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:00:15. > :00:17.Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

:00:18. > :00:20.With me are Paul Johnson, deputy editor of the Guardian,

:00:21. > :00:23.and Tim Collins, the former Tory MP and managing director

:00:24. > :00:31.The Guardian, which pictures a laughing Prime Minister

:00:32. > :00:37.and her husband, Philip, on the steps of Number Ten.

:00:38. > :00:40.The paper says her speech was focused on the "middle ground".

:00:41. > :00:43.The i uses a phrase from that speech, with the Prime Minister

:00:44. > :00:47.saying, "Let's build a fairer Britain."

:00:48. > :00:50.A photo from the other side of the famous Downing Street door

:00:51. > :00:52.dominates the Telegraph's front page.

:00:53. > :00:59.The headline is "May brings in the Brexiteers."

:01:00. > :01:00.The Times calls tonight's government appointments,

:01:01. > :01:02."May's clean break," after the Prime Minister sacked

:01:03. > :01:06.Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson features in Express alongside

:01:07. > :01:08.Brexit Secretary David Davis, calling the pair, "May's team

:01:09. > :01:14.The Mirror pictures Boris stuck on that infamous zipwire,

:01:15. > :01:24.with the simple headline, "Dear world...sorry."

:01:25. > :01:31.The FT looks at the possible impact of Philip Hammond taking over

:01:32. > :01:33.at the Treasury, describing him as, "Low-key".

:01:34. > :01:35.The departing Cameron family feature on the Metro,

:01:36. > :01:37.alongside details of new government appointments to what it calls,

:01:38. > :01:52.Let's start with you, Paul Dahmer because we have the front of the

:01:53. > :01:59.Guardian here. Very nice photo of Theresa May with Philip. In the

:02:00. > :02:03.corner it says, a speech to make Ed Miliband choke on his teeth. To come

:02:04. > :02:10.back to the photograph, it is terrific, it captures the moment she

:02:11. > :02:16.told her husband Boris Johnson would be Foreign Secretary! LAUGHTER.

:02:17. > :02:24.They laughed in Paris and Brussels and New York et cetera. To come back

:02:25. > :02:28.to the speech, it was interesting, powerful, direct, talked about

:02:29. > :02:32.disadvantage and discrimination. She said, when we make the calls we

:02:33. > :02:39.won't think of the powerful bite of you. When we pass laws we won't

:02:40. > :02:43.think of the mighty bite you -- but. When it comes to taxes we will

:02:44. > :02:49.prioritise not the wealthy but you -- but. Powerful speech. Slight

:02:50. > :02:52.echoes, some commentators say it could have been delivered by Ed

:02:53. > :02:58.Miliband, but there are some echoes, Tim would be expert of this than the

:02:59. > :03:04.-- more the expert of this than me, but when Margaret Thatcher is quoted

:03:05. > :03:08.St Francis of Assisi. When there is discord, may we bring harmony. With

:03:09. > :03:12.the chaos in Labour at the moment, alarm bells will be ringing. I think

:03:13. > :03:19.they will perpetually be ringing in Labour for about 12 months. I think

:03:20. > :03:22.we need to come back to the ring. What you do and what you say are

:03:23. > :03:31.different things. Actions speak stronger than words. Just above the

:03:32. > :03:35.main story, Cabinet takes a tilt to the right. You feel the Guardian has

:03:36. > :03:40.got it wrong. I fear the Guardian aren't the right people to

:03:41. > :03:43.understand what goes on in the Tory party and I wouldn't read the Daily

:03:44. > :03:51.Telegraph to understand what is going on in the Labour Party. After

:03:52. > :03:55.20 years in politics, ten years analysing it, this is by eight

:03:56. > :04:01.country mile the cleverest, most successful reshuffle I have seen any

:04:02. > :04:09.Prime Minister make in a 30 year period. She has created a complete

:04:10. > :04:12.free hand to do what she said she wanted to do on the steps of Downing

