:00:12. > :00:14.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:15. > :00:16.With me are journalist Lucy Cavendish and Reuters Business
:00:17. > :00:27.The new mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has written in the Observer claiming
:00:28. > :00:29.the Conservative tactics in the campaign were "straight out
:00:30. > :00:34.The main picture shows the Leicester City players lifting
:00:35. > :00:40.The Independent online says the Shadow Chancellor,
:00:41. > :00:43.John McDonnell, is calling on Labour to support proportional
:00:44. > :00:48.Two former heads of MI5 and MI6 have told The Sunday Times that leaving
:00:49. > :00:51.the European Union could undermine the UK's "ability to protect
:00:52. > :00:58.The Telegraph reports on new figures which the paper claims show schools
:00:59. > :01:02.in the UK are under increasing pressure, because of EU migration.
:01:03. > :01:05.According to The Mail on Sunday, a navy officer who trained
:01:06. > :01:08.in the UK, has fled to Syria to join so-called Islamic State.
:01:09. > :01:11.And "Dignity for Diana at last" is the main headline in the Express
:01:12. > :01:13.- with news that her grave at Althorp House
:01:14. > :01:27.Let's begin with the spy chief story. This intervention by the
:01:28. > :01:32.former head of MI5, MI6. I don't know what's going to change,
:01:33. > :01:38.it is an interesting story. And part of it is because it has been leapt
:01:39. > :01:42.on by Cameron, and now that Boris has left his job he will be going a
:01:43. > :01:47.big -- on a big tour. The actual story is that the former
:01:48. > :01:51.head of MI5 and the former head of MI6 has said that it is going to
:01:52. > :02:02.pose a risk because we are not going to be able to -- to have that sort
:02:03. > :02:07.of power to get information. It was said that it is like a man running
:02:08. > :02:10.-- walking out on his wife and children, and it would be a total
:02:11. > :02:14.disaster, and the relationship would be unhappy. They have also said they
:02:15. > :02:20.have come to it not from any political viewpoint, so Cameron will
:02:21. > :02:25.leap on that, and that is a good story for him. Whether it will
:02:26. > :02:29.change votes or not, it might do. It is unnerving. Security is a kind
:02:30. > :02:35.of gut issue, isn't it? It is one of the key issues, if you
:02:36. > :02:39.look at the economy, immigration. It is probably one whether
:02:40. > :02:40.Government's position and they remain campaign has not been as
:02:41. > :02:47.strong. This would be positive for them. It
:02:48. > :02:53.is not the only intervention, so Richard Taylor said last week --
:02:54. > :03:03.last month he didn't see much of a downside from leaving.
:03:04. > :03:09.-- so Richard Deerlove. There are also issues as to how the EU
:03:10. > :03:14.security apparatus is affected by the biggest -- would be affected by
:03:15. > :03:19.the biggest member of it leaving. To go back to what impact it would
:03:20. > :03:24.make. Nigel Farage was talking to us recently and he was saying, you
:03:25. > :03:30.know, we've got the Prime Minister against Barack Obama, the IMF,
:03:31. > :03:33.Goldman Sachs, in other words the more the elite say we shouldn't
:03:34. > :03:38.leave, the better it is for his campaign.
:03:39. > :03:47.Well, that is a very Nigel Farage things to say, we are the underdog
:03:48. > :03:50.standing up for absolute values... Personally I think if spy chiefs say
:03:51. > :03:54.it will cause a problem, I would probably listen to that more than I
:03:55. > :03:58.would listen to Nigel Farage. Boris is going to do all sorts of things
:03:59. > :04:06.this week, he will be out battling on. Let's see what he says, he will
:04:07. > :04:11.probably say "Stuff and nonsense." I haven't run MI5 or MI6, I don't know
:04:12. > :04:16.how that elite power works. I would love to know, I am not going to
:04:17. > :04:23.know. I am kind of going to trust these two, because they have run it.
