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:00:15. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

:00:18. > :00:20.With me are Paul Johnson, the deputy editor of the Guardian,

:00:21. > :00:22.and Tim Collins, a former Conservative MP and

:00:23. > :00:31.managing director of Bell Pottinger Public Affairs.

:00:32. > :00:32.Let's look at some of the front pages.

:00:33. > :00:35.The FT leads on what it calls a European crackdown on tax paid

:00:36. > :00:44.It says Google's Paris office was raided by the French authorities.

:00:45. > :00:46.The Telegraph says Britain is spending almost twice

:00:47. > :00:48.as much of its national wealth on foreign aid,

:00:49. > :00:51.It also has a picture of the Duchess of Cambridge,

:00:52. > :00:53.who's thanked midwives for delivering her children Prince

:00:54. > :01:10.- saying attempts to woo young voters backfired for both sides

:01:11. > :01:14.The Times leads on an investigation that up to 150,000 pre-school

:01:15. > :01:16.children have been reported to social services, over fears

:01:17. > :01:20.The paper says a series of abuse cases has led to a "climate of fear"

:01:21. > :01:23.for those who refer their concerns to the authorities.

:01:24. > :01:25.And the Guardian has a special report on Britain's tallest

:01:26. > :01:29.residential skyscraper, The Tower, in London.

:01:30. > :01:31.It says almost two-thirds of it's apartments are foreign owned,

:01:32. > :01:40.We will get onto that story in a few minutes. But first, Tim, foreign top

:01:41. > :01:43.spending. Is that because Britain are spending too much or other

:01:44. > :01:48.countries are not spending enough? There is a lot to be proud of in

:01:49. > :01:52.terms of what they do further children educated and the diseases

:01:53. > :01:55.tackled and refugees helped but I think quite a lot of people in the

:01:56. > :01:58.Conservative Party and this is picked up in the Daily Telegraph

:01:59. > :02:03.story are asking the question, given the sheer scale of our deficit, that

:02:04. > :02:08.made were borrowing and that meant we will expect our children and

:02:09. > :02:11.grandchildren to pay, is every penny of the overseas aid budget

:02:12. > :02:15.justified? As a proportion of our national wealth it is pretty much

:02:16. > :02:20.twice as much as Germany and France, three times as much as Japan, the

:02:21. > :02:24.USA and Italy. That might be fine when we were right at the crust of

:02:25. > :02:27.the boom, lots of money to spend on public services at home. Is it

:02:28. > :02:30.sensible for us to be giving money to India who today launched the

:02:31. > :02:35.space programme? It is a Conservative Government who thinks

:02:36. > :02:38.it is a good idea. And one that has the law making it a legal

:02:39. > :02:42.requirement, but I think you may have noticed, Clive, Tories are

:02:43. > :02:47.disagreeing with each other at the moment. On a whole host of things!

:02:48. > :02:54.Paul, what is your reading of the story? We know it is 0.7% of GDP and

:02:55. > :02:57.Tim is right in a sense, in that if you see the people, should we be

:02:58. > :03:02.giving money abroad like this, a lot of people would question it. If you

:03:03. > :03:08.see, however, this money enabled 9 million children to get into school,

:03:09. > :03:13.saved 250,000 lives of unborn babies, helped combat Ebola, gave

:03:14. > :03:17.drastically needed medical supplies for Gaza etc, then they start to

:03:18. > :03:23.say, yes, it is quite a good idea, quite a popular thing. There is

:03:24. > :03:27.another reason slightly hidden and one comparative is daft in this

:03:28. > :03:33.case. We get almost ?1 billion to Syrian refugees. We do not take them

:03:34. > :03:39.in the numbers that the Germans, for instance, do, so we spend that money

:03:40. > :03:46.in Jordan on humanitarian aid rather than taking large numbers of

:03:47. > :03:50.refugees. It comes out of this part. It depends how you ask the question

:03:51. > :03:54.then, really, doesn't it? Are we sending too much money on foreign

:03:55. > :03:59.aid? Actually the response depends on the phrase ology of the question.

:04:00. > :04:03.And I think it also depends... I think you will find great public

:04:04. > :04:06.support for spending money on that sort of things Paul is talking about

:04:07. > :04:09.in some of the poorest countries in the world. Whether we need to be

:04:10. > :04:14.giving that money to growing countries their own space

:04:15. > :04:18.programmes, less easy to justify. Their argument is, yes, you will

:04:19. > :04:22.have some film stars in Mumbai or whatever are doing well but actually

:04:23. > :04:25.still have hundreds of millions of people -- millions of people,

:04:26. > :04:29.certainly in China, who are still living below the poverty line. Yes,

:04:30. > :04:34.but if we are cutting back our public services at home to cut our

