:00:00. > :00:00.BBC Simon McCoy if you like. I'm giving up! -- you can tweak. I might
:00:00. > :00:07.need a poncho later, because it is starting to bucket it down here.
:00:08. > :00:15.Right now on BBC News, time for the papers.
:00:16. > :00:18.Hello, and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:19. > :00:23.With me are Josie Cox, reporter for the Wall Street Journal,
:00:24. > :00:32.and David Wooding, Political Editor for The Sun on Sunday.
:00:33. > :00:36.Very warm welcome to you both. Let's take you through the front pages as
:00:37. > :00:39.we have them in so far. The Sun on Sunday leads
:00:40. > :00:41.on the violence that broke out amongst fans
:00:42. > :00:45.after England's first game. The Telegraph's front
:00:46. > :00:47.page has the same story, alongside a picture of the Queen's
:00:48. > :00:52.90th birthday celebrations. The Mail On Sunday also leads
:00:53. > :00:58.with the referendum. It has the Archbishop
:00:59. > :01:02.of Canterbury's announcement that The Observer carries a warning
:01:03. > :01:09.from David Cameron that a vote to leave the EU could mean an end
:01:10. > :01:12.to increases in the state pension and ring-fenced spending
:01:13. > :01:28.levels for the NHS. Well, those are the front pages.
:01:29. > :01:36.Let's begin. The Sun on Sunday, they kick-off with a front page that has
:01:37. > :01:42.a picture of a bloodied English fan in Marseille, but also Wayne Rooney
:01:43. > :01:47.obviously because of the Russian equalising goal to make it 1-1. But
:01:48. > :01:54.much more seriously, the violence that erupted in Marseille. The Word
:01:55. > :02:01.second, for the result and the off field antics. -- the word second. It
:02:02. > :02:05.hones in on the fact that it was after the second goal that the
:02:06. > :02:09.Russians appeared to be invading the English fans, that is where it all
:02:10. > :02:12.kicked off after the game. Yet again, a big tournament has been
:02:13. > :02:16.marred by violence, it is a great shame that the English fans are in
:02:17. > :02:25.the middle of it. It looks from what we are hearing from people on the
:02:26. > :02:28.ground that Russian ultras were involved, attacking people with iron
:02:29. > :02:33.bars, there are some horrific reports. It is a shame that England
:02:34. > :02:39.are in doubt when we are getting a reputation back on track. The worst
:02:40. > :02:43.violence involving English fans for the past 20 years. It is an English
:02:44. > :02:47.problem that many people thought had gone away. It is really sad,
:02:48. > :02:52.actually, because an event like this has a huge hype around it. It really
:02:53. > :02:54.is ultimately meant to be a kind of celebration of athleticism, I
:02:55. > :02:59.suppose, and bringing different countries together and having an
:03:00. > :03:03.exciting tournament. That is so far from what we are seeing from all
:03:04. > :03:06.these images. We were saying before we came on air, this is really going
:03:07. > :03:10.to open up questions about the future of tournaments like this and
:03:11. > :03:13.how they are going to be held, and also the bidding process is around
:03:14. > :03:17.tournaments like this, because it has always been seen as a huge
:03:18. > :03:21.honour, economic and culturally and socially, to host a tournament like
:03:22. > :03:26.this. But if they are always going to be marred by incidents like this
:03:27. > :03:29.and violent and all of this sort of bloodshed, I suppose, then host
:03:30. > :03:34.cities are going to have to think twice about whether they want to
:03:35. > :03:37.have that risk. It is interesting that all of the build-up talk was of
:03:38. > :03:41.concern about security in the wake of the Paris terror attacks, that
:03:42. > :03:45.was seen as the real threat, Terra. But obviously it is the old problem
:03:46. > :03:50.of hooliganism that has been causing so many problems in Marseille. The
:03:51. > :03:54.focus has shifted from terror within hours to the fans. The interesting
:03:55. > :04:03.point is of course that Russia will be staging the World Cup in only two
:04:04. > :04:05.years' time. There is an important decision for not only Uefa and how
:04:06. > :04:10.to deal with the Russian Football Association, but also Fifa, do we
:04:11. > :04:14.want Russia to stage the World Cup? The already question marks about why
:04:15. > :04:17.they are staging it. The last time there was major trouble at a
:04:18. > :04:21.tournament was in Warsaw in 2012 when the Russian fans will yet again
:04:22. > :04:26.involved with the Czech Republic fans in some violence. That would be
:04:27. > :04:30.a real problem, the Russian hooligans, who obviously pretty
:04:31. > :04:35.hard-core. The last thing that Fifa needs at the moment is bad press.
