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:00:00. > :00:00.But still leads the rest by four shots, on 14 under par.

:00:00. > :00:08.That is all the sport. Now on BBC News it is Gavin Esler with The

:00:09. > :00:18.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

:00:19. > :00:21.With me are Claire Cohen, the Deputy Women's Editor

:00:22. > :00:24.of the Daily Telegraph and Dave Wooding, Political Editor

:00:25. > :00:31.A ringing endorsement from Nigel Farage for Boris Johnson

:00:32. > :00:35.to become Prime Minister is the Mail on Sunday's headline.

:00:36. > :00:37.Boris himself is quoted in the Sunday Telegraph -

:00:38. > :00:40.saying the EU is pursuing a similar goal to Hitler and Napoleon,

:00:41. > :00:45.in creating a European super-state, albeit with different methods.

:00:46. > :00:53.The Sunday Times says David Cameron fears being replaced

:00:54. > :00:57.It also has the story of an alleged CIA tip-off,

:00:58. > :00:58.that led to the arrest of Nelson Mandela.

:00:59. > :01:01.And the Sunday Express reports on a trial being carried out

:01:02. > :01:04.by the government over the safety of statin drugs for the heart.

:01:05. > :01:07.UK households are to be targeted this week as part of a mass campaign

:01:08. > :01:10.to encourage people to vote in the EU referendum.

:01:11. > :01:14.That's on the front page of the Observer, that also has

:01:15. > :01:16.a story about GPs criticising care for children

:01:17. > :01:28.So, let's begin. Let's begin with the Telegraph. Boris, how the EU

:01:29. > :01:34.wants a superstate as Hitler did. You knew Hitler would come into this

:01:35. > :01:40.argument at some point and here he is. We have already had plenty of

:01:41. > :01:47.Churchill so these names will pop up. It is a great headline. Boris,

:01:48. > :01:51.ever the classicist says in 2000 years of European history, it has

:01:52. > :01:55.been characterised by repeated attempts to unify Europe under a

:01:56. > :02:00.single government. Napoleon and Hitler tried to carry it out. The EU

:02:01. > :02:03.is trying to do the same thing by different methods.

:02:04. > :02:07.They are potentially inflammatory comments. People are saying on

:02:08. > :02:14.social media what is it with former mayors of London coming out and

:02:15. > :02:19.bringing Hitler into the argument?! It is covered in the Telegraph and

:02:20. > :02:24.other papers constantly, the splits in the Conservative Party, if you

:02:25. > :02:29.word David Cameron or George Osborne, you are being told that you

:02:30. > :02:34.are Neville Chamberlain, and appeaser. That will not go down

:02:35. > :02:42.well. It won't and we have had a lot of grand statements characterising

:02:43. > :02:45.this debate. We have had Churchill mentioned, now then saying it will

:02:46. > :02:53.lead to world War three. It makes me wonder why they are taking the risk

:02:54. > :02:57.of this in the first place. We have six weeks to go! This shows a

:02:58. > :03:01.cranking up of the rhetoric. Last week we had David Cameron saying it

:03:02. > :03:10.would be world War three and people thinking this was a crazy over the

:03:11. > :03:15.top thing to say, and now Boris has out done him with rhetoric. This is

:03:16. > :03:22.the antidote to the war story. Europe keeps the peace. Boris is

:03:23. > :03:26.effectively saying this is the creation of a superstate like Hitler

:03:27. > :03:32.wanted, and the three words he uses are by different means peacefully.

:03:33. > :03:37.It shows the intention in the different countries being forced to

:03:38. > :03:41.amalgamate together. The problem is, he has invoked the word Hitler. As

:03:42. > :03:48.Ken Livingstone learned to his cost, as well as rhetoric, we're getting

:03:49. > :03:54.outrage. Every time people say it we get, this is an outrage, a scandal!

:03:55. > :03:58.Was he right to mention a dark period in history? Probably not. The

:03:59. > :04:03.EU, whether it you like it or not, it has been a voluntary union.