:04:35. > :04:36.overseas aid, it is perhaps reasonable for us to see perhaps

:04:37. > :04:40.they could delay their space programme to educate their own

:04:41. > :04:45.children. Are to the Financial Times. The raid on company mac's

:04:46. > :04:53.Paris office, Paul? The French raising this text -- raising the

:04:54. > :05:05.stakes when it comes to these taxes -- on Google's Paris office. Yes,

:05:06. > :05:12.contrast with Britain, where Google paid a minuscule tax bill. You could

:05:13. > :05:17.probably pay that minuscule tax bill, Clive, but what you would have

:05:18. > :05:24.to do is pass your paycheque... I work for the BBC, all right! Pass

:05:25. > :05:27.your paycheque to Dublin, then to the Netherlands, back to Dublin

:05:28. > :05:31.again and it will end up in Bermuda. If you can get an arrangement like

:05:32. > :05:35.that which is a bit tricky, you tax take goes right down. Exactly. The

:05:36. > :05:45.French have decided they will play hardball and it was part of

:05:46. > :05:49.Hollande's commitment in the election, that he would get tough on

:05:50. > :05:52.companies not paying their taxes. As you said, Tim, the contrast with

:05:53. > :05:57.Britain is very clear. I think most people rather admire the French with

:05:58. > :06:00.this. And the figures... They do raise a bit of a mystery, Clive,

:06:01. > :06:07.because apparently the French will go after Google for $1.6 billion, or

:06:08. > :06:13.Euros, in back taxes. That slightly raises the question. How can Google,

:06:14. > :06:16.and indeed Apple, how can they possibly sell anything in Europe

:06:17. > :06:20.when the United States is not in the European Union? Apparently we are

:06:21. > :06:31.told you cannot sell anything to the EU unless a member... I was hoping I

:06:32. > :06:34.would not have to talk about that! Twisting it into Brexit. But it is

:06:35. > :06:39.an important question. Maybe you can trade with Europe without being in

:06:40. > :06:43.the EU. But there is a serious point here about the contrast in the way

:06:44. > :06:49.the authorities here have treated the tech companies and the

:06:50. > :06:52.authorities in France. And the authorities in Ireland, that is the

:06:53. > :06:57.interesting thing. What company mac and Apple are trying to do is say

:06:58. > :06:59.that our European HQ 's are in Ireland and all other European

:07:00. > :07:02.revenues somehow get shuffled through Ireland and they have much

:07:03. > :07:11.lower rates of tax than any rust -- Sierra Leone and Apple. -- Google

:07:12. > :07:15.and Apple. Samak lets not cast a stone across the Irish Sea. George

:07:16. > :07:22.Osborne described this as a major success. Google are going to pay all

:07:23. > :07:29.that money in taxes. Most people did not think it was major success. But,

:07:30. > :07:32.Paul, I thought we believed everything the Chancellor said at

:07:33. > :07:38.the moment in the Guardian? George gets his numbers wrong? Really?

:07:39. > :07:41.Gentlemen, please. I left my gavel in the other room but I will bring

:07:42. > :07:48.the next time. OK, let's go to the Guardian, Paul. This really I

:07:49. > :07:51.suppose goes to the heart of -- heart of Britain's housing crisis at

:07:52. > :07:55.least in certain parts of the South East, of course London. Foreign

:07:56. > :08:05.investors using the London housing market as basically a safe haven for

:08:06. > :08:10.their investments? We looked at London's tallest tower block, call

:08:11. > :08:16.the tower,, down in the Battersea area, and it is the lack has 2014

:08:17. > :08:21.flats in it and nobody is registered to vote there. Two thirds of them

:08:22. > :08:26.are foreign-owned, at least one quarter are secretly owned offshore

:08:27. > :08:31.in tax havens. This is quite a remarkable... It is an eerily empty

:08:32. > :08:36.place day in, day out. People say they go down to the swimming pool or

:08:37. > :08:39.gym and nobody is there. In the concierge offers at the basement,

:08:40. > :08:45.there are three clocks on the wall and they shall the times in Moscow,

:08:46. > :08:49.Abu Dhabi and Hong Kong. It is sucking the life out of the area

:08:50. > :08:52.around it. And is this indicative of what is going on in other

:08:53. > :09:00.developments across London, across the UK? Or is it only London? Sinai

:09:01. > :09:03.we think so. There is massive in red investment, people buying flats --

:09:04. > :09:08.yes, we think so. It is exacerbating the housing crisis in the sense that

:09:09. > :09:12.London, in actual fact, went back last year. 9% fewer houses built

:09:13. > :09:17.than in the year before. This is causing an enormous squeeze and is

:09:18. > :09:21.also having social consequences as well. Mean well, Tim, if you're are

:09:22. > :09:25.firemen, policemen, teacher, you cannot afford to live in central

