:00:00. > :00:16.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:17. > :00:19.With me are Jenny Anderson, author and reporter for Quartz.com,
:00:20. > :00:26.and Martin Bentham, Home Affairs Editor at The Standard.
:00:27. > :00:28.Let's take a look at what the papers are saying.
:00:29. > :00:31.The Observer reports that US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton
:00:32. > :00:34.shares Barack Obama's opposition to the UK leaving the EU.
:00:35. > :00:36.The Mail leads on Boris Johnson's anger at Mr Obama's intervention
:00:37. > :00:42.The Sunday Telegraph says pregnant women are among those whose hospital
:00:43. > :00:45.treatment has been postponed ahead of the first all-out
:00:46. > :00:52.The Sunday Times reports that this year the super-rich have suffered
:00:53. > :00:55.the worst decline in their fortunes since the financial crisis.
:00:56. > :00:58.The Independent carries a photo of one of the many events to mark
:00:59. > :01:01.the 400th anniversary of Shakespeare's death.
:01:02. > :01:04.Its main story is about a hospital in Lancashire asking
:01:05. > :01:09.The Sunday Express says that cold calling firms could face fines of up
:01:10. > :01:14.And the Sunday Mirror has a photograph of what it says
:01:15. > :01:17.are the ashes of the singer Prince being carried to a car
:01:18. > :01:42.It has been the worst week for the Brexit campaign. Absolutely. We had
:01:43. > :01:50.Boris Johnson channelling his inner Donald Trump vaguely racist comments
:01:51. > :01:56.about Barack Obama and completely fabricated facts about the busts. We
:01:57. > :02:01.had PMQ and David Cameron did a great job, and President Obama
:02:02. > :02:04.stayed the demand that everything would be just fine if Britain were
:02:05. > :02:09.to leave the EU in terms of trade with the US. What did you make of
:02:10. > :02:13.it, particularly Boris Johnson because various papers have given
:02:14. > :02:16.him a hammering. The Winston Churchill bust. There are real
:02:17. > :02:19.issues of substance facing the British people and he goes on about
:02:20. > :02:28.whether the Churchill bust was or was not removed by Barack Obama. It
:02:29. > :02:32.is a classic bit of Boris hyperbole. The actual explanation is rather
:02:33. > :02:38.different, that Churchill is still very close and just making room for
:02:39. > :02:43.Martin Luther King. It is a classic bit of Boris hyperbole, that maybe
:02:44. > :02:46.some of what he said around the edges he would regret, but I suppose
:02:47. > :02:52.his key point remains that it is about sovereignty and Barack Obama
:02:53. > :03:02.of physique has a perfect right to say what he wants to say about what
:03:03. > :03:05.he thinks the impact would be, but Boris disagrees with that and he
:03:06. > :03:08.believes that our ability to control our personal affairs is the main
:03:09. > :03:12.thing. He has dressed it up in the usual way with lots of colour and
:03:13. > :03:17.examples which are somewhat over the top, but the argument remains the
:03:18. > :03:21.same. Interestingly, they took the debate away from immigration, which
:03:22. > :03:27.is where I think the Brexit campaign has a good case to make. There was a
:03:28. > :03:31.strong case made earlier this week about immigration, but the whole
:03:32. > :03:36.debate became economics and trade, and in that sense we are saying this
:03:37. > :03:41.is the worst week ever. Were you surprised that a president was so
:03:42. > :03:44.clear about this? Foreign leaders, generally, don't interfere when
:03:45. > :03:50.there is an election or referendum. Not only did he say back of the
:03:51. > :03:54.queue, but in a BBC interview he said it could take five or ten years
:03:55. > :03:59.because trade deals, and he is right about this, are very complicated so
:04:00. > :04:06.they can take a long time if there is no particular will to push ahead.
:04:07. > :04:09.I am surprised that the US batted in, but actually I am not surprised!
:04:10. > :04:16.This is a consequential debate and the US would be silly to not weigh
:04:17. > :04:19.in. If you imagine the outcome, say Britain leaves and there are
:04:20. > :04:25.problems, everyone would turn to the US and ask why they said nothing. It
:04:26. > :04:32.is damp if they do, dammed if you don't scenario, but I think he has a
:04:33. > :04:36.right to say your decision, but here is our opinion, and by the way we
:04:37. > :04:39.are and important factor in this decision because the exit campaign
:04:40. > :04:46.has really stated everything will be fine if we stay in, but Obama wanted
:04:47. > :04:53.to say what we think about this agreement. I think actually the idea
:04:54. > :04:57.that we turn around to the US and say, why did you not help us? I
:04:58. > :05:06.disagree with that. I think people don't expect anyone else to help us
:05:07. > :05:11.out, so to speak. Going back to the point you just made about Barack
:05:12. > :05:15.Obama, I think he did speak more robust than was expected, even on
:05:16. > :05:23.his own side. Today, he has slightly changed his tune. He's said five or
:05:24. > :05:26.ten years, not quite the back of the queue, but at the same time there is
:05:27. > :05:30.not an EU trade deal at the moment. He has been there for eight years
:05:31. > :05:34.and there has not yet been won. There is potentially going to be
:05:35. > :05:37.one, although the US president candidates have all expressed
:05:38. > :05:43.reservations about various aspects of it. In the spread of history,
:05:44. > :05:47.even five or ten years, if we are fighting about something, in the
:05:48. > :05:52.last vote it was 50 years ago, even if it does take some time to
:05:53. > :05:59.achieve, the balance them is between the economic price that that might
:06:00. > :06:05.cause us, although some would argue there isn't one, against the issue
:06:06. > :06:10.of sovereignty and democratic control. Part of the argument also
:06:11. > :06:15.raised is that he is not quite a has-been but he is on his way out.
