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:00:00. > :00:13.The mother and a third child have been seriously injured.

:00:14. > :00:16.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

:00:17. > :00:21.With me are the broadcaster John Stapleton and the former

:00:22. > :00:27.government minister and vote leave campaigner Esther McVey.

:00:28. > :00:35.your first time with us, thank you. Thank you. You will keep us in good

:00:36. > :00:45.order. Yes, it will be very civilised. Tomorrow's from pages,

:00:46. > :00:49.starting with the Independent. Online as criticism from a group of

:00:50. > :00:52.academics that both sides of the EU referendum are making misleading and

:00:53. > :00:56.inaccurate statements. The Justice Secretary Michael Gove has written

:00:57. > :01:00.in the Times that a free for all EU migration will put the NHS at risk.

:01:01. > :01:09.The uncertainty facing the high-street retailer BHS is the top

:01:10. > :01:13.story in the Guardian, with reports almost 11,000 jobs are at risk.

:01:14. > :01:16.According to the metro girls as young as three are being sold by

:01:17. > :01:21.their families for less than ?400 following the earthquake in Nepal.

:01:22. > :01:30.Green belt under siege. That's the headline in the i. The FT says

:01:31. > :01:37.Heathrow faces funding black hole for transport links to the airport,

:01:38. > :01:40.third runway goes ahead. New Day leads on scientists and launching

:01:41. > :01:44.new research into miscarriages. The express wants a snowy blast will

:01:45. > :01:48.sweep across Britain over the next ten days. It wouldn't be right if we

:01:49. > :02:00.didn't start with the EU referendum. Here it is on the Independent. The

:02:01. > :02:03.verdict on the EU campaigns, actor -- academics criticising both sides.

:02:04. > :02:11.Interesting pictures, they look like they are singing to each other. Kiss

:02:12. > :02:17.and make up! Neither side coming out well in this. Well, maybe both sides

:02:18. > :02:20.have had so much passion behind and they have as many people as they can

:02:21. > :02:28.behind it, so they are getting a bit carried away. Then they are saying

:02:29. > :02:32.it would cost every family ?3400, and the Alt say ?450 a week.

:02:33. > :02:41.Temperatures are being raised either way. I guess going back to Barack

:02:42. > :02:45.Obama, that raised... The president, he has raised the temperature is as

:02:46. > :02:49.well somewhat. I thought it was interesting that we need to look at

:02:50. > :02:54.what he said when he is talking about trade deals. We don't have a

:02:55. > :02:59.trade deal with America. Europe hasn't got one. And we've happily

:03:00. > :03:11.traded all this time and we have 56 billion going either way. We have

:03:12. > :03:17.TTIP. Yes, controversial. Jeremy Corbyn was an out. When Barack Obama

:03:18. > :03:25.came over here, and he is fully entitled to say what he wants to

:03:26. > :03:30.say, but what's in America's interests... He wants TTIP. Now he

:03:31. > :03:35.wants and is desperate to have it. It is in America's interests not

:03:36. > :03:39.necessarily ours. I think the headline sums up what many people

:03:40. > :03:44.including myself have thought. We hear these arguments, one set of

:03:45. > :03:48.facts presented by one politician one day, the same facts represented

:03:49. > :03:51.the next day by different politician and a different conclusion. What

:03:52. > :03:55.this piece says is there is evidence to show a lot of them are bogus

:03:56. > :03:59.claims, and supported by evidence and at worst simply untrue. At the

:04:00. > :04:03.end of the day I think a lot of people like myself, I know you have

:04:04. > :04:06.committed yourself, but a lot of people at the end of the day have

:04:07. > :04:13.said to themselves, I don't know to believe in this. Who do I trust? You

:04:14. > :04:17.look at the array of people before you. You say, do I trust that lot or

:04:18. > :04:22.that lot? I am for in, on the basis that I have more faith in the people

:04:23. > :04:28.saying stay in them come out. Why? What makes you say that, a gut

:04:29. > :04:32.feeling? Yes. And with all due respect... Show me the piece of

:04:33. > :04:37.convincing evidence produced by an independent body that says we would