:09:26. > :09:28.London? I think there is a real challenge and local authorities both

:09:29. > :09:32.Tory and Labour are coming up with -- trying to come up with ways of

:09:33. > :09:35.tackling it but of course what you do not want to do is kill the golden

:09:36. > :09:40.goose. Developers are required, with put a building like this up, they

:09:41. > :09:43.have to put up tens even hundreds of millions of pounds sides of the

:09:44. > :09:48.local authorities can build affordable housing. The new mayor of

:09:49. > :09:52.London, Siddique Khan, has a target for homes to be built in the capital

:09:53. > :09:57.and he wants all of those to be paid for by developers. Developers will

:09:58. > :10:00.have to build skyscrapers to do that, but I think there are real

:10:01. > :10:03.questions about whether it can be appropriate for all of them -- Sadiq

:10:04. > :10:08.Khan. I agree with Paul, this is a good piece. For all the residents to

:10:09. > :10:12.be people who do not seem to spend much at any time in the UK. I think

:10:13. > :10:15.that is a challenge even for people like me in favour of inward

:10:16. > :10:20.investment. The emphasis does need to be... Ameen, it will be

:10:21. > :10:23.interesting to see what Sadiq Khan does, but let's build homes for

:10:24. > :10:31.people who live and work in London rather than for ghosts -- I mean, it

:10:32. > :10:42.will be interesting. The subject of the day now.

:10:43. > :10:47.The sujet du jour. LAUGHTER

:10:48. > :10:52.. Blitz-mac migrants picked up in Europe. The crisis is dwindling. --

:10:53. > :10:57.this is the kind of thing via Brexit ears are going to have to focus on

:10:58. > :11:04.if they are going to convince the British people that out is the way

:11:05. > :11:09.forward, because immigration, migration, it resonate with people

:11:10. > :11:14.-- set-mac. Yes, for the Remained tied it is the economy and for the

:11:15. > :11:23.leave side it is the immigration -- for the Remain side it is the

:11:24. > :11:26.economy and for the Leave side it is immigration. Further down the court

:11:27. > :11:30.Iain Duncan Smith at this point to the bigger problem. A couple of

:11:31. > :11:35.months ago he was serving very happily, it seemed at the time in

:11:36. > :11:41.David Cameron's Cabinet -- they quote. He is quoted as saying, the

:11:42. > :11:45.refusal to engage in a fair contest is the definition of cowardice. That

:11:46. > :11:52.is quite strong language. The issues being raised in this referendum I

:11:53. > :11:56.think will not be resolved on May the -- to the 23rd and patching the

:11:57. > :12:05.Tory party together will not be easy. At all? Yes, Tim is very

:12:06. > :12:11.shaken by that Telegraph Pauls poll which assures it is almost game

:12:12. > :12:22.over... I am delighted by the Times poll tonight which shows a swing to

:12:23. > :12:26.the back. There are a number of Q, and, sure, but the leadership

:12:27. > :12:31.of the Tory party are assembled in a firing squad, in a way, and as much

:12:32. > :12:35.as I would like to see David Cameron debating Boris Johnson, Boris

:12:36. > :12:38.Johnson, the man who accused the prim minister of "Demented

:12:39. > :12:43.scaremongering", that would be quite lively but I do not think they will

:12:44. > :12:46.do it. Blue on blue, we would call it, good for the entertainment, but

:12:47. > :12:58.I think it shows the desperation of the situation they are in, to be

:12:59. > :13:04.honest. The Metro. Who EU Kiddin? It has backfired somewhat? Yes,

:13:05. > :13:07.firstly, the Remain camp came out with a totally patronising video

:13:08. > :13:13.today which is on you tube and other places, speaking about raving,

:13:14. > :13:17.working, earning, and I think the best response was from someone, I

:13:18. > :13:23.suspect a young person, who tweeted back and said, shockingly, young

:13:24. > :13:25.people do sometimes used the letter g.

:13:26. > :13:36.LAUGHTER I see that the pro-Brexiteers have

:13:37. > :13:39.this group set up and when they found out what it was for and

:13:40. > :13:43.because they hotfooted it pretty quickly. I think we will be left

:13:44. > :13:50.with Michael Gove and Boris Johnson onstage saying that -- singing that

:13:51. > :13:55.old Animals hit, you know, we've got to get out of this place. Thank you

:13:56. > :14:00.for joining us for a look at some of tomorrow morning's front pages. Much

:14:01. > :14:05.more coming up. Thank you for watching The Papers. Good

:14:06. > :14:16.Night. Good evening. A nice day for most of us. A bit of a breeze

:14:17. > :14:20.perhaps but I hope you made the most of it. Some sunshine and a cool

:14:21. > :14:21.breeze of the North Sea. Across the other side