:00:15. > :00:18.Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be
:00:19. > :00:29.You both sat upright then... LAUGHTER.
:00:30. > :00:34.We knew that we were on telly and thought we had better look our best.
:00:35. > :00:36.With me are the broadcaster, John Stapleton, and the former
:00:37. > :00:40.It is nice to have you both here. Thank you.
:00:41. > :00:48.But first let's have a quick look at some of the front pages,
:00:49. > :00:50.which are almost all focus on the EU Referendum.
:00:51. > :00:53.The Telegraph reports that Boris Johnson has used a letter
:00:54. > :00:56.in the paper to call on voters to seize a once-in-a-lifetime
:00:57. > :01:05.The Times reveals that Baroness Warsi, a former co-chair
:01:06. > :01:08.of the Conservative Party, will announce that she is abandoning
:01:09. > :01:11.Brexit and defecting to the Remain campaign in protest at what she has
:01:12. > :01:12.described as its "hate and xenophobia."
:01:13. > :01:15.The Guardian leads with the news we have been covering tonight.
:01:16. > :01:18.The Prime Minister using an appearance on Question Time
:01:19. > :01:20.to invoked the memory of Winston Churchill as he delivered
:01:21. > :01:23.an impassioned plea for EU membership.
:01:24. > :01:31.The Financial Times says that David Cameron invoked the memory
:01:32. > :01:34.of the murdered Labour MP, Jo Cox, to press the case for Britain
:01:35. > :01:39.staying in the EU during that Question Time appearance.
:01:40. > :01:42.The Daily Mail sees it differently, saying the David Cameron
:01:43. > :01:46.was subjected to a live TV mauling over his failure to curb EU
:01:47. > :01:51.The Express claims that every family could be hit with a ?2,600 tax bill
:01:52. > :01:56.The paper says that European Union is opposed to the UK charging zero
:01:57. > :02:03.The Sun goes with Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn's comments this
:02:04. > :02:06.morning that there can be no upper limit on the number of people coming
:02:07. > :02:10.into the UK while there is free movement of labour in the EU.
:02:11. > :02:13.And the Mirror meanwhile splashes on what it says is the first picture
:02:14. > :02:24.of a pensioner who tried to save MP Jo Cox before her death.
:02:25. > :02:33.So, we will begin this time with the Times, and since we were last on a
:02:34. > :02:39.it has changed its headline. Exit camp divided as senior Tory walks
:02:40. > :02:50.out. Gove and Farage accused of spreading hatred. And Baroness
:02:51. > :02:59.Warsi, communities minister, now a peer in the House of Lords. She had
:03:00. > :03:00.started off as a Leaver and with what happened in the last couple of
:03:01. > :03:05.days and weeks it appears that she days and weeks it appears that she
:03:06. > :03:08.has had a change of heart. To be fair I would call it a non-
:03:09. > :03:15.defection- defection because we would have thought she was always a
:03:16. > :03:20.Remainer, so it is desperate stuff, trying to invent a defector. What we
:03:21. > :03:29.know for sure is Lord Guthrie, former head of the armed forces, he
:03:30. > :03:34.has defected to leave and he is now an Brexiter. I don't think this
:03:35. > :03:38.rings true. She left in 2014 saying she couldn't support the decision on
:03:39. > :03:45.the conflict. It is powerful. She is accusing Michael Gove in her words
:03:46. > :03:52.of peddling lies and xenophobia and I think she has in mind... There are
:03:53. > :03:56.three that David Cameron has identified. The EU cost ?300
:03:57. > :04:02.million. It doesn't. We get half of it back. There will be an EU army,
:04:03. > :04:07.well it won't be happening. And Turkey will join the EU. Well, maybe
:04:08. > :04:13.one day but not within my lifetime. I think that is what she is talking
:04:14. > :04:16.about. Whatever she is talking about, it is a non- defection
:04:17. > :04:21.defection because most people would have always thought she was a
:04:22. > :04:29.Remainer. What people were saying is, why are we paying ?10 billion to
:04:30. > :04:33.an organisation? We are actually paying 62 billion in trade deficits.
:04:34. > :04:37.People would say we are not having our sovereignty and we need to keep
:04:38. > :04:46.control of Allah borders. We are talking stories either way -- our
:04:47. > :04:50.borders. Why would she say she was the final straw and can't support it
:04:51. > :04:55.if it's not a defection? Because most of us would have had her down
:04:56. > :05:00.as a Remainer. But what she thinks she is and says she is... We have
:05:01. > :05:05.quotes of her as a Remainer. Maybe she has changed. We are not sure
:05:06. > :05:09.about her. Boris said he wanted to stay in. He would decide to leave if
:05:10. > :05:14.Cameron didn't get the right reforms. To be fair, people would
:05:15. > :05:17.have said they don't know which side of the argument to be on and they
:05:18. > :05:22.will look at what he brings back as a deal and then people have said,
:05:23. > :05:25.actually, there is no deal. We still have freedom of movement. We still
:05:26. > :05:29.want. We haven't got sovereignty. want. We haven't got sovereignty.