:06:16. > :06:19.But Hillary Clinton's intervention, or at least to a senior staff
:06:20. > :06:24.member, suggests she is slightly more likely thought to be the next
:06:25. > :06:27.president of the US, we don't know what number Trump would do if he
:06:28. > :06:33.became the American President, let's not go down that road just now, but
:06:34. > :06:40.she is saying something similar, isn't she? Not surprising. With your
:06:41. > :06:43.experience of Washington, certainly in my eight years I never met a
:06:44. > :06:49.senior American politician who thought it would be a great idea for
:06:50. > :06:52.Britain to leave. I have never met anyone who would disagree with what
:06:53. > :06:55.President Obama said. There are two components to this. One is that they
:06:56. > :07:01.don't have any sense as to what some of the frustrations are because, as
:07:02. > :07:05.you say, from the hypocritical point they don't know, they have quite a
:07:06. > :07:10.bit of sovereignty and they exercise it quite aggressively all the time.
:07:11. > :07:15.For them to say, you know, that is the conventional wisdom but very few
:07:16. > :07:20.people have a sense of some of the frustrations of being part of that
:07:21. > :07:25.kind of block. Could we move on to the mail was my great take on this
:07:26. > :07:36.story, Boris rage at ridiculous we had a Obama. Extort restatement --
:07:37. > :07:39.extraordinary statement. Inside page 29, Andrew Gibson, the biographer of
:07:40. > :07:44.Boris Johnson, says after that stinging slap down, it begs the
:07:45. > :07:50.question, has Obamacare busted Boris? It is quite a clever
:07:51. > :07:53.headline. What do you make of this? To go back to the issues of
:07:54. > :07:56.substance, when you have got somebody who is at least seem to be
:07:57. > :08:02.the figurehead of a campaign, and who is talking about a bust of the
:08:03. > :08:06.leader of the inactive state being half Kenyan and him being irrelevant
:08:07. > :08:13.and so on, where is the real issues of substance are not, according to
:08:14. > :08:17.some of his people on his side, being addressed. It is not doing
:08:18. > :08:23.very well? No, I think there is a fair criticism there, if you look at
:08:24. > :08:27.Michael Gove, for example, he takes the same view as Boris Johnson about
:08:28. > :08:32.the fundamental issue and he has been more measured in his comments,
:08:33. > :08:36.although he did give a speech this week in that direction. If you are
:08:37. > :08:40.looking at it through the prism of who is going to be the next
:08:41. > :08:42.Conservative leader, some people think that Boris Johnson, and the
:08:43. > :08:47.fact that he took a long time to decide which way he was going to
:08:48. > :08:51.jump on this, some people see it as he is positioning himself to take
:08:52. > :08:55.over from David Cameron, and that is why he has taken this position. If
:08:56. > :09:00.you look at it through this prism, and then you think actually he is
:09:01. > :09:04.indulging in cheap shots, which is the allegation, that is not very
:09:05. > :09:10.statesman-like, and that therefore could be damaging. I think there is
:09:11. > :09:13.something in that. Of course, those who favour his arguments will
:09:14. > :09:17.probably not be too worried about that, but in the middle ground of
:09:18. > :09:23.the Tory party, if it exists at all in this area, it might lead people
:09:24. > :09:27.to question whether he is sufficiently dramatic. What did you
:09:28. > :09:31.make of it because again there is a case that he is making, which was
:09:32. > :09:36.right at the very start of our discussions here, George Osborne
:09:37. > :09:42.made a comment about suggesting that this is not a joke, you can't treat
:09:43. > :09:46.this lightly, it is such a serious matter, and he did not mention Boris
:09:47. > :09:51.Johnson macro shot. Him saying actually on this issue he is a
:09:52. > :09:55.lightweight, he does not argue the substance of the issues. He does and
:09:56. > :09:59.there is plenty to argue on the substance. There is so much in there
:10:00. > :10:03.with trade, immigration, the economy, sovereignty. There is a lot
:10:04. > :10:07.to work with here, and to go down this road when there is this
:10:08. > :10:11.caricature running for president of the United States and everyone here
:10:12. > :10:14.making fun of him, to assume that mantle of trivialising things,
:10:15. > :10:20.making things up, insulting comments, bringing the level of
:10:21. > :10:27.civil discourse down quite a bit, I think he has damaged itself quite a
:10:28. > :10:31.bit. To be fair to him, he has also focused, he has been quoted in the
