:00:00. > :00:13.Now on BBC News, here's Gavin with The Papers.
:00:14. > :00:31.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:32. > :00:45.With me are broadcaster Yasmin Alibhai-Brown
:00:46. > :00:51.The Mail on Sunday leads on the court appearance of the man
:00:52. > :00:53.charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.
:00:54. > :00:58.The Sunday Telegraph shows a picture of Jo Cox's parents visiting
:00:59. > :01:00.the floral tributes close to where their daughter was killed.
:01:01. > :01:03.Its main story is an interview with Michael Gove who rejects claims
:01:04. > :01:05.that voting to leave the EU will cause a recession.
:01:06. > :01:07.The Observer also leads on the EU Referendum -
:01:08. > :01:10.with a poll commissioned for the paper reporting that both
:01:11. > :01:13.Remain and Leave camps are "locked in a dramatic dead heat" ahead
:01:14. > :01:16.The Sunday Times has an interview with David Cameron,
:01:17. > :01:19.who calls a vote to leave the EU a "one-way ticket" -
:01:20. > :01:21.the paper says another poll claims the Remain camp has edged
:01:22. > :01:25.It shows a picture of British astronaut Tim Peake,
:01:26. > :01:27.who has returned to earth after six months in space.
:01:28. > :01:29.And The Independent bills its lead story as an exclusive.
:01:30. > :01:32.It says weapons and explosives stored at a safe house in Belgium,
:01:33. > :01:35.with the intention of being used by terrorists during Euro 2016,
:01:36. > :01:41.Let's begin with Jo Cox, the family's tribute on the front page
:01:42. > :01:45.of the Telegraph. Quote, we know there are some evil people in this
:01:46. > :01:49.world but a lot of good people, too. It is one of the striking things
:01:50. > :01:53.about this horrific event, how forgiving the family appear to be
:01:54. > :01:58.and how they are concerned... I don't know if they are forgiving,
:01:59. > :02:02.but what they are is, in a way what they are saying is, this doesn't
:02:03. > :02:08.defeat us all what Jo stood for. They must be breaking inside. The
:02:09. > :02:13.sister said, we are broken. But I think they feel, and they are quite
:02:14. > :02:18.right, I do admire the native British for the way they can handle
:02:19. > :02:23.themselves in these crises. I come from a culture where we would be
:02:24. > :02:28.wailing loudly for days, and I think it is important to show not that
:02:29. > :02:34.they weren't broken but that they were going to carry on. I just
:02:35. > :02:42.thought the father, at 1.I thought he was going to cry... He was
:02:43. > :02:51.looking at the flowers, wasn't he? Again and again they keep saying, Jo
:02:52. > :02:55.was a half glass -- glass half full person will stop she did some work
:02:56. > :03:01.in some terrible places, like Garforth. But she kept this optimism
:03:02. > :03:14.and I think that is the things people want to hold onto -- like
:03:15. > :03:18.Darfur. When her sister Kim gave the eulogy, so composed, but I thought
:03:19. > :03:21.they were getting great consolation and support from the people around.
:03:22. > :03:25.When they saw the flowers, I thought the father was going to break then
:03:26. > :03:29.because he was touched by people's affection and love for her, which of
:03:30. > :03:36.course was what he felt, but I think they got some consolation from
:03:37. > :03:40.knowing that people thought very, very highly of her and had genuine
:03:41. > :03:44.affection for an MP who worked for themselves loosely. Watching, the
:03:45. > :03:48.other thing I thought was they were extraordinary but also very
:03:49. > :03:52.ordinary, they could be the people next door. Absolutely, and she
:03:53. > :03:55.related, whether it was the old Muslim by all the traditional
:03:56. > :03:58.working-class people, there were no boundaries all barriers to her and I
:03:59. > :04:04.remember at the 50th birthday party when she was there, a mutual friend,
:04:05. > :04:09.she was heavily pregnant, and she didn't get off the dance floor and I
:04:10. > :04:23.thought, we all were read she would drop this thing! She was a good
:04:24. > :04:27.Yorkshire lass! She was tough. Politics has restarted today, let's
:04:28. > :04:30.cover that. The Telegraph, Michael Gove, except when it cause a
:04:31. > :04:35.recession, Britain will prosper. Like a lot of this stuff, who knows,
:04:36. > :04:40.but what do you think? This onslaught of Project Fear on the
:04:41. > :04:45.economy from the IMF, OCD, IFF, the Treasury, but the truth is I think
:04:46. > :04:47.if there is a Brexit vote on Thursday, which then maybe, who
:04:48. > :04:52.knows, there will be some shenanigans in the markets, I have
:04:53. > :04:56.little doubt, but it will be two or three years before we leave and in
:04:57. > :04:59.that time we would negotiate new trade relationships, pretty certain,
:05:00. > :05:03.with the EU and I think I'd would continue and after that we can have
:05:04. > :05:07.our own trade details so I am with Michael Gove, I don't think a Brexit
:05:08. > :05:15.vote would cause a recession at all and longer term I think our economic
:05:16. > :05:18.prospects would be better. Yasmin? Never trust an economist! They have
:05:19. > :05:26.got it wrong again and again and again! I am not going to trust
:05:27. > :05:32.roots, she is an economist! Morally worse than being a journalist!
