:00:00. > :00:15.Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.
:00:16. > :00:17.With me are the Political Commentator Vincent Moss
:00:18. > :00:21.and Ian Birrell who's a contributing editor at the Mail on Sunday.
:00:22. > :00:28.The Sunday Telegraph interviews the former
:00:29. > :00:30.Prime Minister Tony Blair, who says inquiries into alleged
:00:31. > :00:32.abuses by British troops should never have been ordered.
:00:33. > :00:35.David Cameron's former spin doctor is quoted in the Mail on Sunday,
:00:36. > :00:45.where he reveals divisions sprang up between Cameron and Theresa May
:00:46. > :00:52.in the Sunday Times that divisions in the Labour party
:00:53. > :00:55.The Sunday Express says the detective who brought double
:00:56. > :00:57.murderer Christopher Halliwell to justice believes he may also
:00:58. > :00:59.have killed the missing chef Claudia Lawrence.
:01:00. > :01:02.And the Sun reports that Zoe Ball and Norman Cook are separating
:01:03. > :01:05.Jeremy Corbyn's victory is the Observer's lead.
:01:06. > :01:07.It says Labour's leader intends to give more power
:01:08. > :01:21.Let's look at that story first. More power to the members, not the
:01:22. > :01:27.members of Parliament but the members of the party. This is his
:01:28. > :01:29.dilemma. A huge victory. MPs have strategically blundered over this
:01:30. > :01:36.but how is he going to communicate with the rest of the people who are
:01:37. > :01:39.not members of the Labour Party? That is a big challenge. What the
:01:40. > :01:44.Observer is talking about is trying to win back the PLP, get them back
:01:45. > :01:48.on board. They seem to be insisting on wanting Shadow Cabinet elections.
:01:49. > :01:51.Jeremy Corbyn and his allies realised they could lose a lot of
:01:52. > :01:55.the power within the centre of the party if that happens. Talk about
:01:56. > :02:00.giving the power to the members, he is talking about giving the people
:02:01. > :02:06.who voted for him a chance to have a say in Shadow Cabinet elections. All
:02:07. > :02:09.those people who quit Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow cabinets, who helped
:02:10. > :02:13.him run the show, will they come back and support and work with them?
:02:14. > :02:19.The big thing you will see today at the Labour conference, is that very
:02:20. > :02:23.few big hitters have yet said that they are prepared to go back and
:02:24. > :02:29.work with them. That is very significant. Looking out at the
:02:30. > :02:35.other way, they have suffered a huge reverse occurs they look weak and on
:02:36. > :02:38.the wrong side of party history. They're in a weaker position now
:02:39. > :02:42.than they were before hands. They have not just failed but fails
:02:43. > :02:46.badly. Some of them will crawl back into the shadow cabinets, others
:02:47. > :02:49.won't. None of the issues have been resolved. The only difference is
:02:50. > :02:56.that Jeremy Corbyn is in a slightly stronger position than he was before
:02:57. > :03:00.the coup. Now I think they're... Jeremy Corbyn will go on and MPs
:03:01. > :03:06.have to make a decision to stick with this, split, joint and unify
:03:07. > :03:11.behind the party and realise that the party has changed. You never
:03:12. > :03:14.hear any adjusting policies coming from the mainstream labour movement.
:03:15. > :03:17.For all their talk of wanted to control the party and talk of the
:03:18. > :03:21.centre ground, which is obviously correct because you win elections in
:03:22. > :03:25.the centre, it's hard to think of any adjusting policies coming out of
:03:26. > :03:30.these whingeing Labour MPs. On that point, whingeing MPs or otherwise,
:03:31. > :03:36.also in the Observer, John McDonnell, Shadow Chancellor, claims
:03:37. > :03:40.Labour's summer of vitriol is behind it. The party must be said for a
:03:41. > :03:43.snap election. We are supposed to have a fixed term parliaments, but
:03:44. > :03:47.you could see a scenario where Theresa May says she needs the
:03:48. > :03:51.support of the country, because she has never been elected as Prime
:03:52. > :03:54.Minister through a national mandate. Exit of the biggest decision of our
:03:55. > :03:58.lifetimes, maybe she have to go to the country next year because there
:03:59. > :04:03.are my Brexit plans and please endorse them. McDonald might be
:04:04. > :04:10.right. There is always a possibility but with MPs, you have for years job
:04:11. > :04:13.security until 2020. You won't see many MPs endorsing snap elections.