:04:13. > :04:17.Street. She said she wanted to deliver Grexit. She has put in

:04:18. > :04:22.charge people who will do that -- Brexit. And in doing that, she has

:04:23. > :04:28.given herself a complete FreeHand. The right-wing of the Tory party,

:04:29. > :04:32.the Leave side, they will fall give her anything. Their view is she will

:04:33. > :04:35.deliver Brexit and that will allow her to do the other things on

:04:36. > :04:42.tackling social injustice, rebalancing the economy, because the

:04:43. > :04:46.other part of the reshuffle was the first dismissal of a chancellor

:04:47. > :04:51.since Harold Macmillan in the 1950s, the night of the Long knives, to

:04:52. > :04:55.fire your chancellor, indicating she is serious when she says she wants a

:04:56. > :05:00.fundamentally different, interventionist, redistributionist

:05:01. > :05:06.economic strategy -- long knives. Was it important to have such an

:05:07. > :05:11.execution? I think it was made clear when she talked in her launch speech

:05:12. > :05:16.earlier this week, and on Downing Street today, about wanting to be

:05:17. > :05:22.not on the side of the privileged but working people, when she talks

:05:23. > :05:26.about intervening to protect British businesses from being overtaken by

:05:27. > :05:30.overseas businesses, she means it. It is fundamentally different from

:05:31. > :05:34.George Osborne's approach. The way she has taken charge of this

:05:35. > :05:38.government. She has put in Philip Hammond. He wants to be the

:05:39. > :05:43.chancellor, not Prime Minister. He won challenge Theresa May on major

:05:44. > :05:47.economic questions. There is one slight flaw but I bow to your

:05:48. > :05:50.knowledge of the intricacies of the Tory party -- won't. There is a

:05:51. > :05:55.history of chancellors wanting to become Prime Minister. Philip

:05:56. > :06:02.Hammond and his rather low... His rather low-key approach. Who knows

:06:03. > :06:06.if he is a threat? Andrea Leadsom... I know him very well. He will be a

:06:07. > :06:12.great chancellor and he is not a threat at all. The Daily Express

:06:13. > :06:20.front page and you have to Mac Brexiteers, Boris Johnson and David

:06:21. > :06:24.Davis. Who will lead negotiations? Some rumours will be Boris Johnson

:06:25. > :06:30.won't be allowed to go to Brussels. You can't have a department in

:06:31. > :06:35.charge of Brexit without making it very clear the Foreign Office is not

:06:36. > :06:39.in charge of that. David Davis, he has given a great deal of thought to

:06:40. > :06:43.it, it binds Boris Johnson, after leading a campaign that got 70.5

:06:44. > :06:48.million votes, but he will go out and she rocked the world, he will go

:06:49. > :06:54.to America, China and India, David Davis will do the job of the Brexit.

:06:55. > :07:00.According to the Foreign Secretary, this is a politician who has

:07:01. > :07:08.insulted Barack Obama, Clinton, the Turks, the Germans, Africans, the

:07:09. > :07:11.Kurds and Liverpool. He has had to make apologies about all of these

:07:12. > :07:16.things. It is a curious piece of diplomacy. You could read it in a

:07:17. > :07:23.different way, the new drink of the Foreign Office. Negotiations will be

:07:24. > :07:28.carried out by David Davis in terms of that and so forth -- neutering.

:07:29. > :07:36.And secondly, with Liam Fox, another one brought back from the wilderness

:07:37. > :07:40.to lead the trade deals that people like him say we will sign with China

:07:41. > :07:45.and America. We are rather ratty back of the queue with America. With

:07:46. > :07:50.a lot of things from the Remain came before June 23 that had been

:07:51. > :07:54.retracted... What is significant is, don't underestimate just how bright

:07:55. > :08:00.Boris Johnson is. He is the first Foreign Secretary who is fluent in

:08:01. > :08:04.multiple languages. He was mayor of London. Very successfully went round

:08:05. > :08:07.and did trade deals for London in various parts of the world. I think

