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:00:15. > :00:17.Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

:00:18. > :00:21.With me are the broadcaster John Stapleton and the former

:00:22. > :00:22.government minister and vote leave campaigner, Esther McVey.

:00:23. > :00:29.Tomorrow's front pages, starting with the Independent.

:00:30. > :00:31.The Independent Online has criticism from a group

:00:32. > :00:34.of academics that both sides in the EU referendum are making "misleading

:00:35. > :00:37.The Justice Secretary Michael Gove has written in the Times,

:00:38. > :00:40.claiming that "free-for-all" EU migration will put the NHS at risk.

:00:41. > :00:42.The uncertainty facing the High Street retailer BHS is

:00:43. > :00:44.the Guardian's top story, with reports that almost 11,000

:00:45. > :00:59.According to the Metro, girls as young as three are being sold by

:01:00. > :01:02.their families for less than ?400, following the earthquake in Nepal.

:01:03. > :01:04."Green Belt Under Siege" is the headline in the i.

:01:05. > :01:07.The paper says the housing crisis is forcing ministers and planners

:01:08. > :01:11.The FT says Heathrow faces a funding "black hole" for transport

:01:12. > :01:14.links to the airport, if a third runway is given the go-ahead.

:01:15. > :01:16.New Day leads on scientists launching new research

:01:17. > :01:20.And the Express warns that a "snowy blast" will sweep across

:01:21. > :01:43.It has to be the referendum, where we begin, I mean. A picture of Boris

:01:44. > :01:47.Johnson and David Cameron. The verdict on the campaign. A coalition

:01:48. > :01:52.of academics criticised misleading and inaccurate claims. It is

:01:53. > :02:02.difficult to establish fact in this debate. It is a nightmare. The vast

:02:03. > :02:15.majority of the people are the world and. -- the bewildered. One person

:02:16. > :02:25.saying one thing and another saying and other. What these -- another.

:02:26. > :02:31.Academics have looked at these facts and they are just unsupported and

:02:32. > :02:37.untrue. Both sides have been criticised. George Osborne the other

:02:38. > :02:44.week and his forecast. How does he know? It can't even get his forecast

:02:45. > :02:50.right for next year! Project fear is on both sides. We will hear more

:02:51. > :02:57.about it. It is the predominant factor in this campaign. It is

:02:58. > :03:00.undermining faith in politicians. How sympathetic argue for voters

:03:01. > :03:07.trying to work their way through what is fact and fiction? -- are

:03:08. > :03:13.you. Some people will say I have heard too much and am turned off. We

:03:14. > :03:19.don't want that. Others will say, I have not got enough information,

:03:20. > :03:24.where do I get it? I think it will be, what do you feel, what do you

:03:25. > :03:29.believe, how do you think things will work going forward, and what

:03:30. > :03:34.can you see and believe around you? That is where Michael Gove in his

:03:35. > :03:40.article is taking it a step further when he says let's look at the

:03:41. > :03:44.immigration and the figures. We have net immigration at 300,000 and not a

:03:45. > :03:51.lot we can do to prevent anybody coming from Europe. Now it is

:03:52. > :03:57.expanding by another five countries, Macedonia, Serbia, Albania, Turkey,

:03:58. > :04:04.Turkey itself 35mm and they can all now come to the UK. -- 35 million.

:04:05. > :04:13.How will that impact the NHS, public services... In fairness, isn't an

:04:14. > :04:22.element of this Michael Gove and his campaign being on the back foot. And

:04:23. > :04:30.then once Johnson's comments about Obama. -- or is Johnson. Then he was

:04:31. > :04:34.saying he was anti- British because of his Kenyan background. That

:04:35. > :04:40.backfired on him. Even Nigel Farage said today that you should attack

:04:41. > :04:46.the ball, not the man. Some of these comments by Michael Gove in the

:04:47. > :04:52.papers are a retaliation to that, losing ground. It has been neck and

:04:53. > :04:57.neck so far and this could change it. I don't think it was because he

:04:58. > :05:05.thought they were losing ground. They would have planned out each

:05:06. > :05:12.week until the finale. It is a well articulated argument, actually. His

:05:13. > :05:19.first piece a while ago when he came out as a Brexter was like this.