:10:32. > :10:38.Mail on Sunday, nobody has come close to answering my point, the US
:10:39. > :10:47.is commenting on something they were themselves would never dream of
:10:48. > :10:51.doing. He does address that, but... But do you think that argument is
:10:52. > :10:56.actually cutting through question or even Barack Obama's argue at cutting
:10:57. > :11:01.through? The question is, does any of this matter? This visit and this
:11:02. > :11:04.argument, does he have a right to make a case question mark the
:11:05. > :11:08.question is, does it matter? He has a right to make a case, and it
:11:09. > :11:12.probably does matter to an extent in that you have had George Osborne
:11:13. > :11:18.this week saying, because the strongest argument is the economic
:11:19. > :11:22.one, and the rest of it is not as strong, national-security, there may
:11:23. > :11:26.be a marginal benefit to remaining in, but I think it is fairly
:11:27. > :11:31.marginal will stop on the immigration thing, it is a key issue
:11:32. > :11:37.for some come about on trade and the economy, that is the strongest
:11:38. > :11:42.weapon. I think actually when you have got George Osborne and the
:11:43. > :11:45.government saying it repeatedly saying it officially, and then you
:11:46. > :11:52.have got the president of the United States coming in, there has been a
:11:53. > :11:56.lot of coverage of it, and I think that will affect some people, and
:11:57. > :12:00.that is the way that most people who vote stay in. I think they will be
:12:01. > :12:04.scared of the potential negative consequences, and it is all about
:12:05. > :12:07.the point of view of the Remain people think that there is too much
:12:08. > :12:13.of a risk economic league. I don't think they will lose, but that is
:12:14. > :12:18.what they will lose if they can't win that battle. There are two
:12:19. > :12:22.months to go and then I will be so many more reports coming out. He is
:12:23. > :12:32.a lame duck president, but a lot can happen in two months. This is an
:12:33. > :12:40.emotional issue. People will base their decision on some facts, but
:12:41. > :12:43.mainly on emotion. Facts completed beyond the control of any
:12:44. > :12:47.politician, for example a terrorist attack or boats coming across. Yes,
:12:48. > :12:52.people will vote based on how they feel that day. One other point about
:12:53. > :12:56.what was said here, she speech yesterday where he talked about
:12:57. > :13:03.rejecting cynicism and encouraging the young to engage in politics, I
:13:04. > :13:07.fully agree with that, people should get involved and take part. But if
:13:08. > :13:11.young people in this country listen to that message and actually them
:13:12. > :13:16.vote in the referendum, most opinion polls show the young are more likely
:13:17. > :13:27.to vote in favour, though funnily enough it could have an impact that
:13:28. > :13:32.way! That is a good point. The express says Obama bully boy tactics
:13:33. > :13:39.and we have already touched on that. That could backfire. Let's move on
:13:40. > :13:43.to the Sunday Times Rich list. There are two views about which lists. One
:13:44. > :13:47.says it is fantastic because it sells newspapers, but the other is
:13:48. > :13:57.and I am a bit like this, I hate stories like this. I find it really
:13:58. > :14:01.boring. I am going to have two side with the editor of the Times and say
:14:02. > :14:06.run the list, get the readers. Dirty pleasures, right? If this is your
:14:07. > :14:11.worst vice. One of them. What did you make of it. The poor rich are
:14:12. > :14:18.poorer than they were before, but they are still extremely rich. Let
:14:19. > :14:24.me find my very small violin. The numbers are still staggering, and
:14:25. > :14:28.there is a huge impact here from the commodities slump and let's not
:14:29. > :14:31.underestimate that, and let's not underestimate the fact that can
:14:32. > :14:34.change frequently. A lot of people have lost a view of their many
:14:35. > :14:41.billions because of what is happening in those markets. Oil
:14:42. > :14:45.might not, from where it is right now, it might not be heading back to
:14:46. > :14:48.100, but it might do better. For many of these people, this is a
:14:49. > :14:54.temporary phenomenon. The point I found most exciting was busier you
:14:55. > :14:58.need at least ?103 million to make it onto the rich list. Rate of
:14:59. > :15:04.growth is slowing, so the rich are not getting so much richer as fast
:15:05. > :15:11.as they have been. The question is, is inequality, is the art of justice
:15:12. > :15:23.finally coming back towards... Less inequality? It has a long way to go.