:05:30. > :05:34.People said he didn't bring anything back. The sovereignty argument is
:05:35. > :05:45.interesting. We choose to belong to Nato and the UN. We choose to belong
:05:46. > :05:48.up until now to the EU. So all of our sovereignty has gone but we
:05:49. > :05:53.decide to belong to bigger organisations because we think that
:05:54. > :05:58.on balance it is worth doing. We are saying, who makes the laws? You have
:05:59. > :06:04.unelected commissioners making the laws. They are commissioners we
:06:05. > :06:08.send, just as all the others. They have to be approved. They are not
:06:09. > :06:14.elected and we cannot get rid of them as we do in this country. 50%
:06:15. > :06:22.of the laws are coming from Europe. That is not true. Something like 2%
:06:23. > :06:30.of our laws in this country are from the EU. We send MEPs who vote on
:06:31. > :06:33.policies brought down from the commission. Laws are introduced by
:06:34. > :06:43.people who are not elected by us and we cannot get... We agree on that.
:06:44. > :06:47.The point is MEPs vote on it. They can have a vote on it to tinker them
:06:48. > :06:52.but they are not introducing them. The commission introduces laws at
:06:53. > :06:55.the request of the member states. Having been there for several years
:06:56. > :07:05.and watching the process that goes through, I would say it is bordering
:07:06. > :07:09.on to the least worst option as 28 countries cobbled together laws. We
:07:10. > :07:16.think it is right in saying that it is diminishing our democratic
:07:17. > :07:25.process here and that is a huge part of the issue. Get a word in, John.
:07:26. > :07:30.It does claim to be a Brexit, it was a Brexit, and she was in the
:07:31. > :07:37.remaining camp, and she says she has left because of the UKIP poster
:07:38. > :07:40.issued on Friday showing a stream of people coming with the headline,
:07:41. > :07:46.breaking point. Most people didn't agree with that. It is on the Metro.
:07:47. > :07:50.The implication that they were coming into Britain. They were
:07:51. > :07:54.Syrians going to Slovenia. George Osborne said today it was vile and
:07:55. > :08:00.disgusting and Nigel Farage is battling to defend it. Everyone else
:08:01. > :08:04.has said it was wrong and misguided. They said they shuddered. We must be
:08:05. > :08:09.able to talk about immigration. That was misguided without doubt. It was
:08:10. > :08:14.only a one-day poster. He will have another one tomorrow. Well, he has
:08:15. > :08:19.to say that. In the Metro he says he is a victim of political hatred. I
:08:20. > :08:22.don't follow that. I heard him say it earlier, we have to be careful
:08:23. > :08:28.about this, I think he was saying that had it not been for the
:08:29. > :08:31.unfortunate murder of Jo Cox he would have been put through the
:08:32. > :08:35.ringer over that poster. People can understand what I mean over that.
:08:36. > :08:39.That was one of his lines of defence and whether you agree is another
:08:40. > :08:45.thing. I thought it was a vile thing to do. They are not EU migrants.
:08:46. > :08:51.They asked Syrians. They have no idea of Britain. He came out and
:08:52. > :08:57.said it was wrong, the tone was wrong - mistake. Michael Gove
:08:58. > :09:01.distance himself too. The Daily Mail, PM's TV mauling over
:09:02. > :09:05.migration. A mixed reaction to his performance. Some thought he did
:09:06. > :09:11.well and was impassioned, others thought he began to rant. I missed
:09:12. > :09:16.the first few minutes. Esther said it was a game of two halves. I saw
:09:17. > :09:19.35 minutes and I thought the audience was really good and feisty
:09:20. > :09:24.with intelligent questions and they were not letting him off the hook. I
:09:25. > :09:28.thought he coped quite well. What got him going was a reference to
:09:29. > :09:31.someone saying he was a modern day Neville Chamberlain with
:09:32. > :09:36.paper that he waves in front of us. We all know that it is a European
:09:37. > :09:42.dictatorship that can put the paper in the bin. That got him going,
:09:43. > :09:47.talking about Churchill. He said he didn't give in and we shouldn't get
:09:48. > :09:50.in. This is what we were talking about before, the democracy having
:09:51. > :09:56.what you thought you have got, he came back and said... Neville
:09:57. > :09:59.Chamberlain, waving this piece of paper with what you have thought you
:10:00. > :10:03.had got and it actually isn't, you think you have got it but those 27
:10:04. > :10:08.other countries can turn against you. You have brought back nothing.