:05:20. > :05:23.Barack Obama coming over here, what he had to say, we understand he

:05:24. > :05:30.should say what he wants, but that is what America wants. He once TTP,

:05:31. > :05:34.this trade agreement with Europe, by the way, he hasn't had one for 43

:05:35. > :05:42.years. We have two to 6 billion of trade either way and it works. --

:05:43. > :05:52.56. We don't need one. Isn't Michael Gove talking about a migration free

:05:53. > :05:58.far all? -- free-for-all. Isn't this project fear? With five countries

:05:59. > :06:03.coming in we now know we will have a much higher wage, the living wage,

:06:04. > :06:09.that will be a poll, and one of the countries with 75 million... Labour

:06:10. > :06:12.said there would only be tens of thousands coming in. 2 million

:06:13. > :06:19.people came in during the Tony Blair years. Most people are coming to

:06:20. > :06:24.work and that is good for the economy. That is a big question

:06:25. > :06:30.mark. I am still here. Sorry. (LAUGHING). I have kicked my shoes

:06:31. > :06:35.off under the desk. It is all fine. This is what we want. The Daily

:06:36. > :06:43.Telegraph, Boris Johnson's column, he has said that those who want to

:06:44. > :06:49.remain in the European Union are calling it too soon. It isn't all

:06:50. > :06:59.over. These comments could be long gone by then. It is definitely a

:07:00. > :07:04.long time. An eternity. Many people are undecided and there are many

:07:05. > :07:13.gaffs and fact still to be made. This particular thing about

:07:14. > :07:17.migration... Let's look at that. Michael Gove says the NHS would be

:07:18. > :07:23.at risk because even more people could come illegitimately and ask

:07:24. > :07:25.for treatment on this. And there are people with absolutely legitimate

:07:26. > :07:30.concerns about the impact of immigration on schools, on the

:07:31. > :07:38.health service, et cetera. The point I was about to make, as some people

:07:39. > :07:44.would acknowledge, you may not... Tell me and I will let you know.

:07:45. > :07:52.Economically they are a positive. They work and they pay taxes. I have

:07:53. > :07:55.a different way of looking at that. Going with the statistic that we

:07:56. > :08:01.don't know. When you know we have got net migration of nearly 300,000

:08:02. > :08:07.a year, that means we have a town or a city eager than Newcastle every

:08:08. > :08:21.year coming in. Where are those people carrying on to live? We are

:08:22. > :08:27.getting rid of green... Successive governments have not built enough

:08:28. > :08:31.houses. But with these extra people, of course it will have an

:08:32. > :08:34.impact on school places. The first time ever, well, not the first, but

:08:35. > :08:42.many people aren't getting their first choice of school. And the

:08:43. > :08:47.NHS... We have all these children here, not just child immigrants, but

:08:48. > :08:55.children whose parents are born in this country. Sorry. I can't get

:08:56. > :08:59.over a third of a million every year. It is huge. How will we

:09:00. > :09:07.assimilate those people and give them all of the public sector's

:09:08. > :09:15.help? I have my copy here. Thank you for doing my job. -- coffee. Both

:09:16. > :09:19.sides are using back to their advantage. Those who want to stay in

:09:20. > :09:25.the EU are saying, if we want to leave there would be a staffing

:09:26. > :09:31.crisis because so many staff come from the EU. The NHS is such a

:09:32. > :09:43.sensitive subject for Surman people it could swing it. That isn't quite

:09:44. > :09:45.true either. Doesn't matter whether it is the Philippines or India,

:09:46. > :09:51.those numbers have really tightened up. David Cameron won't want

:09:52. > :09:56.those... He is trying to get it down to tens of thousands, migration. You

:09:57. > :10:03.danced people, from the EU and then let the rest of the world do it. --

:10:04. > :10:13.don't stop. The difference is, if people are coming from Europe they

:10:14. > :10:17.come with a question mark on whether they have credentials. But if you

:10:18. > :10:22.come from outside you have a points system to say these people are

:10:23. > :10:28.coming to help the NHS. That is fair. Away from the referendum.