:04:38. > :04:42.be better off if we left. It is a stab in the dark. It is a flight

:04:43. > :04:46.into the unknown. They cannot say with any degree of certainty that we

:04:47. > :04:52.will be better off. I guess you are right, we don't know. There is lots

:04:53. > :04:58.of supposition either way. I want to be a bit more like yourself, on the

:04:59. > :05:01.fence, maybe more in. When I was a minister and going over to Europe on

:05:02. > :05:05.doing the negotiations with the other ministers for employment it

:05:06. > :05:10.was the first time I saw how Europe worked, how much it lacked a

:05:11. > :05:13.democracy, how much it lacked transparency. How much you didn't

:05:14. > :05:17.know what was going on. The fact laws are made not by elected people

:05:18. > :05:23.but unelected people. That was the start. Then I thought, hang on it

:05:24. > :05:28.doesn't sign its books. Anyone else who didn't do that would be in

:05:29. > :05:33.prison. And don't think it is that safe staying in. I'm not saying it

:05:34. > :05:40.is ideal. Some of the judgments that come down from the European courts,

:05:41. > :05:43.leave you puzzled. But some of the judgments come down from our own

:05:44. > :05:47.courts leave you puzzled. My view is better the devil you know. You say

:05:48. > :05:54.it is not very democratic but other people will say, we vote for MEPs...

:05:55. > :05:57.They don't initiate law. We send our ministers to all of those meetings

:05:58. > :06:03.and the argument is if we are not round the table... Ministers here by

:06:04. > :06:07.and large have been voting in. I would have thought like you until I

:06:08. > :06:10.saw what happened and then I saw those people don't initiate laws.

:06:11. > :06:14.When I see who's doing the deals behind the scenes, things you will

:06:15. > :06:17.think you have got they can at the last minute Saints, you haven't. For

:06:18. > :06:21.me the biggest thing is their finances. We said the banks were too

:06:22. > :06:25.big to fail. We are getting that with Europe now. It would be better

:06:26. > :06:29.if we could untangle ourselves because the finances across Europe

:06:30. > :06:33.are bad. It will be close. A reminder, I don't have an opinion.

:06:34. > :06:38.Just setting the record straight. Let's quickly look at the Telegraph.

:06:39. > :06:43.We don't have the front page yet but we have some of the comments from

:06:44. > :06:49.Boris Johnson's: in the Daily Telegraph. He is saying it is too

:06:50. > :06:58.soon for those who want to remain to think it is in the bag. The vote

:06:59. > :07:04.Leave have had a bad week. Boris's comments about Obama's background

:07:05. > :07:09.even by his own supporters were said not to be the best. Even Nigel

:07:10. > :07:14.Farage said go for the ball, not the man. Others have said it makes him

:07:15. > :07:18.unfit to be a Prime Minister. Comments about his background when

:07:19. > :07:27.very badly, even with his own supporters. But Boris, in his very

:07:28. > :07:30.highly paid newspaper column said Cameron and his mates are growing

:07:31. > :07:36.too soon. He criticised David Cameron. For achieving two thirds of

:07:37. > :07:41.diddly squat in his prerendered random negotiations. He says, if

:07:42. > :07:50.they think it is all over, they are mistaken. They are crowing too soon.

:07:51. > :07:55.I think it will be close. Do you? Yes. I think my generation, a lot of

:07:56. > :08:00.my generation will vote to leave and I think the younger generation, if

:08:01. > :08:04.they go to the polls, will vote to stay. There is a long way to go and

:08:05. > :08:08.it will be close but I think you are right about the generational

:08:09. > :08:12.difference. That was the generation that took us in. They say, we

:08:13. > :08:17.thought it was one thing and is totally something else. I think it

:08:18. > :08:21.is something to make note of, the older generation say, what a

:08:22. > :08:26.mistake, let's get out. The FT and something different. Transport

:08:27. > :08:29.crunch, black hole over Heathrow runway. This is about war would need

:08:30. > :08:35.to be upgraded in the infrastructure leading up to it. I live near

:08:36. > :08:40.Heathrow Airport. I am opposed to a third runway and have been for a