:04:04. > :04:09.People have joined it because their government has voted for it rather

:04:10. > :04:15.than being taken over by the Roman legion. But the Brexit people will

:04:16. > :04:19.say when we signed to join it in 1975, there were not 28 nations with

:04:20. > :04:25.others in the waiting room. There were five or Six Nations. This leads

:04:26. > :04:30.us on to what is going on within the Conservative Party. The Sunday

:04:31. > :04:34.Times: Cameron fears Boris will be the next leader. At some point there

:04:35. > :04:47.will be a success in question which he sees as a problem and it links us

:04:48. > :04:54.with the Mail. Far edge says he will back Boris for Prime Minister even

:04:55. > :05:00.though he does not have a say. He has hit the front page of three

:05:01. > :05:03.papers this morning. David Cameron has apparently had a private

:05:04. > :05:09.conversation with someone in which he believes that a Brexit person

:05:10. > :05:14.will be the next Prime Minister. That is a good bet. Even if he wins

:05:15. > :05:19.the referendum, unless he wins it comfortably, there are the sharks

:05:20. > :05:22.circling, the hard right of the Conservative Party, the

:05:23. > :05:25.Eurosceptics. They don't like what David Cameron has done, they don't

:05:26. > :05:30.like the way he has handled the referendum and the way he has tried

:05:31. > :05:34.to twist people's arms. They will be so incensed if they lose and

:05:35. > :05:41.victorious if they win, the chances are they may force a leadership

:05:42. > :05:45.battle. Especially if it is quick. The grassroots people are

:05:46. > :05:52.intrinsically Eurosceptics so they are more likely to back a exit

:05:53. > :05:55.person. These are more stories about Tory civil war, infighting, the

:05:56. > :06:00.party dividing and it is not the issues which is perhaps what is

:06:01. > :06:05.missing from all of these stories. The Sunday Times piece is already

:06:06. > :06:10.looking beyond what is happening after June 23 and we are already six

:06:11. > :06:15.weeks away. The interesting question for me is, what will make people

:06:16. > :06:20.change their votes, particularly people who are undecided. Will it be

:06:21. > :06:24.Hitler, world War three, the big rhetoric, or will it be, will I keep

:06:25. > :06:28.my job, what do I think of immigration, the sovereignty

:06:29. > :06:33.question, all of these which are important issues but difficult to

:06:34. > :06:37.get to the bottom of. They are and I think these reports show how

:06:38. > :06:40.difficult it is to get to the nub of them. I think what British people

:06:41. > :06:44.care about what the households will look like and what their children's

:06:45. > :06:50.futures will look like, not the future of the Tory party. How bad is

:06:51. > :06:54.it to try and pull the party together when it is so clearly split

:06:55. > :07:00.down the middle on an issue like this. Whoever is leader will either

:07:01. > :07:04.have a split party or they will have to heal the wounds which will be

:07:05. > :07:11.tricky. They have kept a lid on this for many years. If you turn the

:07:12. > :07:15.clock back to 1992, 1995, John Major was struggling with the Eurosceptics

:07:16. > :07:19.in the Conservative Party. David Cameron has tried to lance the boil

:07:20. > :07:23.but it has brought all the bile out. It will be difficult to get a lid

:07:24. > :07:28.back on it. It has all come flooding out. This is their one chance, June

:07:29. > :07:34.23, to take Britain out of Europe. If they fail, they will fail

:07:35. > :07:39.forever. The seething anger in the Eurosceptic camp is quite

:07:40. > :07:44.substantial. John Major made some outspoken comments, he has named

:07:45. > :07:53.names and saying they are flirting with danger. Now we are in a

:07:54. > :07:58.position where we have Nigel Farage backing Boris to be Prime Minister.

:07:59. > :08:02.It is everybody piling in. What this did make me think is another

:08:03. > :08:07.situation where we have Boris Johnson and Donald Trump on the

:08:08. > :08:10.world stage. That is an interesting question. There are those who see

:08:11. > :08:14.Boris Johnson as the Churchillian figure and that is when you are

:08:15. > :08:18.simply Hitler question, how he sees himself, there are others who see

:08:19. > :08:22.him as the Donald Trump figure who can say things which are outrageous

:08:23. > :08:28.to some people and yet they get headlines on three major reddish

:08:29. > :08:32.newspapers on one day. He can be a unifying figure. We only have to

:08:33. > :08:38.think about him hanging off a zip wire and he was not laughing about

:08:39. > :08:50.that?! He is potentially divisive and some people do see him as a

:08:51. > :08:53.Donald Trump figure. He won two elections for the Mail rule the

:08:54. > :08:59.inland and which is intrinsically Labour and he does cut through the

