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:00:14. > :00:16.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

:00:17. > :00:21.With me are the journalist and author Rachel Shabi

:00:22. > :00:22.and Toby Young, author and associate editor

:00:23. > :00:31.Tomorrow's papers, starting with the FT.

:00:32. > :00:34.The FT's main picture features three serving leaders implicated

:00:35. > :00:38.in the Panama tax leaks story - Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson from Iceland,

:00:39. > :00:41.Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine, and Vladimir Putin.

:00:42. > :00:47.The Kremlin said "Putinphobia" was behind the leaks.

:00:48. > :00:49."Wish you were hiding your money here" is The i's take

:00:50. > :00:55.They say that half the companies exposed are based in

:00:56. > :00:59.The Telegraph lead on a poll claiming that the EU Remain campaign

:01:00. > :01:03.is gaining ground with the headline, "project fear is working".

:01:04. > :01:06.A handful of walnuts a day could help us live longer

:01:07. > :01:08.by preventing heart disease according to research published

:01:09. > :01:13.Back to the Panama Papers in the Guardian.

:01:14. > :01:17.They put David Cameron centre stage, they say the PM has insisted his

:01:18. > :01:20.late father's offshore fund, which avoided paying any tax

:01:21. > :01:26.That's also the top story in The Times.

:01:27. > :01:30.They claim that Ian Cameron's investment fund paid no UK tax

:01:31. > :01:35.And The Mail also go with those leaked documents,

:01:36. > :01:45."Cameron dragged into Tax havens storm."

:01:46. > :01:55.No letters talk about some of those stories. We will start with The

:01:56. > :02:01.Guardian that has access to a lot of the leaked material. Rachel, tell us

:02:02. > :02:06.what they have on their front page. There are going with David Cameron's

:02:07. > :02:11.father. They are focusing on a couple of things on the front page,

:02:12. > :02:16.they followed from these leaks but also David Cameron and the fact that

:02:17. > :02:23.his father avoided paying UK tax. David Cameron has insisted that this

:02:24. > :02:29.is a private matter and he says it was looked into if years ago, or he

:02:30. > :02:37.responded to it if you years ago. This is problematic when the father

:02:38. > :02:44.of the Prime Minister is making use of these tax havens. I don't think

:02:45. > :02:49.it is problematic. There are two things I find really annoying. The

:02:50. > :02:55.liberal left led by The Guardian condemns The Daily Mail as morally

:02:56. > :03:02.disgusting for using Ed Miliband's father to attack him when they ran

:03:03. > :03:07.that story about Ralph Miliband. Why is it acceptable to use David

:03:08. > :03:11.Cameron's father to attack him when it is unacceptable to use Ed

:03:12. > :03:17.Miliband's father to attack him? Whatever your view about the

:03:18. > :03:21.morality of using tax shelters offshore to legally avoid paying

:03:22. > :03:26.tax, I don't see how David Cameron can be held responsible for the

:03:27. > :03:32.actions of his father. If he can then every single Guardian

:03:33. > :03:43.journalist is equally responsible because they use the tags heading in

:03:44. > :03:47.2008. -- they use the tax haven. If the Prime Minister's late father is

:03:48. > :03:51.named in these kinds of documents it would be strange of the newspaper

:03:52. > :03:53.didn't mention it. It would be audited and mention it but the

:03:54. > :04:00.suggestion is that there is something dodgy. He benefited from

:04:01. > :04:05.his father's perfectly legal use of tax shelters, but he had no choice

:04:06. > :04:09.over whether to benefit or not. He had no choice about whether to

:04:10. > :04:12.benefit but he could stop bashing people who do not have the

:04:13. > :04:15.privileges he had, but more importantly he is the Prime

:04:16. > :04:22.ministers since he has the power to close these loopholes. The whole

:04:23. > :04:27.thing that it's still annoying is not who has benefited or not, it is

:04:28. > :04:30.the fact that the people that are benefiting from it are so closely

:04:31. > :04:39.allied to the governments that failed to prevent its. This idea

:04:40. > :04:43.that the Prime Minister has the power to close the loopholes is only

:04:44. > :04:47.partly true, because if you're going to resolve this issue, and you can

:04:48. > :04:53.debate how serious it is, it has to be global. Of course, I'm not saying

:04:54. > :05:00.the David Cameron is any more guilty. There is a conclusion of the

