:00:17. > :00:21.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be
:00:22. > :00:24.With me are Joe Watts, Political Correspondent
:00:25. > :00:26.for the Evening Standard and Lucy Fisher, who's
:00:27. > :00:28.a Senior Political Correspondent at The Times.
:00:29. > :00:31.Welcome to you both. Thank you for being here tonight. Whilst we wait
:00:32. > :00:37.for the London mayoral result... The Scottish Daily Mail says
:00:38. > :00:39.voters have told the SNP to abandon its independence drive,
:00:40. > :00:42.as the Tories are returned Ruth Davidson,
:00:43. > :00:45.the Scottish Conservative leader, is pictured on the front
:00:46. > :00:47.of the Telegraph - it says she's tipped to play
:00:48. > :00:49.a bigger role in British politics. Sadiq Khan is on the
:00:50. > :00:52.front of the Times. It calls him Labour's most
:00:53. > :00:53.powerful politician. The FT says the election
:00:54. > :00:56.of the son of a Pakistani bus driver signals a broad acceptance by voters
:00:57. > :00:59.of London's racial and religious diversity, months after terrorist
:01:00. > :01:01.attacks in Brussels and Paris. The Guardian reports concerns
:01:02. > :01:03.from Conservatives that Zac Goldsmith's mayoral campaign has
:01:04. > :01:09.left a 'negative legacy' in London. And the Express says
:01:10. > :01:11.the Government's benefits cap will be reduced to ?20,000
:01:12. > :01:32.per family this autumn. So, let's begin with the front pages
:01:33. > :01:39.of the stories we picked out. The i says there has been a seismic shift
:01:40. > :01:43.in Scotland. The SNP loses a majority but wins a historic third
:01:44. > :01:47.term. The Tories become the second biggest party after spirited defence
:01:48. > :01:52.of the union. Lucy, it could have gone very differently in Scotland,
:01:53. > :01:55.couldn't it? Absolutely, I think it has come as a surprise to most
:01:56. > :02:01.people that the Conservatives have jumped into second place, causing
:02:02. > :02:05.Labour to slump to third in their historic former heartlands. A really
:02:06. > :02:11.serious story for Labour. But as you say, I think it is interesting the
:02:12. > :02:15.SNP are still on top, third time in, although not managing a majority
:02:16. > :02:17.this time. Labour's experience in Scotland tempered by what happened
:02:18. > :02:23.in other parts of the country somewhat. But there is not going to
:02:24. > :02:28.be a majority SNP, they are going to have to try and go through without
:02:29. > :02:32.that. A sting in the tail for the SNP. They have won and is an
:02:33. > :02:36.historic victory but it basically means they will have to do some
:02:37. > :02:40.deals if they want to get what they want. That is not unusual for the
:02:41. > :02:44.SNP, they are used to handling and doing a bit of wheeling and dealing.
:02:45. > :02:47.They had to do that kind of thing before they had a majority in
:02:48. > :02:51.Scotland. They will have to revert back to their old ways. They did it
:02:52. > :02:57.quite successfully last time. The problem is this time, they want
:02:58. > :03:00.something big. We all know the SNP wombat second Scottish independence
:03:01. > :03:06.referendum. They are not far off of mint majority in Holyrood and a few
:03:07. > :03:10.MPs might be willing to give them a couple more votes to get that
:03:11. > :03:14.majority for a vote on independence, but the question is at what cost
:03:15. > :03:19.will that come? The Scottish Daily Mail makes that point, a defiant
:03:20. > :03:24.Ruth Davidson pours scorn on the idea of this new independence with
:03:25. > :03:30.the roar of Middle Scotland. She had her work cut out, when you think
:03:31. > :03:34.where the Conservatives were come the general election. Absolutely. In
:03:35. > :03:39.one of the papers she likens it to resuscitate in a dead corpse, which
:03:40. > :03:44.is a really lovely image. The problem is with resuscitating a dead
:03:45. > :03:49.corpse, we'll note, any horror film knows, when it comes back to life it
:03:50. > :03:52.does horrible things. There is a danger for the Conservative Party,
:03:53. > :03:57.as Ruth Davidson goes forward, that she feels the need to define herself
:03:58. > :04:01.as a Scottish Conservative different to the English Conservatives. That
:04:02. > :04:05.could be a problem for David Cameron in London. Nonetheless, she has done
:04:06. > :04:09.a very good job in some ways already by defining herself in that way for
:04:10. > :04:12.stop we know apparently blocked George Osborne going to Scotland in
:04:13. > :04:16.the campaign. She has done a big job, not afraid of getting in front
:04:17. > :04:21.of the cameras. How well will she now lead the opposition against the
:04:22. > :04:24.SNP? There is talk because of how well she has done that there might
:04:25. > :04:29.be a bigger role for her within the Conservative Party. I think that is
:04:30. > :04:33.eminently possible. The great thing about Ruth Davidson is she looks and
:04:34. > :04:36.feels very different to many Westminster politicians, typically
