:00:00. > :00:00.that he lacks a great deal of support from his members. We are
:00:00. > :00:12.going to move on to the papers. Hello and welcome to our Sunday
:00:13. > :00:15.morning edition of The Papers. With me are journalist
:00:16. > :00:17.Lucy Cavendish, and Ian Birrell, Contributing Editor
:00:18. > :00:20.of the Mail on Sunday . The Observer says that Labour has
:00:21. > :00:27.been plunged into its "greatest crisis for generations"
:00:28. > :00:29.as a leadership bid was launched The Telegraph claims that
:00:30. > :00:33.Theresa May's most senior allies have gone to war
:00:34. > :00:35.against Andrea Leadsom in retaliation for her
:00:36. > :00:38.comments on motherhood. The Sunday Times also goes
:00:39. > :00:41.for the same story and says that 20 Tory MPs 'would quit party'
:00:42. > :00:44.if Mrs Leadsom were to win The Sunday Express also
:00:45. > :00:48.covers her controversial comments, saying that mothers have rounded
:00:49. > :00:51.on Andrea Leadsom and accused her of "weaponising" parenthood
:00:52. > :00:53.in her fight to become Prime The Mail on Sunday reports that
:00:54. > :01:00.Sir Cliff Richard has launched a ?1 million law suit over the BBC's
:01:01. > :01:05.broadcast of the police The Sunday Mirror splashes on news
:01:06. > :01:09.that the former Labour Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott now believes
:01:10. > :01:24.that Tony Blair illegally led Let's begin with the Labour Party,
:01:25. > :01:31.we've been hearing about Jeremy Corbyn, Labour Angela Eagle wants
:01:32. > :01:35.bid to print an Corbyn. They are living in a parallel universe, I
:01:36. > :01:39.spent the entire week thinking politicians have lost touch with
:01:40. > :01:47.what is going on. Actually, it's all rather egocentric. -- Jeremy Corbyn.
:01:48. > :01:53.He seems to have no idea of what is actually going on, 63 of his Cabinet
:01:54. > :01:56.resigns, he hasn't got able to full spaces, Angela Eagle is going to
:01:57. > :02:00.come out and I think it's a disaster and the Labour Party will split and
:02:01. > :02:03.who knows what will come out of that? They have lost Scotland, they
:02:04. > :02:08.don't have enough to have Parliamentary majority in an
:02:09. > :02:13.election, I can't understand how he hasn't resigned, just as a matter of
:02:14. > :02:16.principle. A sort of veteran Labour Party members said privately to me
:02:17. > :02:20.last week, there are people within the Labour Party who never trusted
:02:21. > :02:25.the way Parliament works, they are looking to the grassroots, they are
:02:26. > :02:29.getting extra support, it could be a disaster but they are getting more
:02:30. > :02:37.members. That is a key point. I think Corbyn is unelectable, he has
:02:38. > :02:43.lost the support of his party but he has increased membership to have a
:02:44. > :02:46.million people. The Tories got 140,000 people, to put that in
:02:47. > :02:49.perspective, we saw the debate about the Iraq war, the modernisers
:02:50. > :02:55.screwed up the middle east in their rush to war. Corbyn was on the right
:02:56. > :02:58.side of that, yes, he is a lamentable Labour leader, the party
:02:59. > :03:03.is two factions which it seems impossible to knit together. They
:03:04. > :03:07.are providing no opposition and yes, they have lost great swathes of the
:03:08. > :03:12.country, probably the North as well as Scotland. But against that, there
:03:13. > :03:15.is a case to be made for Corbyn and it's only a year since the
:03:16. > :03:19.membership let them against the Parliamentary party which they solve
:03:20. > :03:25.as out of touch with the needs of the country. It is easy to attack
:03:26. > :03:28.him and I attack on a lot like any other political commentator because
:03:29. > :03:33.he does appear to be a total loser when it comes to winning an election
:03:34. > :03:36.but against that, he does have the support... The problem is the party
:03:37. > :03:40.system which nets factions that have nothing in common together and what
:03:41. > :03:45.we need to see, as with the Conservatives, is a shattering of
:03:46. > :03:50.the traditional tribal loyalties. You don't get that in the first past
:03:51. > :03:53.the post system usually because if any of the parties split, the other
:03:54. > :03:58.party will do better in first past the post. What you say is right, he
:03:59. > :04:04.is unelectable and the Labour Party note that he is unelectable and yes,
:04:05. > :04:07.of course, he has put on members and that's an interesting point,
:04:08. > :04:12.fascinating why that has happened, to a certain extent I think it's a
:04:13. > :04:16.protest against what people see as a set of politicians who are out of
:04:17. > :04:23.touch and in a way, to certain younger people, he looks oddly in
:04:24. > :04:27.touch even all I think he isn't. There has been no opposition at all,
:04:28. > :04:33.I'm a Labour Party supporter and I don't support him, he says I have
:04:34. > :04:38.done this and done that, I cannot believe he thinks that's actually...
