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:00:00. > :00:00.me recently, because I'm sure it will be in the back of their minds,

:00:00. > :00:15.as well. That is all the sport. Hello and welcome to our Sunday

:00:16. > :00:18.morning edition of The Papers. With me are columnist and author

:00:19. > :00:20.Yasmin Alibhai-Brown A dramatic picture on the front

:00:21. > :00:27.of the Sunday Times - Turkey anti-coup protesters

:00:28. > :00:30.seize control of a tank - as the government there

:00:31. > :00:33.reasserts its authority. An image of dozens of

:00:34. > :00:38.soldiers surrendering is on the front of the Telegraph -

:00:39. > :00:41.the paper reports almost 3,000 troops have been arrested in a drive

:00:42. > :00:49.for revenge by President Erdogan. The Observer calls

:00:50. > :00:51.it a "brutal purge" It reports around 2,700

:00:52. > :00:55.judges have been dismissed warning from the new so-called

:00:56. > :01:02."Brexit secretary" David Davis - that new EU migrants could be sent

:01:03. > :01:07.home to avoid an immigration surge. The new Foreign Secretary

:01:08. > :01:09.Boris Johnson is the lead for the Sunday Express -

:01:10. > :01:12."we're ready to go global", is the headline - as he says Britain

:01:13. > :01:15.has the opportunity to be more active on the world

:01:16. > :01:17.stage than ever before. And the Mirror leads

:01:18. > :01:19.with the Nice attack - it has a picture of the alleged

:01:20. > :01:25.killer of the 84 people who died - and reports that he told

:01:26. > :01:36.family he was happy, Turks crushed coup, that you Matic

:01:37. > :01:44.on the front of the Sunday Times. And the Sunday Telegraph, revenge on

:01:45. > :01:57.the plotters, 2700 judges facing arrest. Such a terrible thing. --

:01:58. > :02:01.Turks crushed coup on the front page of the Sunday Times. A part of me

:02:02. > :02:08.really wanted it work. I think current regime is appalling. More

:02:09. > :02:14.journalists are imprisoned in Turkey than in any other nation on earth.

:02:15. > :02:21.Behind-the-scenes this man is a megalomaniac and about as ruthless

:02:22. > :02:25.as Gaddafi. But he does it under the veneer of his particular brand of

:02:26. > :02:30.democracy. You must never wish for a coup because of what happened in

:02:31. > :02:35.Egypt. And part of me is so ashamed of being Muslim at the moment. There

:02:36. > :02:41.is not a single Muslim nation now on our planet, Turkey was the one big

:02:42. > :02:49.hope, and what is going to happen now is it will show the true

:02:50. > :02:53.colours. Awful situation. One could say, Turkey, economically, had this

:02:54. > :02:58.incredible boom at the start of President Ida Gann's rain. He

:02:59. > :03:04.stabilised things and made it clear that the army was out of politics,

:03:05. > :03:07.which it appears to be. -- president Erdogan. But there is this crackdown

:03:08. > :03:13.on Civil Liberties, journalists being arrested. The irony is what is

:03:14. > :03:19.happening after this coup is he will be more anti-democratic. Arresting

:03:20. > :03:25.soldiers. Arresting journalists. Extraordinary. I am afraid this

:03:26. > :03:30.coup, which looked amateurish to me, what were they trying to do? It was

:03:31. > :03:35.bizarre! They didn't have all of the army behind them, what was the game?

:03:36. > :03:40.This amateurish coup has become counter-productive and made it a lot

:03:41. > :03:44.worse. My reaction, when I started to hear about this, it was Friday

:03:45. > :03:50.night, wasn't it? I was dismayed. As much as I dislike Erdogan. I just

:03:51. > :03:55.thought, please, no more stability in this region, when you store have

:03:56. > :03:59.the Syrian civil War completely resolved. The Hauritz there. And

:04:00. > :04:03.still the horrors of the refugee crisis. Completely unresolved. --

:04:04. > :04:11.the Syrian war completely unresolved. As far as the European

:04:12. > :04:15.Union is concerned, that is a very big concern. And I am sure later,

:04:16. > :04:21.the US. All of them didn't want this to happen. But I have to kind of say

:04:22. > :04:27.that Turkey, like the UK, like the US, is one of those nations

:04:28. > :04:32.absolutely divided. Absolutely, between the secularists and those

