:00:00. > :00:00.suspicions of Mr Witcher. She has turned her attention to another
:00:00. > :00:08.real-life Victorian murder case for her latest book, the Wicket Boy. --
:00:09. > :00:13.wicked. With me are the Iraqi-British
:00:14. > :00:22.journalist Mina Al-Oraibi, and the Political Columnist
:00:23. > :00:24.for The Independent Steve Richards. Tomorrow's front pages,
:00:25. > :00:30.starting with... The Metro reports on what it calls
:00:31. > :00:33.a 'security blunder' at Old Trafford, after the discovery
:00:34. > :00:36.of a training device led to Manchester United's
:00:37. > :00:41.match being abandoned. A disappointed pair of United fans
:00:42. > :00:45.is the image on the Guardian, which also reports on fears
:00:46. > :00:47.of a shortage of armed The Telegraph also focuses
:00:48. > :00:51.on the bomb scare in Manchester and also has a picture of the Queen
:00:52. > :00:56.at the 90th birthday party. The backlash facing Boris Johnson
:00:57. > :01:01.for his comments about Hitler and EU And sticking with the referendum,
:01:02. > :01:07.the Express claims three point two billion pounds is spent
:01:08. > :01:21.on educating children from the EU -- three 2p. -- three 2p. A mix of
:01:22. > :01:27.stories tomorrow, and a bit of a scramble as well, for many editors
:01:28. > :01:30.and newsrooms tonight. Trying to get the latest information on the
:01:31. > :01:35.Manchester United game? Sunday afternoon is normally a quiet time.
:01:36. > :01:38.Everyone is winding down! This was busy because it was one of those
:01:39. > :01:44.stories where you have vivid pictures a high drama, of... I think
:01:45. > :01:49.it is the first time a premiership football match has been stopped out
:01:50. > :01:53.of fear of a security risk. Then you have the unravelling of what was the
:01:54. > :01:59.cause of it. Later on, some of the additions were still like the
:02:00. > :02:03.Telegraph headline, footballs bomb scare sparks Euro 2016 fears,
:02:04. > :02:08.referring to the championship, not France. Now it has been established
:02:09. > :02:13.it was completely innocent. They had to really work hard to get to that?
:02:14. > :02:16.Let's have a look at The Guardian newspaper, I would imagine some of
:02:17. > :02:22.the pictures have changed, there is a picture here they sobbing fan,
:02:23. > :02:26.hugged by his dad. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't if you want the
:02:27. > :02:30.emergency services... The pictures could have been so different. It
:02:31. > :02:34.could have been, it is an emotive picture to have this little boy
:02:35. > :02:38.crying, you can imagine the sadness and frustration for the little boy
:02:39. > :02:42.but you can imagine the relief of the father that they are OK. They
:02:43. > :02:46.had to come you have no choice, if there is a suspect package you have
:02:47. > :02:51.to take that measure. This is what I mean, they would have been OK if it
:02:52. > :02:55.was a real bomb? The emergency services reacted quickly tonight.
:02:56. > :03:00.They did Saint 5000 people were evacuated, there was no getting hurt
:03:01. > :03:06.or panic, but the person in charge of the device, they got rid of it
:03:07. > :03:11.somewhere in the stadium, after the drill of last week, -- 75,000.
:03:12. > :03:15.Manchester was, last week, the Centre of what it would be like if
:03:16. > :03:23.there was a mass scale attack from extremist terrorists. You have the
:03:24. > :03:26.remainder of the device, there would be questions asked of the person who
:03:27. > :03:31.disposed of it, it is ridiculous. But the photo is telling, it did
:03:32. > :03:38.scare people, you can imagine those moments when they say it is code
:03:39. > :03:42.red. It works on so many elements, I heard an interview coming in this
:03:43. > :03:49.evening with someone who had come from Australia or something to watch
:03:50. > :03:54.the match. They now won't be seeing it, in fact it was safe there. You
:03:55. > :03:58.have that level, everything with football is hyped up anyway, but
:03:59. > :04:03.also you have, we should all have thought about this ever since the
:04:04. > :04:06.terrible events in Paris which included a football match being
:04:07. > :04:11.disrupted, and international football match, what would happen if
:04:12. > :04:14.it ever happened here? It has not today, but what did happen at Old
:04:15. > :04:21.Trafford, this is a direct consequence, there is now such a
:04:22. > :04:26.fearful attention to any potential threat that this is going to happen
:04:27. > :04:32.again. The good thing that it is that than the other side. The Metro
:04:33. > :04:42.newspaper's headline is "Security blunder". Many papers are basically
:04:43. > :04:45.taking the view that it is a blunder, not a success.