:04:14. > :04:17.You will see that pressure in a media and certain Labour characters
:04:18. > :04:20.talking about that, because there is a theory that if you want to get rid
:04:21. > :04:24.of Jeremy Corbyn you do that quickest through a snap election,
:04:25. > :04:28.which means that if Labour loses, he would presumably have a new leader.
:04:29. > :04:31.John McDonnell also recognises that people are talking about these
:04:32. > :04:35.things and they has to get ahead of it. I take some issue with what he
:04:36. > :04:38.said about the backbenchers in the Labour Party. A lot of those have
:04:39. > :04:46.done very good work on things like immigration. Yvette Cooper. I think
:04:47. > :04:50.you are right about what you say about the policy vacuum. Normally
:04:51. > :04:53.there would be a grid of stories for any party conference but this is all
:04:54. > :04:57.about process and power in the Labour Party. Corbyn and John
:04:58. > :05:02.McDonnell have little to say about policy and this would normally be a
:05:03. > :05:06.rich scene of stories on the BBC and in the media, different minister on
:05:07. > :05:09.everyday talking about the new policy. The in higher vacuum there
:05:10. > :05:14.because all the focus is on these internal matter nations. And also at
:05:15. > :05:18.a time when Britain is reshaping its relationship with the world over the
:05:19. > :05:21.next two or three, or for five years. We don't have a functioning
:05:22. > :05:26.opposition which is challenging the government. Conservative MPs have
:05:27. > :05:30.expressed to me their concern about this, I do feel that they need
:05:31. > :05:35.somebody to offer a decent opposition. Sadiq Khan, again on the
:05:36. > :05:41.same kind of story, about process. Sunday Times, Sadiq Khan, Corbyn
:05:42. > :05:49.purge could kill Labour. The Corbyn mood music is absolutely not of a
:05:50. > :05:52.purge., rows and have a chat. Yes, that it would be strange if the mood
:05:53. > :05:57.music was about a purge. Sadiq Khan is for an away the most credible
:05:58. > :06:00.challenger to Corbyn and positioning himself very skilfully as a
:06:01. > :06:05.potential alternative leader, who has a record of success and could
:06:06. > :06:08.unify to some extent the party. I think that's what this is about, it
:06:09. > :06:14.is Sadiq Khan reminding us that he is in play and he is there. You got
:06:15. > :06:18.more votes than Jeremy Corbyn among the general electorate of London.
:06:19. > :06:24.And he is also a winner which is the key thing. He has shown how to do
:06:25. > :06:27.that and how Labour can do that. Albeit it's a metropolitan area that
:06:28. > :06:31.he has all the recipe for success. He is warning in this piece about
:06:32. > :06:34.the risk of the party 's blessing. This is a plea to the moderates,
:06:35. > :06:39.don't go away, we don't want a repeat of the 1980s and the FTP.
:06:40. > :06:41.This is a plea for unity from a different wing and a more successful
:06:42. > :06:48.point of view than the same messages coming out from... I think it feels
:06:49. > :06:52.very different from the 1980s. Jeremy Corbyn is no Michael foot,
:06:53. > :06:58.for a start. It is a much more fever of media, different electorate. More
:06:59. > :07:02.fundamental differences. I think the chances of success in a multiparty
:07:03. > :07:06.system, which could emerge out of all the various things happening in
:07:07. > :07:10.politics, or more profound. Labour is clearly becoming a protest
:07:11. > :07:15.movement of the left in the way it has changed in the last 1.5 years.
:07:16. > :07:18.There is a role for a body of centre-left social Democrats,
:07:19. > :07:26.possibly even sharpening -- possibly chant beginning...
:07:27. > :07:31.This is the view of Mr Corbyn's supporters, if they stop whingeing
:07:32. > :07:34.and complaining, some of the policies being developed in the
:07:35. > :07:41.party would get more air time on programmes like this. That might
:07:42. > :07:44.happen but despite -- despite this talk of unity, what does MPs will
:07:45. > :07:47.want to see if they're practising what they preach and an end to what
:07:48. > :07:52.has been the bullying and imitation across social media. The leadership
:07:53. > :07:56.will make more noise on that but Labour MPs have had to have their
:07:57. > :08:00.locks changed as security alarms installed because of this and
:08:01. > :08:04.anti-Semitic anger from people who have supported the Corbyn. Until
:08:05. > :08:07.they see the leadership living up to what it's talking about, they will
:08:08. > :08:12.be very sceptical not only about the bullying but also the threats of
:08:13. > :08:20.what they see as deselection. There are a serious differences because
:08:21. > :08:23.there is the issue. Jeremy Corbyn is very open to things like immigration
:08:24. > :08:28.of refugees, supports to refugees but you are seeing a lot of Labour
:08:29. > :08:31.MPs becoming, echoing the Little England rhetoric of Ukip is talking
:08:32. > :08:35.about trying to end free movement and stop free movement and things
:08:36. > :08:42.like that. There are real differences there. It has to resolve
:08:43. > :08:47.who it is speaking to, the Metropolitan people in Liverpool,
:08:48. > :08:51.London, Bristol, or is it speaking to the disengaged as disenchanted
:08:52. > :08:55.electorate, voters in places like Rochdale at Bolton and Sunderland?