:04:39. > :04:41.He said on the programme we must unite to put enormous pressure on
:04:42. > :04:47.the story government. They are not in any way United. The Tories are
:04:48. > :04:50.united, they are not united. Clearly one of the problems is he was
:04:51. > :04:54.appalling during the Brexit campaign, you felt his heart wasn't
:04:55. > :04:58.in it, the forces of darkness were unleashed by this campaign and he
:04:59. > :05:03.basically allowed a lot of the vote on the left to side with the Ukip
:05:04. > :05:07.tendency and vote for Brexit and I think that is why a lot of the young
:05:08. > :05:12.people who flock to his side, some of them feel disenchanted because of
:05:13. > :05:16.this pathetic performance. We will, to the Tories in a moment, let's
:05:17. > :05:21.take a step back into our history, Lehrer forced us into an illegal war
:05:22. > :05:25.is the splash on the Sunday Berrer, John Prescott saying I supported the
:05:26. > :05:30.war at the time but I now think it's illegal. Quite a statement! It's
:05:31. > :05:33.blindingly obvious statement because the Chilcott Report has come out and
:05:34. > :05:39.said it was illegal. Most people with half a brain at the time could
:05:40. > :05:43.have seen that and meddling in the Middle East when there was no exit
:05:44. > :05:48.plan, no idea what was going to happen, is not a good idea. The fact
:05:49. > :05:51.that Escott has come up now, it's too late, I'm terribly sorry and
:05:52. > :06:00.sorry for the people who lost loved ones. -- Prescott. It shattered Iraq
:06:01. > :06:04.and Syria. Why didn't he do something at the time, silly man?
:06:05. > :06:09.It's a prime example by people have lost faith in politics, I was Deputy
:06:10. > :06:13.Editor of the independent throughout this period which was quite a lonely
:06:14. > :06:17.voice and was pointing out a lot of the flaws which emerged in Chilcott.
:06:18. > :06:21.Because Prescott kept quiet, he claims to have seen the fact that
:06:22. > :06:28.there was so for government going on, not enough discussion and after
:06:29. > :06:33.Chilcott provides cover while he is touring the world on Cunard telling
:06:34. > :06:37.funny anecdotes about his affairs, only now is he having the bottle to
:06:38. > :06:40.come out and say something. The reality is that he done something at
:06:41. > :06:44.the time, Britain might not have gone down this road and there might
:06:45. > :06:48.have been a different outcome to history at the result, as I have
:06:49. > :06:51.seen working in places like Iraq and Syria is the shattering of the
:06:52. > :06:55.Middle East with dire consequences for the world, of course, he is
:06:56. > :06:59.happy getting paid for his column by the Sunday murder and he cries
:07:00. > :07:03.crocodile tears. Let's move on to the future, the Sunday Telegraph,
:07:04. > :07:10.Tory women turned against let's... What do you make of the row and it
:07:11. > :07:17.was described as gutter journalism. That is absolute nonsense, there is
:07:18. > :07:21.all sorts on this and I could go on but I bought but what irritates me
:07:22. > :07:25.is that no man stands up and said I should lead the party because I am a
:07:26. > :07:29.father and no one questions men on whether they do or don't have
:07:30. > :07:32.children so it's incredibly annoying to women to have this as the
:07:33. > :07:41.centrepoint of whoever is going to be elected. The leader of the Tory
:07:42. > :07:44.party, who will look our country is Prime Minister, that irritating. The
:07:45. > :07:47.journalist who did the interview, this is an experienced politician,
:07:48. > :07:52.she has done interviews before, she cannot be a complete idiot and not
:07:53. > :07:56.know what she is saying. It is recorded on tape, she used that as
:07:57. > :08:02.something to use leveraged against a reason me and that is appalling, to
:08:03. > :08:06.actually question someone about whether they do or don't have
:08:07. > :08:11.children. It absolutely... The comments that are guttersnipe, not
:08:12. > :08:14.the fact it was reported. It was reported in good faith, it's
:08:15. > :08:19.recorded, it is on tape, you cannot argue against that. It is certainly
:08:20. > :08:25.a story you would have run. Of course you would, it's interesting,
:08:26. > :08:28.2002 reason they made her name by pointing out the Tories were
:08:29. > :08:31.perceived in some quarters as the nasty party, since then David
:08:32. > :08:38.Cameron has tried to turn that for Tehran to a large extent on I with
:08:39. > :08:52.him on some of that but it's like on the alert is trying to reinvent the