:04:46. > :04:49.Retrospectively, some of it seems very silly, you can make a dark
:04:50. > :04:53.comedy out of what has happened but I still think it is better that way
:04:54. > :04:57.around, I don't know about you, but it is interesting to have the
:04:58. > :05:03.debate. It could be dodgy, let's keep them all in here... One of the
:05:04. > :05:06.problems is, the terrorists didn't even have to do anything and people
:05:07. > :05:12.panic. There is a way is the thing off, you have the Telegraph saying
:05:13. > :05:17."Bomb scare for Euro 2016". No one has done anything and yet they can
:05:18. > :05:20.create panic, but better safe than sorry, if you are responsible and
:05:21. > :05:27.calling the shots you have all of that pressure. To make sure people
:05:28. > :05:30.are say. There will be more headlines in France. I remember
:05:31. > :05:35.before the Olympics here, one of the big issues was the terror threat.
:05:36. > :05:41.Even though it did not materialise, the fact it was spoken about shows
:05:42. > :05:45.it is a constant in all our lives. It is an interesting debate about
:05:46. > :05:49.whether the newspapers have it right, but having said that, there
:05:50. > :05:53.are more serious blunders after terror attacks, people thought to be
:05:54. > :05:58.carrying weapons that word, people thought to be suspects who weren't,
:05:59. > :06:03.the authorities get very jittery. It could have been more serious than
:06:04. > :06:08.disposing of a device that was used as a training aid. Yes. It could.
:06:09. > :06:13.There is no science to dealing with this. There will be mistakes, it was
:06:14. > :06:16.a fast moving story. It is interesting is seeing the first
:06:17. > :06:23.editions of the papers coming in, they are quickly catching up with
:06:24. > :06:28.the whole sequence. This week, it was the cafe in Iraq that was
:06:29. > :06:32.bombed, there were real Madrid supporters watching the game and 12
:06:33. > :06:36.people died. La Liga, the Spanish league, had at the beginning of
:06:37. > :06:40.their game a moment of silence. If you think about it, people around
:06:41. > :06:45.the world have to deal with this possible threat. But you are right,
:06:46. > :06:49.every time we go somewhere like the cinema or theatre, you think there
:06:50. > :06:54.are enough if you dare, security forces should be able to dismantle
:06:55. > :06:58.it before you get that far. To have a bomb in place. The threat in Iraq
:06:59. > :07:02.is greater than the UK, how do the people in Iraq cope with it every
:07:03. > :07:07.day? It becomes a new sense of normal, you have heightened
:07:08. > :07:16.security, think about our sense of normal since we've had a taxi in
:07:17. > :07:22.2005. It's robust -- attacks in 2005. Iraq is the same. They get on
:07:23. > :07:27.with it as if it was OK? Not like it is OK, it wears you down eventually,
:07:28. > :07:32.but you take precautions. If you think you will be attacked, you take
:07:33. > :07:36.different routes. It is constant readjustment, and at the moment we
:07:37. > :07:42.are seeing a decimation of attacks. I've only been to Kabul, I found
:07:43. > :07:45.Kabul very tense. Is the same kind of thing, the local people get on
:07:46. > :07:49.with it, they are vigilant but get on with it. They love it when they
:07:50. > :07:54.see foreigners because it means perhaps you have some trust to be
:07:55. > :08:00.there. They know that you're taking a risk to be there and you are
:08:01. > :08:05.welcome, that could be the next step. We see stadiums of tighter
:08:06. > :08:08.security like Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel, places like that. The
:08:09. > :08:15.Daily Telegraph point that way, football bomb scare sparks Euro 2016
:08:16. > :08:19.fears... How secure will our stadiums be during 2016? The show,