:04:37. > :04:42.in the Conservatives. She's female, Gary, quite wary and has a very
:04:43. > :04:47.fresh image. She talks as a human rather than political speak. I think
:04:48. > :04:51.that is... To put a different take on it, I think what you say is
:04:52. > :04:55.fascinating. She could cause Cameron some problems because she is a
:04:56. > :04:58.little more modern, a bit more progressive, but equally when there
:04:59. > :05:03.is a threat from them more right wing of the party, the degree of
:05:04. > :05:09.Europe, in actual fact she really shows the modernisers, the they win
:05:10. > :05:14.votes in elections. She could end up bolstering him. The Daily Telegraph,
:05:15. > :05:21.we have two versions of it. The Scottish version first. SNP has no
:05:22. > :05:24.mandate for another referendum. Davidson throws down gauntlet to
:05:25. > :05:31.First Minister after Tory surge cost her majority. How much will Nicola
:05:32. > :05:35.Sturgeon feel put in her place by what has happened in the vote last
:05:36. > :05:40.night? Well, she is certainly still going to talk a good talk on the
:05:41. > :05:43.subject. I think Nicola Sturgeon is quite canny woman. I don't think she
:05:44. > :05:48.necessarily believes in her heart of hearts that if there were a wind
:05:49. > :06:02.referendum that the SNP would necessarily win it. Based on the
:06:03. > :06:08.fact it is unclear if public opinion has changed now. Many Westminster
:06:09. > :06:13.politicians say we have to win the second one, so let's wait and hold
:06:14. > :06:16.it when we can win it. It is not clear they could necessarily win a
:06:17. > :06:20.second referendum. I think if we look back to the last government
:06:21. > :06:23.when we had the coalition, it sort of helped the Conservatives to have
:06:24. > :06:29.to compromise with the Lib Dems. It could end up being helpful to Nicola
:06:30. > :06:32.Sturgeon and the SNP to not have a majority, to kind of hold off from
:06:33. > :06:36.holding that referendum. It was not that helpful to the Lib Dems. We
:06:37. > :06:40.will see which other parties are willing to get into bed with the SNP
:06:41. > :06:44.and how that might affect their votes. We're pretty sure the Tories
:06:45. > :06:47.won't do that. Labour I don't think we'll be willing to do that, given
:06:48. > :06:52.what has happened to them. There will be a lot of bitterness around.
:06:53. > :06:56.Perhaps the greens. They have a handful of seats. They might be the
:06:57. > :07:03.answer to the SNP's problems. The Greens tend to be pro-... Could be
:07:04. > :07:10.pro the union rather than pro-independence? It will not really
:07:11. > :07:14.help the SNP Test they will have to go step-by-step, vote by vote, that
:07:15. > :07:19.is how they did it last time. They managed to carve out quite a
:07:20. > :07:23.successful assembly session out of that. I think that if the weight
:07:24. > :07:26.Nicola Sturgeon will play it again. People will be looking to see
:07:27. > :07:31.exactly what they are prepared to give up. I have heard many analyses
:07:32. > :07:37.of what has happened in Scotland, that if you are pro-independence you
:07:38. > :07:40.still carried on voting for the SNP and if you are not, you voted this
:07:41. > :07:45.time for the Conservatives because they seem to have made their case
:07:46. > :07:51.more powerfully. That certainly seems to be a lot -- what a lot of
:07:52. > :07:55.the pundits are saying that moment. I think a lot of people voted for
:07:56. > :07:57.the SNP at first you are not necessarily going to back
:07:58. > :08:02.independence. It is quite difficult to know at the moment, given we
:08:03. > :08:06.haven't had any polls on independence. Comparing with the
:08:07. > :08:10.votes from this particular election, to see exactly how that breaks down
:08:11. > :08:13.on whether there are still people voting SNP might not necessarily
:08:14. > :08:19.vote for independence. But dependent has been the driving force of this
:08:20. > :08:27.election. The anti-independence voters really coalesced around the
:08:28. > :08:32.Tories. We have a couple of pictures of Ruth Davidson in Scotland. At one
:08:33. > :08:39.point she was quoting Carolann Duffy's poem Rapture. She tried to
:08:40. > :08:44.make the point her heart was almost stumped. That is the picture they
:08:45. > :08:50.have chosen for the Scottish version of the paper, grinning. There she is
:08:51. > :08:53.looking very sassy. This is the version of the Telegraph that goes
:08:54. > :08:58.out in the rest of the country. A woman who put Tories back on the map
:08:59. > :09:01.of Scotland. She certainly looks different, doesn't she? That seems
:09:02. > :09:05.to have appealed to the people I have been speaking to an Twitter is,
:09:06. > :09:10.because she doesn't look like the archetypal Conservative MP. Yes, and
:09:11. > :09:14.she is willing to dress up, here she is wearing a funny Stetson style
:09:15. > :09:18.hat. She has a sense of humour. I think that is why people like her.