:08:53. > :08:57.nasty party. -- to turn that around. It's amazing to think she did not
:08:58. > :09:01.know that would happen. The express has the same thing... Broadly, the
:09:02. > :09:06.papers support that Conservative Party... But the electorate for the
:09:07. > :09:11.selection who will give us the next Prime Minister is not the general
:09:12. > :09:15.electorate, it is smaller. People have a very dim view of this
:09:16. > :09:19.electorate but in the heart of it, these are decent people who believe
:09:20. > :09:24.in Britain, certain values, those values are not attacking a woman who
:09:25. > :09:28.cannot have children and says she is sad about not having children, what
:09:29. > :09:35.we see, I hope, the meltdown of the angry let's campaign, she has been
:09:36. > :09:40.foisted on the leadership by Anne small-group of right-wingers, they
:09:41. > :09:44.are trying to get someone who is clearly inadequate for the job on
:09:45. > :09:48.the idea that at a time of crisis for the country, regardless of your
:09:49. > :09:51.views on Brexit, the country needs to be reunited, we need to work
:09:52. > :09:56.either position with Europe and the world, the idea that this woman who
:09:57. > :10:00.has a flaky CV and appears to be nasty, the only thing she has said
:10:01. > :10:04.of any interest is attacking same-sex marriage. The idea that she
:10:05. > :10:07.is the answer to the country's problems is... She is supported by
:10:08. > :10:12.quite a number of Conservative MPs, clearly has a basis of support, we
:10:13. > :10:15.have to see what the members think but we talk about labour divisions
:10:16. > :10:18.on the possibility of a split, the same thing is true of the
:10:19. > :10:23.Conservatives, whatever the divisions they are bound to call
:10:24. > :10:25.here because the electoral system or penalised them seriously if they
:10:26. > :10:29.don't. I think they will and I think, as you said, there is a cabal
:10:30. > :10:33.of right-wingers who want in place and I don't think that will happen,
:10:34. > :10:38.I think Theresa May will get broad support and it will be a steadying
:10:39. > :10:43.decision. I am not a ticket but actually, what will happen is that
:10:44. > :10:50.we'll actually steady the Tory party in a way that the Labour Party
:10:51. > :10:55.cannot steadied. The Sunday Times has it, some people floating ideas
:10:56. > :11:02.about a realignment of the centre, between those who are probably
:11:03. > :11:06.nationalistic and globalist, others say it's between optimism and
:11:07. > :11:09.pessimism, I wonder whether you see a realignment as being possible?
:11:10. > :11:12.I've written about these divisions, we have seen them across the West
:11:13. > :11:18.through Austria to the United States. There is a division between
:11:19. > :11:22.optimists who tend to be globalist and more open-minded and pessimist
:11:23. > :11:26.to be fearful and isolationist and isolationist and that is the big
:11:27. > :11:31.division and that is cracking open the parties. It is certainly
:11:32. > :11:34.possible and a lot of talk, I have heard from moderate conservatives,
:11:35. > :11:38.you see it in the Sunday Times, foundry lets us elected leader there
:11:39. > :11:41.might be further talk about a realignment of politics. I think
:11:42. > :11:46.it's possible and it's just a problem as to how did these
:11:47. > :11:49.divisions go, how consensual the approaches or to resolve them and
:11:50. > :11:53.whether the two party system can sustain in the modern age. I have
:11:54. > :11:57.long thought it's not suited but at the same time, there is a problem
:11:58. > :12:01.with proportional representation, we've just seen countries like
:12:02. > :12:12.Spain, Ireland and Belgium gone once the Saudi government. -- go with
:12:13. > :12:16.Alta government. The only positive thing I can think of, all does this
:12:17. > :12:20.chaos something you could emerge. I actually don't feel I have anyone I
:12:21. > :12:25.want to vote for and that's not a great place to be. Indeed, thank you
:12:26. > :12:30.both are much. That is it for the papers, are thanks to our reviewers,
:12:31. > :12:35.Ian and Lucy. We will take a look at tomorrow's front pages every evening
:12:36. > :12:46.attended the PM and 11:30pm on BBC News. -- at 10:30pm.
:12:47. > :12:53.I am afraid there is still no sign of any prolonged, settled dry and
:12:54. > :12:56.sunny weather but today, a cloudy day with outbreaks of rain, feeling
:12:57. > :12:57.quite humid if you are out and