:04:24. > :04:30.Trying to crunch the economy figures, and all these other things.
:04:31. > :04:35.He can do that...! I guess I can, but you've got near
:04:36. > :04:39.unanimity on the issue of the economy, this is more difficult for
:04:40. > :04:46.the issue of the remain campaign. The Brexit issue is kind of
:04:47. > :04:48.intuitive, so this kind of intervention from experts is
:04:49. > :04:57.interesting. Let's move on to the election of
:04:58. > :05:04.Sadiq Khan. The Observer's said, Sadiq Khan accuses the -- Goldsmith
:05:05. > :05:14.of using Donald Trump tactics to get votes. -- accuses David Cameron.
:05:15. > :05:18.I think Sadiq Khan could say anything right now, and everybody
:05:19. > :05:21.would be happy. He really, really wanted that job, and he campaign
:05:22. > :05:28.really hard and I think his message was very, very clear. -- he
:05:29. > :05:39.campaign. Somehow or other that campaign with Zac Goldsmith didn't
:05:40. > :05:43.really work. I think what's really interesting about Sadiq Khan right
:05:44. > :05:50.now is is he is sort of transcending both parties in a way. He has this
:05:51. > :05:55.absolutely -- absolute position of power, he is a big personality with
:05:56. > :06:00.a lot to say, he has a great background. He can say to people,
:06:01. > :06:03.you can do this, we can all join together, and the Conservative
:06:04. > :06:11.campaign did come across as being just -- divisive and wrong.
:06:12. > :06:15.The interview in the Guardian were Zac Goldsmith came out very, very
:06:16. > :06:20.strongly, very personally against Sadiq Khan was quite shocking. I
:06:21. > :06:24.think people leapt on that and it became a sort of platform.
:06:25. > :06:27.He may not have wanted that, his sister even wrote, this isn't the
:06:28. > :06:31.sort of person I know. But that was leapt on by Sadiq
:06:32. > :06:38.Khan's team. But that was a very odd tweet from
:06:39. > :06:42.his sister, he was basically saying he was not strong enough to stand up
:06:43. > :06:49.to his advisors...? That's not what she meant but...
:06:50. > :06:56.If you are running a campaign which even people within your own party
:06:57. > :07:01.say is dodgy, that in itself... We have got a lot of Monday morning
:07:02. > :07:05.quarterbacks here, and it is a subject on which people probably
:07:06. > :07:07.come on TV and talk about with less information than they do on anything
:07:08. > :07:11.else. We don't know why 3 million people
:07:12. > :07:16.voted the way they did, so we're probably guessing. But negative
:07:17. > :07:21.campaigning works, it is why people use it. So to be dismissive and say
:07:22. > :07:26.that is why he lost is focusing I think one particular area that seems
:07:27. > :07:30.intuitive to us. Obviously this is one of the issues that Sadiq Khan
:07:31. > :07:35.has drawn attention to in this argument in the newspaper, but he
:07:36. > :07:39.has talked about a lot of things, and the Telegraph are focusing about
:07:40. > :07:45.the way he has attacked Corbin implicitly in this article. It does
:07:46. > :07:52.lay out his thinking on the world as such. -- Jeremy Corbyn. They could
:07:53. > :07:54.be said -- seen as him saying how he is positioning himself for a
:07:55. > :07:58.leadership role sometime in the future.
:07:59. > :08:06.He has only just become mayor! Sadiq Khan takes on with Davidson in
:08:07. > :08:12.the 2025 election! -- Ruth Davidson. I agree with him,
:08:13. > :08:18.that Labour did to look out. So he appears modern, with it, thoughtful,
:08:19. > :08:27.speaking the language people want to hear who are Labour voters. Was the
:08:28. > :08:31.whole Jeremy Corbyn approach is very inward looking. -- wearers. He is
:08:32. > :08:39.obviously absolutely passionate and focused. Which Goldsmith has
:08:40. > :08:43.probably found very difficult. But London in 2015 was one of the
:08:44. > :08:46.few areas in this entire country where Labour did quite well. So it's
:08:47. > :08:50.not surprising that a Labour city would vote for a Labour mayor. The
:08:51. > :08:57.real surprise you might say was the fact that Boris Johnson got the job,
:08:58. > :09:00.that was a personal thing for him. So it's not surprising Zac Goldsmith
:09:01. > :09:04.lost in a sense. It tells you the kind of candidate
:09:05. > :09:13.you have -- need to have, somebody who could talk to a broad audience.