:04:36. > :04:40.One of the issues also is that last night in the game we saw flares and
:04:41. > :04:43.firecrackers being let off. How did these fans get them into the
:04:44. > :04:48.stadium, that is what you want to know. For me, the question arises
:04:49. > :04:52.around how much resources are available. Clearly they are very,
:04:53. > :04:55.very stretched. You know, there are huge amounts of people, while the
:04:56. > :04:59.violence might have started with a couple of people getting into a
:05:00. > :05:06.fight, it seems that everybody is very an edge and everybody is very
:05:07. > :05:08.twitchy, and I would imagine in a situation like this, violent very
:05:09. > :05:13.much breeds violence. The reports of Russian fans having gumshield and
:05:14. > :05:18.knuckle-dusters in the stadium, how did they get them in? I regularly go
:05:19. > :05:23.to football matches, I get searched and my bag searched and frisked as a
:05:24. > :05:27.matter of course, why is it not being done the? Let's move the
:05:28. > :05:31.Sunday Mirror, they have got the same story but a combined front page
:05:32. > :05:36.that has happy and glorious, happy obviously about the Queen's birthday
:05:37. > :05:40.celebrations at watching the flight path there, all smiles. And then
:05:41. > :05:47.those really gruesome scenes from Marseille, happy and glorious. Is
:05:48. > :05:50.that an effective front page, Josie? There is a marked difference between
:05:51. > :05:54.what we are soon going on, and today with all the celebrations going on,
:05:55. > :05:58.and that in contrast with what we saw yesterday and hopefully won't
:05:59. > :06:08.see again but most likely could over the coming days. So it is just too
:06:09. > :06:14.much situations. And also promotion we -- two different situations.
:06:15. > :06:21.There are people who enjoy reading about the Royal Family and football,
:06:22. > :06:29.sellers in the tabloid world. There is one in one or two papers, you can
:06:30. > :06:32.see it in the Mirror's paper there, Prince George appearing to salute,
:06:33. > :06:35.but he might be shielding his eyes from the sun as he looks at the
:06:36. > :06:43.aeroplanes. And it is baby Charlotte, the Queen's
:06:44. > :06:48.great-granddaughter's first balcony public appearance. She appears to be
:06:49. > :06:53.making a little wave there. It is a lovely picture there. The fans, the
:06:54. > :06:57.hooligans that we can see from in, I don't know whether they are English
:06:58. > :07:01.fans or Russian fans, it is hard to tell. -- we can see throwing. We
:07:02. > :07:05.talk about hooligans being a problem. In terms of the English
:07:06. > :07:09.hooligans, that problem has been controlled partly by the police
:07:10. > :07:13.confiscating passports of known hooligans before tournaments. But
:07:14. > :07:18.this time it seems that a number of troublemakers did get over there.
