as well! Sign and have never interpreted one colour to be
:14:34. > :14:37.aggressive or passive, but when I got red in my homework, and there
:14:38. > :14:42.was plenty of that, I am afraid, is that you don't have to go looking
:14:43. > :14:50.for it. You sit up and take notice. The Son. England and -- and the
:14:51. > :14:56.story on England and Germany. That makes you sit up and take notice, in
:14:57. > :15:00.the Sun? 2-0 down last night and they came back to win 3-2.
:15:01. > :15:04.Unfortunately they do not win a trophy, only a friendly, but it was
:15:05. > :15:08.not just the result, and the fact they came from two goals down to
:15:09. > :15:11.win, but the manner in which they played that was so encouraging. I
:15:12. > :15:15.would point out that England have a pretty good record in Berlin, not
:15:16. > :15:19.much against Germany as a nation, but in Berlin. Going back nearly 80
:15:20. > :15:23.years, there was a game ending the 38 that became the because the
:15:24. > :15:28.England team gave the natty salute before kick-off. Nobody remember is
:15:29. > :15:41.the score, so I will tell you, England won 6-3 -- Nazi summit. When
:15:42. > :15:44.we have had a 5-1 win as well? Yes, in Munich. And all in context, this
:15:45. > :15:49.fantastic young team coming through, is that what it is about? Lets not
:15:50. > :15:56.get carried away but, yes, the team last night was Prine am -- primarily
:15:57. > :16:00.a dynamic and youthful team. As I say, it was not so much the result
:16:01. > :16:03.but the manner of the performance that was encouraging. It was a good
:16:04. > :16:09.day for English sport because England's cricketers reached the
:16:10. > :16:13.semifinals of the T20 as well. Sian, are you a football fan? No, but I am
:16:14. > :16:16.looking forward... I should say that I support Arsenal because one of my
:16:17. > :16:20.children supports Arsenal but I don't know anything like what Mike
:16:21. > :16:26.just said but I am looking forward to the boat race this afternoon
:16:27. > :16:34.which is on the front page of the Sunday Times which has a nice
:16:35. > :16:37.composite of the female rowers. And Italy to enter. Thank you both for
:16:38. > :16:44.coming in today. And don't forget we will take a look at tomorrow's front
:16:45. > :16:45.pages later on, as we do every evening on BBC News. For now,