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:00:00. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

:00:18. > :00:21.With me are the political commentator Jo Phillips

:00:22. > :00:29.and Nigel Nelson of the Sunday People.

:00:30. > :00:33.You are also editor of the Sunday Mirror, two titles.

:00:34. > :00:38.Tomorrow's front pages starting with...

:00:39. > :00:45.A ringing endorsement from Nigel Farage for Boris Johnson

:00:46. > :00:47.to be Prime Minister is the Mail on Sunday's headline.

:00:48. > :00:49.Boris himself is quoted in the Sunday Telegraph,

:00:50. > :00:52.saying the EU is pursuing a similar goal to Hitler and Napoleon

:00:53. > :00:55.in creating a European superstate, albeit with different methods.

:00:56. > :00:57.The Sunday Times says David Cameron fears being replaced

:00:58. > :01:02.It also reports on an alleged CIA tip-off which led

:01:03. > :01:06.The Sunday Express reports on a trial being carried out

:01:07. > :01:14.by the Government over the safety of statin drugs for the heart.

:01:15. > :01:24.I am ever so sorry if you have had enough of the referendum. I shall go

:01:25. > :01:29.now. We will do statin is in a minute to keep you interested. We

:01:30. > :01:36.will start with the Sunday Times. Cameron fears that Boris will be the

:01:37. > :01:40.next leader. The suggestion is it will go to somebody in the Brexit

:01:41. > :01:46.camp is David Cameron's new. What is the thinking? The thinking is it

:01:47. > :01:54.Brexit wins, and there is a lot of Boris to talk about, if the Brexit

:01:55. > :02:03.win, then Cameron will resign and Brexit will take over. But this

:02:04. > :02:09.whole campaign, which is so unpleasant and, I was going to use

:02:10. > :02:16.something rude, but let's say gentle man's posturing, it is becoming

:02:17. > :02:21.ridiculous. This is all about the Tory party, who is going to be the

:02:22. > :02:27.leader of the Tory party. The idea that the Tory party will be ripped

:02:28. > :02:32.apart, if it has not been already, only somebody who wants to leave

:02:33. > :02:39.Europe is the only one who could succeed, which is bad news for

:02:40. > :02:43.George Osborne. We are several weeks away from the actual voting and this

:02:44. > :02:49.is where the newspapers are taking the story. They are looking beyond

:02:50. > :02:53.the result. That is because politicians are taking the story

:02:54. > :02:58.there as well. A lot of talk in the House of commons this week has been

:02:59. > :03:02.about the succession of Cameron. The conventional wisdom would be that he

:03:03. > :03:08.has to go if there is Brexit. Now they are saying maybe he would not

:03:09. > :03:12.have to go. So then how does he negotiate our withdrawal if he does

:03:13. > :03:17.not go? Somebody suggested the way to do that is to make Michael Gove

:03:18. > :03:22.his Deputy Prime Minister who would then negotiate the exit from Europe.

:03:23. > :03:27.I do not believe that, but that is the kind of talk that is going on

:03:28. > :03:31.amongst MPs. They are thinking about now what will happen afterwards and

:03:32. > :03:39.there are still six weeks to go from making a decision. He did say, I am

:03:40. > :03:44.not going to serve a full-time. As soon as you do that, there is

:03:45. > :03:48.speculation about who will succeed him. And Boris is the favourite with

:03:49. > :03:56.the public to take over. There are a lot of MPs in the Tory party who

:03:57. > :03:59.say, we cannot have that. They want to find alternatives. But we ought

:04:00. > :04:04.to be concentrating on the campaign and the biggest decision in a

:04:05. > :04:09.lifetime and not about the politics of what happens afterwards. Whatever

:04:10. > :04:14.happened to George Osborne? He was supposed to be a shoo-in. If the

:04:15. > :04:19.Sunday Times is right and David Cameron thinks it will go to Brexit,

:04:20. > :04:23.then George Osborne is finished. One of the quotes in the story is that