:08:08. > :08:14.he will surprise people how good he will be. He is also in charge of

:08:15. > :08:19.MI6. Yes, absolutely. The point is, as the Mayor of London he was in

:08:20. > :08:23.charge of the Met Police. You are saying he won't be in charge of

:08:24. > :08:28.Brussels. There is a European foreign council meeting, so he will

:08:29. > :08:31.be in Brussels. It will be clear what the agenda is. If it will cover

:08:32. > :08:38.Brexit it will make sense for David Davis to be there. (CROSSTALK). It

:08:39. > :08:43.isn't clear. It depends on the agenda. If it is primarily on Brexit

:08:44. > :08:48.it will be David Davis. If it is Ukraine or the Middle East, it will

:08:49. > :08:51.be Boris. Look at the initial reactions, people are completely

:08:52. > :08:56.aghast. Consistency from Boris Johnson... Ten days ago he set

:08:57. > :09:01.Andrea Leadsom was the only person with the determination to become the

:09:02. > :09:04.next Prime Minister. What Paul can't cope with is that the Labour Party

:09:05. > :09:09.is tearing itself to shreds and cannot even unite over the rules of

:09:10. > :09:12.the contest. The Tory party is clearly coming together very

:09:13. > :09:15.powerfully and I think Theresa May has had a very good reshuffle

:09:16. > :09:19.because the Tory party is more united than it has been in half a

:09:20. > :09:24.century. Let me look at the second page in The Express. It has the big

:09:25. > :09:30.appointments. There is only one woman. There is the Prime Minister!

:09:31. > :09:36.A LAUGHTER. This is very... (CROSSTALK). This is

:09:37. > :09:39.very, very curious, because the briefings last night leading to

:09:40. > :09:42.front-page headlines this morning was she would rebalance... Tony

:09:43. > :09:47.Blair had eight women in his cabinet. David Cameron had seven at

:09:48. > :09:51.one time. We have had six announcements today and one person,

:09:52. > :09:55.Amber Rudd. We do have tomorrow. There will be a lot of

:09:56. > :10:01.announcements. The top jobs... One of the top jobs. I know that we have

:10:02. > :10:05.all been through the Blair era, the Brown era, the camera nearer, this

:10:06. > :10:10.year is a Prime Minister who so far has kept her word on everything --

:10:11. > :10:14.Cameron era. She said she would have a team to deliver Brexit, she has

:10:15. > :10:17.kept her word on appointing a chancellor who can dramatically

:10:18. > :10:20.change economic policy, she has restructured the business department

:10:21. > :10:23.in a way that will make it much easier to have an intervention

:10:24. > :10:26.strategy, if she says she will have more women, by the time she has

:10:27. > :10:30.finished composing her cabinet she will have many more women.

:10:31. > :10:37.Where are these women going to go? There's health, education,

:10:38. > :10:42.transport, important departments were several will be led by women I

:10:43. > :10:49.suspect. The front of the Mirror, fairly self-explanatory. Echoes what

:10:50. > :10:55.Paul has been saying. You are the Daily Mirror guy, now, Paul. It is

:10:56. > :11:02.this idea of Boris Johnson being it wired around the world. It was the

:11:03. > :11:09.Olympics, a huge success. -- zip wired. But he is a good salesman,

:11:10. > :11:13.isn't he? He did very well at selling the London Olympics. If he

:11:14. > :11:18.has to sell Brexit Britain, is he a good man to do that? Let's see how

:11:19. > :11:25.the other nations, the EU nations, the Americans and Chinese react. So

:11:26. > :11:29.far his diplomatic tours have ended slightly disastrously. Think about

:11:30. > :11:33.how he had to cut short his trip to Palestine and scuttle out to

:11:34. > :11:40.Kurdistan over some trouble about an unpaid bar bill. Let's hope this

:11:41. > :11:45.doesn't happen. He will have to show some character in this role, more

:11:46. > :11:49.serious. Exactly. People said he couldn't be London mayor but he was