:05:01. > :05:05.leaves are perpetuated the system and they are in it together. It is

:05:06. > :05:10.an important story and it reveals the extent of corruption by

:05:11. > :05:16.political leaders across the globe, but the attempt to turn it into a

:05:17. > :05:18.partisan issue and to use it to bash the Conservatives or capitalism or

:05:19. > :05:23.the leaders in the West is ridiculous. The only way you can

:05:24. > :05:27.improve it is not a partisan story is that there was a progressive

:05:28. > :05:31.Labour government under Jeremy Corbyn and they did not close the

:05:32. > :05:40.loopholes. Then you create accused them of being hypocritical. George

:05:41. > :05:47.Osborne has close more tax loopholes in his six years than Gordon Brown

:05:48. > :05:56.did in ten years. That is why said a progressive Labour government. It

:05:57. > :06:03.strikes me it is not necessarily a left- right issue. The issue of

:06:04. > :06:09.whether people should pay the right amount of tax. That is what is so

:06:10. > :06:15.annoying to most people is the fact that most people are bearing the

:06:16. > :06:19.brunt where we are paying our taxes and taking collective responsibility

:06:20. > :06:28.for the running of the country and elites are not. They are getting a

:06:29. > :06:33.way out. It emerged that the last general election that Labour's

:06:34. > :06:37.greatest and it was the tax avoid. One of the reasons Ken Livingstone

:06:38. > :06:41.lost the mayoral election was because it emerged he was avoiding

:06:42. > :06:45.tax, powerful illegally. This was one of the loopholes that George

:06:46. > :06:53.Osborne shut down. We need to move on. The Financial Times, they are on

:06:54. > :06:56.the same story. They have taken the more international view of it in

:06:57. > :07:03.terms of who else is mentioned and might be feeling uncomfortable. I

:07:04. > :07:09.think this is a blow against David Cameron and it will be forgotten

:07:10. > :07:13.about in 24 hours. I hope it will not. The story about Vladimir Putin

:07:14. > :07:17.is much more serious. The story is that people closely connected to him

:07:18. > :07:24.are funnelling billions of pounds through these offshore tax shelters

:07:25. > :07:29.and investing in the alias industries -- in various industries.

:07:30. > :07:33.It paints a picture of Vladimir Putin at the centre of a web of

:07:34. > :07:44.corruption, which comes as no surprise to anyone who has been

:07:45. > :07:48.following his regime. This will hurt Labour because of links with

:07:49. > :07:56.Vladimir Putin. You are now free styling to ludicrous degree. I am

:07:57. > :08:08.denying that connection. We should focus on... We must... No leader is

:08:09. > :08:14.any less more guilty than the other. To say that Vladimir Putin is more

:08:15. > :08:21.corrupt... To say he is more corrupt then David Cameron is wrong? You

:08:22. > :08:25.have to let me finish one sentence. There are other things coming and we

:08:26. > :08:33.will hear about other leaders. This points to corruption on a scale that

:08:34. > :08:36.is very widespread. I do not think it is justifiable for the Kremlin to

:08:37. > :08:42.accuse the British media or the global media of being against likely

:08:43. > :08:58.near Britain because other leaders have also been accused. -- being

:08:59. > :09:01.against Britain. -- Vladimir Putin. Somehow the accusations against

:09:02. > :09:07.Vladimir Putin cannot be presented as being similar. They are all

:09:08. > :09:15.avoiding paying tax. I'm going to move it all now. There is another

:09:16. > :09:23.subject here you both agree on, Project Fear is working is the front

:09:24. > :09:29.page of The Daily Telegraph. We were talking about this earlier and we do

:09:30. > :09:38.agree that who can trust the polls as they seem to be swinging every

:09:39. > :09:46.day. I don't think anything can be revealed from which way the polls

:09:47. > :09:50.are going, but I do think that the gentleman quoted in this piece has

:09:51. > :09:54.said the one true thing he will ever say which is that the outcome of the

:09:55. > :09:59.referendum will hinge on which side can turn out their supporters. I

:10:00. > :10:05.think that is likely to be the case. I fear that a lot of people will

:10:06. > :10:14.stay at home. I think The Daily Telegraph has over emphasising the

:10:15. > :10:21.results of this poll, the paid for it. It is the telephone poll and

:10:22. > :10:26.generally they show a stronger trend to remain badly. The general trend

