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:00:14. > :00:17.to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow.

:00:18. > :00:21.With me are the Political Editor of the Daily Mirror, Jason Beattie,

:00:22. > :00:23.and the Chief Political Correspondent of Buzzfeed,

:00:24. > :00:34.Welcome to you both. Tomorrow's front pages...

:00:35. > :00:37.The FT leads on our main story tonight, the warning from the Bank

:00:38. > :00:40.of England governor over the impact of a vote to leave

:00:41. > :00:44.The same story dominates the front page of City AM, which pictures

:00:45. > :00:46.Mark Carney and the leading leave campaigner and former

:00:47. > :00:50.According to the Guardian, the former Prime Minister Sir John

:00:51. > :00:52.Major will enter the European referendum debate tomorrow,

:00:53. > :01:03.warning some Tories about their focus on immigration.

:01:04. > :01:10.The Mail asked the Prime Minister, what are you scared of? After plans

:01:11. > :01:28.for TV debates during the referendum are confirmed. Sentence

:01:29. > :01:31.The Express pictures the Queen, who received a supermarket voucher

:01:32. > :01:34."Secret China plans to take over nuclear power station"

:01:35. > :01:37.is the headline for the Times, with claims that Beijing

:01:38. > :01:39.is preparing to rescue the Hinkley Point project

:01:40. > :01:43.if the current deal with the French collapses.

:01:44. > :01:50.and the Mirror says a couple conned out of the surrogate mother had

:01:51. > :01:52.expecting a baby, things to good Samaritan.

:01:53. > :02:01.In the Guardian, Brexit Tories warned of immigration. A warning

:02:02. > :02:05.from the former Prime Minister, John Major, passionately pro-European.

:02:06. > :02:09.Yes, and what is interesting is, he says in his speech that immigration

:02:10. > :02:14.is seen as those who want to leave the European Union as their trump

:02:15. > :02:20.card. So this is an attempt to actually counter the one point they

:02:21. > :02:26.think they can win on. The Remain campaign have a very strong argument

:02:27. > :02:29.on the economy. They have what they call Project Fear, where they are

:02:30. > :02:34.beginning to make progress on this, as we will come onto later with the

:02:35. > :02:38.Mark Carney intervention. One thing I find difficult, and a lot of

:02:39. > :02:41.Labour MPs say this to me, the concern in their constituencies is

:02:42. > :02:46.immigration, so John Major is trying to turn this on its head and say,

:02:47. > :02:48.look, actually, you shouldn't play on these fears of immigration,

:02:49. > :02:53.because it could be socially divisive, and you need to be careful

:02:54. > :02:57.of your rhetoric. This is a message to Boris Johnson and Michael Gove,

:02:58. > :03:02.and others in the Leave Campaign. So will it work? I don't know. Some

:03:03. > :03:06.people might say, don't lecture me, but an interesting tactic.

:03:07. > :03:09.An interesting point, isn't it, Amelie? He is saying he will make

:03:10. > :03:13.these comments at Oxford University, but could he puts people off when

:03:14. > :03:20.political bigwigs way into the debate? -- Emily. I think so. We

:03:21. > :03:23.have so many of these headlines with former Prime Minister 's. We have

:03:24. > :03:27.Barack Obama as well, telling people what to do, what to think, and in

:03:28. > :03:30.the end, it might come down to some people going, do you know what, I

:03:31. > :03:33.have some genuine concerns about immigration and I don't really need

:03:34. > :03:36.to tidy my concerns and genuine, thank you very much. They might be

:03:37. > :03:40.affecting school places for my kids, they might be affecting the fact

:03:41. > :03:48.that I can get a GP appointment, and these are genuine concerns. But John

:03:49. > :03:50.Major's argument about it is an interesting one. Obviously, this

:03:51. > :03:54.comes out after these migration statistics, which came out today,

:03:55. > :04:01.which we will talk about in a minute. Yes, yes. So, on the back of

:04:02. > :04:04.all that, ramping up these fears of more immigrants from Europe.