:11:50. > :11:53.extremely successful for eight years and one thing that was decided in

:11:54. > :11:56.the referendum was we needed to organise our politics around what is

:11:57. > :12:01.best for us not what other countries think is best. He might bring a bit

:12:02. > :12:06.of fun to the Cabinet table because they are all quite serious people,

:12:07. > :12:12.Teresa made. Philip Hammond is not a rip tickler, it has to be said,

:12:13. > :12:15.Boris will bring some fun. Theresa May has already proved she has a

:12:16. > :12:23.wonderful sense of humour by doing this Cabinet! The FT, it's quite

:12:24. > :12:28.interesting, it does call them Philip Hammond, Tim's friend, a

:12:29. > :12:33.fiscal hawk, which is quite interesting. She also talks about...

:12:34. > :12:37.They come back to this David Miliband point, saying her speech in

:12:38. > :12:42.Downing Street contained things that bore an uncanny resemblance to those

:12:43. > :12:46.championed by Ed Miliband. The difference between George Osborne

:12:47. > :12:52.and Philip Hammond are really marked. That was humiliating for

:12:53. > :12:56.Osborne, longtime bookies favourite and others favour to be the next

:12:57. > :13:00.Prime Minister. He had to come in by the backdoor and he left by the

:13:01. > :13:05.backdoor. There's a really plaintive tweet tonight saying I will leave it

:13:06. > :13:09.to others to judge whether I left the economy in a better shape than I

:13:10. > :13:14.inherited it, and extraordinary exit from somebody so prominent for so

:13:15. > :13:21.long. I hope was ticked up on Twitter tonight. Lots of people

:13:22. > :13:27.talking about that. Talking about Hammond, the fiscal hawk, how does

:13:28. > :13:30.that square with Theresa May's plan for austerity? The important thing

:13:31. > :13:36.about Philip is he is a loyalist, he will do what he is told, he won't be

:13:37. > :13:40.like Gordon Brown or George Osborne, trying to be a Deputy Prime

:13:41. > :13:43.Minister. The Treasury will have a lot less power, that's important,

:13:44. > :13:46.it's a different style of government, the Treasury will be

:13:47. > :13:50.back in its box and the kind of Treasury we had 30 or 40 years ago.

:13:51. > :13:55.He will be good on the detail and the numbers. And is a very

:13:56. > :14:00.successful shadow chief secretary he was responsible for lots of economic

:14:01. > :14:07.thinking prior to the election in 2010 for the Tory party. Teresa May

:14:08. > :14:12.has committed to abandoning the deficit target from George Osborne

:14:13. > :14:17.by 2020, Philip will deliver. He won't be in charge of these new

:14:18. > :14:21.international trade deals? That will be Liam Fox. Extraordinary power to

:14:22. > :14:24.Liam Fox. And extraordinary opportunity because it's important

:14:25. > :14:28.to recognise there are countries around the world that have expressed

:14:29. > :14:33.interest in bilateral trade agreements with the UK, China,

:14:34. > :14:37.India, Australia, the US, the UAE, many interested in doing that.

:14:38. > :14:41.Bilateral trade agreements can be done within a year or two, South

:14:42. > :14:46.Korea, Iceland and Norway have done that. We could be in a position in a

:14:47. > :14:50.few years where we have free trade agreements with 2.5 billion people,

:14:51. > :14:56.which puts into context the question of our relationship with the EU.

:14:57. > :14:59.You're saying we will negotiate with the EU but back load the

:15:00. > :15:05.negotiations so when we get to the final sign of we can say you're not

:15:06. > :15:10.as important as you thought. One of the problems with being in the EU is

:15:11. > :15:15.you can't negotiate your own trade deals, we don't get that back until

:15:16. > :15:18.we exit but we can put the negotiations in place so that when

:15:19. > :15:21.we exit we can do the deals with the other countries and turnaround to

:15:22. > :15:25.the EU, if they want to be difficult, which I hope and believe

:15:26. > :15:29.they won't be, turn around and say unlike the rest of you we do most of

:15:30. > :15:33.our trade already with the rest of the world, not with the rest of

:15:34. > :15:37.Europe, and we have done these deals, don't assume all the

:15:38. > :15:44.negotiating power is with you. Tim can see the way to the sunny

:15:45. > :15:48.uplands, pie in the sky perhaps, but the Bank of England, the IMF, the

:15:49. > :15:54.World Bank, the IMF, most economists, let's see what happens.