:10:27. > :10:31.over the past couple of weeks has been towards leaving rather than

:10:32. > :10:34.remaining, insofar as there is any detectable movement in the polls and

:10:35. > :10:39.we need to take it with our pension of salt especially as they could not

:10:40. > :10:49.affect the last general election results. Rachel made the point about

:10:50. > :10:53.turnout been key. The campaigns are virtually tied at the moment so this

:10:54. > :11:00.idea of the people who are not sure whether they will bother will make a

:11:01. > :11:06.difference. Project Fear doesn't alienate a lot of people. They will

:11:07. > :11:12.be less likely to vote and the lower the turnout than were likely they

:11:13. > :11:15.are to win. You could argue that the campaign to leave is also quite

:11:16. > :11:32.fearful and they are turning people away in equal numbers. Note The

:11:33. > :11:36.Times. They were talking about people preaching jihad. This goes

:11:37. > :11:46.back to 1993. It is a terrible story. The story has been uncovered

:11:47. > :11:51.by Andrew Norfolk from The Times and is producing good journalism these

:11:52. > :11:59.days. This story is that one of the biggest Islamic sects which controls

:12:00. > :12:07.almost half of the 16,000 mosques in Britain invited an extremist cleric

:12:08. > :12:11.for a 30 day visit in 2003. He went on a tour of the mosques lecturing

:12:12. > :12:18.young Muslims and urging them to seek weapons training in Pakistan

:12:19. > :12:22.and they are linking this to one of the London suicide bombers, who it

:12:23. > :12:29.seems attended one of these lectures. It speaks to the wider

:12:30. > :12:35.story about the tolerance within our own news on community for Islamic

:12:36. > :12:39.extremism being far greater than is often claimed by representatives of

:12:40. > :12:47.the Masonic unity. I don't think it points to that at all. This is a

:12:48. > :12:52.really frightening story and it is very troubling if it is true. I

:12:53. > :13:00.don't think there is intolerance for Islamist extremism amongst British

:13:01. > :13:03.Muslim communities. I have spent a lot of time with those people and

:13:04. > :13:11.they are just as worried as anyone else. There was a BBC poll a few

:13:12. > :13:17.years ago after the Charlie Hebdo though murders where a large number

:13:18. > :13:22.of Muslims said that they got what was coming to them. I don't think

:13:23. > :13:28.they said they got what was coming to them. Are we talking about

:13:29. > :13:33.Charlie Hebdo? There is a difference between condemning what happens to

:13:34. > :13:37.the cartoonist which everyone does and, at the same time, questioning

:13:38. > :13:46.the kinds of cartoons they were running. No one is suggesting that

:13:47. > :13:55.to question Charlie Hebdo is to condemn them to death. A bit like to

:13:56. > :14:03.get one more story and if I can. I know you sought earlier ritual. It

:14:04. > :14:10.is in The Telegraph. This is a story saying that magicians are failing to

:14:11. > :14:15.check children because they do not blink as much as adults and the

:14:16. > :14:21.premise of this is that slight of hand happens when you blink and

:14:22. > :14:30.because children do not blink predictably... It seems like

:14:31. > :14:35.complete rubbish. The notion that children are not taken in by magic

:14:36. > :14:39.because they blink too much. When the magician takes the woman out of

:14:40. > :14:45.the cabinets and Solitaire and have, the rest of us are blinking so we do

:14:46. > :14:50.not notice. It was on the front of The Telegraph so it must be true and

:14:51. > :14:53.accurate. On that note thank you both very much.

:14:54. > :14:59.Thank you Rachel Shabi and Toby Young.

:15:00. > :15:06.These headlines have just come in. There is an alarming rise in

:15:07. > :15:11.children self harming. The Daily Mirror says that the Prime Minister

:15:12. > :15:16.also has questions to answer. And The Independent says that Europe

:15:17. > :15:23.closes its doors to refugees under the EU's repulsive. Do not forget

:15:24. > :15:31.that the front pages are lying on the BBC news website where you can

:15:32. > :15:37.read them in detail. You can see us there as well. Each addition of The

:15:38. > :15:42.Papers was posted on the page shortly after we had finished. Now

:15:43. > :15:58.it is time for the weather. The heaviest of the showers have now

:15:59. > :16:01.faded away. There was thunder and lightning earlier Ron but that is

:16:02. > :16:03.now mostly gone. For the rest of the night