:04:05. > :04:08.And on the back of the Bank of England Mark Carney's comments, of

:04:09. > :04:12.course, which that's not surprisingly make the front page of

:04:13. > :04:18.The Financial Times. Carney warns of recession danger from boat to quit

:04:19. > :04:21.EU. Outspoken comments, Jason. As he stepped out of line, do you think

:04:22. > :04:26.you matter well, no, on the grounds that he is the governor of the Bank

:04:27. > :04:31.of England, and responsible for economic forecasting.

:04:32. > :04:33.Therefore, he has a right to say if he thinks the pound could tumble,

:04:34. > :04:37.that unemployment could rise, that prices could go up and that growth

:04:38. > :04:44.could slump. He has a right to make that point. This has caused absolute

:04:45. > :04:48.fury amongst the Leave campaigners, and they are upset about it, and you

:04:49. > :04:52.can see why. This is damaging, because coming back to Emily's

:04:53. > :04:59.point, who do we take our advice from? Polling shows that we listen

:05:00. > :05:02.to Mark Carney, because he is seen as independent, and he is seen as a

:05:03. > :05:07.serious figure, more than we listen to politicians in this debate. So

:05:08. > :05:15.his intervention is very significant, because it is... The

:05:16. > :05:22.rage is the rage of impotence, because they have nothing to counter

:05:23. > :05:26.it with. Tory MPs are saying he should resign. Why should he resign

:05:27. > :05:29.for doing his job? They are saying he is stepping out

:05:30. > :05:33.of the economic role and into a political one. At Emily, what do you

:05:34. > :05:37.think? Governor of the Bank of England, the monetary policy

:05:38. > :05:39.committee, they have got it wrong in the past.

:05:40. > :05:44.Yes, and that has been pointed out by indent in Smith. He says all

:05:45. > :05:47.forecasts are wrong. The fact is, the Remain campaign has some big

:05:48. > :05:52.voices on its side. The Bank of England governor will have some

:05:53. > :05:55.weight for people, warning of a recession. I was at the

:05:56. > :05:59.anti-corruption Summit today, where David Cameron was asked about this,

:06:00. > :06:05.and he was absolutely loving it, seize on it immediately. We should

:06:06. > :06:09.trust this man, we should trust the monetary committee, they know what

:06:10. > :06:16.they are talking about. And these other -- these are the headlines the

:06:17. > :06:23.government 14, with six more weeks. The FT has a short story about the

:06:24. > :06:27.BBC holding out against direct appointments, the White Paper, of

:06:28. > :06:30.course, published today by the Culture Secretary John Whittingdale.

:06:31. > :06:34.Jason, it struck me as not being quite the fundamental assault on the

:06:35. > :06:38.BBC we have been led to believe? Yes, I think we can all breathe a

:06:39. > :06:46.sigh of relief. I was slightly worried when I was invited onto this

:06:47. > :06:52.programme, but it has not come to pass. The Culture Secretary actually

:06:53. > :06:56.encouraged a whole series of stories, or if not encourage them,

:06:57. > :07:00.he did nothing to stop them, which threatened the worst for the BBC,

:07:01. > :07:03.with fears about its independence, fears they would shackle is

:07:04. > :07:07.scheduling ability, that they would not be able to show Strictly at

:07:08. > :07:10.prime time, and none of it came to pass. I think most people will be

:07:11. > :07:15.mightily relieved. There are some bits of the White Paper which still

:07:16. > :07:20.worry me. The fact that the National Audit Office is now going to be

:07:21. > :07:23.looking at the BBC's accounts, which makes it sound like an extension of

:07:24. > :07:26.government, the fact that there are still fears about what is

:07:27. > :07:32.distinctive broadcasting, that is to be discussed, and they worry about

:07:33. > :07:36.the new BBC board, which will have political appointments on it, which

:07:37. > :07:40.will lead to fears of interference, although the BBC will have majority

:07:41. > :07:46.board members. So it is not a clear victory for those of us who want a

:07:47. > :07:51.strong public sector broadcaster, but, sorry, a strong Public Service

:07:52. > :07:55.Broadcasting, but it is not as bad as it could have been.