:15:55. > :15:59.It's a very rosy picture. The key thing for Liam Fox and the Brexit

:16:00. > :16:08.team is they won't talk to us until article he is activated. Exactly.

:16:09. > :16:11.That seems to have been missed --. Is there still disagreement on

:16:12. > :16:16.whether Article 50 needs to be activated? -- Article 50. Tim has

:16:17. > :16:21.gone through the gears very quickly, he thinks we can do exit in about

:16:22. > :16:27.6.5 seconds. We can't do that, Philip Hammond send yesterday we

:16:28. > :16:31.could take six years. -- said. He was talking about ratification of

:16:32. > :16:35.other EU member states on the final terms of Brexit. That's precisely

:16:36. > :16:39.the point. Every free trade agreement we want to do with every

:16:40. > :16:44.country outside the EU, as long as we are inside it, need the agreement

:16:45. > :16:48.from 27 other countries. That's why out of our ten largest export

:16:49. > :16:52.markets outside the EU only inside the EU do we have access to two free

:16:53. > :17:01.trade agreements, we can get through the other a very quickly once we are

:17:02. > :17:03.have been saying, this is a very have been saying, this is a very

:17:04. > :17:08.different direction for the government domesticly at least.

:17:09. > :17:13.Absolutely. She is somebody who is very clearly not intending just to

:17:14. > :17:17.be a legacy Prime Minister or a caretaker Prime Minister or someone

:17:18. > :17:20.who is just there to carry on on autopilot what she inherited from

:17:21. > :17:24.David Cameron, she is serious about changing the direction of policy on

:17:25. > :17:28.a whole range of issues and that's why the reshuffle is so exciting

:17:29. > :17:32.because she is creating the space within her party and beyond her

:17:33. > :17:36.party to do that. Some of the new departments she will set up tomorrow

:17:37. > :17:40.and the appointments will indicate she is serious, this isn't just

:17:41. > :17:44.rhetoric what she talked about on the doorstep, she will do some very

:17:45. > :17:48.radically different things. The Times comes to something we haven't

:17:49. > :17:56.talked about before, there's one third of the day we haven't talked

:17:57. > :18:01.about, David Cameron's Commons exit, he was hugely amusing, he set out

:18:02. > :18:06.his list of achievements, cutting the deficit, more jobs, better

:18:07. > :18:10.schools, protecting the NHS, but he didn't tackle one thing. We've left

:18:11. > :18:15.the EU by mistake as far as he's concerned and this is a mess. I will

:18:16. > :18:22.come to Brexit because the Metro has it on the front but to finish on

:18:23. > :18:26.Theresa May, a vicar's daughter, a former banker, not a PR spin like

:18:27. > :18:32.David Cameron and the others, she's a serious thinker. -- spinner. You

:18:33. > :18:37.can be reassured the old Bullingdon ways are out of the door? That was

:18:38. > :18:41.one target for her, when she kept on about the wealthy and privileged,

:18:42. > :18:45.when she turns it on her head and talked about the discriminated and

:18:46. > :18:49.disadvantaged, it's a clear sign and that's a breakup. Then enter Boris

:18:50. > :18:54.Johnson and we will see what happens with the others tomorrow. We talk

:18:55. > :18:59.about... Paul mentioned what Mrs Thatcher said when she first became

:19:00. > :19:04.Prime Minister, I don't think Tony Blair or David Cameron or Gordon

:19:05. > :19:07.Brown did what she did today, talk about the experience of a black or

:19:08. > :19:12.working class person, somebody who is from one of the most deprived

:19:13. > :19:15.areas in the country. That's a really different approach and if she

:19:16. > :19:19.is serious, and I think she is, about tackling those issues, that

:19:20. > :19:24.could mean different policies from what we have ever seen. You could

:19:25. > :19:29.say tough on the causes of Brexit. Let's move on to the Metro, the

:19:30. > :19:33.family picture, it's all about legacy for David Cameron today. I

:19:34. > :19:38.will give you the first shot at this, Paul, what will the legacy be?