:08:41. > :08:45.long time, as is Zac Goldsmith, the Richmond MP and other MPs in the

:08:46. > :08:50.area. And so is Boris. Not just because of the increased aircraft

:08:51. > :08:54.noise and pollution it will cause, but also we have said for a long

:08:55. > :08:59.time, the congestion on the road that would cause. What this piece is

:09:00. > :09:03.saying is TFL, transport for London, are saying the inquiry into the

:09:04. > :09:11.third runway savagely underestimated the cost of upgrading these roads to

:09:12. > :09:14.the tune of ?16 billion. Heathrow are saying that is nonsense. They

:09:15. > :09:18.have listed in their assessment everything that needs to be done in

:09:19. > :09:21.London. They are sticking to their guns and saying it will cost ?16

:09:22. > :09:25.billion more than originally forecast. My personal view is it

:09:26. > :09:29.will never happen. Your man David Cameron said we won't have a third

:09:30. > :09:35.runway and then changed his mind, put it off and put it. Kicked down

:09:36. > :09:39.the road. It shows how contentious it was, that there were so many

:09:40. > :09:43.consultations and then looking at environment and all the other

:09:44. > :09:47.things. To be honest, we are an island and we need various forms of

:09:48. > :09:51.communication, getting people and goods on an off. I think we

:09:52. > :09:57.personally need many more airports. I think you might need Gatwick,

:09:58. > :10:03.Heathrow and I thought Boris's island for a future period of time

:10:04. > :10:12.would be good as well. But we do need runways. I am not denying that.

:10:13. > :10:17.I say there are pretty good economic and environmental reasons... Where

:10:18. > :10:24.should it be? Gatwick. That won't be enough, where else? Another one in

:10:25. > :10:33.Liverpool, Manchester... I think we need much more. Let's have a look at

:10:34. > :10:40.the i. Jeremy Hunt rejects calls to trial junior doctor contracts. This

:10:41. > :10:45.suggested rolling out junior doctor contracts in a limited number of

:10:46. > :10:48.hospitals, just to test it. Jeremy Hunt is saying no. I think he was

:10:49. > :10:56.also saying it was going to be slowly rolled out anyway. It was

:10:57. > :10:58.slowly being rolled out and that is why he probably says what is the

:10:59. > :11:04.difference between that and the pilot. It is simple, what the

:11:05. > :11:07.proposal was, test it and have an independent body assess it and make

:11:08. > :11:10.a judgment at the end of that trial period as to whether or not it

:11:11. > :11:14.works. He said, you are having if you like it or not. If there is in

:11:15. > :11:20.wrong with it, we will put it right along the way. He said let's go back

:11:21. > :11:23.and have the discussions and negotiate. What were the doctors

:11:24. > :11:27.offered, they were offered a reduction in the hours. It wasn't

:11:28. > :11:34.about them working too much. They have an increase in wages. What he

:11:35. > :11:38.was saying on Saturday we cannot afford for people to being on that

:11:39. > :11:43.amount, double or extra time on Saturday. This slow roll-out was

:11:44. > :11:48.what he preferred. I personally, I worked in the Department for Work

:11:49. > :11:52.and Pensions, we did have pilots and reject if it worked and move it

:11:53. > :11:55.forward. In this instance because the negotiations have gone on so

:11:56. > :11:59.long they have foregone the pilot period and people have come forward

:12:00. > :12:02.and said, we believe, or there might not be a strike. They never said,

:12:03. > :12:08.this is what will be happening. Maybe he is getting the feeling to

:12:09. > :12:12.kick this into the long grass. We have the potential of thousands of

:12:13. > :12:16.operations and appointments being postponed this week. And people

:12:17. > :12:22.suffering to some degree. This was a sensible compromise, wasn't it? Do

:12:23. > :12:26.it on a trial basis? It was a way to end the deadlock? What you had seen

:12:27. > :12:31.is that they were only possibilities, when you lead the

:12:32. > :12:35.letter carefully there are many get out clauses. If he didn't think that

:12:36. > :12:43.was watertight, what was being offered, he also said what we are

:12:44. > :12:48.doing is a slow roll-out. Jeremy Hunt's later stance, people say it