:07:19. > :07:22.Yes, it is that lethal mix of drink and a few troublemakers in the
:07:23. > :07:26.crowd. And also a country that is easy to get to, France, so easy to
:07:27. > :07:30.get to compare to somewhere like Brazil. You have to have sympathy
:07:31. > :07:34.with the vast majority of the fans, if you are sitting there enjoying
:07:35. > :07:37.yourself, having a drink before the game, and a chair comes flying
:07:38. > :07:42.across or a bottle from another group of people intent on causing
:07:43. > :07:48.trouble, what do you do? Sometimes you run, but with a few drinks
:07:49. > :07:53.inside of you, sometimes you react the other way. Jamie Vardy's wife
:07:54. > :07:57.Rebecca turned up, she was having a quiet meal, and got caught up in it,
:07:58. > :08:05.I'm sure that she is not a hooligan. I think some of the hooligans were
:08:06. > :08:10.touting that they want to leave the European Union in Marseille, that
:08:11. > :08:15.read us on to the referendum, not too far away now. We have got the
:08:16. > :08:18.Sunday Telegraph, they have got yet another warning from the Prime
:08:19. > :08:23.Minister about Brexit, this time focusing on the threat to pensions
:08:24. > :08:28.if we leave. It seems that there is another day, another scare story.
:08:29. > :08:32.This time it is pensions. Also the NHS and also defence, other things
:08:33. > :08:36.that Cameron is warning could be impacted and cutback in case of
:08:37. > :08:40.Brexit. For me, this looks like he is targeting a specific audience,
:08:41. > :08:45.the older voters who care a lot about pensions. In the Telegraph it
:08:46. > :08:51.says, TV licences, bus passes, that sort of thing... Even your bus pass!
:08:52. > :08:56.It was in motor. And the other things, defence and the NHS, that is
:08:57. > :09:00.for a topical -- it was emotive. Defence in the light of the
:09:01. > :09:05.terrorist threats, we have seen over the last couple of months but it
:09:06. > :09:08.will be topical. In the light of the junior doctors' strikes, all the
:09:09. > :09:14.attention that has had over the last couple of months. These are all very
:09:15. > :09:18.specific and intentionally chosen I think. Pensions as well, over the
:09:19. > :09:23.last couple of weeks, the story that has been plastered across the front
:09:24. > :09:29.pages has been the NHS pensions. I think that could very much tap into
:09:30. > :09:33.the psyche of the public. Very intentional, I think. Dave, it is
:09:34. > :09:39.like Downing Street is going through a check list of things that could be
:09:40. > :09:43.affected by a Brexit? I have said that no option is risk-free, if you
:09:44. > :09:48.stay in the EU, it is going to change and evolve, and if you leave
:09:49. > :09:51.it could create shock waves. However, the way these two sides are
:09:52. > :09:55.selling it, if you staying in, you know, you're going to lose your job
:09:56. > :10:02.and there will be a world war three, played and pestilence. On the other
:10:03. > :10:05.side, if we stay in, we will have foreign hordes coming in. They are
:10:06. > :10:12.taking it to an extreme on both sides. The problem is, do the public
:10:13. > :10:16.really believe most of it? In the general election, you usually get
:10:17. > :10:20.leaders saying, this will happen after the general election, we will
:10:21. > :10:26.spend more money on rascals and give an extra tax cut or whatever. Now
:10:27. > :10:33.the warning -- spend more money on art schools. Now be warning about
:10:34. > :10:38.how bad it will go. One poll was suggesting a lead for the leave
:10:39. > :10:41.campaign? There is an element of antagonism, people saying we are not
:10:42. > :10:45.going to vote to stay just because you are bullying and can join us.
:10:46. > :10:49.There is a tone of bullying of elderly people in this, they are
:10:50. > :10:54.doing it on both sides. Dave, you have a piece on the Sun on Sunday
:10:55. > :11:00.talking about Britain's Armed Forces, according to George Osborne,
:11:01. > :11:03.facing a wave of cuts if we vote to leave the EU. This adds to what
:11:04. > :11:08.David Cameron is saying in the Sunday Telegraph from the Observer.