:09:19. > :09:23.She has detoxified the brand. She has that slight thing Boris Johnson
:09:24. > :09:27.has. She is not as much of a clown as Boris can be, but she's not of
:09:28. > :09:31.putting herself in interesting photo shoots. There was one floating
:09:32. > :09:37.around the news today of her riding on a cow. She doesn't mind setting
:09:38. > :09:42.herself up there and people like that, they warm to it. Let's look at
:09:43. > :09:48.another party. Turning our attention to Labour. Corbin not a credible
:09:49. > :09:52.leader of the worst losses in 30 years. -- Jeremy Corbyn. But he
:09:53. > :09:56.said, we survived. It was not exactly a ringing endorsement of
:09:57. > :09:59.what they'd done but the feeling was that could have been worse. It is
:10:00. > :10:03.interesting what happened with Labour today. I think it plays into
:10:04. > :10:07.the idea that expectation management is all-important. Some of Labour's
:10:08. > :10:14.worst internal critics were warning they were going to lose at least
:10:15. > :10:20.100, maybe 150 200 council seats. In fact only losing a few councillors
:10:21. > :10:23.here and that is, holding in South, some -- some councils, proving
:10:24. > :10:29.Jeremy Corbyn can hold outpost in the south, gives a very mixed and
:10:30. > :10:34.messy picture. He has not done well enough to tell his critics look, I
:10:35. > :10:37.can do this, I can lead us to victory in 2020, but he hasn't done
:10:38. > :10:42.badly enough for those critics to really wield the knife and enact the
:10:43. > :10:47.coup they have been talking about. It takes a leap of imagination of
:10:48. > :10:50.you are going to argue either side. For the Labour spinners who are
:10:51. > :10:54.coming out and saying this is better than expected, you have to remember
:10:55. > :10:58.this is from the baseline that Ed Miliband had that was quite high,
:10:59. > :11:02.but then proceeded one of the worst election losses Labour has had at a
:11:03. > :11:07.general election. So to come out and say, it is not as bad as it could be
:11:08. > :11:10.is going to great on a lot of Labour supporters who want the party to be
:11:11. > :11:13.winning. At the same time, those people who want to have their
:11:14. > :11:17.fingers curled round the knife handle and ready to plunge it into
:11:18. > :11:26.Jeremy Corbyn, they don't quite have the reason to do that yet. But he
:11:27. > :11:29.surely, in the light of what has been happening in the last couple of
:11:30. > :11:33.weeks of this campaign thinking they did manage to get through it
:11:34. > :11:37.relatively unscathed. You think what was going on with the anti-Semitism
:11:38. > :11:43.row, it only ended last week I think, when they launch the
:11:44. > :11:47.independent inquiry that Shami Chakrabarti will be looking at. All
:11:48. > :11:52.that will kick back in again. But I imagine it could have been, could
:11:53. > :12:01.have had a worse impact on those results? Certainly I think so. When
:12:02. > :12:03.we looked last night John McDonnell warning Ken Livingstone's
:12:04. > :12:08.controversial comments linking Hitler and Zionism, he said this
:12:09. > :12:14.will set us back as a party. There was a lot of nervousness last night
:12:15. > :12:17.at the BBC and other broadcast studios before the results started
:12:18. > :12:22.coming out. I think there is a sense today, a sigh of relief from the top
:12:23. > :12:26.leadership team that it hasn't been wiped out some had predicted. We
:12:27. > :12:32.thought we might be talking about the result of the London mayoral
:12:33. > :12:36.election, but we were told a couple of hours ago it is more likely going
:12:37. > :12:40.to be midnight when we get that result. There was some kind of
:12:41. > :12:44.inaccuracies or discrepancies in a small number of votes, we were told.