:12:49. > :12:54.is evidence of him being intransigent. I don't thing everyone

:12:55. > :12:56.has the full facts. If you genuinely interested in your patience and want

:12:57. > :13:01.what's best and then you looked at the deal on the table for what we

:13:02. > :13:06.can afford... I have looked into the costings of locums, of the extra

:13:07. > :13:10.hours and thought, how do we make that work for everybody to have a

:13:11. > :13:16.good public service that we are all paying for question that is what we

:13:17. > :13:21.want. With the i, and I declare an interest here. Fox's five points

:13:22. > :13:27.from fairy tale finale. That is quite difficult to say. You did it

:13:28. > :13:32.well. Thank you. Leicester City beat Swansea 4-0 today. It is lovely on

:13:33. > :13:38.Twitter that people keep giving me a running commentary. It is a great

:13:39. > :13:44.story. You may note, I am a big man city fan. Nothing would please me

:13:45. > :13:48.more than if Man City won. Manchester City might still win the

:13:49. > :13:51.Champions League, that is an option, but nothing pleases me more than

:13:52. > :13:59.seeing Leicester City. Last year they were battling relegation. The

:14:00. > :14:02.odds were 5000 to one. I remember at Christmas when they said this person

:14:03. > :14:07.is that however much on and I thought it was fantastic then. To be

:14:08. > :14:10.here now, and it is like a fairy tale football story. It is not all

:14:11. > :14:15.about the money and it was on about the names, this is a team that has

:14:16. > :14:19.come up. I watched them today on the telly and effortless as they were

:14:20. > :14:22.scoring goal after goal. 18 months ago football fans like myself didn't

:14:23. > :14:28.know who they were. Now we'll want them. Claudio Ranieri the current

:14:29. > :14:32.manager is getting a lot of credit for what he has done. But how much

:14:33. > :14:38.of their success is down to what Nigel Pearson set up? A big chunk of

:14:39. > :14:42.that squad were his. I thought they play fantastically as a team. It is

:14:43. > :14:46.not a load of individuals wanting to come on and show off. They are

:14:47. > :14:52.coming together and say, let's do it together. That, to me, when I see

:14:53. > :14:56.them working together is why they are where they are. They play as a

:14:57. > :14:59.team and want to win. That is why they knock spots off anyone else in

:15:00. > :15:04.the Premier League. It is so scary at this point. Terrifying. No, no, I

:15:05. > :15:10.think they will do little stop they are well on the way now. No point

:15:11. > :15:14.putting any money on now. If someone else beat them to the title they

:15:15. > :15:18.would be very unpopular. They would. I think it should be like the Tour

:15:19. > :15:24.de France where the winner on the final day is allowed to get on with

:15:25. > :15:28.it. Finally, the Express, we know they love a weather story. We love

:15:29. > :15:33.the weather in this country, love talking about it. Snowy blast to

:15:34. > :15:39.sweep Britain. It seems like a bit of this with when we are close to

:15:40. > :15:42.the end of April. The central heating went on again in my house

:15:43. > :15:45.this weekend and I thought it will cost a lot of money, this bad

:15:46. > :15:49.weather. It was cold. It is ridiculous that this time of year. I

:15:50. > :15:57.have been deadheading my hydrangeas and look at this. I only did it last

:15:58. > :16:02.weekend. Mrs Stapleton came in this afternoon and said it is too cold

:16:03. > :16:05.for gardening. All the bedding plants after sale and you should not

:16:06. > :16:11.buy them at this point unless you can put them cover. I sound like I

:16:12. > :16:19.know what I'm talking about! Sometimes it snows in April. Whose

:16:20. > :16:23.son that? I don't know. Prince. A lyric for every occasion. It was

:16:24. > :16:30.quite civilised. I promised you. We were just warming up for the next

:16:31. > :16:34.one! Esther and John will be back at 11:30pm for another look at the

:16:35. > :16:41.front pages. Stay with us on BBC News, at 11 o'clock more on

:16:42. > :16:47.President Obama's warning it could take the UK ten years to negotiate

:16:48. > :16:50.its own deal with the US. Coming up next, Meet The Author.