:11:09. > :11:14.I had a meeting with George Osborne this week in which he says there
:11:15. > :11:18.will be a 20 to ?40 billion black hole in public finances. One of the
:11:19. > :11:23.things he thinks he will have to do is to cut or Armed Forces, he named
:11:24. > :11:28.the figure, ?1.5 billion, new jets will not arrive, we will not have
:11:29. > :11:32.warships, no new kit, he will have to cut again the personnel. We have
:11:33. > :11:36.already seen Armed Forces cut by a fifth and 20,000 jobs have gone. Do
:11:37. > :11:40.we believe this? That is what the Chancellor is saying. He believes
:11:41. > :11:50.that if we leave he will have to do that. The other side will no doubt
:11:51. > :11:53.say that it is another scare story, and this is how it goes on. Small
:11:54. > :11:56.Britain, not Great Britain, is one of the headlines. Let's go on to the
:11:57. > :11:59.Express. It is interesting, I don't know if there is any truth to it,
:12:00. > :12:03.they are saying that panic is gripping Downing Street. Going back
:12:04. > :12:06.to the poll we were talking about that suggested a sizeable lead for
:12:07. > :12:09.the leave campaign, do you think Downing Street are getting worried
:12:10. > :12:14.about the way the referendum might go? All we have to go on at the
:12:15. > :12:17.moment is really the polls and the public sentiment and anecdotal
:12:18. > :12:26.things that we are hearing. You know, if you are David Cameron then
:12:27. > :12:28.I'm sure you are getting uneasy and your kind of thinking, you know,
:12:29. > :12:31.about what can be done in the last two weeks before we go to the polls.
:12:32. > :12:34.If he weren't concerned, and if there was not this panic in Downing
:12:35. > :12:38.Street, we wouldn't be getting all the other stories we were talking
:12:39. > :12:43.about, the warnings about the fence, pensions, NHS and all of that, so
:12:44. > :12:47.there must be some truth to this. -- defence. Equally, it makes for a
:12:48. > :12:51.good headline. And it is the Express's lying on the whole thing.
:12:52. > :12:58.And a lot of us are suffering a little bit from Brexit fatigue --
:12:59. > :13:02.the Express's line. It is not just the polls in fairness. The two sides
:13:03. > :13:06.do their own private polling, they are knocking on doors day and night.
:13:07. > :13:12.What the Labour Party in particular finding is that 70% the core support
:13:13. > :13:16.are saying they are going to leave. This is because they see David
:13:17. > :13:19.Cameron, a Conservative, telling them to remain, and they don't like
:13:20. > :13:24.David Cameron because they are Labour voters. And they haven't seen
:13:25. > :13:29.very much of Jeremy Corbyn, have they? Absolutely not, and I think
:13:30. > :13:33.what this story says is that Labour will take the front seat, the
:13:34. > :13:36.controls of the car, and that the Conservatives sit in the back-seat
:13:37. > :13:39.for a week or so so that they can address the problem. Immigration is
:13:40. > :13:44.an issue that affects working class people more than the better off, the
:13:45. > :13:49.better of use them as the gardeners or cleaners, they are cheap for
:13:50. > :13:56.them. But the working class are in poor areas, these people coming in
:13:57. > :14:00.on the jobs that they don't want. We heard Jeremy Corbyn in an interview
:14:01. > :14:06.yesterday, he was asked on the scale of one to ten about how enthusiastic
:14:07. > :14:10.he was about the EU, he said 7.5, not incredibly enthusiastic.