:08:56. > :09:01.They say revenge is a dish best served cold or better served up on
:09:02. > :09:04.the mail on Sunday. How to read at repeated
:09:05. > :09:14.And expose the book lifts lid on murder of betrayal over Brexit.
:09:15. > :09:19.Boris said Lee would lose. On the inside, Boris will be crushed like a
:09:20. > :09:25.toad. He seems to come out of this worse than anybody. Boris Johnson.
:09:26. > :09:30.I'm not sure. I think what you see here is the anger that still
:09:31. > :09:34.remains, the desire of some angry with what happens to them, with
:09:35. > :09:38.Theresa May's machinations with people like Michael Gove, Boris
:09:39. > :09:43.Johnson will stop this is then getting in quickly with their
:09:44. > :09:47.version of history. Clearly, when you read the detail here, the anger
:09:48. > :09:50.towards Michael Gove is extraordinary. The anger towards
:09:51. > :09:56.Boris Johnson is in a way more than pathetic. He seems all over the
:09:57. > :10:01.place at Carnegie 's mind up. Years the Foreign Secretary. We have wars
:10:02. > :10:06.in Syria, and the potential of a trump presidency. He can't make up
:10:07. > :10:11.his mind on the biggest issue of the day. Changes in mind and then joins
:10:12. > :10:16.the campaign he says he hopes will lose. It is depressing. I am no fan
:10:17. > :10:20.of Boris and I think ye of the ludicrous choice to be Foreign
:10:21. > :10:23.Secretary. He is a ludicrous figure in many ways. What you are seeing
:10:24. > :10:26.here is the anger of the race towards Theresa May as well for the
:10:27. > :10:33.way she played the whole Brexit debates. A cholera submarine because
:10:34. > :10:38.she kept below the surface, kept refusing to contribute and come out.
:10:39. > :10:40.Eventually, according to this book, Cameron got so fed up that he
:10:41. > :10:44.basically lost his temper as told to come out and say something and she
:10:45. > :10:49.reluctantly did. We know that she got rid of my she cleared out all of
:10:50. > :10:54.the Cameroonians from governments. What you were beginning to see is
:10:55. > :10:58.the warring that may emerge and continue to destabilise a party with
:10:59. > :11:01.a very slim majority for some time. To me it feels were anally like what
:11:02. > :11:06.happens with the Blairite Father Brown nights. Whereby the Blairites
:11:07. > :11:12.just never gave up and their campaign of attrition. It is a great
:11:13. > :11:16.story. And will be pages more about it next week. One of the most
:11:17. > :11:22.fascinating things is the swift anger of the Cameroonians against
:11:23. > :11:29.Theresa May. A bit like all politicians of all colours, she was
:11:30. > :11:35.as -- has gone on a walking holiday with her husband. Let's move on to
:11:36. > :11:44.the Sunday Telegraph. Blair demands an end to army which aren't. This is
:11:45. > :11:47.about alleged abuses. I have a slight problem with anything with
:11:48. > :11:51.the word liar in the middle of it. It's hard to take seriously. His
:11:52. > :11:57.desire to wheedle his way back into popularity. He is in typical fashion
:11:58. > :12:00.jumping on the bandwagon. Have been a lot of stories all week in the
:12:01. > :12:07.Daily Mail adds to a lesser extent the Telegraph, on these abuses and
:12:08. > :12:11.the legal claims against the Army. This is Blair basically jumping on
:12:12. > :12:16.the bandwagon and saying, I am with you, lads. There are a lot of
:12:17. > :12:19.unresolved issues. This is a very sensitive issue. We send people to
:12:20. > :12:25.do business abroad which involves violence, and then some people feel
:12:26. > :12:29.these people have been let down. Whatever you think of the politics
:12:30. > :12:34.behind it, these are people that are doing something in our name. That's
:12:35. > :12:37.right. I think the problem is that you will have a situation where you
:12:38. > :12:43.get no want to sign up for the military, if they think every time
:12:44. > :12:45.they face public prosecutions. War crimes should always be taken
:12:46. > :12:51.seriously, but the theory is that many of these are contested, but
:12:52. > :12:56.there is now a big industry in taking these people through the
:12:57. > :12:58.courts. Tony Blair .org in terms of saying, I don't think this process
:12:59. > :13:02.should ever have been put in place and I'm sorry that soldiers and
:13:03. > :13:05.families have been through through this ordeal. It's important to
:13:06. > :13:08.remember that he does have a vested interest because there are many out
:13:09. > :13:13.there that would like to see him prosecuted. In some ways, I'm sure
:13:14. > :13:17.he is doing what he believes that there will be an element of him
:13:18. > :13:19.thinking, if people start successfully prosecuting soldiers
:13:20. > :13:25.and commanders, how long is it before I get a knock on the door?