:10:09. > :10:13.Marks out of ten, what would you give him for that performance? You
:10:14. > :10:21.saw it all. I thought the second half was much better. He was much
:10:22. > :10:26.stronger on that answer. But I think... He looked anxious in the
:10:27. > :10:31.first half. Oh, really? I don't think there was anything new. He
:10:32. > :10:36.would be anxious. I have to say, when you are doing those debates,
:10:37. > :10:38.they are nerve-racking. Obviously he has placed his credibility and
:10:39. > :10:46.belief on the line. He didn't sparkle. And the polls are neck and
:10:47. > :10:55.neck with a search, if you believe them, towards the Remain camp. The
:10:56. > :11:00.Sun - we just can't keep them out. Oh, dear. Jeremy Corbyn admitting it
:11:01. > :11:06.would be impossible to put any limit on EU migrants if the country votes
:11:07. > :11:12.remain. Well, he has it right. There is no argument. If the country votes
:11:13. > :11:20.to leave, but the negotiations take place for us to remain as trading
:11:21. > :11:24.partners, a bit like Norway or Switzerland, they would still be the
:11:25. > :11:31.same freedom of movement issues. That is untrue. Like they have their
:11:32. > :11:33.own agreement, we would then have our agreement. Some of those
:11:34. > :11:38.countries asked for more immigration to go to them because that was part
:11:39. > :11:44.of it, they wanted that. We would look at it and said, what do we want
:11:45. > :11:48.and not want? You can't compare the UK agreement with someone else's
:11:49. > :11:52.agreement -- say. For the first two years, not too much would be
:11:53. > :11:58.happening. And because we've got most things in place it would be a
:11:59. > :12:02.pretty quick deal. And it would be because most exports are coming to
:12:03. > :12:09.the UK. If we leave the EU, the UK is Europe's biggest single export
:12:10. > :12:13.market. Of course we can negotiate. Why would the 27 members make it
:12:14. > :12:18.easy for Britain to leave and strike a deal easily when they would tell
:12:19. > :12:23.us that we are at the back of the queue? They are selling more to us.
:12:24. > :12:26.We are on a 62 billion deficit each year with them. That's why they
:12:27. > :12:32.would make it easier. They argue in more from us. Back to the story from
:12:33. > :12:37.the Sun, briefly, it is interesting because of the impact it will have
:12:38. > :12:40.on Labour Party support and support for members because don't forget
:12:41. > :12:44.John McDonald has said we should be campaigning for reform of movement
:12:45. > :12:50.of labour and so on. It never happened. Arguably, these remarks
:12:51. > :12:55.from Jeremy Corbyn, they are damaging to Labour and the Remain
:12:56. > :13:02.cause because it highlights what is a fact. We are trying to hide behind
:13:03. > :13:08.this and he has told the truth. There is nothing we can do if we
:13:09. > :13:13.remain. What the others say is we have tried to negotiate but we
:13:14. > :13:17.can't. It never happened. The Daily Express, EU tax rate on Britain. The
:13:18. > :13:24.soaring cost of staying in is revealed as PM is heckled on TV. By
:13:25. > :13:33.some. I mean, they did laugh, I mean, at the Prime Minister. This is
:13:34. > :13:39.because Brussels stone like Britain charging zero cut rate VAT on some
:13:40. > :13:43.items -- Brussels don't like. All the papers have their position on
:13:44. > :13:47.Remain or Leave and quite rightly they have a story that suit their
:13:48. > :13:55.cause. The Daily Mail is very much to Leave. The Express is to leave.
:13:56. > :14:02.This is a story which is quite true, it is quite possible that the EU
:14:03. > :14:07.would scrap... We currently have a zero rate of VAT on certain items.
:14:08. > :14:12.They could change it. No one is saying it. No one is saying we would
:14:13. > :14:16.do this. It is theoretically possible. No one is quoted as saying
:14:17. > :14:21.it would happen. They are saying the VAT is an EU tax and it is what they
:14:22. > :14:24.control, so whereas George Osborne and David Cameron said we have
:14:25. > :14:29.negotiated so sanitary towels for women can be zero rate of tax rather
:14:30. > :14:33.than 5%, they haven't got it, but if they should in future want more
:14:34. > :14:36.money from the UK, the way they would go about it is no doubt
:14:37. > :14:43.through VAT. Just like last year... (CROSSTALK). Last year it was
:14:44. > :14:48.November, 2014, they decided the UK had too much of a black economy, so
:14:49. > :14:52.they took ?1 billion from us. This is how to do it. They could do it
:14:53. > :14:56.but there is no plan to do it currently. They took 1 billion from
:14:57. > :15:02.us the other year like that. We will see. That is all I can say. We could
:15:03. > :15:08.carry on but I think we've got to go. The taxi is here. Thank you very
:15:09. > :15:10.much, Esther and John. Lovely to see you both.
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