:00:19. > :00:22.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be
:00:23. > :00:25.With me are the broadcaster Julia Hartley-Brewer
:00:26. > :00:26.and the political commentator Lance Price.
:00:27. > :00:33.The FT leads with the Treasury analysis about the possible impact
:00:34. > :00:37.The paper says the Justice Secretary Michael Gove will launch a "stinging
:00:38. > :00:41.The i newspaper says Mr Gove will claim the Chancellor
:00:42. > :00:43.is "treating the public like children with scare stories".
:00:44. > :00:46.The Mail focuses on one part of the Treasury document
:00:47. > :00:52.which claimed migration will bring 3 million people to the UK.
:00:53. > :01:00.-- which suggests millions more people will migrate to the UK.
:01:01. > :01:03.The Guardian leads on the same story - saying the Tory faultlines
:01:04. > :01:07.The picture is shows a nun from Northern Ireland who was killed
:01:08. > :01:10.The Metro has the latest on the celebrity injunction battle.
:01:11. > :01:12.It reports that the individual concerned has spent ?1
:01:13. > :01:24.According to the Telegraph Britain is preparing to send troops to Libya
:01:25. > :01:27.to help in the battle against so-called Islamic State
:01:28. > :01:28.without asking for Parliament's permission.
:01:29. > :01:30.According to the Express a cure for Alzheimer's with daily
:01:31. > :01:33.injections of a new drug could be just five years away.
:01:34. > :01:34.The picture shows the Ronnie Corbett's widow
:01:35. > :01:38.And the Mirror says the detective leading the hunt
:01:39. > :01:40.for Madeleine McCann has insisted she may still be found alive.
:01:41. > :01:44.Julia, will we start with the Guardian? Michael Gove, pro-EU camp
:01:45. > :01:46.treats us Lake children. Tory fault lines are widening. It is getting
:01:47. > :01:50.nasty, isn't it -- like children. Yes, it is getting nasty. I think
:01:51. > :01:56.George Osborne overpaid his hand when he announced the 200 page
:01:57. > :02:01.document with these bogus figures, ?4300 per household, given that the
:02:02. > :02:04.prediction in his budget reports do not even get the figure is right for
:02:05. > :02:07.the next three months. Unlikely we would know what would happen in
:02:08. > :02:14.2030. His figures are made up, utterly meaningless. No Economist
:02:15. > :02:18.ever uses these terms, GDP per household, and I agree with Michael
:02:19. > :02:20.Gove, that actually treating people like children like this, creating
:02:21. > :02:24.these bogeyman and scare stories, it is undermining that actually
:02:25. > :02:28.democratic debate. I am a Eurosceptic and I know how I will
:02:29. > :02:32.vote and you are Europhile and you know how you will board but when you
:02:33. > :02:35.look at all the undecided voters, they are crying out for the facts.
:02:36. > :02:39.If the Argent could be one for either side on the facts, let's stop
:02:40. > :02:43.playing around with silly nonsense and scaremongering and speak about
:02:44. > :02:47.facts, what we actually know. There was nothing in that treasury
:02:48. > :02:56.document. Mac the public being treated like children, Lance? No, I
:02:57. > :03:00.don't think they are. -- Lance, I the public being treated like
:03:01. > :03:06.children. What is interesting about this is that this was not a party
:03:07. > :03:09.political or Remain document. This was a Government document, Treasury
:03:10. > :03:12.figures. Yet you have members of the same Government saying you cannot
:03:13. > :03:16.believe the figures the Treasury putting out so in the longer term,
:03:17. > :03:19.in terms of trying to put the Tory party and the Government back
:03:20. > :03:22.together again after all of this, the way in which it has become
:03:23. > :03:29.personal like this and you have ministers, serving ministers in the
:03:30. > :03:31.Cabinet, are -- arguing about whether official Government
:03:32. > :03:36.statistics can be trusted, I think the Tories have got themselves into
:03:37. > :03:45.trouble. Absolutely. Interestingly they have not asked the budget for
:03:46. > :03:49.-- OBR to give predictions for Brexit, and that is because they are
:03:50. > :03:53.independent. These Treasury ministers were not chosen for their
:03:54. > :03:56.independence, they were chosen because that would fit the
:03:57. > :04:01.Government line. Went back as far as you are aware, is anyone from the
:04:02. > :04:06.Leave camp going to be going to the OBR for their own figures... Go the
:04:07. > :04:09.not allowed to. Isn't that part of the problem, you have a vacuum here
:04:10. > :04:19.of information and that vacuum of information is being filled by the
:04:20. > :04:23.Treasury, by the In camp. Berger independent bodies like the London
:04:24. > :04:26.School of economics and others have come up with their own surveys who
:04:27. > :04:29.are independent, you would agree. They have come broadly to the same
:04:30. > :04:34.conclusion as the Treasury that there will be a cost. I completely
:04:35. > :04:39.accept... There would be a cost if there is a Labour Government in 2020
:04:40. > :04:41.there are costs to any change that happens at the national Government.