:19:39. > :19:42.What will the legacy be? He came in with the "Big Society" vision, we

:19:43. > :19:47.haven't heard much from "Big Society". He came in with an agenda

:19:48. > :19:51.which was encompassing and quite green, then they transferred through

:19:52. > :19:56.the journey from a green consciousness into green rubbish as

:19:57. > :20:02.it were. There was a journey here. We saw that other side of him in the

:20:03. > :20:06.Commons today where he was generous. He was witty and amusing. Clearly a

:20:07. > :20:13.plastic lid lucrative time for him on the after-dinner speaking circuit

:20:14. > :20:17.should he want -- fantastically. The things that he saw as his legacy,

:20:18. > :20:21.and he outlined seven or eight of them, we talked about stronger

:20:22. > :20:27.defence and schools and NHS and so forth, seemed to me to be dwarfed

:20:28. > :20:30.by... We're in a mess now. George Osborne hasn't left a note for

:20:31. > :20:34.Philip Hammond saying the money is all spent but he may have is well

:20:35. > :20:42.have. The Telegraph picks up on that quote, I was the future once, once

:20:43. > :20:46.said of Tony Blair. How will people look back on David Cameron? It's

:20:47. > :20:51.very poignant because when he said that to Tony Blair, that was the end

:20:52. > :20:55.of 2005 and its remarkable his entire political career from the

:20:56. > :20:59.moment he became Leader of the Opposition to exiting as Prime

:21:00. > :21:04.Minister is in ten years. Careers in politics in Britain these days are

:21:05. > :21:08.much faster. On the "Big Society", he was very proud with what he did

:21:09. > :21:15.on national citizenship. On the greens staff, the amount of energy

:21:16. > :21:21.generated by renewables has tripled, not insignificant achievement is. He

:21:22. > :21:25.inherited a fundamentally broken economy -- achievements. The

:21:26. > :21:29.challenge is a lot of people felt left behind and to end on a note

:21:30. > :21:33.that I agree with my friend, that was a big factor in the Leave vote

:21:34. > :21:38.that so many people felt they needed to kick the elite because the elite

:21:39. > :21:42.didn't listen to them. I want to go to the cartoon here. That's not the

:21:43. > :21:51.pound, says this character looking at the graph. That is Boris

:21:52. > :21:55.Johnson's career. Plunged downwards. It has soared tonight. Very amusing

:21:56. > :22:01.but one paragraph on the front of the Telegraph which is hugely

:22:02. > :22:06.significant, economy slows as the Leave effect takes hold. And so

:22:07. > :22:10.begins. Underneath some of the positive notes we have heard from

:22:11. > :22:14.the FTSE and the pound recovering... Quantitative easing could start

:22:15. > :22:19.tomorrow, a cut in interest rates. All your viewers do what I have done

:22:20. > :22:22.since June the 24th, get up, scan the sky and see whether the

:22:23. > :22:27.Luftwaffe have started bombing, I don't think it has yet. All this

:22:28. > :22:31.alarmism. We will be much better off. How could you have anyone in

:22:32. > :22:36.government trying to sell the strength of the UK around the world

:22:37. > :22:39.who had said it would be a calamity? The reality is it won't be, we will

:22:40. > :22:44.get through and be stronger as a result. We will leave it there. More

:22:45. > :22:49.to come tomorrow, more appointments and we will talk about it then. Jim

:22:50. > :22:53.and Paul, thank you for your company. That's it for the Papers.

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