:08:20. > :08:25.you can guarantee security will be intense. It will cost a fortune --
:08:26. > :08:36.for sure. People will have to arrive early at the grounds. This has
:08:37. > :08:41.happened to a Spurs ticket holder, we are now told that we will get
:08:42. > :08:45.e-mails from Spurs, saying to arrive much earlier, your bags will be
:08:46. > :08:49.searched and queues will be longer. There is a kind of search bags, but
:08:50. > :08:56.these big stadiums with thousands of people coming. It is difficult to
:08:57. > :09:00.control this. Do we wanted to go as far as it has done in other
:09:01. > :09:06.countries? Where there are armed guards at stadiums and shopping
:09:07. > :09:10.centres and cinemas? I agree. Especially in the UK... Then the
:09:11. > :09:16.terrorists are winning because we are losing freedom? In the UK we are
:09:17. > :09:20.lucky that we do not have to have visible armed police. You see it at
:09:21. > :09:25.Heathrow and other airports, but for France, the fact that they have had
:09:26. > :09:30.two major incidents in the last 12 months means there is extreme
:09:31. > :09:33.pressure on their services, on their police and the army, to be involved.
:09:34. > :09:39.I think they've taken it into account, what happened today will
:09:40. > :09:43.definitely heightened pressure and people's sense of danger, that this
:09:44. > :09:48.could be the case. Shall we move onto other stories? There are some
:09:49. > :09:52.others around, this is kind of related. You want to go back to The
:09:53. > :09:58.Guardian, there is another story on the front pages, police fear a
:09:59. > :10:01.shortage of armed officers. It follows the announcement at the
:10:02. > :10:05.start of the year that we will get more armed officers in London, now
:10:06. > :10:09.there is a shortage? Yes, it's interesting. You are right, there
:10:10. > :10:17.was an announcement of more... How many, 6000? 1500 more, they want
:10:18. > :10:21.3000 volunteers because they have two vet them. You might get 1500
:10:22. > :10:27.saying they would do it but they have not been vetted. Police
:10:28. > :10:31.officers had to volunteer to carry a gun. It's a classic thing, you get
:10:32. > :10:37.an announcement and huge headlines about it, all of the rest of it, the
:10:38. > :10:45.implementation then takes ages, and clearly it is still not happening at
:10:46. > :10:49.the moment. 5647 firearms officers currently in major cities like
:10:50. > :10:54.London, that is in The Guardian, but they need more than that? An extra
:10:55. > :11:02.1500. It's what you were saying earlier about the balance between
:11:03. > :11:06.security and not being so has been transformed whether threat, wherever
:11:07. > :11:09.you go there aren't officers. It has been generally accepted you need
:11:10. > :11:14.more. I remember when the announcement was made, I don't think
:11:15. > :11:19.there was any dispute, I don't think the opposition were saying, what are
:11:20. > :11:21.you doing, arming more officers? But there is an announcement and months
:11:22. > :11:26.later nothing has happened. According to The Guardian, officers
:11:27. > :11:31.answered getting forward to say that they want to do it. The law is, if
:11:32. > :11:37.you have to use your firearm in the UK, it is taken very seriously. The
:11:38. > :11:42.US has a huge problem that it you use your firearm, police aren't
:11:43. > :11:45.always held responsible, here it is stringent. The interview with the
:11:46. > :11:48.deputy police constable says they had to make sure that the law
:11:49. > :11:52.protects police officers. If they carry a gun, they may have
:11:53. > :12:00.to use it. What does it mean for the laws here? And the fears of
:12:01. > :12:04.something going wrong? It's interesting, you mentioned America.