:10:29. > :10:33.Don't get six tomorrow. Junior doctors, Monday's paper, it is

:10:34. > :10:38.talking about Tuesday, not tomorrow, don't panic. -- sick. A two-day

:10:39. > :10:44.strike that is supposed to happen. The idea of a temporary or limited

:10:45. > :10:48.roll-out of a cross-party proposal that might have resented the strike

:10:49. > :11:00.has been dismissed by cross-party MPs. Blocked by the royal surgeons

:11:01. > :11:04.at the last minute. Jeremy Hunt is saying he wants to block it. Why not

:11:05. > :11:10.test it out on a trial basis and then get an independent body to

:11:11. > :11:16.decide whether or not it is working and fair? Whether the customers are

:11:17. > :11:20.concerned or benefiting. Jeremy Hunt has kicked that into touch. He said

:11:21. > :11:31.today that the system will be done actually. -- gradually. Problems

:11:32. > :11:37.will be sorted out later. Many are saying it is a pity. It is a

:11:38. > :11:45.compromise. It is a way out of a deadlock team to organisations and

:11:46. > :11:56.he has rejected it. Why would you reject it? Why not roll out a trial

:11:57. > :11:59.in this instance? To say it was because it was... That is the

:12:00. > :12:04.same... He says you will get it whether you like it or not. Eight

:12:05. > :12:10.slow roll-out would say whether it is working. -- a. Three years worth

:12:11. > :12:17.of talk has gone nowhere. You could say that BMA was very much starting

:12:18. > :12:22.to lose the support of the doctors because some of them were going in

:12:23. > :12:25.and not wanting to strike. The BMA are losing the support of the

:12:26. > :12:33.public. If they asked Labour to go in the back door to put an offer

:12:34. > :12:37.forward because they were losing the argument. I don't know what Jeremy

:12:38. > :12:47.Hunt said, but when I read the letter closely be work all possibles

:12:48. > :12:51.and maybes, no definitive answers. According to the Guardian,

:12:52. > :12:56.tomorrow's Guardian, a survey has been done to say that 78.4% of

:12:57. > :13:02.junior doctors questioned in that survey said they will strike. So it

:13:03. > :13:07.seems the overwhelming majority. The doctors I know came out in the first

:13:08. > :13:14.time that never again because they care about the patient's. Doctors

:13:15. > :13:19.are saying to not do emergency care... They didn't like that.

:13:20. > :13:22.Senior doctors said they would step in. But if they step in they have

:13:23. > :13:29.other people they should be seeing at the same time. It has a knock-on

:13:30. > :13:37.effect. You have lost 12,500 operations along with the

:13:38. > :13:44.patient's. -- patients. But the idea of emergency care not been

:13:45. > :13:52.covered... -- being. What about the incredibly ill patients? Leicester

:13:53. > :14:01.City five points away from a fairytale finale, it says. What an

:14:02. > :14:12.extraordinary season! Apparently, the Algieri and winger. --

:14:13. > :14:13.Algerian. He did not even know that Leicester City was a football team.

:14:14. > :14:33.(LAUGHING). Maybe not after recent... It is

:14:34. > :14:40.about the team and not just the individual. It has really caught me

:14:41. > :14:45.out because it has been so beautiful. But it has been very

:14:46. > :14:51.cold. The central heating went back on in our house over the weekend. My

:14:52. > :14:56.wife was out gardening and she said it was too cold to go gardening.

:14:57. > :15:01.Sometimes we have a bit of fascination with the weather on the

:15:02. > :15:17.express. It is time to get your longjohns back on. Thank you. That

:15:18. > :15:18.is it in the paper review and now it is time for the film