:14:11. > :14:13.Privately, I have discussed it with MPs in Westminster, who believe that
:14:14. > :14:19.despite what he is saying he will still put his cross in the leave
:14:20. > :14:23.vote because he has been a supporter of leaving Europe. Who knows if he
:14:24. > :14:28.will help or make things even worse for the remain campaign. Let's go on
:14:29. > :14:35.to the Sunday Times. They have got a story about a leaked UK plan to open
:14:36. > :14:38.the doors to 1 million Turkish citizens, British diplomats secretly
:14:39. > :14:43.discussing granting visa-free travel to the UK for more than 1 million
:14:44. > :14:49.Turks, according to leaked diplomatic cables that the Sunday
:14:50. > :14:53.Times say they have seen. To me, this story sounds quite vague and
:14:54. > :14:57.theoretical at this point. They say that the UK could consider extending
:14:58. > :15:01.visa-free travel, the number in question is 1.5 million Turks, but
:15:02. > :15:06.only to those who are special passport holders. It doesn't really
:15:07. > :15:11.explain much to tell what that means and who that would encompass. So I
:15:12. > :15:15.think at this point it is, you know, another spin, yet another spin on
:15:16. > :15:20.the Brexit story. This is one area that people have been concerned
:15:21. > :15:26.about, opening the doors of Europe to the 17 million plus population of
:15:27. > :15:31.Turkey. Hugely, it is very topical, and it will be interesting to see
:15:32. > :15:34.what happens after due the 23rd and whether this will actually
:15:35. > :15:41.materialise. Dave, is that a good story in your view? It is a
:15:42. > :15:45.conjugated story, there are a number of documents from British diplomats
:15:46. > :15:50.saying that we should give -- complicated story. Turkish diplomats
:15:51. > :15:54.free travel. This feeds into the Vote Leave argument that Turkey is
:15:55. > :15:58.about to join the EU, despite reassurances from David Cameron, and
:15:59. > :16:01.we know that David Cameron wants Turkey to join the EU, which would
:16:02. > :16:05.extend the EU borders right up to Syria and Iraq. This plays into
:16:06. > :16:09.that, they are saying that it is a scare story. One side is accusing
:16:10. > :16:14.the other of a scare story, and it is all about carefully selected
:16:15. > :16:18.e-mails. Nevertheless, talks have been going on about getting closer
:16:19. > :16:24.to Turkey. That will play into that story. We have another story in the
:16:25. > :16:29.Sunday Times about new school rules to let boys work skirts, what's that
:16:30. > :16:36.all about? I can't say I am an expert on this! It is sweeping
:16:37. > :16:40.changes. The article says that 80s day schools, including 40 primaries,
:16:41. > :16:45.have introduced gender neutral uniforms -- 80 schools. Girls can
:16:46. > :16:50.wear trousers if they don't want to wear skirts. It is a sweeping
:16:51. > :16:56.change. I off the top of my head, what proportion of LGBT kids in
:16:57. > :16:59.schools is these days. I don't know whether sweeping changes like this
:17:00. > :17:02.are really necessary, and whether it can't be addressed on a case-by-case
:17:03. > :17:09.basis. I definitely think you obviously have two admit open and
:17:10. > :17:13.tolerant -- you have to be open and tolerant about issues like this, if
:17:14. > :17:18.boys want to wear skirts in should be fine. Whether such sweeping
:17:19. > :17:24.changes are needed, or can it not be addressed on a day by day basis.
:17:25. > :17:28.Dave, do you have a view on gender neutral policy? The problem with
:17:29. > :17:34.this is, if anybody has had children will know, if you try to tell a boy
:17:35. > :17:38.that he is not a boy or a girl that is not a girl, there will be a
:17:39. > :17:41.number of rare cases where children are confused about their identity.
:17:42. > :17:46.If you say to a little boy, you can't play with guns, they will find
:17:47. > :17:50.something, and implement to pretend it is a gun. It is trying to make
:17:51. > :17:54.your goal to behave more like a boy, she will still put her mum's high
:17:55. > :18:00.heels on and pick up a handbag and go round the house. That is just the
:18:01. > :18:02.way kids. Lovely thought. Thank you both of you for being with us. Thank
:18:03. > :18:04.you so much. Just a reminder, we take a look
:18:05. > :18:09.at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10:30pm and 11:30pm
:18:10. > :18:13.here on BBC News.