:12:45. > :12:50.The Times have stuck their neck out and have a picture of Sadiq Khan
:12:51. > :12:54.with his wife, who it says has become Labour's most powerful
:12:55. > :12:59.politician after winning the London mayoral election. It certainly looks
:13:00. > :13:03.like he is heading that way. And again, despite aspersions that were
:13:04. > :13:07.cast on people he'd associated with, which left a nasty taste some people
:13:08. > :13:12.in the way the Conservatives campaigned. That is right. I think
:13:13. > :13:17.there is a of reasons, if it turns out Sadiq Khan has won, that he did
:13:18. > :13:21.win. He made a strategic decision quite early on to distance himself
:13:22. > :13:25.from Jeremy Corbyn. Pretty much at every opportunity he could take he
:13:26. > :13:28.distanced himself, and that paid off, particularly in the
:13:29. > :13:34.anti-Semitism row that came late in the campaign. He also managed to
:13:35. > :13:37.brush off those claims from Zac Goldsmith about the platform to with
:13:38. > :13:41.people. That seemed to have a backlash effect the Zac. Most
:13:42. > :13:46.importantly he came forward with a policy platform that really seemed
:13:47. > :13:51.to match what voters wanted in London. People basically wanted a
:13:52. > :13:54.break from the high cost of living. He had his first dibs for Londoners
:13:55. > :13:57.for housing and that seemed to resonate with a lot of people. It
:13:58. > :14:02.might was a clue as to the people he will have around him in his team.
:14:03. > :14:08.That idea of breaking away from your party Central office, Steven Norris
:14:09. > :14:13.talks about the need to do that. He said he pretty much took no notice
:14:14. > :14:22.of Conservative Central office when he was running for the post of
:14:23. > :14:25.mayor. But he has a big mandate, because of the way this election is
:14:26. > :14:31.run for London mayor, if you win, you really do win. Absolutely. I
:14:32. > :14:39.think it is a really big first that London has their first Muslim mayor
:14:40. > :14:42.in Sadiq, if he has won tonight. The most powerful Muslim politician in
:14:43. > :14:47.the whole of Europe, which I think it something to be celebrated. That
:14:48. > :14:50.Britain is the first country, it is a great message for Muslims
:14:51. > :14:57.throughout the world to see that. But you are right. Him being
:14:58. > :15:03.distanced from Jeremy Corbyn and the Central Labour machine, it will be
:15:04. > :15:10.an interesting dynamic. Some interesting criticism of Zac
:15:11. > :15:15.Goldsmith by his sister. She said on Twitter that she didn't feel that
:15:16. > :15:21.his campaign reflected the type of person that she knew him to be. She
:15:22. > :15:25.said he is an eco-friendly, independent minded politician with
:15:26. > :15:28.integrity. She also tweeted she was sending her congratulations to Sadiq
:15:29. > :15:35.Khan, saying he was a great example to young Muslims. I wonder who
:15:36. > :15:39.Jemima Khan was actually criticising, was her brother or the
:15:40. > :15:44.conservative machine? Lucy and I were talking about this one. We were
:15:45. > :15:48.just wondering what kind of relationship they have. If she
:15:49. > :15:51.called him first to say that is what she would be tweeting, if he was
:15:52. > :15:56.aware and sanctioned and what the dynamics behind that well. If Zac
:15:57. > :16:00.didn't know was coming it was a kick in the teeth, and if he you have to
:16:01. > :16:03.think he okayed it beforehand. Something interesting going on. Zac
:16:04. > :16:09.Goldsmith's brother came in and tweeted some supportive things as
:16:10. > :16:12.well. It still remains to be seen exactly what is going on beer and
:16:13. > :16:15.the scenes in the Goldsmith family. It might have been the comment on
:16:16. > :16:21.the way she felt her brother was forced to campaign? I wouldn't say
:16:22. > :16:27.forced. I think he will have had a steering role and he can't renege
:16:28. > :16:33.responsible at your map. But I think a lot of people are looking at the
:16:34. > :16:40.firm that has been running this campaign, it is quite a bulldog -ish
:16:41. > :16:44.firm. It will be interesting which Conservatives will be there, if that
:16:45. > :16:48.Goldsmith is there tonight. I think you are right, this tweet by the
:16:49. > :16:51.angling to suggest it was this Rottweiler like firm that likes to
:16:52. > :16:56.go in for these strong messages that has perhaps looks at Zac and thought
:16:57. > :17:04.he is the ecologist, nice guy Tory, not some sort of brash individual.