:05:33. > :05:37.Michael Gove has never been in a position to run our economy or any
:05:38. > :05:42.other, to be this blase. This Project Fear thing is questionable,
:05:43. > :05:49.too, because the other side has been quitting up the biggest beer of all
:05:50. > :05:58.about immigration. -- whipping up. I'm not an economist, I will give
:05:59. > :06:01.you that, but you have got it wrong, economists have not been good for
:06:02. > :06:06.us! There is this thing that we don't know, nobody knows what is
:06:07. > :06:10.going to happen. There is no reason for recession because trade will
:06:11. > :06:16.continue. What happens if it doesn't? Can I come to your door
:06:17. > :06:22.with a demonstration saying, you said nothing would happen?! Yes, you
:06:23. > :06:27.can! I would lock your door just in case!
:06:28. > :06:31.The Sunday Times has got, not the opposite story but maybe this is
:06:32. > :06:35.something you might agree on, no turning back, warns David Cameron.
:06:36. > :06:41.In other words, if we vote Out, we are out. People talk about a second
:06:42. > :06:45.referendum if there is a Brexit vote on Thursday, go back to the European
:06:46. > :06:49.Commission, talk about wee negotiation, I think it is a
:06:50. > :06:54.nonstarter. Cameron tried. This is about a background of the polls
:06:55. > :06:58.showing a shift towards the Remain side, I wonder if it is the sympathy
:06:59. > :07:01.vote for Jo Cox. I know we will talk about the Observer as well but I
:07:02. > :07:08.thought it was interesting. But he is right, this is Out. He's also
:07:09. > :07:13.right when he says, when you have jumped out of the aeroplane, quote,
:07:14. > :07:17.you cannot scramble back through the door. This is one of the problems
:07:18. > :07:25.with this, once this incredibly big, important decision has been made,
:07:26. > :07:31.those people who may suffer the most are people at the bottom who have no
:07:32. > :07:35.say, in someways, and probably won't go out to vote, sadly, and it will
:07:36. > :07:39.be too late to do anything else. It is all very well to talk about the
:07:40. > :07:42.trade deals being fantastic in Australia or rubber but in the
:07:43. > :07:50.interim years as huge uncertainty will prevail. With the ERM there was
:07:51. > :07:55.lots of uncertainty but the economy thrived so I don't buy all of
:07:56. > :07:59.uncertainty stuff. We just want to believe what we want to believe.
:08:00. > :08:04.You're Project Fear on the economy, let's be frank about this. I just
:08:05. > :08:11.don't want economists to talk about it, that is all! Let's not be
:08:12. > :08:15.horrible about economist any more! Let's move on, Mail On Sunday, lots
:08:16. > :08:21.of interesting things in the Mail On Sunday this week, one is Jo Cox,
:08:22. > :08:28.words that she wrote just four days before she was killed, exclusive,
:08:29. > :08:35.don't fall for Leave's spin, I back the Prime Minister's plan to curb EU
:08:36. > :08:40.migrants. Do you think that perhaps Jo Cox has
:08:41. > :08:44.changed a bit the nature of this campaign, the shock everybody feels?