:07:56. > :07:57.Amelie, Jason was to study by the BBC holding out against director

:07:58. > :08:01.appointment. This is the unitary board weathered government will be

:08:02. > :08:04.able to appoint people to put on it. There will be some who will say, the

:08:05. > :08:08.government should have been more radical.

:08:09. > :08:11.There were so many headlines about what this white paper would contain,

:08:12. > :08:17.but it has massively been watered down. We saw those Sunday reports

:08:18. > :08:23.about Strictly having to move as it might have clashed with and ITV

:08:24. > :08:25.show. These things were briefed from somewhere, and actually, John

:08:26. > :08:29.Whittingdale has been pretty anti-BBC for quite a long time, so I

:08:30. > :08:32.think what the woman did not want was a row just before the

:08:33. > :08:36.referendum, when they are already struggling with teachers and

:08:37. > :08:39.doctors. -- what the government did not want. The iMac yes, this has

:08:40. > :08:48.been more white flag and white paper!

:08:49. > :08:54.Jason, The Times, plan to take over nuclear station. If these are

:08:55. > :08:58.secret? Had we know about them? We know this because someone stood up

:08:59. > :09:04.in the House of Lords and said it! A former Conservative energy

:09:05. > :09:07.Secretary? A minister. What is interesting is, he is saying there

:09:08. > :09:10.is also to problems at Hinkley Point. It is already running of the

:09:11. > :09:15.budget, as nuclear power stations tend to do. There is concern about

:09:16. > :09:18.the ability to build. The French firm behind it has had problems with

:09:19. > :09:23.the steel and reactor in similar models in northern France, and now,

:09:24. > :09:26.he is revealing that if the French can't do it, the Chinese are willing

:09:27. > :09:32.to step in. Why does this sound alarm bells? Because firstly, the

:09:33. > :09:34.security chiefs and military are worried about security, because an

:09:35. > :09:38.awful lot of technology goes into these things. Then, they are worried

:09:39. > :09:44.about this being used either Chinese, as it says on the story, as

:09:45. > :09:46.a back door way of accessing information and state secrets, or

:09:47. > :09:52.whatever. So this is why it has caused alarm. I would caution a

:09:53. > :09:57.little bit. We do a lot of trade with China already, but our concerns

:09:58. > :10:04.about spying and putting technology to certain uses, but this is also

:10:05. > :10:07.slightly xenophobic, which does also worry me.

:10:08. > :10:11.Let's move on to The International New York Times, Emily, and perhaps

:10:12. > :10:15.unsurprisingly, they have a story about Donald Trump and the House

:10:16. > :10:19.Speaker Paul Ryan, the most powerful Republican in America at the moment,

:10:20. > :10:23.meeting. They have been at loggerheads. They meet in an attempt

:10:24. > :10:26.to forge party unity, but the big question is, is he going to endorse

:10:27. > :10:30.him? Yes, because I think Paul Ryan last

:10:31. > :10:33.week had indicated he was not ready to endorse Donald Trump, who

:10:34. > :10:36.desperately needs a fewer Republicans on his side, seeing as

:10:37. > :10:41.he probably will become the candidate. So they have met today at

:10:42. > :10:47.the Republican national committee. And actually, in a news conference

:10:48. > :10:55.afterwards, Paul Ryan was quite welcoming. Encouraging, wasn't he?

:10:56. > :10:58.He said he found Mr Trump a warm and genuine person. That does not sound

:10:59. > :11:01.that a public endorsement, but it pays the way to making sure the

:11:02. > :11:05.Republican party does not split up. Any thoughts on Donald Trump?