:04:33. > :04:38.who follow the Islamic politics of that nation. This is what is

:04:39. > :04:42.happening in the world at the moment. Nations which found a way of

:04:43. > :04:49.kind of holding it together, you are finding these deep ravine is opening

:04:50. > :04:53.up. France, as well, which we might get onto. -- ravines. A Turkish

:04:54. > :04:57.friend of mine said to media 's ago the army in Turkey is a bit like

:04:58. > :05:01.your father coming in when you make a mistake and tries to put things

:05:02. > :05:09.right, and you never grow up if that keeps happening. -- said to me a

:05:10. > :05:13.while ago. I think the trouble was, it didn't seem to be all of the

:05:14. > :05:16.Armed Forces, it just seemed that some of them stayed loyal to the

:05:17. > :05:24.president. What hope is there of any change? Look at what the Army has

:05:25. > :05:29.done in Egypt, for example. When the elections happen in Turkey,

:05:30. > :05:37.increasingly the state uses every means necessary to ensure that it is

:05:38. > :05:40.victorious. A nasty person, but perhaps the least worst option for

:05:41. > :05:49.Turkey, who knows? Let's go to another coup. The labour Civil War

:05:50. > :05:53.in the Observer. They talk about Aaron Smith running. It is amazing

:05:54. > :06:01.how money unity candidates you can get while the party is so divided.

:06:02. > :06:08.-- Owan Smith. And we have a similar story in The Mail on Sunday. Page

:06:09. > :06:13.13. Is it the Kinnock and Paddy party? They are suggesting a

:06:14. > :06:18.realignment of the centre-left. Plotting breakaway if Jeremy Corbyn

:06:19. > :06:25.clings onto power, these 150 Labour MPs. A picture of Kinnock here, and

:06:26. > :06:31.Paddy Ashdown on the right. What do you make of this? It is ironic that

:06:32. > :06:35.the two unity candidates are falling out. In other words, Smith, who was

:06:36. > :06:40.launching today, he was going to do it on Friday but then there was the

:06:41. > :06:45.niece tragedy. Against Angela Eagle. According to one of the people in

:06:46. > :06:52.Smith's camp, they just want candidate to stand up against Jeremy

:06:53. > :06:56.Corbyn. -- Nice tragedy. But it turns to this idea of having a

:06:57. > :07:01.breakaway party, if Corbin stays as the leader of the Labour Party I

:07:02. > :07:06.think it will split the party. -- Jeremy Corbyn. But as John Mills

:07:07. > :07:10.says, and he is one of the Labour Party donors, splitting the party

:07:11. > :07:14.would be a disaster under first past the post because it would make it

:07:15. > :07:17.even harder for them to win. So if they do go along with the Kinnock

:07:18. > :07:21.and Paddy party it would be more unlikely they will stay out of

:07:22. > :07:32.power. Are they a split party? They are. People look back at the SDP and

:07:33. > :07:37.talk it down. But there is no other party that those people who are on

:07:38. > :07:41.the centre, who worked for Remain, who have shared views, and Paddy

:07:42. > :07:44.Ashdown is not Labour, let's remember, but there are many Tories

:07:45. > :07:50.who feel disgruntled. Maybe it is time. Maybe for ten years it will

:07:51. > :07:54.get nowhere. But, certainly, we have no proper centre party in this

:07:55. > :07:57.country. You have never been a friend of the Conservative Party

:07:58. > :08:02.exactly, but do you think they settle their scores much better and

:08:03. > :08:07.in the country's interests much better than other parties? They move

:08:08. > :08:11.on. It was pretty ropey for some time. Remember when we had the

:08:12. > :08:18.dramas. I was thinking about this week. This week they sorted it. I'm

:08:19. > :08:24.glad they did for the national Grid. I think the Conservative Party has

:08:25. > :08:29.come together. -- national good. The cabinet is miraculous. I don't know,

:08:30. > :08:35.there are some angry people. Iain Duncan Smith. His face looks like it

:08:36. > :08:40.is going to burst. The party has come together to refit two. Theresa

:08:41. > :08:46.May's cabinet I think is masterful in its balancing of the Brexit

:08:47. > :08:54.candidates. -- has come together fantastically. Amber Rudd and the

:08:55. > :09:02.various others, as well, are in there. A sensible way to move ahead.