:08:45. > :08:48.I don't know, I think people might have changed for other reasons but
:08:49. > :08:56.it certainly has shocked the nation. I really want people to think about
:08:57. > :09:00.this and not lay stupid blame on one side or the other. But the country
:09:01. > :09:04.feels like a very openly and unpleasant country on the moment --
:09:05. > :09:07.at the moment if they think you are an outsider, which includes people
:09:08. > :09:12.like me, I have had texts and e-mails, I was shivering with,
:09:13. > :09:18.children who look foreign being assaulted, racism has broken out of
:09:19. > :09:22.the sewer was a bit -- I was showing roof. We always think the hard right
:09:23. > :09:27.is out there in Germany, Poland, so on, but we have a very strong hard
:09:28. > :09:32.right and I think people have begun to look at the country we are
:09:33. > :09:37.becoming, and a good thing, too, because actually I want us to be the
:09:38. > :09:42.country we were during the Olympics. I don't like the way the immigration
:09:43. > :09:46.issue has been so dominant, to be honest, in this campaign. Looking at
:09:47. > :09:50.this, obviously I don't agree with what she's saying, it seems
:09:51. > :09:54.discourteous to disagree with somebody who cannot answer back, but
:09:55. > :09:57.the truth is if we don't leave the single market we cannot control
:09:58. > :10:01.migration from the EU, and that, for a lot of people in this country who
:10:02. > :10:05.are not necessarily hard right or nasty people, is an issue. You
:10:06. > :10:10.cannot get over that, because they see the pressures on the public
:10:11. > :10:13.services, they see migrants from Poland competing for their jobs. You
:10:14. > :10:20.have to address these issues where there is an element of the hard
:10:21. > :10:23.right but these are not necessarily people who are hard right who are
:10:24. > :10:30.concerned about immigration. I am saying we have our own hard right,
:10:31. > :10:34.but I am saying and Nigel Farage's last poster, the most disgusting
:10:35. > :10:40.poster, actually disgusting... I don't condone that. Syrian refugees
:10:41. > :10:43.as a threat to us, but what I'm saying is the mood in the country
:10:44. > :10:50.since the referendum debate turned to migration has been poisonous.
:10:51. > :10:53.People are concerned and you have to address the concerns. A couple of
:10:54. > :10:57.other things, there is quite a lot in the Mail On Sunday which I
:10:58. > :11:05.thought was interesting. This is amazing, I never expected the Mail
:11:06. > :11:09.to do this. Page seven, Swastika girl, Cox's debt is unfortunate but
:11:10. > :11:15.don't let it stop us voting to quit the EU, stuff from various Nazi
:11:16. > :11:20.groups. This is the hard right that you said we tended to ignore. It is
:11:21. > :11:25.interesting how very quickly, very soon after Jo Cox's murder, how many
:11:26. > :11:29.commentators on the right were eager to say to us, oh, he was mentally
:11:30. > :11:37.ill, you might be, I don't know, or it has got nothing to do with the
:11:38. > :11:41.general right-wing and the mood of the country, two disassociates what
:11:42. > :11:45.happened. I think one has to take a much fairer look at what the country
:11:46. > :11:51.has become and here you have it, here you have it. OK, she is one
:11:52. > :11:56.girl, thank God we have kept the extremist right at bay here, but
:11:57. > :12:03.here you have it, they have quoted her, don't let this man sacrifice go
:12:04. > :12:11.in vain. But, Ruth, this is a fringe of a fringe of a fringe, isn't it?
:12:12. > :12:16.It is, a Labour MP in the papers a few days before, who was close to Jo
:12:17. > :12:19.Cox and was in Birstall a couple of days ago, she was very upset, it was
:12:20. > :12:23.quite touching, but she said, please don't criticise this death and
:12:24. > :12:27.connected in that particular way because she thought it wasn't
:12:28. > :12:32.helpful. I hope I am not misquoting her but I would agree with that
:12:33. > :12:36.sentiment. Can we look at what the papers have said about, I don't know
:12:37. > :12:41.whether people are led by leader columns in newspapers, but the Mail
:12:42. > :12:45.has got, for a safer, more prosperous and even greater Britain,
:12:46. > :12:49.we urge you to vote Remain, the Mail On Sunday, not what the Mail says.
:12:50. > :12:54.The Times says, Vote Remain, where the Sunday Times and The Sun, owned
:12:55. > :12:58.by the same people, are saying the opposite. Do you think people care?