:09:14. > :09:17.If you look at what Sadiq Khan has written, it is closer to the
:09:18. > :09:24.Conservative Party narrative, equality of opportunity. A lot of
:09:25. > :09:31.people would associate Jeremy Corbyn with the equality of outcome
:09:32. > :09:37.approach. Sadiq Khan came from a poor background, he worked hard and
:09:38. > :09:44.got ahead in a profession it is quite difficult to get ahead in. So
:09:45. > :09:47.that is interesting, the broader piece he has written.
:09:48. > :09:55.The Sunday Telegraph, interesting story. Systems struggling to cope
:09:56. > :10:06.with 7000 pupils from European migrant families. This of course is
:10:07. > :10:12.a Brexit story. It is, but it is obviously slightly
:10:13. > :10:15.-- also slightly more complicated. The 7000 pupils are not necessarily
:10:16. > :10:22.pupils who have just sort of recently come into the UK. Their
:10:23. > :10:28.headline looks scary, oh no, there are 7000 -- 700,000 more coming to
:10:29. > :10:34.school. As Tom said, his children would come into that.
:10:35. > :10:40.I realised I was in the statistics! You come in as a journalist and
:10:41. > :10:45.leave as a statistic. Lots of people are not from...
:10:46. > :10:54.Taking your jobs and your school places!
:10:55. > :10:57.We've had to be on talking about her running schools is much more
:10:58. > :11:03.difficult than he thought. He has been open about the fact he found it
:11:04. > :11:07.very difficult. My own personal story is there has been so much of a
:11:08. > :11:12.rise in children in the area I live in is -- that last year my son going
:11:13. > :11:17.into the year seven didn't get a place at the local school, but got a
:11:18. > :11:20.place at a school 16 miles away. 16?
:11:21. > :11:25.I went to appeal. But what happened is that the local
:11:26. > :11:27.secondary school sold off their playing fields and that will
:11:28. > :11:33.continue... I asked the council how that was
:11:34. > :11:36.working, why there were so many going into year seven. They said it
:11:37. > :11:45.was a big birth rate. Birth rates?
:11:46. > :11:50.I was interested, because I've got a friend who is a Spanish journalist
:11:51. > :11:57.who said, do you realise there are 800,000 British people in Spain who
:11:58. > :11:58.tend to be older, and they are "Overburdening our health care
:11:59. > :12:00.system"? I don't know if these figures are
:12:01. > :12:07.right... When you look at these numbers in
:12:08. > :12:13.more detail, obviously as I say I am coming here as part of the
:12:14. > :12:19.statistics. What -- but with French people, of course, the UK has been
:12:20. > :12:22.one of the biggest French cities. But the issue the Telegraph is
:12:23. > :12:27.drawing concern to is the more recent increase, and that is about
:12:28. > :12:32.half this figure. About 350,000 people. We are talking about the
:12:33. > :12:36.school population of 9 million, so 3% to 4% additional figures, which
:12:37. > :12:40.is not enormous. And the other aspect of this is what is the
:12:41. > :12:47.benefit? These children, their parents work here and pay taxes, so
:12:48. > :12:53.it is not a 0-sum game. So in the totality, it is not
:12:54. > :12:58.necessarily proving the case that there is an increased burden on the
:12:59. > :13:03.state, but of course at individual levels like Lucy's case, it doesn't
:13:04. > :13:12.necessarily feel good. It does get difficult if the schools can contain
:13:13. > :13:17.the pupils, but I don't really know. You've done the numbers. Maybe we
:13:18. > :13:22.can get Tom's children to talk about how they feel!