:09:03. > :09:06.I think it has been masterful. I don't think with Boris Johnson and

:09:07. > :09:12.Liam Fox back in it would be called masterful, but you are right, they

:09:13. > :09:24.come together. They come together. Minister for Brexit. One of them

:09:25. > :09:29.David Davis. We will send EU migrants -- we will send EU migrant

:09:30. > :09:33.surge. People hoping to get the right to remain in some kind of

:09:34. > :09:41.surge... I don't think he said it like this. The newspapers are...

:09:42. > :09:50.Writing it up? Writing it up. In some ways he sounded quite

:09:51. > :09:53.considerate -- quite consolatory. We have many of our citizens living in

:09:54. > :09:58.Europe. They want to know if there will be this enormous exchange of

:09:59. > :10:03.people. We have seen it in previous point in history. He is saying that

:10:04. > :10:06.won't happen. And he mildly said if there was a surge of entry into the

:10:07. > :10:11.UK then they will have to have a look at the new arrivals. But they

:10:12. > :10:18.cannot stop it. We are still in the EU, remember, we are in until... As

:10:19. > :10:21.an economist, the pull factor is if the economy is doing well, if there

:10:22. > :10:24.is uncertainty about the economy, people are less likely to come.

:10:25. > :10:31.That's right. I think these are warning shots. Perhaps migration, if

:10:32. > :10:34.the economy is going to start falling apart, as all of these

:10:35. > :10:41.dreadful campaigners said so before the referendum, we won't be having

:10:42. > :10:48.them. I was a Brexiter con and I thought people would still come in,

:10:49. > :10:53.and that will be good. -- I was a Brexiter, and I thought. I voted for

:10:54. > :11:01.independence and democracy. Democracy, my dear. We have two

:11:02. > :11:10.undemocratic institutions in this country. Who are they? The Royal

:11:11. > :11:14.family is one. We are on the way. We are not, we are not, we are not.

:11:15. > :11:23.Perhaps we are on our way to a republic. Perhaps she did not say

:11:24. > :11:28.that. This is the Telegraph. Brexit trade deals with the US and

:11:29. > :11:32.Australia. To be fair, there not any, actually, with the US and

:11:33. > :11:36.Australia. This is about how we might have them. This is the

:11:37. > :11:40.optimistic case people for Brexit. This was one of the reasons for

:11:41. > :11:43.leaving the EU. When Barack Obama came here he said we would be at the

:11:44. > :11:48.back of the Cuba trade deals. The laughable thing was at that time

:11:49. > :11:57.they were only negotiating one trade deal. -- back of the queue for trade

:11:58. > :12:01.deals. Now we will be back at the front. Australia, they have said,

:12:02. > :12:05.come on, let's have a trade deal. And the Canadian Trade Minister

:12:06. > :12:09.said, there is no use going through the EU, we could just continue with

:12:10. > :12:13.the UK. That would be all right and we could take benefit of that. This

:12:14. > :12:19.is excellent news and exactly what we want to see. And it is in Liam

:12:20. > :12:23.Fox's territory because he is the international trade Secretary. It is

:12:24. > :12:30.fantasy at the moment. It isn't. It is going to happen. Will we be at

:12:31. > :12:37.the front of the queue with the US? Yes. ?10, I put it on the table.

:12:38. > :12:44.Fine. That is a double bet. It is already happening. Well, if I lose,

:12:45. > :12:53.I don't care. Nothing about Donald Trump's choice of Vice President in

:12:54. > :13:00.any of the papers. Express says, we will send the EU surge back. We have

:13:01. > :13:06.done that one. What is next? We are going global. Yes, we are ready to

:13:07. > :13:14.go global, which is pretty much the same kind of story. It is a bit. The

:13:15. > :13:20.Sunday Mirror has got this... This story, everything is normal, the

:13:21. > :13:26.last words of the Bastille killer. He has had psychological treatment

:13:27. > :13:31.for years. Then this attack, it has been claimed by IS, and yet this

:13:32. > :13:36.person seems to be in a very disturbed way, a very odd

:13:37. > :13:43.individual. Yes. We have lots of things happening. Some properly

:13:44. > :13:46.organised. Isis inspired, or inspired by other terror group

:13:47. > :13:54.attacks. Then you have these lone wolves who are obviously having lots

:13:55. > :13:59.of psychodramas in their heads. They are kind of reaching out to these