:09:00. > :09:08.political divide #2-macro mayoral elections. A massive turnout

:09:09. > :09:14.campaign has been launched and there is a piece in the Observer saying

:09:15. > :09:17.young voters could make this election for one side or the other

:09:18. > :09:20.and someone saying I don't want my grandad to tell me what my future

:09:21. > :09:26.will be. It is very just in trying to recruit people who have not

:09:27. > :09:30.registered to vote. We are told that 7.5 million people are currently not

:09:31. > :09:34.registered to vote which is extremely worrying. Postal votes is

:09:35. > :09:38.an interesting one as well. In the Scottish referendum 11,000 people

:09:39. > :09:43.tried to register to vote Poster Lee and registered too late so they were

:09:44. > :09:47.not able to. They are starting this campaign six weeks ahead of the vote

:09:48. > :09:51.to try and get people to sign up and explaining what to do an old day. It

:09:52. > :09:58.sounds patronising but I think it is important. There was a lot of

:09:59. > :10:04.confusion on the London assembly, how many votes you had and first and

:10:05. > :10:12.second choice -- what to do on polling day. This has been going on

:10:13. > :10:15.since the early 90s so some of us have been discussing it for a very

:10:16. > :10:20.long time but there is a whole generation of voters who have not

:10:21. > :10:24.really thought about it because the EU has been part of their lives. You

:10:25. > :10:28.have to be pushing 62 have voted last time round. Young people have

:10:29. > :10:35.known nothing else other than Europe. For young people at Israeli

:10:36. > :10:40.in the dark because they do not know of a Britain outside of Europe. Old

:10:41. > :10:44.people remember the good old days when Britain ruled itself. Young

:10:45. > :10:48.people are less likely to vote but more likely to vote to stay in.

:10:49. > :10:53.Older people are more likely to vote and more likely to vote to leave.

:10:54. > :10:58.The idea for David Cameron and the Remain group is to get the vote out.

:10:59. > :11:02.That is the most important thing, to get people to vote because that will

:11:03. > :11:08.play more into their hands. This vote will be forever, it is either

:11:09. > :11:13.in or out and that is it. Very interesting. Let's move on to a more

:11:14. > :11:18.serious story, page three of the Sunday Times.

:11:19. > :11:24.Stalin and an alien steal the sparkle from Eurovision. I take it

:11:25. > :11:30.you were watching it? I watched some of it. I cannot claim to see the

:11:31. > :11:35.whole thing. I saw half a dozen songs and felt I had seen it all but

:11:36. > :11:40.I did see the winning entry. It is sort of end of kitsch, this very

:11:41. > :11:45.heartfelt moving performance, singing about her family fleeing

:11:46. > :11:50.Stalin captured everyone's imagination. It is different from

:11:51. > :11:55.the freak show elements which we quite like, like to dislike. Like

:11:56. > :11:58.the European referendum which is another big European battle, there

:11:59. > :12:05.was a dispute over the voting whether it was fair or not, because

:12:06. > :12:11.Australian finished second. That well-known European power. And it

:12:12. > :12:18.was won by Ukraine who want to join the EU. Maybe they will step up the

:12:19. > :12:21.campaign. To avoid the inevitable e-mails, we no Eurovision is

:12:22. > :12:27.different from the European Union. I did not watch it, I was more

:12:28. > :12:38.interested in Saracens winning. I will watch the BBC Young musician of

:12:39. > :12:44.the year final. This headline says cheated into wasting 12,600 seconds

:12:45. > :12:49.of my life. What is interesting is there was a great public vote. The

:12:50. > :12:53.UK came 24th and we cannot say it is all political because the public

:12:54. > :13:02.voted and we still came third from the bottom. We will invite you back

:13:03. > :13:09.if it is the end of kitsch. I am not convinced on that one. What is next?

