02/06/2016

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:00:17. > :00:26.Welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will bring us tomorrow.

:00:27. > :00:31.Our guests this evening are Henry Bonsu and Kieran Dixon former Trade

:00:32. > :00:37.Minister Lord Digby Jones. Nice to see you both. Front pages, starting

:00:38. > :00:41.with the Metro, dedicating its front page to be HS going into liquidation

:00:42. > :00:47.with the expected loss of 11,000 jobs. The FT goes with the same

:00:48. > :00:51.lead. The Daily Express goes with a health story, reporting that doctors

:00:52. > :00:56.now believe are obese people with type two diabetes can quadruple

:00:57. > :01:00.their chances of survival with weight loss surgery. The Guardian

:01:01. > :01:09.focuses on David Cameron asking the UK not to commit self harm by

:01:10. > :01:13.leaving be you. The Daily Mail says the UK is failing to expel foreign

:01:14. > :01:18.criminals and this has undermined the case for Britain to remain in

:01:19. > :01:21.the EU. The Daily Mirror claims boxing legend Muhammad Ali has been

:01:22. > :01:27.rushed to hospital after suffering from breathing problems. Let's start

:01:28. > :01:30.with a famous name on the high Street, 88 years in business and now

:01:31. > :01:35.British home stores has gone into liquidation. Here it is on the

:01:36. > :01:40.Metro. The shutters finally come down on BHS. We have heard a lot of

:01:41. > :01:47.people, Digby, saying they are sorry to see it closing, but we are

:01:48. > :01:59.shocked. The significance of the liquidation is overplayed in the

:02:00. > :02:02.press. These people's jobs are no more or less insecure than

:02:03. > :02:08.yesterday. The differences, it is an admission that no one wants to buy

:02:09. > :02:11.it, so no longer will it be a going concern, no longer can somebody say

:02:12. > :02:14.they will pay money and buy a business that opens every day, so

:02:15. > :02:20.there is an admission that no one wants it. The problem you have is

:02:21. > :02:25.how much of this is a commentary on the world going past BHS. Dear one

:02:26. > :02:30.Woolworths went? What it was about was that the product, the offering,

:02:31. > :02:36.people didn't want any more, and if that is the case, the best thing we

:02:37. > :02:39.can do with 11,000 people is put the effort into Skillings and finding

:02:40. > :02:43.the mother worked rather than saying, this is dreadful and we

:02:44. > :02:48.ought to keep BHS open, because it is probably the offering to the

:02:49. > :02:52.public is what they want to buy. Even if that is the case there have

:02:53. > :02:58.been criticisms of previous owners and how they have treated them, lack

:02:59. > :03:01.of investment, taking money out. Especially when you consider the

:03:02. > :03:06.person who became a billionaire when he bought be HS 16 years ago, Sir

:03:07. > :03:11.Philip Green, he was a darling of a number of newspapers, seen of the

:03:12. > :03:16.great British buccaneer of the high Street. Some people including Labour

:03:17. > :03:20.MP Frank Fielding want to drag him before select committees, I think is

:03:21. > :03:24.going before one in parliament and a couple of weeks, and I sat -- some

:03:25. > :03:31.people are floating the idea of removing him. We will be in violent

:03:32. > :03:35.agreement about this, but you are mixing up two things. One thing is,

:03:36. > :03:41.11,000 people out there who tomorrow morning are working for a company

:03:42. > :03:45.nobody wants to buy its products, therefore the whole issue should be,

:03:46. > :03:50.how do we find work for 11,000 people. That is different from how

:03:51. > :03:56.did we get here. We are looking at the coverage area, it is the paper

:03:57. > :04:01.reviews. Let's look at the FT. Last-ditch efforts fail to save BHS,

:04:02. > :04:06.fruitless scrabble to find a buyer. On the point of how people behave

:04:07. > :04:13.when they buy companies, surely it should be against the law to take so

:04:14. > :04:18.much money out that the future of that company is imperilled. Except

:04:19. > :04:23.of course. If you have this amount of profit you have made and it is in

:04:24. > :04:26.the company called reserves, you are entitled as a shareholder to eat

:04:27. > :04:33.into the reserves as long as you can pay the debts. You Anae can argue

:04:34. > :04:38.about whether that is morally right or what it does to the stability of

:04:39. > :04:42.the business, but the concept of it being illegal, no matter how morally

:04:43. > :04:48.we might have a view, you have to be very careful. Indeed we must but we

:04:49. > :04:55.talk about being ethical, we hold summits in this country on

:04:56. > :04:59.corruption, we preach on it... What I am saying is, the brand of Britain

:05:00. > :05:05.and business and ethics is famous throughout the world so we need to

:05:06. > :05:09.hold ourselves to a high standard. Business people in this country need

:05:10. > :05:14.to. But if you own the company you only assets in it. Including the

:05:15. > :05:19.people, it would appear. There are two distinct things here. Yesterday,

:05:20. > :05:24.the people running it say, no one wants to buy this business, 11,000

:05:25. > :05:28.good people will lose their jobs. Let's have a maximum effort to try

:05:29. > :05:35.to find the mother work. That is a different argument to, how did we