:14:00. > :14:03.calls that are periodically made by Isis and so one. He never went a

:14:04. > :14:09.mosque. He was not part of any network as far as we know. -- went

:14:10. > :14:15.to mosque. The same with the Orlando chap. There was a lot going on in

:14:16. > :14:19.his head. That was the attack on the nightclub. Then we have this

:14:20. > :14:24.call-out, doing this spectacular thing. I think we should be looking

:14:25. > :14:30.at both. The planning and also the psychological profiles of some of

:14:31. > :14:34.these men. That is the difficult bit, isn't it? Very few people are

:14:35. > :14:39.involved in the terrorist networks. But there are many people who, for

:14:40. > :14:43.various reasons, have mental health problems, but very few do something

:14:44. > :14:47.like this. The problem is you cannot legislate against this type of

:14:48. > :14:50.personality. The French state will have to be mortgage and about

:14:51. > :14:58.various problems. He was driving this big van. He took it into this

:14:59. > :15:03.territory and then drove it off. You have to question why it was allowed

:15:04. > :15:06.to do that under the circumstances. It was interesting that Francois

:15:07. > :15:11.Hollande was about to lift the state of emergency which had been imposed

:15:12. > :15:15.after the shooting at the Bataclan. He will have to reimpose it. This is

:15:16. > :15:19.another horror story for France which tells them they are a long way

:15:20. > :15:24.from resolving these problems with terrorism in the country. It is a

:15:25. > :15:29.serious problem. I see more similarities between this guy and

:15:30. > :15:36.the guy in Norway. And sprayed it -- and aspiring

:15:37. > :15:43.the family knew that he was volatile. He was vile. To seek

:15:44. > :15:47.help... Maybe the Muslim families come in Europe especially, need to

:15:48. > :15:53.be watching out for signs of psychological disturbance in their

:15:54. > :15:58.children. Very few of them do that. There is so much grim news, I wanted

:15:59. > :16:02.to end up with some slightly positive. Book shelves hit back with

:16:03. > :16:06.kids classes and cocktails. A spate of openings as owners offer more

:16:07. > :16:12.than just a store. We see a lot of book shops close. And now invented

:16:13. > :16:17.book shops, including one I know very well, are doing things to get

:16:18. > :16:21.people in. It is great news. You want to break the power of the big,

:16:22. > :16:26.big... I mean, we have stopped ordering from Amazon. We have

:16:27. > :16:31.stopped because of some of the things that were happening in their

:16:32. > :16:35.company. But we are stuck. We have to find that particular book shop.

:16:36. > :16:40.We have some good independent ones in London. This is good news.

:16:41. > :16:44.Bringing children back to books, as well, which I think is really

:16:45. > :16:49.important. They are living in such an Internet obsessed world. It makes

:16:50. > :16:53.it an event. What is interesting is the decline of the book shop, which

:16:54. > :16:58.we have seen, has run in parallel with the rise of the literary

:16:59. > :17:01.Festival. People do not get literary books, but they are going to buy

:17:02. > :17:06.books, meet authors they like, and that is interesting and it turns it

:17:07. > :17:10.into an event. I wonder if people are fed up with technology. I know

:17:11. > :17:13.you said you don't buy things from Amazon, presumably from its

:17:14. > :17:16.corporation tax issue, but putting that aside I wonder if people are

:17:17. > :17:21.fed up with dealing with bits of technology and they want something

:17:22. > :17:24.physical. Some of these books are works of art. I just think of these

:17:25. > :17:29.children's books, beautifully illustrated. A book gives you so

:17:30. > :17:40.much more than just a bit of technology. There is no point

:17:41. > :17:44.getting the Gruffalo on Kendall, you want to show them the pictures. But

:17:45. > :17:51.I just wonder, is there any human activity possible now without a

:17:52. > :17:53.coffee? We might find the coughing becomes more expensive because of

:17:54. > :17:57.the drop of the pound. Is this one in Edinburgh, they don't do

:17:58. > :18:02.cocktails but they will put the kettle on and make you a cup of tea.

:18:03. > :18:13.She will grow you a cup of tea if you would like one -- grew. -- brew

:18:14. > :18:14.you a cup of tea. And a biscuit, hopefully.

:18:15. > :18:17.Thanks to Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and Ruth Lea.

:18:18. > :18:21.Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrows front pages