:17:05. > :17:08.Lets look at a moment at Ukip, Nigel Farage and Ukip, The true election
:17:09. > :17:16.winners it in the express. I just marked that with a big question,
:17:17. > :17:20.Mark. After the general election when they were supposed to do
:17:21. > :17:25.extremely well and then only took Clacton with Douglas Carswell, how
:17:26. > :17:28.successful has it been for Ukip? It doesn't look like they have done
:17:29. > :17:33.that well in London. I suppose the Welsh seats are a big game for them.
:17:34. > :17:39.They have a decent showing there on the Welsh Assembly. I think they won
:17:40. > :17:44.quite a few seats around the country as well. I think of the top of my
:17:45. > :17:47.head around 20 council seats around the place. They have made some
:17:48. > :17:53.games, but whether they can actually turn that into anything more
:17:54. > :17:58.useful... And they had a really high watermark of their vote share for
:17:59. > :18:01.the general election. The question is, what vote showed they have
:18:02. > :18:06.across the country and has risen or fallen? For a small party, the fact
:18:07. > :18:10.they have made those games, they will be pleased? Absolutely. I think
:18:11. > :18:13.the fact they have been geographically focused in Wales, it
:18:14. > :18:18.is useful to have a stronghold summer, a place from which to grow.
:18:19. > :18:23.They will be hoping if they do win an the 23rd they will have a SNP
:18:24. > :18:32.like effect. It is worth it just to see Neil Hamilton back in politics.
:18:33. > :18:36.Is it? Him and Christine, we have missed them. Yes, up in the North in
:18:37. > :18:39.Cheshire they had acetyl stop the Daily Telegraph finally. No sooner
:18:40. > :18:46.are these elections over there and we are back on the referendum trail.
:18:47. > :18:51.Michael Gove will make Britain safe after Brexit. Michael Gove talking
:18:52. > :18:55.about the need to strengthen our borders and national security laws.
:18:56. > :19:01.A lot of people saying, Lucy, we can already have a great deal of control
:19:02. > :19:05.over this inside the EU. Yes, people do. It is one of those issues,
:19:06. > :19:11.security, where there are a lot of claims and counterclaims and it is
:19:12. > :19:15.not clear if the UK safer in the EU, where we have agreements on
:19:16. > :19:19.intelligence and data sharing the outside and have a tougher border
:19:20. > :19:22.policy, if that were even possible to negotiate. I think it is an
:19:23. > :19:28.interesting topic for Michael Gove to go on, but it certainly points to
:19:29. > :19:31.immigration, the idea that we make our borders tougher, deport foreign
:19:32. > :19:35.criminals without interference from Brussels courts. He knows his
:19:36. > :19:41.constituency when he brings up this subject. That is right. It does seem
:19:42. > :19:46.to be pushing towards the immigration issue. If anything, I
:19:47. > :19:50.think the smartest strategist will see that as an area where they can
:19:51. > :19:54.make some hay. They know they are not really going to convince people
:19:55. > :19:57.or invigorate people with abstract arguments about sovereignty. They
:19:58. > :20:01.need to talk about something that people on the street are thinking
:20:02. > :20:03.about as well. The NHS is possibly another thing they could talk about,
:20:04. > :20:06.but immigration certainly. Don't forget, all the front pages
:20:07. > :20:12.are online on the BBC News website where you can read a detailed review
:20:13. > :20:14.of the papers. It's all there for you -
:20:15. > :20:17.7 days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers, and you can see us there too -
:20:18. > :20:20.with each night's edition of The Papers being posted
:20:21. > :20:29.on the page shortly after we've Thank you to both of you. I hope you
:20:30. > :20:33.will come back again and see us on. More on the elections at 11 o'clock.
:20:34. > :20:36.We will hopefully speak to Ben Brown at City Hall as we wait for the
:20:37. > :20:45.London mayoral election. But first, the weather.
:20:46. > :20:51.Hello. The weather pattern at the moment is favouring England and
:20:52. > :20:52.Wales with the highest temperatures.