:04:24. > :04:26.George Osborne thinks should there be a leadership election too

:04:27. > :04:37.quickly, he has not got a chance anyway. The Mail on Sunday, Nigel

:04:38. > :04:48.farad, I will back Boris as our PM. We thought it said sour PM. It looks

:04:49. > :04:53.like Nigel Farage would like a job. He would. He has always said during

:04:54. > :04:56.the general election campaign when it looked as if he would get some

:04:57. > :05:02.MPs, he said he would never work with Cameron. He has been absolutely

:05:03. > :05:09.consistent about that. Now he is saying he might be able to work with

:05:10. > :05:12.Boris. But all of this is against the backdrop of him doing the TV

:05:13. > :05:18.debate with Cameron, camera not facing Boris Johnson, and the Leave

:05:19. > :05:24.Campaign really angry about the fact they have not got them and their

:05:25. > :05:30.because Nigel Farage is a tangent to that whole thing. Six months ago he

:05:31. > :05:37.said this is not so much an interview as a lunch review. Simon

:05:38. > :05:43.Walters in the mail goes out to lunch and takes her Nigel Farage out

:05:44. > :05:48.and we do not have their menu, oh, yes it was shepherds pie, and the

:05:49. > :05:58.wind that they drank. Apparently he says he loves Boris and he compares

:05:59. > :06:00.him to Ronald Reagan. Why does he compare him like that? Because

:06:01. > :06:07.people said Ronald Reagan could not be president. But the former

:06:08. > :06:13.Archbishop of Canterbury? George Carey has come out for Brexit. I do

:06:14. > :06:18.not know if he was at the lunch, it does not say. Let's look at the

:06:19. > :06:23.Independent on Sunday. A lot of people have been saying if we can't

:06:24. > :06:28.establish the facts about staying or leaving because the facts are in

:06:29. > :06:33.dispute, it comes down to trust for a lot of people. The Independent on

:06:34. > :06:38.Sunday suggests that Boris is more trusted than Cameron. What do you

:06:39. > :06:44.think about that? It is appalled that they are doing for tomorrow

:06:45. > :06:49.morning and it shows that people think when Boris Johnson speaks he

:06:50. > :06:54.is twice as likely to tell the truth than David Cameron about Europe.

:06:55. > :06:57.When you look at the details of the poll it is fascinating because it is

:06:58. > :07:03.still evenly balanced on the people who think we are better in or better

:07:04. > :07:08.out. But there are still 38% of people who have not decided. Those

:07:09. > :07:12.are the people where it is all to play for. This referendum will go

:07:13. > :07:18.down to the wire and it will be the don't knows who will decide when

:07:19. > :07:24.they finally decide which way to go. A lot of people approach elections

:07:25. > :07:28.in this way, you walk into the ballot booth and you go, I have to

:07:29. > :07:34.pick something. Will that be the case? No, I do not think it will be

:07:35. > :07:39.the case. I have heard more people talking about this saying, what are

:07:40. > :07:44.you going to do, what do you think I should do? In all walks of life and

:07:45. > :07:51.in all circumstances, it is a conversation going around all the

:07:52. > :07:55.country. But these blokes, Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, and to a

:07:56. > :08:00.certain extent David Cameron, are like a rugby club coach party that

:08:01. > :08:05.turns up when you are having a quiet drink and a sensible conversation.

:08:06. > :08:08.You think, could you shut up. There are millions of people who are

:08:09. > :08:16.taking this seriously and really do want to understand and this is a

:08:17. > :08:18.game about boys. Thank heavens for Harriet Harman getting involved in

:08:19. > :08:24.the week and talking about what it means. These are boys and it is

:08:25. > :08:28.silly and we need a bit of common sense. As you say, the polls show

:08:29. > :08:34.that there are an awful lot of people who have not decided and this

:08:35. > :08:40.is not helping. In terms of the gender of the politicians in charge,

:08:41. > :08:44.one of the problems I think is both sides are relying on project fear.

:08:45. > :08:49.For David Cameron he is putting out the fear of the unknown if we leave.