:13:10. > :13:14.The Observer. Care for children with mental health problems won't fall

:13:15. > :13:19.says GPs. They have an interesting story inside about depression and

:13:20. > :13:23.pain behind the eyes, how artists have captured people suffering from

:13:24. > :13:26.depression. It is something they have campaigned about, a very

:13:27. > :13:31.serious topic which at least we are now talking about which we did not

:13:32. > :13:35.use too. This coming week starting tomorrow is a mental health

:13:36. > :13:40.awareness week so no better time to talk about it. This story in the

:13:41. > :13:54.Observer is shocking. Family doctors not caring for children

:13:55. > :13:58.with mental health wait for up to a year for specialist help. This is

:13:59. > :14:00.something which is coming to the surface more and more. There was a

:14:01. > :14:03.statistic this week saying self harm is one of the biggest killers of

:14:04. > :14:05.young people in the UK which is shocking and there is so little

:14:06. > :14:08.understanding about it. In this story it says the support is not

:14:09. > :14:10.there until they reach the high thresholds which are required. We

:14:11. > :14:16.are leaving it to a critical stage, you have to be really ill before

:14:17. > :14:22.anyone pays any attention. Early intervention helps, what do you make

:14:23. > :14:26.of it? It is a really bleak picture. I know the Liberal Democrats were

:14:27. > :14:29.they wearing coalition with the government, they raised this issue

:14:30. > :14:36.several times and David Cameron recently said he would make mental

:14:37. > :14:40.health a big issue so let's hope he does that because it affects more

:14:41. > :14:45.families than we dreamed it did. It is kept below the surface because

:14:46. > :14:49.people do not like to talk about it. David Cameron said he would make it

:14:50. > :14:54.a big issue and it was a key election pledge but then we have the

:14:55. > :14:59.mental health czar losing her job so you have to wonder how big a

:15:00. > :15:08.priority it is? It is party politics. I love this story in the

:15:09. > :15:14.Observer, women say Trump is creepy, Clinton has a man problem, how the

:15:15. > :15:18.gender gap could be decisive in the presidential race. Women think Trump

:15:19. > :15:26.is creepy, men do not think that at all. Hillary Clinton certainly has a

:15:27. > :15:32.problem with white male voters, there is no doubt about it. Lucy

:15:33. > :15:38.Rock says she thinks it is the most gender driven election in American

:15:39. > :15:43.history. This is a great romp through all of Trump's awful sexist

:15:44. > :15:50.comments about women he has made through the years calling women fat

:15:51. > :15:55.pigs, dogs, slobs. It is no surprise that 77% of women have an

:15:56. > :16:00.unfavourable opinion of him. There is a shock. It is an interesting

:16:01. > :16:03.story and interestingly as well, Elizabeth Warren, a prominent

:16:04. > :16:08.senator in Massachusetts, who has called Trump on some of these

:16:09. > :16:17.things, she has been subjected to the sort of stuff that we would be

:16:18. > :16:22.regarding as abuse from Donald Trump. There are some of the

:16:23. > :16:28.outpourings of Donald Trump. The microcosm of this for me is in

:16:29. > :16:32.Florida, the gap is widening into a gulf between the two candidates or

:16:33. > :16:38.the two potential candidates. Donald Trump has a 13 point lead among male

:16:39. > :16:46.voters and Hillary Clinton has a 13 point lead among female voters which

:16:47. > :16:51.just goes to show the huge divide. I think we have time for one other one

:16:52. > :16:57.which is the Telegraph. Is Bond's secret out? Odds plummet on Tom

:16:58. > :17:03.Hiddleston 4007. What do you think? His name has been banded around and

:17:04. > :17:08.we have heard he met Sam Mendez and Barbara broccoli last week. He is

:17:09. > :17:16.only 35. Do we think he is too young? I saw him in the Night

:17:17. > :17:22.Manager and thought he was really good except in the fighting scenes.

:17:23. > :17:32.You do need a bit of a thug. Daniel Craig has got a bit of suave and

:17:33. > :17:40.also published nurse. -- thuggish behaviour. Sean Connery was good but

:17:41. > :17:46.it is difficult to get someone who can fit into that because it is such

:17:47. > :17:51.a stereotypical role. We will see. Sometimes people grow into the role.

:17:52. > :18:01.Roger Moore was quite suave. He would be my top Bond. He was a

:18:02. > :18:03.little bit more witty. That is true, there was almost slapstick at

:18:04. > :18:07.sometimes, which was great. Slightly tongue in cheek. Daniel Craig is not

:18:08. > :18:09.tongue in cheek, more punch your teeth out. You have to have the

:18:10. > :18:11.underlying humour. Thanks to Claire Cohen

:18:12. > :18:14.and Dave Wooding. Just a reminder we take a look

:18:15. > :18:17.at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10.30pm and 11.30pm

:18:18. > :18:37.here on BBC News. Hello. Good morning. It has been a

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