:05:36. > :05:39.get here. In the first bit, that is what the paper review is about. The

:05:40. > :05:44.second bit, how did we get here, I am in agreement with you, we have to

:05:45. > :05:50.be careful about using certain words. I am pulling back... The

:05:51. > :05:54.people who buy large did nothing illegal, although morally there is a

:05:55. > :05:59.big issue. The question is, what should the select committee be able

:06:00. > :06:04.to do. They will ask questions Philip Green and Dominic Shepherd. I

:06:05. > :06:08.have appeared before a select committee, the people asking

:06:09. > :06:14.questions don't knows much as you do so they grandstand and try to ask

:06:15. > :06:18.questions that say, look at me, whereas the people being questioned

:06:19. > :06:26.now the subject. The real sport would be, will Philip Green keep his

:06:27. > :06:31.temper. Will presses buttons? We have to move on, I'm so sorry! Let's

:06:32. > :06:35.look at the Guardian, Cameron, let us not roll the dice on Britain,

:06:36. > :06:39.voting to leave the EU would be economic self harm, the Prime

:06:40. > :06:45.Minister insists. Angela Merkel also, saying, if you want to change

:06:46. > :06:50.the rules on how the EU operates, staying. She is making it very clear

:06:51. > :06:56.that although Brexit supporters say the Germans want to sell BMW to us,

:06:57. > :07:00.the French sell champagne to us, there is no way they will wreck good

:07:01. > :07:05.established relationships over decades. Angela Merkel is saying

:07:06. > :07:08.clearly, you might find it very chilly outside the European Union,

:07:09. > :07:16.so don't be foolish. Cameron is echoing that in the first of the set

:07:17. > :07:21.piece discussions on sky earlier this evening, and Faisal Islam was

:07:22. > :07:27.the presenter, really pushing him hard on the issue of migration, and

:07:28. > :07:32.also project fear, and apparently Cameron came unstuck on the issue of

:07:33. > :07:39.keeping immigration down to the tens of thousands. I am quite pleased

:07:40. > :07:43.that the Prime Minister, for once, hasn't often does death of the

:07:44. > :07:50.first-born, plague of frogs and blood in the street if we leave the

:07:51. > :07:55.EU. He is finally being asked to address certain issues. I did say,

:07:56. > :07:58.the Prime Minister behaving in a statesman-like fashion, which I

:07:59. > :08:02.think has been lacking. The other side have been doing much the same

:08:03. > :08:08.sort of stuff. What I find interesting is, I am worried about

:08:09. > :08:17.this nation hitching its wagon to a train that is marching towards 1917.

:08:18. > :08:20.In Asia's century, I don't see much reform in Europe. Some people like

:08:21. > :08:25.me are saying, I don't want to leave it but I wanted to reform. For my

:08:26. > :08:30.grandchildren's sake I am beginning to think it should be right to come

:08:31. > :08:33.out. What Cameron is saying, for your grandchildren's circuit would

:08:34. > :08:37.be right to stay in. I think the long-term issue is the one not being

:08:38. > :08:41.talked about. I think economic turbulence will happen and I believe

:08:42. > :08:45.Europe is not competitive, but it is what will happen 30 years down the

:08:46. > :08:51.line. The trouble is, that you can't deal with that. I can't forecast in

:08:52. > :09:01.the morning, nor can the Treasury. I am so sorry, there is too much to

:09:02. > :09:07.talk about! I am trying to be rational about those. The Daily

:09:08. > :09:13.Mail, we fail to deports... Human rights being blamed here, Digby,

:09:14. > :09:18.there is a mechanism for deporting criminals. The issue, in the text

:09:19. > :09:22.they do with the issue quite well, the problem is always with this sort

:09:23. > :09:31.of newspaper, the headline has little to do with the merits of the

:09:32. > :09:33.case. They are saying, you have at the moment the right for people to

:09:34. > :09:36.come into Europe without defence. Some will be criminals. If they

:09:37. > :09:40.commit a certain crime there is in place in agreement, you can deport

:09:41. > :09:43.them, and we have 5000 people walking around in the communities

:09:44. > :09:49.who have already committed offences, waiting to go home. You can blame

:09:50. > :09:53.Brussels for a lot but you cannot blame Brussels for this. This is

:09:54. > :09:58.about the UK Government, and I guess it is all parties, and they are

:09:59. > :10:05.saying, we can deport you but we haven't got round to it yet. That is

:10:06. > :10:12.not Europe's fault. Exactly. We are not going to agree again?! These

:10:13. > :10:17.people are sewn dangerous, surely you don't release them from prison

:10:18. > :10:21.until you are ready to deport them. You release these people unlicensed

:10:22. > :10:25.because you think they are no longer dangerous, you call them back if you

:10:26. > :10:29.think they have breached the terms of their licence. If you think they

:10:30. > :10:35.shouldn't be in Britain you should hold them until deportation. They

:10:36. > :10:45.are dealing with 5789 living in the community. I was going to throw

:10:46. > :10:49.water on you! The Times, page two, hospital delays leave thousands