:12:05. > :12:07.There have been radio debates on this, it is not scientific but very
:12:08. > :12:13.much half and half, people are formal protection, some don't want
:12:14. > :12:17.to see more guns. If the police arming themselves, the criminals and
:12:18. > :12:21.terrorists then arm themselves, that is the big issue in America.
:12:22. > :12:28.Politics on the front pages, I say politics, Boris Johnson...
:12:29. > :12:32.He is politics! Unfortunately, this is what politics has come down to!
:12:33. > :12:38.1-storey dominates, it is The i newspaper, the front page, he is
:12:39. > :12:47.under fire for an EU Hitler jibe, and more reaction? -- one story. The
:12:48. > :12:56.out campaign has become the focus on him. Certainly in the media, and
:12:57. > :13:00.elsewhere. It has been since he Out, nobody knew what he was doing.
:13:01. > :13:04.The level of scrutiny in my view committee has not come out of it
:13:05. > :13:11.well, he has never been a cabinet minister and had to outside London
:13:12. > :13:15.frame an argument over a sustained period of time. Scrutinised hour by
:13:16. > :13:21.hour by political opponents and the media, some are synthetic to him. I
:13:22. > :13:25.think he is coming out of it badly so far -- sympathetic to him. The
:13:26. > :13:30.Hitler thing, he was trying to make an argument about a superstate, a
:13:31. > :13:34.European superstate, and arguing that Hitler did it, now this lot are
:13:35. > :13:39.trying to do it. Being a journalist he would have known it would have
:13:40. > :13:46.taken off in a particular way. I think it is misjudged, I think it is
:13:47. > :13:49.a sign that in this desperate bid for winning the headline war they
:13:50. > :13:54.are worried they aren't winning it so far, we have had him attacking
:13:55. > :13:59.Obama for being half Kenyan, whatever he said about him when he
:14:00. > :14:07.was here, this is another example. The argument is valid and
:14:08. > :14:10.interesting, I disagree it will become and intimidating superstate,
:14:11. > :14:15.but he undermines it, why is he raising Hitler and we are in Ken
:14:16. > :14:21.Livingstone territory again? It's a persistent theme, he is dominating
:14:22. > :14:27.the campaign and getting front-page attraction, but if he is winning
:14:28. > :14:31.over the doubters? I wonder. Some people he is resonating with, and he
:14:32. > :14:38.knows it. He is tapping into fear as well as fact, the remain camp are
:14:39. > :14:42.becoming just as a motive and passionate, less about fact and more
:14:43. > :14:47.about how they desperately feel strongly that we should stay in the
:14:48. > :14:52.EU. This is at a time when we are 40 days away, you have undecided voters
:14:53. > :14:55.at nearly a third at the moment. According to the polls, but we don't
:14:56. > :15:01.know these days. Of course, they are trying to get people are emotional
:15:02. > :15:05.and push them out there. It happened for the Scottish referendum? Yes, it
:15:06. > :15:11.was a motive towards the end, economic arguments have been laid
:15:12. > :15:14.there. Mark Carney came under fire as governor of the Bank of England
:15:15. > :15:19.and getting involved. It is a miscalculation from Boris Johnson
:15:20. > :15:22.saying that the EU is like Hitler and Napoleon, the idea is that the
:15:23. > :15:30.Remain Campaign is all about the EU, it is crucial for peace. His
:15:31. > :15:34.colleagues arguments, and his argument, is that it is hot off the
:15:35. > :15:38.back of the Remain Campaign, putting it into historical context as well.
:15:39. > :15:41.That is why the referendum is bonkers, frankly, there's another 40
:15:42. > :15:48.days of this, there will be another thing tomorrow, you will be ?30,000
:15:49. > :15:54.a year worse off, or ?30,000 better off if we stay... The whole thing is
:15:55. > :15:58.hyped up, there are so many bigger issues facing Britain and what
:15:59. > :16:05.should be on the front pages. And we are having a debate about Hitler and
:16:06. > :16:08.the superstate? Thank you very much for taking us
:16:09. > :16:21.through the newspapers. And thank you for tuning in, join us
:16:22. > :16:22.at 11:30pm for our second round. Now, it