:15:24. > :15:29.What did you make of this, Martin? It does not entirely excites me
:15:30. > :15:33.because it is so far out of the stratosphere of any normal person's
:15:34. > :15:40.reality, and also some of it is slightly artificial as you say, it
:15:41. > :15:44.is all about movements in the commodities markets and so one, so
:15:45. > :15:47.some of these figures will go back up again. The other interesting
:15:48. > :15:51.thing is you get more and more people coming from the creative arts
:15:52. > :15:56.world and so on, the sports world, making an appearance in it. You have
:15:57. > :15:59.got Sasha Baron Cohen who is on the list for the first time. Lewis
:16:00. > :16:07.Hamilton is on it. 106 minute pounds. You have got the Beckham is
:16:08. > :16:11.on it. They are behind the Queen. There is a changing nature there, I
:16:12. > :16:20.suppose, people making an awful lot of money out of sporting prowess and
:16:21. > :16:24.TV, films and so one, and that is perhaps the changing nature of this.
:16:25. > :16:31.One thing that struck me is that I have not heard of most of these
:16:32. > :16:34.people. Nor have we. I the sea move in the wrong circles. You read about
:16:35. > :16:40.them and I think, I know the product or that sector, steal or coal
:16:41. > :16:47.whatever it is, the Barclay brothers, but a lot of them are not
:16:48. > :16:53.people, they are under the radar. Another interesting point to this is
:16:54. > :16:56.why did we even like these lists, but I think the Panama papers
:16:57. > :17:00.revealed that we don't actually have any idea how much money anybody has,
:17:01. > :17:06.so there is something to be said about these numbers. Of course there
:17:07. > :17:13.are very rich people, but they in no way are representative of the actual
:17:14. > :17:23.wealth. Let's move on my finally, to the Queen's birthday celebrations.
:17:24. > :17:26.There are some absolutely lovely pic pictures of the Royal family and of
:17:27. > :17:35.the Queen herself. Whatever anyone thinks of the monarchy, she has done
:17:36. > :17:38.an amazing job. She has and the tributes are all incredibly well
:17:39. > :17:45.deserved. She is one of my favourite people in the world. That holds true
:17:46. > :17:47.for many other people, including 70 roles in other countries who were
:17:48. > :17:53.calling the palace wish her a happy birthday. It is the three macro
:17:54. > :18:02.heart-warming. Yes, the good news story of the week. People singing
:18:03. > :18:06.happy birthday down the phone line! One other thing, which has kind of
:18:07. > :18:10.been touched on this week, is how much the popularity of the monarchy
:18:11. > :18:13.as an institution depends on the popularity of the monarch. It is
:18:14. > :18:20.difficult to find anyone who has a bad word to say about the Queen, but
:18:21. > :18:22.that not delete macro does not necessarily mean that the
:18:23. > :18:33.institution is still something we like... It will seem worried about
:18:34. > :18:37.whether that mantle might pass. Obviously she will be impossible for
:18:38. > :18:49.anyone to follow, but on the other hand, I think you are right, the
:18:50. > :18:53.change in mood when she has been Queen, with the death of Diana and
:18:54. > :18:58.so on, there has been a tremendous success bringing it back into
:18:59. > :19:02.national popularity, and the Queen has done brilliantly. At at that
:19:03. > :19:08.period it looked rather differently. It is also interesting, the
:19:09. > :19:12.photographs of President Obama with Prince George and the families, and
:19:13. > :19:16.he is to seek comfortable about talking about his family, is
:19:17. > :19:19.children and so on. There is a difficult balance. But the so much
:19:20. > :19:25.in the public eye to know how much to actually give of your real life,
:19:26. > :19:30.your family life. It is a tough balance. Everyone must want some
:19:31. > :19:34.privacy, but you sign up for these roles and you have to share some of
:19:35. > :19:40.this. We saw a bit of that for sure. Back to the point of the Queen, with
:19:41. > :19:46.all the volatility and the rise of Isis and so much uncertainty in the
:19:47. > :19:49.world, part of the state fast rock nature of the monarchy, people are
:19:50. > :19:53.turning to that right now because there is so much uncertainty
:19:54. > :19:57.everywhere else. I be what happens in the rest of the world will define
:19:58. > :20:00.this a little bit macro people respect people performing public
:20:01. > :20:04.duty. That is why people delete macro Prince Charles will do well
:20:05. > :20:08.because he clearly seeks to do his duty as a public servant and I think
:20:09. > :20:11.people like that. Indeed, thank you both for joining us.
:20:12. > :20:13.Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrow's front pages
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:20:47. > :20:51.Hello. More cloud around compared with yesterday, but still some
:20:52. > :20:57.sunshine breaking through every now and again. The early rain in the
:20:58. > :20:59.south-east has