:10:50. > :10:51.waiting outside in ambulances. I am one of these people who say

:10:52. > :10:57.obviously the NHS needs more money but can we have the money better

:10:58. > :11:02.spent, more efficiently. I don't mean privatisation, I just mean,

:11:03. > :11:07.everybody knows this, it is just no one will say it, a lot of the money

:11:08. > :11:10.in the NHS is wasted. The system so often doesn't deliver, not that

:11:11. > :11:16.there is not enough money because often it needs more money, not that

:11:17. > :11:22.wit hasn't got good people, it has, the system isn't right. In this

:11:23. > :11:26.article you have three different people from vested interests saying

:11:27. > :11:30.the same thing, the reason this is happening is beds are full, beds are

:11:31. > :11:33.full because too often we have linked up there with social care so

:11:34. > :11:38.there is not enough in the community to get them out there, secondly we

:11:39. > :11:42.have a bad system in the way we get them in, people wait, and thirdly

:11:43. > :11:44.there isn't enough money. Those things together, I thought this

:11:45. > :11:51.article was fair because you have people from vastly different areas

:11:52. > :11:56.talking about this. Let's quote Norman Lamb the former Lib Dem came

:11:57. > :12:00.minister, a very serious sky in this area, and says we are projected to

:12:01. > :12:05.spend a reducing percentage of our national income on health, so even

:12:06. > :12:09.though people like Digby complain about too much waste, we have to

:12:10. > :12:13.spend money to get the system right, and every government that comes in

:12:14. > :12:16.reconfigure the system. It takes four or five years to bedding and we

:12:17. > :12:21.change it every time we have a new government, that is part of the

:12:22. > :12:26.problem. It is persistent, not the money. It is both, I know a bit

:12:27. > :12:38.about this, it is both. I am questioning what I have just heard?

:12:39. > :12:40.How much longer have I got? Three minutes. Crikey, we could have

:12:41. > :12:48.carried on talking about something else. Not to worry. There is a link

:12:49. > :12:54.between this and Brexit. Your people claim... Hold your breath! The

:12:55. > :12:59.Brexit supporters say if we leave the European Union, that ?350

:13:00. > :13:03.million a week that we currently sent to the EU, a significant

:13:04. > :13:08.proportion can be spent on improving the NHS. That is what their election

:13:09. > :13:16.broadcast was about two nights ago. If you engaged brain before... Oh!

:13:17. > :13:24.OK! On the Brexit bus they have this thing on the NHS and I think they

:13:25. > :13:30.are wrong to do it. Hello! Just because a view conflicts with yours,

:13:31. > :13:36.why are you derogatory about it? Stop! Time out! We're going to move

:13:37. > :13:41.on. I am going to move the song, Digby. Digby thinks he is

:13:42. > :13:45.presenting! He's not the only one who comes on here and behaves in

:13:46. > :13:50.this fashion, but he is always so smartly dressed. The Financial

:13:51. > :14:00.Times, the gender pay gap starts young as boys force a better deal on

:14:01. > :14:03.pocket money, Henry. Who knew indeed, this 12% difference in the

:14:04. > :14:08.current round, so boys receive an average of ?6.93 per week, versus

:14:09. > :14:14.girls getting ?6 16 per week. As with use, so with adults, because we

:14:15. > :14:18.know there is a pay gap between women and men, and apparently boys

:14:19. > :14:22.are more abstract Brezovan girls... I find that difficult to believe.

:14:23. > :14:28.Can you imagine Digby asking his parents for more money? Does the

:14:29. > :14:33.article suggests we should get girls to practice asking for more money

:14:34. > :14:35.when they are little? It is a good point in that respect,

:14:36. > :14:40.assertiveness, self-respect and self esteem are some of the biggest

:14:41. > :14:43.barriers to improvement in the job market, and using education

:14:44. > :14:48.properly, because people don't feel they can because they don't have

:14:49. > :14:53.that... Or assertiveness. Assertiveness in women is

:14:54. > :14:57.interpreted differently from that of men. What is important is if in the

:14:58. > :15:02.domestic, trusted environment of pocket money, if you could get a

:15:03. > :15:05.young woman to start thinking intensive, I am worth it, then

:15:06. > :15:11.possibly in the job market in years to come that filters through to a

:15:12. > :15:15.better and more balanced society. Or it might be that parents and

:15:16. > :15:18.employers are sensitive enough to be issued having been on training to

:15:19. > :15:26.spot this, and if they see a young woman not raising her hands... I

:15:27. > :15:32.think I need to go home and reassess what pocket money everybody gets! I

:15:33. > :15:38.lacked for your daughters. She will be very pleased! That's it for you

:15:39. > :15:42.didn't -- for tonight. You can see a detailed review of the papers seven

:15:43. > :15:49.days a week on our website. You can see us thereto with each night's

:15:50. > :15:53.edition posted on the page shortly after each addition. Thank you,

:15:54. > :15:56.Henry and Digby, it's always good fun. Coming up next, it's the

:15:57. > :16:11.weather. Once again on the weather front

:16:12. > :16:16.today it was a case of all of nothing. You either had clear blue

:16:17. > :16:17.skies and sunshine across many western areas