:11:06. > :11:11.What is fascinating about him is, Paul Ryan is seen as a right winger,

:11:12. > :11:15.but because Trump has taken the party so far to the right, he is now

:11:16. > :11:18.seen as this moderate broker, and that shows how much trouble

:11:19. > :11:22.Republicans are in. This party was in danger of fracturing, and because

:11:23. > :11:26.of the poison which Trump has put into it, and here, he is trying to

:11:27. > :11:29.take out a bit about poison. Whether it is enough to save the party

:11:30. > :11:37.against Hillary Clinton, I doubt it. The front page of the Daily Express,

:11:38. > :11:40.Britain's 1.5 hidden migrants -- 1.5 million. Why is this damaging to the

:11:41. > :11:43.government, and how these figures coming out now?

:11:44. > :11:48.This is a headline they just did not want. The reason it has come out now

:11:49. > :11:51.is because the Office for National Statistics has published statistics

:11:52. > :11:54.today. They were supposed to be published close to the referendum,

:11:55. > :11:58.but surprise, surprise, they were published today on a day that the

:11:59. > :12:01.BBC White Paper was also announced, on the day the anti-corruption

:12:02. > :12:06.Summit was happening, but I am sure that was all a coincidence! The top

:12:07. > :12:10.line is that around 1.5 million more EU migrants come to Britain over the

:12:11. > :12:16.past five years than official figures have suggested in the past.

:12:17. > :12:19.That doesn't really give you the full picture, because these are

:12:20. > :12:22.short-term migrants, people who have come here and stayed a few weeks or

:12:23. > :12:29.months and then gone back home. But people are saying, actually, these

:12:30. > :12:33.people have an impact on jobs, and they might not have added to the

:12:34. > :12:40.population as a whole, but those figures have been kind of kept under

:12:41. > :12:44.wraps, so the Leave camp is flagging these stats with joy.

:12:45. > :12:48.Jason, do you think voters have been kept in the dark?

:12:49. > :12:51.It depends whether you think they have been blinded by statistics or

:12:52. > :12:55.not. There are so many ways of counting these things. As Amelie

:12:56. > :12:57.said, this is about discrepancy between the way the Office for

:12:58. > :13:01.National Statistics had been counting migration, and the number

:13:02. > :13:05.of National Insurance numbers given out to people who have come here to

:13:06. > :13:13.work, and this is what it was trying to clear up, so yes, we told the

:13:14. > :13:19.full story today, and we find that actually, this is years, and

:13:20. > :13:22.secondly, they are short-term migrants, people coming to work for

:13:23. > :13:27.in some cases a couple of weeks. I would take John Major's line on

:13:28. > :13:30.this. Me just -- maybe some of the scaremongering needs to be turned

:13:31. > :13:34.down a bit. And in the Daily Express, pictures

:13:35. > :13:39.of the Queen. Hooray, one has won a ?50 Tesco gift voucher. This was in

:13:40. > :13:44.a horse race. What is she going to buy with ?50?

:13:45. > :13:48.Is she actually going to use it? I hope she uses it. They could have

:13:49. > :13:53.given it to someone who uses Tesco. Do they sell hay in Tesco?

:13:54. > :13:58.She seems delighted, doesn't she? She seems to have got over the upset

:13:59. > :14:00.with the Chinese from earlier in the week.

:14:01. > :14:05.And he very much. That is it from us tonight. All the front pages are

:14:06. > :14:09.online on the BBC News website, where you can read a detailed review

:14:10. > :14:16.of the papers. That is all there for you seven days a week UK.

:14:17. > :14:19.And you can see us there as well, with each night's edition of the

:14:20. > :14:22.programme being posted on the page shortly after we finish.

:14:23. > :14:35.And you, Jason and Emily. From all of us, goodbye. -- thank you.

:14:36. > :14:43.Good evening. Many parts of the country once again enjoying a lot of

:14:44. > :14:46.warmth and that strong May sunshine, but there were exceptions in the

:14:47. > :14:48.south-west and Channel Islands. Temperatures leapt into