:04:42. > :04:44.Samak let's look at the cost of pulling out and staying in and we
:04:45. > :04:51.can have a proper comparison. # Let's look at the cost. You cannot
:04:52. > :04:59.compare like with like. The point is we cannot predict... But how can you
:05:00. > :05:04.have a campaign to get the UK to vote to leave the European Union
:05:05. > :05:08.when you are saying there aren't any facts... We're not saying that. We
:05:09. > :05:13.are seeing you cannot predict what will happen in 2030 or even 2020 if
:05:14. > :05:16.we voted to leave on the 23rd of June. The point is we do not know
:05:17. > :05:20.what the deal will be. We do know what the strength in our argument
:05:21. > :05:23.about how good the deal can be if actually we negotiate well. David
:05:24. > :05:27.Cameron, of the last year, said Britain will prosper whether we
:05:28. > :05:31.leave the EU or whether we stay in the EU. Nicola Sturgeon, herself,
:05:32. > :05:34.who wants to stay in the European Union. She came out and said this
:05:35. > :05:39.kind of thing is not helping, it is not helping at all, it is just scare
:05:40. > :05:42.Michael Gove, then you should not Michael Gove, then you should not
:05:43. > :05:47.read it here could before bedtime -- if you believe Michael Gove. There
:05:48. > :05:51.is a real question about whether or not people will make up their minds
:05:52. > :05:54.on the basis of these documents. Ordinary and sensible people will
:05:55. > :06:00.not read them. Samak then they will say, hang on, OK, we have gone
:06:01. > :06:04.through the figures and these are the figures were Coltishall might
:06:05. > :06:08.well have some impact on people's thinking and I hope it does but we
:06:09. > :06:15.have to decide on the basis of figures, on the basis of fact, not
:06:16. > :06:18.just raw emotion. It is not raw emotion! The problem with the Leave
:06:19. > :06:23.campaign is that they know what they are up against, the EU, but they do
:06:24. > :06:26.not know what they are for. Do not tell people like me, part of the
:06:27. > :06:30.Brexit campaigners, do not tell people like me that I do not know
:06:31. > :06:38.with them for. I am for democracy, sovereignty... No, we don't have to
:06:39. > :06:43.have... Norway is a tiny little country with little negotiating
:06:44. > :06:46.power, Canada, beggar, but not an economy like ours. We have far more
:06:47. > :06:50.power. If you see is living the Germans and the French are going to
:06:51. > :06:53.say, we don't want to sell to Britain any more, you are
:06:54. > :06:56.certifiably insane. There is nothing negative about her belief in your
:06:57. > :06:59.country being able to make its own laws and control its own borders.
:07:00. > :07:06.There is nothing negative about that at all. It is positive. My point
:07:07. > :07:11.again is it is a belief. It is not believe... You just said it was.