:08:50. > :08:54.For the Brexit site it is the fear of immigration. Both of them are

:08:55. > :08:59.grubby campaigns. The other thing they keep doing is throwing out

:09:00. > :09:04.figures that are meaningless. They pluck them out of the air, and even

:09:05. > :09:08.if they were true, they are hardly intelligible. They have to help

:09:09. > :09:16.people decide are they personally better off in or out. And talk about

:09:17. > :09:20.the future. Yes. It is not like the general election were it happens on

:09:21. > :09:25.June the 23rd and you have got five years of government, this is for

:09:26. > :09:32.ever, this is about our children grandchildren. What would be better

:09:33. > :09:37.would be to simplify the matter. There is too much information. I

:09:38. > :09:47.fear I should rebuke you for your sexist comments. The Sunday

:09:48. > :09:51.Telegraph, Boris, how the EU was super state how Hitler did. The

:09:52. > :09:57.other day somebody described what David Cameron was saying as

:09:58. > :10:04.Churchillian. Boris has been compared with Winston tonight. This

:10:05. > :10:10.is the nonsense, this is the overblown language where they are

:10:11. > :10:16.trying to outdo each other. To be fair, Boris is not quite saying that

:10:17. > :10:21.the EU wants a superstate as Hitler did. We have already seen the

:10:22. > :10:30.comments about Hitler that got Ken Livingstone in a mess. But he does

:10:31. > :10:35.say, Napoleon and Hitler, various people tried this out, this sense of

:10:36. > :10:40.the European Union, and it has always ended tragically. There is no

:10:41. > :10:45.underlying loyalty to the idea of Europe, there is no single authority

:10:46. > :10:51.that people respect. I feel if Boris carries on at this rate, he will

:10:52. > :10:59.take off like the Hindenburg. Like on the zip wire again. He might blow

:11:00. > :11:02.up with his own pomposity. It is ridiculous to start invoking Hitler,

:11:03. > :11:08.in the same way it was ridiculous during the week that Cameron

:11:09. > :11:13.suggested if we pulled out, it would start world War three. If he

:11:14. > :11:17.believes that, why are we holding a referendum? If that is the risk, we

:11:18. > :11:22.should not be doing any of this at all. By Nelly, statin. You would

:11:23. > :11:28.never have thought you would have been so pleased to hear that. The

:11:29. > :11:35.Sunday Express, government to fund fresh controversial heart drug amid

:11:36. > :11:40.fears of doctors overprescribing. I have read quite a few headlines in

:11:41. > :11:46.the express championing statin 's. Do not be so silly! How unusual is

:11:47. > :11:53.it for a government to fund a trial like this? It is not that unusual,

:11:54. > :11:59.but there is a lot of concern about Miss prescribing and mixed messages.

:12:00. > :12:06.Nigel is the expert on statin 's. I actually take them and I am angry

:12:07. > :12:10.about stories like this. I was told there were no side effects until I

:12:11. > :12:12.had muscle agony for three months. It was painful and you get used to

:12:13. > :12:19.them. Did it go away? Yes, but them. Did it go away? Yes, but

:12:20. > :12:25.initially it was unpleasant. However, the medical advice is

:12:26. > :12:30.constantly contradictory. How can we trust our doctors if at one point

:12:31. > :12:35.you are told you will take a miracle drug and the next point you are told

:12:36. > :12:41.it might kill you? This is the kind of stuff that is going out. I would

:12:42. > :12:44.rather they got it right first time around. They are doing it, they are

:12:45. > :12:50.spending this money to do this research. There are so many things

:12:51. > :12:56.that people say once upon a time was a wonder drug and then it is not. It

:12:57. > :13:02.comes down to the individual. You way up the evidence. And it is about

:13:03. > :13:06.the prescribing and whether it is appropriate to you and what else is

:13:07. > :13:14.going on. People might think they are watching casualty. That is it

:13:15. > :13:22.for this review. You will be back again earlier than usual. We will be

:13:23. > :13:29.back at quarter past 11. We will be here for another look at the front

:13:30. > :13:30.pages. Coming up it is time for