:13:26. > :13:29.That move onto the American election, which you cover tomorrow
:13:30. > :13:36.night in the big debates. How to deal with Donald Trump is the Sunday
:13:37. > :13:44.Times's take on this. It must be very difficult, how can Hillary
:13:45. > :13:48.prepare for a debate like this? Is political theatre at its greatest. A
:13:49. > :13:51.terrible candidate to many people question why she is the best person
:13:52. > :13:57.to represent the Democrats, against a character, a maverick character
:13:58. > :14:01.like Donald Trump, he was managed to upset the many people in the past.
:14:02. > :14:04.The two of them go head-to-head for 90 minutes. The first of three
:14:05. > :14:10.debates. They think 300 million people will watch it. More than the
:14:11. > :14:15.Super Bowl! And is probably more entertaining. Both of them, both of
:14:16. > :14:20.the protagonists are people that make mistakes and debates. It will
:14:21. > :14:23.be riveting to watch. It could be win or lose. This could be the
:14:24. > :14:29.moment one emerges as the person that is going to win. Very much so.
:14:30. > :14:33.America shares this be borrow nature of politics where anything can
:14:34. > :14:37.happen, any mistake could cost than in the whole contest. And purples
:14:38. > :14:41.are probably as reliable as we have seen our polls recently. In reality,
:14:42. > :14:45.we probably have no idea what's going to happen and it's very hard
:14:46. > :14:50.to judge. America is even more fractured than we are. Is impossible
:14:51. > :14:54.to predict what will happen. I have had people from both sides of the
:14:55. > :14:58.debate, but is politicians, who has said Trump has got it in the bag.
:14:59. > :15:03.Other people say Clinton has in the bag. Goodness knows what will
:15:04. > :15:08.happen. Let's move on to a little bit of light relief. Stirchley come
:15:09. > :15:15.dancing. Ed thinks straight to the Boston with his... He turned out to
:15:16. > :15:21.lack predatory instincts. I don't know whether you saw the programme,
:15:22. > :15:26.but Ed Balls is breaking that might at least he is brave enough to have
:15:27. > :15:34.a go! I was hoping you wouldn't ask me. He is one of those politicians
:15:35. > :15:38.which, someone has a different public image to his private image.
:15:39. > :15:43.He has a rather unpopular public image but privately is a very
:15:44. > :15:47.different character. Is a very likeable character. The hope is that
:15:48. > :15:54.people can see he is a more rounded, nice character. Rounded might be the
:15:55. > :16:00.wrong word! You looks like he's losing weight. You would if you were
:16:01. > :16:07.doing this. He did very badly, really, and the judge said it was
:16:08. > :16:11.very pedestrian, darling. I think they would have given him about five
:16:12. > :16:18.or six points. He may not win it but he has the scope to achieve a lot.
:16:19. > :16:22.Can you see a career in this? Not really! It's part of his political
:16:23. > :16:25.rehabilitation. It seems to be working so far. And he was launching
:16:26. > :16:31.his books, he said to the audience that he got those sorry for his
:16:32. > :16:41.dance partner. He said I had never seen anything that false. I feel
:16:42. > :16:45.sorry for her. She is doing a good job. The British people like him, we
:16:46. > :16:47.like people who drive. Just a reminder we take a look
:16:48. > :16:51.at tomorrow s front pages every Time for a look at the
:16:52. > :17:11.weather with Phil Avery. I will start by showing you a couple
:17:12. > :17:18.of weather watcher pictures which came in earlier on. There was a
:17:19. > :17:21.chance of Sunrise further east but notice that grey shield of cloud
:17:22. > :17:22.over the top of that C. It was obviously thick enough