:07:12. > :07:16.Believing the EU should control how we run our country is a belief. 200
:07:17. > :07:20.page document. Mac that is my point. Facts and figures, black and white,
:07:21. > :07:26.call the hard stuff -- that my point. There are plenty of figures
:07:27. > :07:32.about how many of our laws... Lets get exact figures. What the Daily
:07:33. > :07:37.Mail has alighted on, Lance, is the suggestion that it do 2030, there
:07:38. > :07:41.will be a hell of a lot more immigrants coming to this country as
:07:42. > :07:45.a result of us being in the European Union, and this is the kind of thing
:07:46. > :07:49.that scares people. It does and it goes back to the point I was making
:07:50. > :07:52.earlier that this is an official Government document that shows the
:07:53. > :07:56.Government is going to miss its own targets on migration because the
:07:57. > :08:00.basis of the calculations drawn up is that whether we stay in or leave
:08:01. > :08:08.there will be more immigrants coming into the country than the Government
:08:09. > :08:13.is aiming to... Many more. Once again, can you trust Government
:08:14. > :08:15.predictions? And at the end of all this will close Government
:08:16. > :08:20.productions be even less credible than they were at the beginning?
:08:21. > :08:26.Julia, the cold hard facts. According to... Our own figures,
:08:27. > :08:28.they are predicated on the idea there will be 3 million more
:08:29. > :08:31.immigrants in the population and given one of the biggest issues
:08:32. > :08:35.people are concerned about, not the biggest, the economy being the
:08:36. > :08:38.biggest, but emigration is one of the key issues and controlling our
:08:39. > :08:42.border in the EU referendum... This just shows part of the deal if we
:08:43. > :08:46.stay in the EU is that we will have open borders and as things go more
:08:47. > :08:51.and more wrong in the EU economies, not just southern economies but in
:08:52. > :08:54.countries like France and Italy, where they are facing crisis
:08:55. > :08:57.imminently, we will see more people coming to Britain. Unless we are
:08:58. > :09:02.going to create an extra 3 million jobs then that is British people's
:09:03. > :09:07.jobs that are going. OK, let's go to the Metro, Julia. The inner bed
:09:08. > :09:11.stars ?1 million bid to keep his gag. The Court of Appeal has said
:09:12. > :09:15.that so many people know the name of this person and his family that
:09:16. > :09:19.there is no point keeping this injunction -- three in a bed. But we
:09:20. > :09:25.cannot see the name now because he has been given leave to appeal. Does
:09:26. > :09:30.that mean the end pretty much of this kind of celebrity injunction --
:09:31. > :09:33.we cannot fight back. I thought they had ended some time ago. Once we had
:09:34. > :09:37.the Internet and people were free to search on things like Twitter. I am
:09:38. > :09:41.very much a believer in people's right to privacy, if they are not
:09:42. > :09:45.doing anything criminally wrong or against anyone's consent. If this
:09:46. > :09:48.couple want an open marriage, that is entirely up to them and, frankly,
:09:49. > :09:53.I would rather not know about it. But for them to go to court when
:09:54. > :09:56.they claim they have rights to privacy when they are known for
:09:57. > :10:00.parading their family life, their children, to an extent I think
:10:01. > :10:04.personally appalling for any celebrity, basically selling their
:10:05. > :10:07.children's visit, I just do not think they have a leg to stand on.