:12:59. > :13:03.We care, because we look at this stuff. The irony is that if you are
:13:04. > :13:07.a mail reader, you read the Daily Mail six days a week and then you
:13:08. > :13:13.read this... I don't think Daily Mail readers will be influenced by
:13:14. > :13:17.this, I detect the big rivalry here, I would not want to go to a family
:13:18. > :13:22.party that! I'm shocked you detect some kind of rivalry in the Mail!
:13:23. > :13:26.This is what is happening to the country, within families this huge
:13:27. > :13:32.divide, Boris' family, the only one who wants out, he and his wife. His
:13:33. > :13:40.sister is in here somewhere saying the opposite. His father is in, the
:13:41. > :13:45.brothers are in. My closest Asian friends, I grew up with them, I am
:13:46. > :13:49.so upset that they want to leave, and my English husband is going to
:13:50. > :13:56.go to them today, sit them down and give them a lecture on how this is
:13:57. > :13:59.wrong! Intimidation! I'm not sure Sunday lunches are the place to
:14:00. > :14:03.discuss any of this! The Observer must have been
:14:04. > :14:08.listening to you, Britain's bit down the middle over Brexit. Do you trust
:14:09. > :14:12.the opinion polls on this? I suggest many of us don't any more. Not
:14:13. > :14:18.really, they got it so very badly wrong before the 2015 election. Most
:14:19. > :14:22.of the polling on this one was done before Jo Cox's debt and I suspect,
:14:23. > :14:27.as I mentioned earlier, there might have been a bit of a sympathy vote
:14:28. > :14:31.towards Remain since then. What surprises me about all this is how
:14:32. > :14:35.close the polls are, however bad or good they are, how close they are. I
:14:36. > :14:43.thought the Remain campaign would wallop this. I think some of them
:14:44. > :14:49.did, as well. I did not expect... Remain was lazy at the beginning.
:14:50. > :15:00.Neither was brilliant. Brexit was hyperactive! We are at hyperactive
:15:01. > :15:04.people! Is that it, Ruth, do you think Brexiters are very interested
:15:05. > :15:08.in this and the past sway the British people are not that
:15:09. > :15:12.bothered? It is interesting, people who say they will vote Brexit are
:15:13. > :15:16.more likely to vote than those who said they would vote Remain, they
:15:17. > :15:21.are more Bob -- more motivated. And that is why I want all of you don't
:15:22. > :15:29.want to leave to... This is party political! I am going to change the
:15:30. > :15:32.subject completely because we are in enough trouble!
:15:33. > :15:38.The Observer has got what I think is a great story, cheered me up, Tim
:15:39. > :15:45.Peake is back on Earth. Interested in this or not? It is fantastic! And
:15:46. > :15:51.he looks so... Just so unaffected, when you watched him, it was
:15:52. > :15:56.Kazakhstan where he came down, he must be so fit, in the old-fashioned
:15:57. > :16:04.meaning of the word, all of the words are changing now! I usually
:16:05. > :16:08.feel worth getting off the tube than he did coming at 28,000 mph or
:16:09. > :16:13.something through the earth's atmosphere! When they put him on the
:16:14. > :16:20.funny, tactical chair then wiped his face, he looked pretty exhausted. He
:16:21. > :16:24.is a great advocate. He is fantastic, he said, all I want now
:16:25. > :16:29.is a pizza and a cold beer. His body has been under huge stress, the
:16:30. > :16:33.capital comes out at something like 18,000 mph, I hope I have got the
:16:34. > :16:38.figure right, don't trust me, I'm an economist! It hits the Earth with a
:16:39. > :16:42.great bump and I think the capsule was upside down so they had to push
:16:43. > :16:46.it over. By the time he was on his feet he looked much better but his
:16:47. > :16:52.body has been through huge stress. He really enter used young kids. And
:16:53. > :16:57.he worked at it, didn't he, talking to classrooms and that sort of
:16:58. > :16:59.stuff? Science is still not popular amongst young kids, it is heroic,
:17:00. > :17:04.fantastic. Heroic, fantastic. Thanks to Ruth Lea and
:17:05. > :17:07.Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. Just a reminder we'll take a look
:17:08. > :17:10.at tomorrow's front pages tonight at 10.30pm and 11.30pm here on BBC
:17:11. > :17:21.News.