:13:23. > :13:31.Let's talk -- move onto the front page of the Sunday Times, Prince
:13:32. > :13:36.Harry gets no satisfaction "At home on my..." And I have been told by
:13:37. > :13:41.the BBC I cannot say what he is sitting on!
:13:42. > :13:47.I was more interested in his comments about over say.
:13:48. > :13:52.We've had a ding dong about this because part of me feels kind of"
:13:53. > :13:57.tough". A member of the Royal family, it
:13:58. > :14:02.kind of goes with the territory. I'm not sure, I can understand it feels
:14:03. > :14:07.horrible, but we've almost got to a stage where privacy is not about our
:14:08. > :14:14.journalists invading privacy, everybody has a phone, takes
:14:15. > :14:18.pictures of people... You know, if you are a member of the Royal family
:14:19. > :14:23.and there is a lot of stuff that goes with that, good and bad, you
:14:24. > :14:30.have to suck it up a bit or a and live somewhere very, very quiet.
:14:31. > :14:35.Everybody is invading people's privacy all the time, not just his
:14:36. > :14:40.privacy, and people are constantly sending tweets, saying, I saw him
:14:41. > :14:44.doing this... And he is doing a lot of good work, so yeah, keep your
:14:45. > :14:56.shirt on. That's a better headline!
:14:57. > :15:01.One has a lot of sympathy, it is human rights, flavour of the week,
:15:02. > :15:05.but we are entitled to privacy. Given his mother's death, his
:15:06. > :15:11.background, we feel sympathy. But there is a line, as he says, but
:15:12. > :15:15.that line is difficult -- different for a public citizen who is not
:15:16. > :15:21.seeking public office or celebrity. If you are a member of the Royal
:15:22. > :15:24.family, you are in public office but you are actually in public office
:15:25. > :15:28.where people cannot get rid of you. So your character is actually much
:15:29. > :15:34.more important than that of a private individual next door. I
:15:35. > :15:40.suspect that if people sat down and talked about -- thought about this
:15:41. > :15:44.objectively, and decided where the line was, it might not be where he
:15:45. > :15:50.wants it to be. I think a lot of people would say, I
:15:51. > :15:53.think he is right, and still by the newspapers anyway.
:15:54. > :16:01.Let's end with... We were debating before we went on air. My secret
:16:02. > :16:07.heartache, by the Masterchef winner. I've never seen Masterchef, I'm a
:16:08. > :16:13.bloke! It's presented by two blokes. I am a
:16:14. > :16:22.Masterchef fan, and this really, really is a must amazing story.
:16:23. > :16:30.I cried when I watched it. This is the winner, absolutely against the
:16:31. > :16:36.odds winner. She has four children, she stays at home, and she cooks
:16:37. > :16:41.gluten-free food which I cook occasionally, it is very, very
:16:42. > :16:46.difficult to make taste gorgeous. But on top of all that, she has had
:16:47. > :16:51.a very serious battle with cancer for over a decade and three years
:16:52. > :17:02.ago nearly died. And she didn't tell the judges that, John and Gregg,
:17:03. > :17:10.because she wanted to be judged on the food that she produced. And she
:17:11. > :17:16.beat two trendy looking boys with beards, who could also beautiful...
:17:17. > :17:21.Tom, help me out here! I haven't seen it either.
:17:22. > :17:29.We did have a TV in the kitchen, which is where I am. I'm not an
:17:30. > :17:34.armchair chef. It's terrible. Well, I think it's an
:17:35. > :17:36.amazing story and good luck to her. Indeed. Thank you both very much.
:17:37. > :17:42.Just a reminder, we take a look at tomorrow's front pages every
:17:43. > :17:48.evening at 10:30 and 11:30 here on BBC News.
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