:10:08. > :10:11.Sign of what is clear is that the decision they went through, at least
:10:12. > :10:16.one of them, perhaps both -- and what is clear. The route they were
:10:17. > :10:20.due to seek this injunction, and we can think who the story is about
:10:21. > :10:22.because it is not that difficult to find out if you can use the
:10:23. > :10:29.intranet. But, you know, had the story appeared, probably it would
:10:30. > :10:33.have come and gone -- the intranet. You would think, yes, big deal, so
:10:34. > :10:36.what, up to them. But what they have done is create this massive interest
:10:37. > :10:41.that would not otherwise have been there. They have people speaking
:10:42. > :10:45.about it and when the time comes, presumably, I mean, it is very hard
:10:46. > :10:49.to believe... But did they do that or did the press do that? The press
:10:50. > :10:56.have done it as a punishment for them getting an injunction but as a
:10:57. > :11:00.general rule if you do not want people to find out you are having
:11:01. > :11:04.threesomes I would say, don't have threesomes. What is to stop a media
:11:05. > :11:12.paper on instructing or making clear to his or her offshoot in the United
:11:13. > :11:18.States or Australia, publish. The already have, that is the thing. In
:11:19. > :11:21.Scotland, it is already... People are watching this right now who can
:11:22. > :11:24.read it in the paper. When they are fundamentally undermining the
:11:25. > :11:27.injunction. It is not just that the intranet is there, this baseless
:11:28. > :11:32.thing suddenly putting this story out there, it is the press whipping
:11:33. > :11:35.this up, -- faceless thing. The press are encouraging that because
:11:36. > :11:41.they could not get published. And encouraging people to search on the
:11:42. > :11:43.Internet. In a sense, yes, but these people are world-famous
:11:44. > :11:49.entertainment figures, public figures. Apparently. Apparently, if
:11:50. > :11:53.they are those people, and perhaps they might be! Therefore, you know,
:11:54. > :12:00.if it is a news story of any interest at all, and the American
:12:01. > :12:05.National Enquirer or whatever, it will be a story, a story in America,
:12:06. > :12:09.so how do they possibly say taking out an injunction just in Britain,
:12:10. > :12:15.which does not even cover Scotland, would possibly ever worked? Giving a
:12:16. > :12:18.key thing to point out is we do believe in the freedom of the press
:12:19. > :12:22.and that is the trade-off between the right to privacy and the freedom
:12:23. > :12:25.of the press and the national interest, and I personally do not
:12:26. > :12:28.think there is any public interest in the story. You're right. If you
:12:29. > :12:34.live your life in the media, it is very hard... Yes, tough, quite
:12:35. > :12:39.frankly. The Daily Telegraph. Lance, what is going on in Libya? The
:12:40. > :12:44.Foreign Secretary was there today, meeting the new go Prime Minister,
:12:45. > :12:48.belatedly and desperately trying to prop up this new administration in
:12:49. > :12:53.the hope that -- the new go Prime Minister. In the hope it can
:12:54. > :12:56.gradually build up some authority and push back so-called Islamic
:12:57. > :13:02.State and so on. As part of that, the government has said it will or
:13:03. > :13:06.is prepared to send his troops out to help train the Libyan forces
:13:07. > :13:09.which is not unusual. That happened in other countries before but there
:13:10. > :13:14.is a bit of an art of whether they can should do that without going to
:13:15. > :13:17.Parliament first. -- bit of an argument about whether. The
:13:18. > :13:22.Government is saying that quite rightly the rules are fairly clear,
:13:23. > :13:24.they can do that, it is not a combat mission. There are questions over
:13:25. > :13:29.whether there are security would still be at risk, because they would
:13:30. > :13:34.be identified as a sort of foreign incursion, and also whether, you
:13:35. > :13:39.know mission creep. We have seen in other theatres, it starts off is
:13:40. > :13:43.training the local forces, then it, they find themselves... I have never
:13:44. > :13:48.been of the view the prime ministers should give up his prerogative to
:13:49. > :13:51.send our troops to war, that he is the leader of the Armed Forces --
:13:52. > :13:57.that the prime ministers should give up. I think that was wrong for Prime
:13:58. > :14:01.Ministers to hand up her over. And for Cameron to do that in Syria last
:14:02. > :14:04.time around. We will have to ended there. Unbelievable. Many thanks. To
:14:05. > :14:09.Lance and Julia. Before you go these front pages have
:14:10. > :14:18.come in while we've been on air: The end of celebrity injunction is,
:14:19. > :14:23.in the Times. Well the Daily Telegraph to back claims Britain is
:14:24. > :14:29.good to send troops to Libya without Parliament permission. The Sun says
:14:30. > :14:35.let 3 million more in to the UK. That is of course according to the
:14:36. > :14:36.Treasury documents released today. Much more coming up.
:14:37. > :14:39.Don't forget all the front pages are online on the BBC News website
:14:40. > :14:42.where you can read a detailed review of the papers.
:14:43. > :14:45.It's all there for you - seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -
:14:46. > :14:47.and you can see us there too, with each night's edition
:14:48. > :14:51.of the Papers being posted on the page shortly after we've